FA to discuss new league for Premier League B teams placed between League 2 and the Conference

Luke Shaw

Luke Shaw

First published in Sport

A new competition for B teams for the leading Premier League and Championship clubs is to be considered by the Football Association board tomorrow - but there is already considerable opposition from the clubs.

The plan, part of FA chairman Greg Dyke's commission aimed at boosting the number of young English players at the top of club football, would see the new division placed between League Two and the Conference.

Other proposals would see the number of home-grown players required in league clubs' 25-man squads increased from the current minimum of eight, and a shake-up of the loan system.

The B-team plan would involve the 24 clubs with a top-rated academy but there are concerns in the professional game that it would disrupt the traditional pyramid which allows clubs to be promoted and relegated through the divisions.

Conference and League Two clubs, for example, would be strongly oppose well-resourced under-21 sides from wealthy Premier League clubs competing with them for league places.

Premier League clubs are understood to have serious reservations, as do many in the Football League and Conference.

There is also a feeling that there is a breakthrough taking place with young English players, with the likes of Saints trio Adam Lallana, Jay Rodriguez and Luke Shaw, plus Raheem Sterling and Ross Barkley, promising a bright future for the national side.

Clubs in countries such as Spain and Germany do have B sides playing in lower divisions - Real Madrid and Barcelona both do, for example, but they do not have the same historic and structured pyramid as English football.

Alan Algar, sponsorship manager for Conference sponsors Skrill, said the plan was "disgraceful".

He said: "I think it's a disgraceful proposal because it makes it very difficult for non-league clubs to feel part of the football pyramid," he said.

"People all over the world look towards England and are envious of our pyramid and the way things work here. To insert a number of teams that aren't competitive and won't have a fan base just makes it very difficult."

Football League chairman Greg Clarke is a member of Dyke's commission but said in September the body was not in favour of feeder or B clubs.

He said: "The Football League is not keen to have feeder clubs. If you look at leagues which do have them, you tend not to get good attendances.

"We don't like the idea of it and I don't believe it would solve the problem - but we will look at it as nothing is off the table."

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5:47pm Tue 6 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

so we might get to play poopey again then, well our b-team would anyway and that's only if they managed to get back up from non-league football when this league is brought in!

WTFILN!
so we might get to play poopey again then, well our b-team would anyway and that's only if they managed to get back up from non-league football when this league is brought in! WTFILN! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Tue 6 May 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Great idea!
Great idea! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -4

6:31pm Tue 6 May 14

SaintinCanada says...

I prefer the old days of the Football Combination. Why not just bring that back?
I prefer the old days of the Football Combination. Why not just bring that back? SaintinCanada
  • Score: 10

6:45pm Tue 6 May 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so we might get to play poopey again then, well our b-team would anyway and that's only if they managed to get back up from non-league football when this league is brought in!

WTFILN!
I think this is a great idea. The teams should be placed between league two and league one. Obviously our up and coming super stars really wouldn't want to be associated with league two sides who clearly aren't good enough to give them a game. But I suppose it might be a good incentive to them to work hard as it would make them realise what lies around the corner if they fail to make it to the top. Then again perhaps we could just show them photos of Nottarf instead.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: so we might get to play poopey again then, well our b-team would anyway and that's only if they managed to get back up from non-league football when this league is brought in! WTFILN![/p][/quote]I think this is a great idea. The teams should be placed between league two and league one. Obviously our up and coming super stars really wouldn't want to be associated with league two sides who clearly aren't good enough to give them a game. But I suppose it might be a good incentive to them to work hard as it would make them realise what lies around the corner if they fail to make it to the top. Then again perhaps we could just show them photos of Nottarf instead. Clever Dick
  • Score: -7

6:48pm Tue 6 May 14

milton road says...

Totally agree the Combination league was good for teams, giving young players a regular run out and helping injured players get back to match fitness and give those on th fringes of the bench a chanse to get regular competive football
Totally agree the Combination league was good for teams, giving young players a regular run out and helping injured players get back to match fitness and give those on th fringes of the bench a chanse to get regular competive football milton road
  • Score: 6

7:18pm Tue 6 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress.
I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Tue 6 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Crickey! Does that mean we are gonna have to buy 2 season tickets?
Crickey! Does that mean we are gonna have to buy 2 season tickets? Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Tue 6 May 14

bluewhiteandred says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress.
I would encourage all fans in leagues inc championship 1 and 2 also the conference to boycott all B teams

