Nicola Cortese: I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Mary's

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NICOLA Cortese has claimed that Saints would not be in danger of selling their prize assets if he was still at St Mary's.

There is currently continued speculation that Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana will leave this summer, after Saints received bids fo £27m and £20m for their services from Manchester United and Liverpool respectively.

Former executive chairman Cortese, who quit his role in January, believes there would be no such fears had he stayed.

“I knew the players themselves wanted to stick together because this vision was something they believed in, too," he said.
"We created those talents. It was key to keep them.

"You don't produce them just to sell, otherwise you give away your ambition."

Cortese, installed as chairman after Markus Liebherr completed his takeover in July 2009, said he didn't 'see any reason for them (the players) to go.

"I can tell you that I didn't have that fear to the last day I was at the club," he said.

"I was confident about plenty of conversations I had with the players. I knew the players themselves wanted to stick together because this vision was something they believed in, too.

"I didn't see any reason for them to go.

"I didn't have written offers, but I obviously had phone calls.

"My answer was that it was not going to happen for at least the next two seasons.

"The other chairmen respected that. Until the day I left, there were no offers."

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8:16am Wed 21 May 14

richard903 says...

Thank you for the work you did Nicola, but you left! so we are in a press invented mess,you say if you had stayed we would not be in this mess so perhaps its your fault we are in a mess?
Thank you for the work you did Nicola, but you left! so we are in a press invented mess,you say if you had stayed we would not be in this mess so perhaps its your fault we are in a mess? richard903
  • Score: 18

8:17am Wed 21 May 14

andoru says...

Yeah, I read it on the BBC. Could have just posted a link.
Yeah, I read it on the BBC. Could have just posted a link. andoru
  • Score: 3

8:21am Wed 21 May 14

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

I wish he was still at the club. He certainly didn't take any sh*t and I felt confident that our players were in it for the long haul with him at the helm, I'm not so sure now.
I wish he was still at the club. He certainly didn't take any sh*t and I felt confident that our players were in it for the long haul with him at the helm, I'm not so sure now. Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
  • Score: 35

8:27am Wed 21 May 14

Sainty saint saint says...

It's pretty **** easy to say "it wouldn't happen if I was in charge" if there's absolutely no chance that you will be in the situation!

Look:

It categorically wouldn't happen if I was in charge either.

There you go.
It's pretty **** easy to say "it wouldn't happen if I was in charge" if there's absolutely no chance that you will be in the situation! Look: It categorically wouldn't happen if I was in charge either. There you go. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 33

8:27am Wed 21 May 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Apparently you could have stayed Mr Cortese but as the saying goes' He who pays the piper calls the tune' and by all accounts you didn't like the tune!
Apparently you could have stayed Mr Cortese but as the saying goes' He who pays the piper calls the tune' and by all accounts you didn't like the tune! Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 16

8:30am Wed 21 May 14

Terry_Nutkins says...

WOW!! The Echo really are cheeky these days. Other than the generally poor quality, lazy journalism and proclivity for pinching articles from fan forums, there is a constant negative Saints intonation to most articles.

Also, I am fairly sure when you plagiarise an article, you are meant to at least quote the source as a matter of professional courtesy.

For all those that didn't read the original BBC report, here is the link for the source material from which this article is based:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
492019
WOW!! The Echo really are cheeky these days. Other than the generally poor quality, lazy journalism and proclivity for pinching articles from fan forums, there is a constant negative Saints intonation to most articles. Also, I am fairly sure when you plagiarise an article, you are meant to at least quote the source as a matter of professional courtesy. For all those that didn't read the original BBC report, here is the link for the source material from which this article is based: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 492019 Terry_Nutkins
  • Score: 16

8:35am Wed 21 May 14

Little Hitler says...

I've been accused of plagiarism before (their word, not mine).
I've been accused of plagiarism before (their word, not mine). Little Hitler
  • Score: 9

8:36am Wed 21 May 14

george chivers says...

A little piece of mischief from NC. Not very helpful really. I appreciate what he did for us, he was brilliant, but this is pure politics. Having a "Pop" after he's gone, KL should have made him sign a non disclosure agreement and gagging order when he left.

Shows him up in a bad light and is harmful to the club and the supporters.
A little piece of mischief from NC. Not very helpful really. I appreciate what he did for us, he was brilliant, but this is pure politics. Having a "Pop" after he's gone, KL should have made him sign a non disclosure agreement and gagging order when he left. Shows him up in a bad light and is harmful to the club and the supporters. george chivers
  • Score: 0

8:38am Wed 21 May 14

lindfieldsaint says...

Different times when NC was at St Mary's. Of course, when we in League 1 and the Championship, Adam, Rickie, Morgan were all together as we were on an an exciting upwards journey. Interest was shown from clubs but not from clubs who could offer Champions League football and treble the wages.
When clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc come calling it's difficult to keep players. NC wasn't able to keep Oxlade-Chamberlain - he is just mischief making.
Different times when NC was at St Mary's. Of course, when we in League 1 and the Championship, Adam, Rickie, Morgan were all together as we were on an an exciting upwards journey. Interest was shown from clubs but not from clubs who could offer Champions League football and treble the wages. When clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc come calling it's difficult to keep players. NC wasn't able to keep Oxlade-Chamberlain - he is just mischief making. lindfieldsaint
  • Score: 14

8:45am Wed 21 May 14

Little Hitler says...

I personally think he could have been a lot more controversial than he came across. Nothing too bad there!
I personally think he could have been a lot more controversial than he came across. Nothing too bad there! Little Hitler
  • Score: 18

8:50am Wed 21 May 14

thehoggsback says...

He's only stating the blatantly obvious its madness to sell your players now its far easier to invest because you have to every season on a couple of good signings to get champions league,we don't have a replacement for Luke Shaw so we'll have to buy one, then let the exodus begin, if that's the case i hope not ,it becomes a bit spineless.
He's only stating the blatantly obvious its madness to sell your players now its far easier to invest because you have to every season on a couple of good signings to get champions league,we don't have a replacement for Luke Shaw so we'll have to buy one, then let the exodus begin, if that's the case i hope not ,it becomes a bit spineless. thehoggsback
  • Score: 3

8:50am Wed 21 May 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

I hope that Nicola is not trying to undermine the club.
Unless Nicola Cortese intends to be in a takeover of the club then everything that he says means nothing.
Like it or not, that bus has moved on and we are in a new era.
Cortese was ruthless but certainly driven and what a ride we had with him at the helm.
We are now at a crossroads and many have noted, this is where our new management are to be counted.
2 changes to the training staff tells me, this is now their opening gambit to take the club to the next level.
Our academy is Saints future, so that is where they have started.
Dolly steps is what we need now, to move on with our limited income compared to the top 6.
I know our players are eager to play in europe and naturally they will want to move if this doesn't happen,patients and realism has to be applied.
Saints have moved from minus 10 points in Div 1 to record number of points,and 8 position in the Prem, in 5 consecutive seasons.
Unparalleled success in such a short time.
I like many of us am concerned about our future in the Prem but not anywhere near the worry I would if we were still in Div 1.
COYS
I hope that Nicola is not trying to undermine the club. Unless Nicola Cortese intends to be in a takeover of the club then everything that he says means nothing. Like it or not, that bus has moved on and we are in a new era. Cortese was ruthless but certainly driven and what a ride we had with him at the helm. We are now at a crossroads and many have noted, this is where our new management are to be counted. 2 changes to the training staff tells me, this is now their opening gambit to take the club to the next level. Our academy is Saints future, so that is where they have started. Dolly steps is what we need now, to move on with our limited income compared to the top 6. I know our players are eager to play in europe and naturally they will want to move if this doesn't happen,patients and realism has to be applied. Saints have moved from minus 10 points in Div 1 to record number of points,and 8 position in the Prem, in 5 consecutive seasons. Unparalleled success in such a short time. I like many of us am concerned about our future in the Prem but not anywhere near the worry I would if we were still in Div 1. COYS SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 14

9:00am Wed 21 May 14

prawn89 says...

Mr Cortese was ruthless, apparently dictatorial and a reported nightmare to work under - but I would give anything to have him back at our club right now!

The sight of him ripping up bids in front of players speaks volumes - you are not leaving because we're not done yet.