So does mean man utd s B team can get promoted to premier while all div 1 and 2 end up in the conference and below what a joke football stinks now as soon as more fan owned clubs appear we can get rid of these greedy owners and idiotic leagues and start up our own !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress.[/p][/quote]I would encourage all fans in leagues inc championship 1 and 2 also the conference to boycott all B teams So does mean man utd s B team can get promoted to premier while all div 1 and 2 end up in the conference and below what a joke football stinks now as soon as more fan owned clubs appear we can get rid of these greedy owners and idiotic leagues and start up our own ! bluewhiteandred
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Tue 6 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Hee hee. You don't need this league to be introduced to end in the conference. You're doing a pretty good job of getting there without it. You only think that football stinks cos you watch your games at Nottarf, and everybody knows that stinks. There must be plenty of footie fans who agree with you though. All they need to do is to take a look at Poopey and they will all want to follow your example I'm sure. LMFAO.
Hee hee. You don't need this league to be introduced to end in the conference. You're doing a pretty good job of getting there without it. You only think that football stinks cos you watch your games at Nottarf, and everybody knows that stinks. There must be plenty of footie fans who agree with you though. All they need to do is to take a look at Poopey and they will all want to follow your example I'm sure. LMFAO. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Tue 6 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress.
I would encourage all fans in leagues inc championship 1 and 2 also the conference to boycott all B teams

So does mean man utd s B team can get promoted to premier while all div 1 and 2 end up in the conference and below what a joke football stinks now as soon as more fan owned clubs appear we can get rid of these greedy owners and idiotic leagues and start up our own !
we all know you love to do your research blue, but this one is in the story for you!
"People all over the world look towards England and are envious of our pyramid and the way things work here. To insert a number of teams that aren't competitive and won't have a fan base just makes it very difficult."

the prem and champ teams wouldn't be `competitive` so know promotions or relegations for them!
it a stupid idea anyway, how are you going to make the kids of the future better by making them play against the dross that your club puts out? luke has become a world class player by playing with and against other world class players week in week out. he wouldn't have progressed so quickly if he had been up against L2/non-league players.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would appreciate seeing our "other" players in a competitive environment, it would give you a chance to get acquainted with some of the youngsters just to be able to recognise them as they progress.[/p][/quote]I would encourage all fans in leagues inc championship 1 and 2 also the conference to boycott all B teams So does mean man utd s B team can get promoted to premier while all div 1 and 2 end up in the conference and below what a joke football stinks now as soon as more fan owned clubs appear we can get rid of these greedy owners and idiotic leagues and start up our own ![/p][/quote]we all know you love to do your research blue, but this one is in the story for you! "People all over the world look towards England and are envious of our pyramid and the way things work here. To insert a number of teams that aren't competitive and won't have a fan base just makes it very difficult." the prem and champ teams wouldn't be `competitive` so know promotions or relegations for them! it a stupid idea anyway, how are you going to make the kids of the future better by making them play against the dross that your club puts out? luke has become a world class player by playing with and against other world class players week in week out. he wouldn't have progressed so quickly if he had been up against L2/non-league players. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

4:11am Wed 7 May 14

andoru says...

Don't like it. Southampton's focus on youth development is what makes us special. If everyone has decent youth academies, we won't get any attention. Everyone loves us for being THE team with young English players. It's our job now, and our job alone, to produce the next England team.
Don't like it. Southampton's focus on youth development is what makes us special. If everyone has decent youth academies, we won't get any attention. Everyone loves us for being THE team with young English players. It's our job now, and our job alone, to produce the next England team. andoru
  • Score: 2

6:43am Wed 7 May 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

Now the Premiership want to destroy the pyramid as well? Just bring back the football combination and youth leagues.
Now the Premiership want to destroy the pyramid as well? Just bring back the football combination and youth leagues. MisterGrimsdale
  • Score: 5

8:16am Wed 7 May 14

saint christopher says...

As many have pointed out you will totally undermine our League football pyramid unless you create a seperate league purely for PL "B" teams along the lines of the old Combination system.

However, the irony is that this won't atomatically make these players better bcause they'll simply be playing against thir peers, albeit in a more competetive environment.

And it wouldn't be necessary at all if PL clubs followed Saint's lead, and rather than be focussed on buying fully-fledged players (at other clubs expense) had the cofidence to blood their own youngsters as we are prepared to do.

At the end of the day your Luke Shaws become PL and even World class players by playing against such players - not by playing matches against youngsters who are deemed by their clubs to not be good enough to play in their first teams.
As many have pointed out you will totally undermine our League football pyramid unless you create a seperate league purely for PL "B" teams along the lines of the old Combination system. However, the irony is that this won't atomatically make these players better bcause they'll simply be playing against thir peers, albeit in a more competetive environment. And it wouldn't be necessary at all if PL clubs followed Saint's lead, and rather than be focussed on buying fully-fledged players (at other clubs expense) had the cofidence to blood their own youngsters as we are prepared to do. At the end of the day your Luke Shaws become PL and even World class players by playing against such players - not by playing matches against youngsters who are deemed by their clubs to not be good enough to play in their first teams. saint christopher
  • Score: 5

6:40pm Wed 7 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

The 'Reserves' used to play in a Football Combination league until they stopped it so why not just bring it back ?
The 'Reserves' used to play in a Football Combination league until they stopped it so why not just bring it back ? NC Fan4Life
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