Some of the 'realistic' fans on Twitter this morning are really doing my head in. Apparently we should be happy with 8th and accept that we can't go further - RUBBISH!

How close were we this season? How many points did we squander from winning positions? Our young players (inc Lallana) will only improve and IF WE KEEP THEM TOGETHER and spend a similar amount to last season then we have a chance of Europe... Just because our wages are low it doesn't mean that 8th is our ceiling!

What if the Dani move worked? What if we didn't have injuries over xmas? We are so close to breaking into the top 6 - and doing something that is so rare in the greatest league and most popular sport in the world - really disappointed to see a lack of ambition from our fans and inaction from our board!

Yes, Shaw has gone (from what I've heard) and that's a shame - but that's £30M to spend - add that to a similar budget to last year and that's plenty to recruit those couple we could have done with last year.

Tell the players that we're going for it, tell the other clubs that you can't have them just because we are 'overachieving' and tell the media that their conservative agenda against Saints is pathetic and find the leaks inside the club and fire them!

- sounds exactly like what Cortese would have done!
Mr Cortese was ruthless, apparently dictatorial and a reported nightmare to work under - but I would give anything to have him back at our club right now! The sight of him ripping up bids in front of players speaks volumes - you are not leaving because we're not done yet. Some of the 'realistic' fans on Twitter this morning are really doing my head in. Apparently we should be happy with 8th and accept that we can't go further - RUBBISH! How close were we this season? How many points did we squander from winning positions? Our young players (inc Lallana) will only improve and IF WE KEEP THEM TOGETHER and spend a similar amount to last season then we have a chance of Europe... Just because our wages are low it doesn't mean that 8th is our ceiling! What if the Dani move worked? What if we didn't have injuries over xmas? We are so close to breaking into the top 6 - and doing something that is so rare in the greatest league and most popular sport in the world - really disappointed to see a lack of ambition from our fans and inaction from our board! Yes, Shaw has gone (from what I've heard) and that's a shame - but that's £30M to spend - add that to a similar budget to last year and that's plenty to recruit those couple we could have done with last year. Tell the players that we're going for it, tell the other clubs that you can't have them just because we are 'overachieving' and tell the media that their conservative agenda against Saints is pathetic and find the leaks inside the club and fire them! - sounds exactly like what Cortese would have done! prawn89
  • Score: 18

9:02am Wed 21 May 14

Saddogitte says...

So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?
So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go? Saddogitte
  • Score: 4

9:05am Wed 21 May 14

costa gaz says...

I am convinced that he has, in some way, manipulated our current plight.

He is probably smirking from ear to ear when he reads the latest speculation surrounding our club. I admit he played a huge part in the resurrection of Saints, but now he seems to be trying to undo everything.

He was extremely well paid for what he did and also well respected by the Leibherr family.... showing his true colours now.
I am convinced that he has, in some way, manipulated our current plight. He is probably smirking from ear to ear when he reads the latest speculation surrounding our club. I admit he played a huge part in the resurrection of Saints, but now he seems to be trying to undo everything. He was extremely well paid for what he did and also well respected by the Leibherr family.... showing his true colours now. costa gaz
  • Score: -5

9:07am Wed 21 May 14

NewForestStu says...

Shame you buzzed off.
Shame you buzzed off. NewForestStu
  • Score: -3

9:10am Wed 21 May 14

andoru says...

Saddogitte wrote:
So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?
Depends, he might have said the same thing every time they called, even a year or two later. Player sales were therefore always "in one or two years".
[quote][p][bold]Saddogitte[/bold] wrote: So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?[/p][/quote]Depends, he might have said the same thing every time they called, even a year or two later. Player sales were therefore always "in one or two years". andoru
  • Score: 0

9:15am Wed 21 May 14

damoose says...

The fact is NC has seen first hand ,the lady in question ,put her hands to other business adventures inside the Mali and seen her blow them up..constant boardroom reshuffling.company line managers dismissed without integrity.which breeds unrest through the whole company...sadly NC has seen this all before and now he has to watch his baby being stripped apart......

I was even more worried to see her with Kreuger wearing matching scarfs,it was so Vincent Tam-like it scared the crap out of me....at the start of this season everybody in football was praising our academy and all those behind the scenes..how we are such a well run club and should be used as a model...well grab ya nuts fellows,this is going to be one hell of a ride
The fact is NC has seen first hand ,the lady in question ,put her hands to other business adventures inside the Mali and seen her blow them up..constant boardroom reshuffling.company line managers dismissed[Dodd Willo] without integrity.which breeds unrest through the whole company...sadly NC has seen this all before and now he has to watch his baby being stripped apart...... I was even more worried to see her with Kreuger wearing matching scarfs,it was so Vincent Tam-like it scared the crap out of me....at the start of this season everybody in football was praising our academy and all those behind the scenes..how we are such a well run club and should be used as a model...well grab ya nuts fellows,this is going to be one hell of a ride damoose
  • Score: -6

9:23am Wed 21 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Does he seriously think that other chairmen, after the season we have just had, would not be making offers for our best players?

Seriously? Dream on. They are every bit as cut throat as he is, and would be piling in for any player they wanted, just as they are now. Allegedly.
Does he seriously think that other chairmen, after the season we have just had, would not be making offers for our best players? Seriously? Dream on. They are every bit as cut throat as he is, and would be piling in for any player they wanted, just as they are now. Allegedly. Costa Baz
  • Score: 5

9:24am Wed 21 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I love Nicola for what he did for us but it wasn’t all one way traffic. He saved us but, in return, we gave him the absolute time of his life. He must have been like a kid playing Football Manager who took a big pot of someone else’s money and got to go across Europe signing big names and playing the cocky young gunslinger in town. I bet he absolutely loved it. However, as soon as he was asked to act like a grown up by working in a team, balancing the books, making compromises and being accountable to someone – ie the sort of stuff all of us have to put up with every single day – he was off. If he really, really cared and wanted to see his ‘baby’ through he’d have swallowed his pride and learned to live with the new structure. We could have used him.

As it is, someone else has to see his work through and, lest we forget, they’ve not sold anyone yet. It’s very much game on from where I’m sitting.
I love Nicola for what he did for us but it wasn’t all one way traffic. He saved us but, in return, we gave him the absolute time of his life. He must have been like a kid playing Football Manager who took a big pot of someone else’s money and got to go across Europe signing big names and playing the cocky young gunslinger in town. I bet he absolutely loved it. However, as soon as he was asked to act like a grown up by working in a team, balancing the books, making compromises and being accountable to someone – ie the sort of stuff all of us have to put up with every single day – he was off. If he really, really cared and wanted to see his ‘baby’ through he’d have swallowed his pride and learned to live with the new structure. We could have used him. As it is, someone else has to see his work through and, lest we forget, they’ve not sold anyone yet. It’s very much game on from where I’m sitting. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 16

9:24am Wed 21 May 14

hedge end bob says...

This would'nt have happen if we kept Dave Jones , this would'nt have hppened if we had kept Wee Gordon. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

If i had been given a HUGE CHICKEN , i would of been a top of the bill **** star. Did'nt happen , just like his sh!t printed by the DAILY ECHO.

Hang it on the nail in the outside bog.
This would'nt have happen if we kept Dave Jones , this would'nt have hppened if we had kept Wee Gordon. BLAH BLAH BLAH. If i had been given a HUGE CHICKEN , i would of been a top of the bill **** star. Did'nt happen , just like his sh!t printed by the DAILY ECHO. Hang it on the nail in the outside bog. hedge end bob
  • Score: -2

9:34am Wed 21 May 14

Sammy2sheds says...

If me auntie had **** she'd be me uncle
If me auntie had **** she'd be me uncle Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -2

9:46am Wed 21 May 14

StElsass says...

I know the feeling, Nicola.
Had I stayed on my first job all those years ago, that insurance company would be the best insurance company in the world now. Or maybe not.
Thing is, we'll never know, will we? So it's perhaps better just to move on...
I know the feeling, Nicola. Had I stayed on my first job all those years ago, that insurance company would be the best insurance company in the world now. Or maybe not. Thing is, we'll never know, will we? So it's perhaps better just to move on... StElsass
  • Score: 5

9:50am Wed 21 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Saddogitte wrote:
So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?
It's football reality mate. As contracts reduce in time so does the expected transfer fee. With just two years left on a contract a player is still worth lots. With just one year he could be tempted to run it down completely and move on on a free transfer, thus commanding larger wages. That's why clubs try to extend contracts when there is still plenty of time before it expires. It's also why NC signed them up for five years. As a few players have recently said :- They might like to get a move but it is down to the club.
[quote][p][bold]Saddogitte[/bold] wrote: So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?[/p][/quote]It's football reality mate. As contracts reduce in time so does the expected transfer fee. With just two years left on a contract a player is still worth lots. With just one year he could be tempted to run it down completely and move on on a free transfer, thus commanding larger wages. That's why clubs try to extend contracts when there is still plenty of time before it expires. It's also why NC signed them up for five years. As a few players have recently said :- They might like to get a move but it is down to the club. Clever Dick
  • Score: -2

9:51am Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The new regime came in and promised "clarity and information", can't wait for it to start, then I would be happier to express my opinion.
The new regime came in and promised "clarity and information", can't wait for it to start, then I would be happier to express my opinion. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

9:53am Wed 21 May 14

Jesus_02 says...

costa gaz wrote:
I am convinced that he has, in some way, manipulated our current plight. He is probably smirking from ear to ear when he reads the latest speculation surrounding our club. I admit he played a huge part in the resurrection of Saints, but now he seems to be trying to undo everything. He was extremely well paid for what he did and also well respected by the Leibherr family.... showing his true colours now.
Have you even read the BBC article? I am sure that he has money to make and things to do other than destroy Saints.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: I am convinced that he has, in some way, manipulated our current plight. He is probably smirking from ear to ear when he reads the latest speculation surrounding our club. I admit he played a huge part in the resurrection of Saints, but now he seems to be trying to undo everything. He was extremely well paid for what he did and also well respected by the Leibherr family.... showing his true colours now.[/p][/quote]Have you even read the BBC article? I am sure that he has money to make and things to do other than destroy Saints. Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

10:02am Wed 21 May 14

Public Health says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Saddogitte wrote:
So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?
It's football reality mate. As contracts reduce in time so does the expected transfer fee. With just two years left on a contract a player is still worth lots. With just one year he could be tempted to run it down completely and move on on a free transfer, thus commanding larger wages. That's why clubs try to extend contracts when there is still plenty of time before it expires. It's also why NC signed them up for five years. As a few players have recently said :- They might like to get a move but it is down to the club.
We have to accept players leave, and remember that we have also bought players from other clubs- Burnley and Palace for Jay and Clyne respectively, for example, and no doubt their fans were upset. Even Arsenal and ManU lose players to "bigger" clubs. I would love our club to be like Barcelona- owned by the fans and with a huge support base around the world because of the way they play. We play the best football in the premier league, and have had the best season i can remember and all the interest in our players and managers reflects that.

The main point, i believe, is that we keep continuity in the way we play from the academy to the first team, and we keep stability in the management- so in my humble opinion, keeping MoPo and our style and ethos are the most important things.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saddogitte[/bold] wrote: So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?[/p][/quote]It's football reality mate. As contracts reduce in time so does the expected transfer fee. With just two years left on a contract a player is still worth lots. With just one year he could be tempted to run it down completely and move on on a free transfer, thus commanding larger wages. That's why clubs try to extend contracts when there is still plenty of time before it expires. It's also why NC signed them up for five years. As a few players have recently said :- They might like to get a move but it is down to the club.[/p][/quote]We have to accept players leave, and remember that we have also bought players from other clubs- Burnley and Palace for Jay and Clyne respectively, for example, and no doubt their fans were upset. Even Arsenal and ManU lose players to "bigger" clubs. I would love our club to be like Barcelona- owned by the fans and with a huge support base around the world because of the way they play. We play the best football in the premier league, and have had the best season i can remember and all the interest in our players and managers reflects that. The main point, i believe, is that we keep continuity in the way we play from the academy to the first team, and we keep stability in the management- so in my humble opinion, keeping MoPo and our style and ethos are the most important things. Public Health
  • Score: 5

10:05am Wed 21 May 14

Jesus_02 says...

I am always amazed how many people have only read the headline before commenting on these articles!

The headline is awful, it could be seen as misrepresentation, and if you go as far as reading the BBC article he makes particular effort not to comment on what would have happened if “had I stayed at St Mary's”.

Basically he says that he had no worries that the players wanted to leave while he was there as they wanted to stick together as a group and they all shared the same vision.

While he stops short of actually saying it, he also intimates that MoPo would be making a mistake by leaving saints too early.
I am always amazed how many people have only read the headline before commenting on these articles! The headline is awful, it could be seen as misrepresentation, and if you go as far as reading the BBC article he makes particular effort not to comment on what would have happened if “had I stayed at St Mary's”. Basically he says that he had no worries that the players wanted to leave while he was there as they wanted to stick together as a group and they all shared the same vision. While he stops short of actually saying it, he also intimates that MoPo would be making a mistake by leaving saints too early. Jesus_02
  • Score: 5

10:19am Wed 21 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

So under NC all was rosy in the garden, all the players were happy and content and every other chairman understood not to put bids in?
is this the same NC who sacked managers at the drop of a hat? and is rumoured to have wanted to sack MP, and would have done if the senior players hadn't stepped in?
is this the same NC who was trying to sell SRL before he left?
is this the same NC who spent the clubs money as his own? allegedly paying for taxis to take his kids to school out of club funds? who had the club pay his rent? who had the club in court for non-payment of bills?
NC was great for our club, and was what we needed at the time. however as others have said, times have changed. other clubs/managers would be interested in our players whether he was still here or not! how do we know there have been bids for our players? we don't. how do we know the club haven't turned down bids? we don't. what we do know is that NC isn't here anymore and he left of his own free will, a new board has been put in place and they have said several times that the players aren't for sale.
So under NC all was rosy in the garden, all the players were happy and content and every other chairman understood not to put bids in? is this the same NC who sacked managers at the drop of a hat? and is rumoured to have wanted to sack MP, and would have done if the senior players hadn't stepped in? is this the same NC who was trying to sell SRL before he left? is this the same NC who spent the clubs money as his own? allegedly paying for taxis to take his kids to school out of club funds? who had the club pay his rent? who had the club in court for non-payment of bills? NC was great for our club, and was what we needed at the time. however as others have said, times have changed. other clubs/managers would be interested in our players whether he was still here or not! how do we know there have been bids for our players? we don't. how do we know the club haven't turned down bids? we don't. what we do know is that NC isn't here anymore and he left of his own free will, a new board has been put in place and they have said several times that the players aren't for sale. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 7

10:20am Wed 21 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
I love Nicola for what he did for us but it wasn’t all one way traffic. He saved us but, in return, we gave him the absolute time of his life. He must have been like a kid playing Football Manager who took a big pot of someone else’s money and got to go across Europe signing big names and playing the cocky young gunslinger in town. I bet he absolutely loved it. However, as soon as he was asked to act like a grown up by working in a team, balancing the books, making compromises and being accountable to someone – ie the sort of stuff all of us have to put up with every single day – he was off. If he really, really cared and wanted to see his ‘baby’ through he’d have swallowed his pride and learned to live with the new structure. We could have used him.

As it is, someone else has to see his work through and, lest we forget, they’ve not sold anyone yet. It’s very much game on from where I’m sitting.
Ghengis Khan,Alexander,Napol
eon, all the great dictators have their day,before they eventually crash and burn(sorry Ghengis,you didn't do so bad actually),but what a ride they take you on,in the process.
We've all just been on that ride with Nicola,and now,without him,it seems to have faltered slightly.
But maybe the ride isn't over.Perhaps he hasnt crashed and burned.Maybe he's sitting in his executive armchair at this very minute,stroking the purring white cat on his lap,sharks swimming around in the tank behind him,lights twinkling on the giant map of the world spread out before him,planning his next move on his goal of total domination of the Premier league,and the eventual invasion and capitulation,of Europe.
Who knows?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: I love Nicola for what he did for us but it wasn’t all one way traffic. He saved us but, in return, we gave him the absolute time of his life. He must have been like a kid playing Football Manager who took a big pot of someone else’s money and got to go across Europe signing big names and playing the cocky young gunslinger in town. I bet he absolutely loved it. However, as soon as he was asked to act like a grown up by working in a team, balancing the books, making compromises and being accountable to someone – ie the sort of stuff all of us have to put up with every single day – he was off. If he really, really cared and wanted to see his ‘baby’ through he’d have swallowed his pride and learned to live with the new structure. We could have used him. As it is, someone else has to see his work through and, lest we forget, they’ve not sold anyone yet. It’s very much game on from where I’m sitting.[/p][/quote]Ghengis Khan,Alexander,Napol eon, all the great dictators have their day,before they eventually crash and burn(sorry Ghengis,you didn't do so bad actually),but what a ride they take you on,in the process. We've all just been on that ride with Nicola,and now,without him,it seems to have faltered slightly. But maybe the ride isn't over.Perhaps he hasnt crashed and burned.Maybe he's sitting in his executive armchair at this very minute,stroking the purring white cat on his lap,sharks swimming around in the tank behind him,lights twinkling on the giant map of the world spread out before him,planning his next move on his goal of total domination of the Premier league,and the eventual invasion and capitulation,of Europe. Who knows? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:36am Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe.... Jonny Maths
  • Score: -6

11:02am Wed 21 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 15

11:03am Wed 21 May 14

mc_kni says...

Terry_Nutkins wrote:
WOW!! The Echo really are cheeky these days. Other than the generally poor quality, lazy journalism and proclivity for pinching articles from fan forums, there is a constant negative Saints intonation to most articles.

Also, I am fairly sure when you plagiarise an article, you are meant to at least quote the source as a matter of professional courtesy.

For all those that didn't read the original BBC report, here is the link for the source material from which this article is based:

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/27

492019
Do you have nothing better to do! Not everyone tralls the internet all day looking at articles about Saints!
[quote][p][bold]Terry_Nutkins[/bold] wrote: WOW!! The Echo really are cheeky these days. Other than the generally poor quality, lazy journalism and proclivity for pinching articles from fan forums, there is a constant negative Saints intonation to most articles. Also, I am fairly sure when you plagiarise an article, you are meant to at least quote the source as a matter of professional courtesy. For all those that didn't read the original BBC report, here is the link for the source material from which this article is based: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 492019[/p][/quote]Do you have nothing better to do! Not everyone tralls the internet all day looking at articles about Saints! mc_kni
  • Score: -4

11:04am Wed 21 May 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Wasn't NC going to sanction the transfer of Rickie Lambert to West Ham before he stormed off. That would have been an even bigger mistake than agreeing to buy Dani Osvaldo..
We did great things with NC and I expect us to do great things without him.
COYR
Wasn't NC going to sanction the transfer of Rickie Lambert to West Ham before he stormed off. That would have been an even bigger mistake than agreeing to buy Dani Osvaldo.. We did great things with NC and I expect us to do great things without him. COYR CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 6

11:07am Wed 21 May 14

Stnana says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
So under NC all was rosy in the garden, all the players were happy and content and every other chairman understood not to put bids in?
is this the same NC who sacked managers at the drop of a hat? and is rumoured to have wanted to sack MP, and would have done if the senior players hadn't stepped in?
is this the same NC who was trying to sell SRL before he left?
is this the same NC who spent the clubs money as his own? allegedly paying for taxis to take his kids to school out of club funds? who had the club pay his rent? who had the club in court for non-payment of bills?
NC was great for our club, and was what we needed at the time. however as others have said, times have changed. other clubs/managers would be interested in our players whether he was still here or not! how do we know there have been bids for our players? we don't. how do we know the club haven't turned down bids? we don't. what we do know is that NC isn't here anymore and he left of his own free will, a new board has been put in place and they have said several times that the players aren't for sale.
Agree with everything you've said and would add ,alienating ex players , last years shirt fiasco and then falling out with Adidas ! What was the point in this interview when anyone of us on here could have told him what Cortese would say . As for the players going to see him in December to stop him sacking MP I think it was more likely , if they really did do this, it would have been to persuade him not to sell SRL.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: So under NC all was rosy in the garden, all the players were happy and content and every other chairman understood not to put bids in? is this the same NC who sacked managers at the drop of a hat? and is rumoured to have wanted to sack MP, and would have done if the senior players hadn't stepped in? is this the same NC who was trying to sell SRL before he left? is this the same NC who spent the clubs money as his own? allegedly paying for taxis to take his kids to school out of club funds? who had the club pay his rent? who had the club in court for non-payment of bills? NC was great for our club, and was what we needed at the time. however as others have said, times have changed. other clubs/managers would be interested in our players whether he was still here or not! how do we know there have been bids for our players? we don't. how do we know the club haven't turned down bids? we don't. what we do know is that NC isn't here anymore and he left of his own free will, a new board has been put in place and they have said several times that the players aren't for sale.[/p][/quote]Agree with everything you've said and would add ,alienating ex players , last years shirt fiasco and then falling out with Adidas ! What was the point in this interview when anyone of us on here could have told him what Cortese would say . As for the players going to see him in December to stop him sacking MP I think it was more likely , if they really did do this, it would have been to persuade him not to sell SRL. Stnana
  • Score: 3

11:09am Wed 21 May 14

notaclue says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3% notaclue
  • Score: 6

11:11am Wed 21 May 14

Sadoldgitte says...

prawn89 wrote:
Mr Cortese was ruthless, apparently dictatorial and a reported nightmare to work under - but I would give anything to have him back at our club right now!

The sight of him ripping up bids in front of players speaks volumes - you are not leaving because we're not done yet.

Some of the 'realistic' fans on Twitter this morning are really doing my head in. Apparently we should be happy with 8th and accept that we can't go further - RUBBISH!

How close were we this season? How many points did we squander from winning positions? Our young players (inc Lallana) will only improve and IF WE KEEP THEM TOGETHER and spend a similar amount to last season then we have a chance of Europe... Just because our wages are low it doesn't mean that 8th is our ceiling!

What if the Dani move worked? What if we didn't have injuries over xmas? We are so close to breaking into the top 6 - and doing something that is so rare in the greatest league and most popular sport in the world - really disappointed to see a lack of ambition from our fans and inaction from our board!

Yes, Shaw has gone (from what I've heard) and that's a shame - but that's £30M to spend - add that to a similar budget to last year and that's plenty to recruit those couple we could have done with last year.

Tell the players that we're going for it, tell the other clubs that you can't have them just because we are 'overachieving' and tell the media that their conservative agenda against Saints is pathetic and find the leaks inside the club and fire them!

- sounds exactly like what Cortese would have done!
How can he rip up bids if he didnt receive them in writing? He said that the other Chairmen respected him too much to make written bids and that he only had a few phone calls but no written bids. Wasnt he also in the process of selling Lambert to West Ham at the point he left?
[quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Mr Cortese was ruthless, apparently dictatorial and a reported nightmare to work under - but I would give anything to have him back at our club right now! The sight of him ripping up bids in front of players speaks volumes - you are not leaving because we're not done yet. Some of the 'realistic' fans on Twitter this morning are really doing my head in. Apparently we should be happy with 8th and accept that we can't go further - RUBBISH! How close were we this season? How many points did we squander from winning positions? Our young players (inc Lallana) will only improve and IF WE KEEP THEM TOGETHER and spend a similar amount to last season then we have a chance of Europe... Just because our wages are low it doesn't mean that 8th is our ceiling! What if the Dani move worked? What if we didn't have injuries over xmas? We are so close to breaking into the top 6 - and doing something that is so rare in the greatest league and most popular sport in the world - really disappointed to see a lack of ambition from our fans and inaction from our board! Yes, Shaw has gone (from what I've heard) and that's a shame - but that's £30M to spend - add that to a similar budget to last year and that's plenty to recruit those couple we could have done with last year. Tell the players that we're going for it, tell the other clubs that you can't have them just because we are 'overachieving' and tell the media that their conservative agenda against Saints is pathetic and find the leaks inside the club and fire them! - sounds exactly like what Cortese would have done![/p][/quote]How can he rip up bids if he didnt receive them in writing? He said that the other Chairmen respected him too much to make written bids and that he only had a few phone calls but no written bids. Wasnt he also in the process of selling Lambert to West Ham at the point he left? Sadoldgitte
  • Score: -1

11:17am Wed 21 May 14

Sadoldgitte says...

andoru wrote:
Saddogitte wrote:
So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?
Depends, he might have said the same thing every time they called, even a year or two later. Player sales were therefore always "in one or two years".
Which is not exactly not for sale is it?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saddogitte[/bold] wrote: So he wouldn't have let players go but he would let players go after another two years? Isnt that letting players go?[/p][/quote]Depends, he might have said the same thing every time they called, even a year or two later. Player sales were therefore always "in one or two years".[/p][/quote]Which is not exactly not for sale is it? Sadoldgitte
  • Score: 1

11:35am Wed 21 May 14

notaclue says...

Wasn't he in advanced negotations to sell Lambert to West Ham?

We would have been stuffed without himfor sure!
Wasn't he in advanced negotations to sell Lambert to West Ham? We would have been stuffed without himfor sure! notaclue
  • Score: 2

11:41am Wed 21 May 14

Outside of the Box says...

And in other news: The Skates are still 5hite
And in other news: The Skates are still 5hite Outside of the Box
  • Score: 4

11:46am Wed 21 May 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

this coming from a man who sold Rickie Lambert to West Spam, only for the board to oppose the sale. Sorry NC, but I dont buy that.
this coming from a man who sold Rickie Lambert to West Spam, only for the board to oppose the sale. Sorry NC, but I dont buy that. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 4

11:53am Wed 21 May 14

Churchill Saint says...

When Chairman of Saints, NC's interviews with the BBC were very rare but when they happened he did it for a reason. Makes me think he has an agenda for doing this interview. I don't think we have heard the last of NC.
When Chairman of Saints, NC's interviews with the BBC were very rare but when they happened he did it for a reason. Makes me think he has an agenda for doing this interview. I don't think we have heard the last of NC. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Wed 21 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 10

12:06pm Wed 21 May 14

Santa65 says...

This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
498644

Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?!

COYR
This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?! COYR Santa65
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Wed 21 May 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Santa65 wrote:
This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/27

498644

Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?!

COYR
Interesting read, cue numerous internet stories that his consortium is about to buy Saints or Villa.
[quote][p][bold]Santa65[/bold] wrote: This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?! COYR[/p][/quote]Interesting read, cue numerous internet stories that his consortium is about to buy Saints or Villa. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Wed 21 May 14

fritzer says...

Why didn't you toe the party line then Mr Cortese?. every one would have gained (with respect)
Why didn't you toe the party line then Mr Cortese?. every one would have gained (with respect) fritzer
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
look at the money spent on the players you mentioned... and then compare to that spent on the financial and footballing mistakes. its not rocket science. NC threw money down the drain and his record on signings is not spectacular
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]look at the money spent on the players you mentioned... and then compare to that spent on the financial and footballing mistakes. its not rocket science. NC threw money down the drain and his record on signings is not spectacular Jonny Maths
  • Score: -2

12:54pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him. Jonny Maths
  • Score: -5

12:57pm Wed 21 May 14

Dorssaints says...

A quote from NC: 'When you plan a career, it is important to make the right decision at the right time. Often we have maybe seen people take too quick a step which ultimately backfires'.
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Now this is a close friend of MoPo and this is his open advise to the press. Read into it as much as you like but I see that as a positive.
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Rumour of £6m salary if he stays, well we will make more than £6m a year in additional ticket sales so good business.
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Any news on new kit release date, we got it wrong 2 season sago when sales were delayed and people bought late,
A quote from NC: 'When you plan a career, it is important to make the right decision at the right time. Often we have maybe seen people take too quick a step which ultimately backfires'. . Now this is a close friend of MoPo and this is his open advise to the press. Read into it as much as you like but I see that as a positive. . Rumour of £6m salary if he stays, well we will make more than £6m a year in additional ticket sales so good business. . Any news on new kit release date, we got it wrong 2 season sago when sales were delayed and people bought late, Dorssaints
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Steve_N says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Does he seriously think that other chairmen, after the season we have just had, would not be making offers for our best players?

Seriously? Dream on. They are every bit as cut throat as he is, and would be piling in for any player they wanted, just as they are now. Allegedly.
That may be so, but I'd be more confident of keeping the squad together with NC at the helm than I am right now! He would have had no problem in telling other clubs where to go with their money.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Does he seriously think that other chairmen, after the season we have just had, would not be making offers for our best players? Seriously? Dream on. They are every bit as cut throat as he is, and would be piling in for any player they wanted, just as they are now. Allegedly.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I'd be more confident of keeping the squad together with NC at the helm than I am right now! He would have had no problem in telling other clubs where to go with their money. Steve_N
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa65 wrote:
This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk


/sport/0/football/27


498644

Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?!

COYR
Interesting read, cue numerous internet stories that his consortium is about to buy Saints or Villa.
Like everything he says,and it shows why we had been so successful up to the time he left.
Let's hope he's on his way back,it wouldn't be such a surprise.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa65[/bold] wrote: This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?! COYR[/p][/quote]Interesting read, cue numerous internet stories that his consortium is about to buy Saints or Villa.[/p][/quote]Like everything he says,and it shows why we had been so successful up to the time he left. Let's hope he's on his way back,it wouldn't be such a surprise. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Wed 21 May 14

florida saint says...

so nc you have decided to try and destabilise the saints,was this part of your master plan, is it because we went on to have a great season without you. you walked away, you didn't give the fans a second thought as normal.

Lets be honest every young player if they are good enough would play for man u, Chelsea or arsenal. even if you were still there it would be no different.

Your comments are most unwelcome, im really surprised you made them, as you never talked to the fans whilst you were here.

But I suppose you now need the publicity as you have not got the saints to headline you. now just please go away... u t s
so nc you have decided to try and destabilise the saints,was this part of your master plan, is it because we went on to have a great season without you. you walked away, you didn't give the fans a second thought as normal. Lets be honest every young player if they are good enough would play for man u, Chelsea or arsenal. even if you were still there it would be no different. Your comments are most unwelcome, im really surprised you made them, as you never talked to the fans whilst you were here. But I suppose you now need the publicity as you have not got the saints to headline you. now just please go away... u t s florida saint
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Wed 21 May 14

Malcombe says...

Earlier today I read the article of Nicola Cortese's on BBC Sports, I have just watched his interview and he said that he set out a 5 year plan when he came to Southampton and sold it to Nigel and the Players who wanted to be included in this exciting mission he said that plan came to an end when Nigel was sacked, he then proceeded with MP for the next 5 year plan which has been in place for 18 months so what could be any reason that the plan of NC and MP's is now dead, MP said after the last game he wants to know what the boards future plans are but he already knows because he helped to start it with Nicola, I'm even more confused so Southampton FC please come out with all we want to know the pain and agony is worse than my Arthritic Hip and that's worse than a raging toothache.
Earlier today I read the article of Nicola Cortese's on BBC Sports, I have just watched his interview and he said that he set out a 5 year plan when he came to Southampton and sold it to Nigel and the Players who wanted to be included in this exciting mission he said that plan came to an end when Nigel was sacked, he then proceeded with MP for the next 5 year plan which has been in place for 18 months so what could be any reason that the plan of NC and MP's is now dead, MP said after the last game he wants to know what the boards future plans are but he already knows because he helped to start it with Nicola, I'm even more confused so Southampton FC please come out with all we want to know the pain and agony is worse than my Arthritic Hip and that's worse than a raging toothache. Malcombe
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Wed 21 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
In my opinion I think your opening statement is incorrect, I suggest you watch the BBC video and listen very carefully whta he actually said,

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
498644
or
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
503670
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]In my opinion I think your opening statement is incorrect, I suggest you watch the BBC video and listen very carefully whta he actually said, http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 or http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 503670 OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

1:36pm Wed 21 May 14

Golden_Salamander says...

If Adam Blackmore is correct (and he does talk to the players) I am very worried by what is going on.. He has said on Twitter that :-

1/ (talking about Luke & Adam) " as far as I'm concerned they're as good as gone now - just details to be sorted - can't blame them for ambition".

2/ " The club will struggle to keep Lallana & Shaw as we know - and I was told Liverpool made a firm bid for Lovren of 15M which was rejected"

3/ "A number of #saintsfc players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they've told me" and then "more than half a team" when asked how many."

It seems from those comments that the Players have lost faith with Ralph & Co about the direction of the Club.

Trying to force unhappy players to stay will not work and selling "more than half a team" will end in Relegation and reduce Kat's asset greatly from £120m- £200m to almost worthless (running The Stadium + Academy in the Championship will fail).

I know this will get me a lot of thumbs down from certain posters but I believe there is only one man who can change the mind of the players (& manager) and he gave an interview to the BBC today

He seemed to have a GLINT IN HIS EYE at the end of the video as if he "knows something" ! (? takeover ??)
If Adam Blackmore is correct (and he does talk to the players) I am very worried by what is going on.. He has said on Twitter that :- 1/ (talking about Luke & Adam) " as far as I'm concerned they're as good as gone now - just details to be sorted - can't blame them for ambition". 2/ " The club will struggle to keep Lallana & Shaw as we know - and I was told Liverpool made a firm bid for Lovren of 15M which was rejected" 3/ "A number of #saintsfc players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they've told me" and then "more than half a team" when asked how many." It seems from those comments that the Players have lost faith with Ralph & Co about the direction of the Club. Trying to force unhappy players to stay will not work and selling "more than half a team" will end in Relegation and reduce Kat's asset greatly from £120m- £200m to almost worthless (running The Stadium + Academy in the Championship will fail). I know this will get me a lot of thumbs down from certain posters but I believe there is only one man who can change the mind of the players (& manager) and he gave an interview to the BBC today He seemed to have a GLINT IN HIS EYE at the end of the video as if he "knows something" ! (? takeover ??) Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 3

1:37pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Malcombe wrote:
Earlier today I read the article of Nicola Cortese's on BBC Sports, I have just watched his interview and he said that he set out a 5 year plan when he came to Southampton and sold it to Nigel and the Players who wanted to be included in this exciting mission he said that plan came to an end when Nigel was sacked, he then proceeded with MP for the next 5 year plan which has been in place for 18 months so what could be any reason that the plan of NC and MP's is now dead, MP said after the last game he wants to know what the boards future plans are but he already knows because he helped to start it with Nicola, I'm even more confused so Southampton FC please come out with all we want to know the pain and agony is worse than my Arthritic Hip and that's worse than a raging toothache.
Yes, he said that the first 5 year plan ended in 2012 once promotion had been achieved, so in fact he had succeeded Part One with a long time to spare. The next step was only in its infancy, we are 18 months into it, presumably the ambition was to get Champions League and a higher position in the Premier within the next five years, not instantly. Basically it is up to the new regime to decide whether it is still a feasible plan.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Earlier today I read the article of Nicola Cortese's on BBC Sports, I have just watched his interview and he said that he set out a 5 year plan when he came to Southampton and sold it to Nigel and the Players who wanted to be included in this exciting mission he said that plan came to an end when Nigel was sacked, he then proceeded with MP for the next 5 year plan which has been in place for 18 months so what could be any reason that the plan of NC and MP's is now dead, MP said after the last game he wants to know what the boards future plans are but he already knows because he helped to start it with Nicola, I'm even more confused so Southampton FC please come out with all we want to know the pain and agony is worse than my Arthritic Hip and that's worse than a raging toothache.[/p][/quote]Yes, he said that the first 5 year plan ended in 2012 once promotion had been achieved, so in fact he had succeeded Part One with a long time to spare. The next step was only in its infancy, we are 18 months into it, presumably the ambition was to get Champions League and a higher position in the Premier within the next five years, not instantly. Basically it is up to the new regime to decide whether it is still a feasible plan. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam. Jonny Maths
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Wed 21 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
Notaclue and 101, you beat me to it.

Talking of stats, any idea of the stats for how many minutes per goal conceded when Vic WAS on the pitch vs. minutes per goal conceded when Vic WASN'T on the pitch?

With some caution, it would be interesting to compare.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]Notaclue and 101, you beat me to it. Talking of stats, any idea of the stats for how many minutes per goal conceded when Vic WAS on the pitch vs. minutes per goal conceded when Vic WASN'T on the pitch? With some caution, it would be interesting to compare. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Wed 21 May 14

right back in the bar says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
Get in there! We are a better defensive proposition with VW but much more dynamic with JC. VW would never replace MS to my mind because he is not in the same league when it comes to passing the football. You new on here? Stand by for plenty of motherhood/schoolmas
terly correction from the lot I call the clique if they don't like what you say. I think you already copped some. But keep going - I do.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]Get in there! We are a better defensive proposition with VW but much more dynamic with JC. VW would never replace MS to my mind because he is not in the same league when it comes to passing the football. You new on here? Stand by for plenty of motherhood/schoolmas terly correction from the lot I call the clique if they don't like what you say. I think you already copped some. But keep going - I do. right back in the bar
  • Score: -2

1:55pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
Get in there! We are a better defensive proposition with VW but much more dynamic with JC. VW would never replace MS to my mind because he is not in the same league when it comes to passing the football. You new on here? Stand by for plenty of motherhood/schoolmas

terly correction from the lot I call the clique if they don't like what you say. I think you already copped some. But keep going - I do.
LOL.... yes new on here ( ish ) , I used to post a few years back under an ID that I can not even remember...

People can say what they like , it won't change the fact that I have seen VW play 10 times and his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... good player though in many respects.

I used to watch this forum a lot last early last year and 2012 and it was hilarious how some people got flustered and used to call people skunks if they dared to suggest NC was anything other than a Saint ( see what I did there ).
I take NC for what he is , good and bad, don't know the guy , he made mistakes and he made great moves.... then he moved on....

Your comments about MS JC and VW are spot on ....
:-)
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]Get in there! We are a better defensive proposition with VW but much more dynamic with JC. VW would never replace MS to my mind because he is not in the same league when it comes to passing the football. You new on here? Stand by for plenty of motherhood/schoolmas terly correction from the lot I call the clique if they don't like what you say. I think you already copped some. But keep going - I do.[/p][/quote]LOL.... yes new on here ( ish ) , I used to post a few years back under an ID that I can not even remember... People can say what they like , it won't change the fact that I have seen VW play 10 times and his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... good player though in many respects. I used to watch this forum a lot last early last year and 2012 and it was hilarious how some people got flustered and used to call people skunks if they dared to suggest NC was anything other than a Saint ( see what I did there ). I take NC for what he is , good and bad, don't know the guy , he made mistakes and he made great moves.... then he moved on.... Your comments about MS JC and VW are spot on .... :-) Jonny Maths
  • Score: -3

1:58pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
If Adam Blackmore is correct (and he does talk to the players) I am very worried by what is going on.. He has said on Twitter that :-

1/ (talking about Luke & Adam) " as far as I'm concerned they're as good as gone now - just details to be sorted - can't blame them for ambition".

2/ " The club will struggle to keep Lallana & Shaw as we know - and I was told Liverpool made a firm bid for Lovren of 15M which was rejected"

3/ "A number of #saintsfc players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they've told me" and then "more than half a team" when asked how many."

It seems from those comments that the Players have lost faith with Ralph & Co about the direction of the Club.

Trying to force unhappy players to stay will not work and selling "more than half a team" will end in Relegation and reduce Kat's asset greatly from £120m- £200m to almost worthless (running The Stadium + Academy in the Championship will fail).

I know this will get me a lot of thumbs down from certain posters but I believe there is only one man who can change the mind of the players (& manager) and he gave an interview to the BBC today

He seemed to have a GLINT IN HIS EYE at the end of the video as if he "knows something" ! (? takeover ??)
He also said emphatically that he won't be coming back. Whatever he has planned it will not be anything to do with us.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: If Adam Blackmore is correct (and he does talk to the players) I am very worried by what is going on.. He has said on Twitter that :- 1/ (talking about Luke & Adam) " as far as I'm concerned they're as good as gone now - just details to be sorted - can't blame them for ambition". 2/ " The club will struggle to keep Lallana & Shaw as we know - and I was told Liverpool made a firm bid for Lovren of 15M which was rejected" 3/ "A number of #saintsfc players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they've told me" and then "more than half a team" when asked how many." It seems from those comments that the Players have lost faith with Ralph & Co about the direction of the Club. Trying to force unhappy players to stay will not work and selling "more than half a team" will end in Relegation and reduce Kat's asset greatly from £120m- £200m to almost worthless (running The Stadium + Academy in the Championship will fail). I know this will get me a lot of thumbs down from certain posters but I believe there is only one man who can change the mind of the players (& manager) and he gave an interview to the BBC today He seemed to have a GLINT IN HIS EYE at the end of the video as if he "knows something" ! (? takeover ??)[/p][/quote]He also said emphatically that he won't be coming back. Whatever he has planned it will not be anything to do with us. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:00pm Wed 21 May 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

But you did leave Mr Cortese, having massively overspent on the training ground. There is a tale of NC walking into St.Mary's reception and not liking the newly installed Christmas tree demanding it to be ripped out and replaced at great expense. Perfectionist or megalomaniac with somebody else's cheque book?
But you did leave Mr Cortese, having massively overspent on the training ground. There is a tale of NC walking into St.Mary's reception and not liking the newly installed Christmas tree demanding it to be ripped out and replaced at great expense. Perfectionist or megalomaniac with somebody else's cheque book? stfrancisofbenali
  • Score: 3

2:05pm Wed 21 May 14

cebu blue says...

So you will be up against some of your better players next season when they will representing other clubs.. Shaw and Allana must think they are going to a better place maybe than SFC. Looks as if the manager could be following close behind also.
Southampton have had a great season but selling your best players for whatever reason could ruin your chances of having another one 2014.

PUP
So you will be up against some of your better players next season when they will representing other clubs.. Shaw and Allana must think they are going to a better place maybe than SFC. Looks as if the manager could be following close behind also. Southampton have had a great season but selling your best players for whatever reason could ruin your chances of having another one 2014. PUP cebu blue
  • Score: -5

2:44pm Wed 21 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Nicola Cortese resigned. His view on keeping players is apparently similar to Les Reed's statement to the media on behalf of Southampton FC.

Nicola Cortese conducted the club's business in private. Saints continue to conduct business in private. Negotiations are taking place and will take place regarding contract renewals, new signings and possibly player sales, as is usual when preparing for a new season.

Now is the time to patiently await official word from the club at appropriate times, after contracts have been signed. All the media speculation adds up to precisely zero. The club has been in safe hands for five years and nothing whatsoever has happened to suggest that will change.

This is still an amazing time to be a Saints fan. More of our players than ever before are on international duty in various age groups. We recently came to the end of the fifth season of continuing upward progress. I am looking forward to next season, confident that Saints remain in safe hands and that the intention at the club is to continue the great progress of the last five years.

We have all the rock solid evidence of five years of progress, followed by only flimsy rumours and speculation from the media. No contest! I believe only the evidence, not the fiction!

Up the Saints!!!
Nicola Cortese resigned. His view on keeping players is apparently similar to Les Reed's statement to the media on behalf of Southampton FC. Nicola Cortese conducted the club's business in private. Saints continue to conduct business in private. Negotiations are taking place and will take place regarding contract renewals, new signings and possibly player sales, as is usual when preparing for a new season. Now is the time to patiently await official word from the club at appropriate times, after contracts have been signed. All the media speculation adds up to precisely zero. The club has been in safe hands for five years and nothing whatsoever has happened to suggest that will change. This is still an amazing time to be a Saints fan. More of our players than ever before are on international duty in various age groups. We recently came to the end of the fifth season of continuing upward progress. I am looking forward to next season, confident that Saints remain in safe hands and that the intention at the club is to continue the great progress of the last five years. We have all the rock solid evidence of five years of progress, followed by only flimsy rumours and speculation from the media. No contest! I believe only the evidence, not the fiction! Up the Saints!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 6

3:12pm Wed 21 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

I for one truly believe that no player would have left or would have wanted to leave had cortese still been at the club. He sold the vision to Mopo which is why he joined the club, and of course the players. I believe that this vision included champions league football and not only would we have kept the team together, we would have also spent lots of money on new players including a top striker.
I for one truly believe that no player would have left or would have wanted to leave had cortese still been at the club. He sold the vision to Mopo which is why he joined the club, and of course the players. I believe that this vision included champions league football and not only would we have kept the team together, we would have also spent lots of money on new players including a top striker. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Wed 21 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.
"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%"
"we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... "
that's not slating a player?
ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more.
you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing"
you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do.

STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without,
with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was.
13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min.
then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out.
6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min.
so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB.

when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence?

as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that!
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.[/p][/quote]"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%" "we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... " that's not slating a player? ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more. you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing" you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do. STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without, with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was. 13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min. then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out. 6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min. so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB. when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence? as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

3:44pm Wed 21 May 14

mack chinnon says...

"I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys.
You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey.
"I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys. You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey. mack chinnon
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Wed 21 May 14

andoru says...

Santa65 wrote:
This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/27

498644

Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?!

COYR
Most interesting quote for me was this:

"Once we got promoted to the Premier League in 2012, we started a new five-year plan."

Didn't MoPo say that the last five year plan has just ended with the end of this past season?
[quote][p][bold]Santa65[/bold] wrote: This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?! COYR[/p][/quote]Most interesting quote for me was this: "Once we got promoted to the Premier League in 2012, we started a new five-year plan." Didn't MoPo say that the last five year plan has just ended with the end of this past season? andoru
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

andoru wrote:
Santa65 wrote:
This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk


/sport/0/football/27


498644

Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?!

COYR
Most interesting quote for me was this:

"Once we got promoted to the Premier League in 2012, we started a new five-year plan."

Didn't MoPo say that the last five year plan has just ended with the end of this past season?
It is down to timing and personal opinion I guess, the principle is the same, we have achieved most of the original plan, we still need to know where we go from here though, there is nothing certain, it could go either way.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa65[/bold] wrote: This has just been added to the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 498644 Reading it makes me wonder whether the Board's silence at the moment is because an offer has been made for the entire club, or is about to be? Speculation is a killer isn't it?! COYR[/p][/quote]Most interesting quote for me was this: "Once we got promoted to the Premier League in 2012, we started a new five-year plan." Didn't MoPo say that the last five year plan has just ended with the end of this past season?[/p][/quote]It is down to timing and personal opinion I guess, the principle is the same, we have achieved most of the original plan, we still need to know where we go from here though, there is nothing certain, it could go either way. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:58pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mack chinnon wrote:
"I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys.
You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey.
If you meant that, it sounds to me to be very ungrateful and it is not necessary to be abusive and racist in the circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: "I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys. You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey.[/p][/quote]If you meant that, it sounds to me to be very ungrateful and it is not necessary to be abusive and racist in the circumstances. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Wed 21 May 14

Poole Tom says...

NC was an employee like everyone else apart from KL. Consequently unless she has had a change of heart since NC left the club whatever is going to happen this summer would have have happened even if he had stayed because at the end of the day it`s her club and therefore her money.
NC was an employee like everyone else apart from KL. Consequently unless she has had a change of heart since NC left the club whatever is going to happen this summer would have have happened even if he had stayed because at the end of the day it`s her club and therefore her money. Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Wed 21 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Poole Tom wrote:
NC was an employee like everyone else apart from KL. Consequently unless she has had a change of heart since NC left the club whatever is going to happen this summer would have have happened even if he had stayed because at the end of the day it`s her club and therefore her money.
It may only be conjecture,but maybe the wheel didn't exactly come off,but start to wobble a bit,when Markus Liebherr died.
It was his club,and his money.
Nicola Cortese was the man he put in charge to deliver his dream for the club,and boy,did he deliver.
It's no good dwelling on"what it's",but only,what happens,but up to the point when Cortese left,the plan was healthy,on time,and heading in only one direction.
Now he's gone,let's hope nobody else messes it up.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: NC was an employee like everyone else apart from KL. Consequently unless she has had a change of heart since NC left the club whatever is going to happen this summer would have have happened even if he had stayed because at the end of the day it`s her club and therefore her money.[/p][/quote]It may only be conjecture,but maybe the wheel didn't exactly come off,but start to wobble a bit,when Markus Liebherr died. It was his club,and his money. Nicola Cortese was the man he put in charge to deliver his dream for the club,and boy,did he deliver. It's no good dwelling on"what it's",but only,what happens,but up to the point when Cortese left,the plan was healthy,on time,and heading in only one direction. Now he's gone,let's hope nobody else messes it up. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Wed 21 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.
"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%"
"we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... "
that's not slating a player?
ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more.
you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing"
you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do.

STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without,
with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was.
13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min.
then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out.
6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min.
so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB.

when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence?

as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that!
Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal).

All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad.

Here's hoping .....
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.[/p][/quote]"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%" "we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... " that's not slating a player? ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more. you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing" you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do. STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without, with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was. 13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min. then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out. 6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min. so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB. when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence? as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that![/p][/quote]Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal). All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad. Here's hoping ..... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

8:01pm Wed 21 May 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
"I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys.
You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey.
If you meant that, it sounds to me to be very ungrateful and it is not necessary to be abusive and racist in the circumstances.
Agreed Osprey. We have so much to be grateful toward NC for too. He raised the bar and made us believe something greater was achievable for the perennial underachievers we had become.

Does your deliberately offensive remarks spread to our foreign players and other staff also?

Don't care where they come from what religion they are, what they don't or anything other than can they give me my money's worth on a Saturday afternoon. Maybe there is a lesson to learn here for you. I don't want to hear your nationalistic BS. And I'm talking as an ex-squaddie with 15 years in the colours. So please be a little more thoughtful mate.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: "I would have kept this Saints side together had I stayed at St Marys. You didn't stay, so do one you pasta eating surrender monkey.[/p][/quote]If you meant that, it sounds to me to be very ungrateful and it is not necessary to be abusive and racist in the circumstances.[/p][/quote]Agreed Osprey. We have so much to be grateful toward NC for too. He raised the bar and made us believe something greater was achievable for the perennial underachievers we had become. Does your deliberately offensive remarks spread to our foreign players and other staff also? Don't care where they come from what religion they are, what they don't or anything other than can they give me my money's worth on a Saturday afternoon. Maybe there is a lesson to learn here for you. I don't want to hear your nationalistic BS. And I'm talking as an ex-squaddie with 15 years in the colours. So please be a little more thoughtful mate. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Wed 21 May 14

peregrine73 says...

Sources linked to Kelvin Davies confirm MP is close to leaving,he was staying,but in the last two weeks things have gone on that havnt been disclosed.It seems that once again SFC is in turmoil.Let's hope for a good outcome !.
Sources linked to Kelvin Davies confirm MP is close to leaving,he was staying,but in the last two weeks things have gone on that havnt been disclosed.It seems that once again SFC is in turmoil.Let's hope for a good outcome !. peregrine73
  • Score: -1

9:09pm Wed 21 May 14

Block 42 says...

lindfieldsaint wrote:
Different times when NC was at St Mary's. Of course, when we in League 1 and the Championship, Adam, Rickie, Morgan were all together as we were on an an exciting upwards journey. Interest was shown from clubs but not from clubs who could offer Champions League football and treble the wages.
When clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc come calling it's difficult to keep players. NC wasn't able to keep Oxlade-Chamberlain - he is just mischief making.
why is this harmfull?show some respect brotherman.
the guy is a genius..he would of done his gosh darndest to keep em all..I dont trust ralph kruger or katerina to be honest..I think they will sell
[quote][p][bold]lindfieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Different times when NC was at St Mary's. Of course, when we in League 1 and the Championship, Adam, Rickie, Morgan were all together as we were on an an exciting upwards journey. Interest was shown from clubs but not from clubs who could offer Champions League football and treble the wages. When clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc come calling it's difficult to keep players. NC wasn't able to keep Oxlade-Chamberlain - he is just mischief making.[/p][/quote]why is this harmfull?show some respect brotherman. the guy is a genius..he would of done his gosh darndest to keep em all..I dont trust ralph kruger or katerina to be honest..I think they will sell Block 42
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.
"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%"
"we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... "
that's not slating a player?
ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more.
you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing"
you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do.

STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without,
with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was.
13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min.
then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out.
6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min.
so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB.

when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence?

as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that!
Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal).

All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad.

Here's hoping .....
I do not dislike VW... the clique on here seem to read what they want to read , then make an assumption on someone and stick with and wind their necks out.... I simply stated what anyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE MATCHES PROPERLY knows.... VW can not pass further than 20 yards without train tracks guiding the ball.... that does not make him a bad player. HE was never worth the money we paid , but then again nor was AOC worth what Arsenal paid. The SFC religious can delude themselves as much as they like but simple stating a player's attributes is not slag gin him off. MLT was rubbish at tackling..... so what.... was he a rubbish signing ? no ,,, see how it works ?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.[/p][/quote]"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%" "we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... " that's not slating a player? ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more. you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing" you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do. STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without, with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was. 13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min. then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out. 6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min. so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB. when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence? as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that![/p][/quote]Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal). All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad. Here's hoping .....[/p][/quote]I do not dislike VW... the clique on here seem to read what they want to read , then make an assumption on someone and stick with and wind their necks out.... I simply stated what anyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE MATCHES PROPERLY knows.... VW can not pass further than 20 yards without train tracks guiding the ball.... that does not make him a bad player. HE was never worth the money we paid , but then again nor was AOC worth what Arsenal paid. The SFC religious can delude themselves as much as they like but simple stating a player's attributes is not slag gin him off. MLT was rubbish at tackling..... so what.... was he a rubbish signing ? no ,,, see how it works ? Jonny Maths
  • Score: -1

10:21pm Wed 21 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Wed 21 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
Well said Strassey..I absolutely disagree with you. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]Well said Strassey..I absolutely disagree with you. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I am digging no hole mr clique.. my stat was not inaccurate since it was not the PS% completion stat because as I have stated before ( and can again as many times as you like ) its MEANINGLESS.... I use a better stat.... and my opinions about players change from game-to-game and since we have not played since I first posted , they have not changed. Other people's inability to correctly interpret my posts bothers me not one jot but I am happy to repeat as many times as required the same things until the penny drops. I am a Saints fan ( possibly longer than you ) but objectivity is still possible and I certainly pay no attention to get-a-life word smithing... its childish and dull.... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I am digging no hole mr clique.. my stat was not inaccurate since it was not the PS% completion stat because as I have stated before ( and can again as many times as you like ) its MEANINGLESS.... I use a better stat.... and my opinions about players change from game-to-game and since we have not played since I first posted , they have not changed. Other people's inability to correctly interpret my posts bothers me not one jot but I am happy to repeat as many times as required the same things until the penny drops. I am a Saints fan ( possibly longer than you ) but objectivity is still possible and I certainly pay no attention to get-a-life word smithing... its childish and dull.... [ no offence ] ;-) Jonny Maths
  • Score: -2

10:57pm Wed 21 May 14

Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius says...

Friend of mine works in a distribution centre that deals with Nike branded football shirts; a huge shipment is due to arrive in 2 weeks - destination southampton! He claims the shirts share the same product code as Athletico Madrid shirts! Just thought I'd let you know.
Friend of mine works in a distribution centre that deals with Nike branded football shirts; a huge shipment is due to arrive in 2 weeks - destination southampton! He claims the shirts share the same product code as Athletico Madrid shirts! Just thought I'd let you know. Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius
  • Score: 1

11:13pm Wed 21 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority. OSPREYSAINT
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11:37pm Wed 21 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.
funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.[/p][/quote]funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched. Jonny Maths
  • Score: -2

12:09am Thu 22 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.
The nail that sticks up..is always the one hammered down.
(Old Japanese proverb)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.[/p][/quote]The nail that sticks up..is always the one hammered down. (Old Japanese proverb) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

12:23am Thu 22 May 14

ollysaint says...

WHEN will some of you fools understand that NC was never the Chairman.

He was a General Manager who gave himself a posh job title while the owners weren't looking.
WHEN will some of you fools understand that NC was never the Chairman. He was a General Manager who gave himself a posh job title while the owners weren't looking. ollysaint
  • Score: -2

3:25am Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.
funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched.
Johnny M,
Why are you becoming so aggressive? No one has been critical of you, your personality or suggested your not a fan. People , including me, have pulled apart your criticism of a saints player. If you can provide any evidence to back up your claim that wanyamas pass% is less than 50% (when you take out 'meaningless' 5yd back passes) I will be more than happy to see it, if not then the only stat that matters is the pass completion percentage provided by the relevant bodies.
You have resorted to the worst type of arguments people start using when they have been challenged. I've been a fan longer than you, you don't understand the game your watching, you cant understand English or what I have written and your all a clique ganging up on me.
Firstly, there is no correlation between how long you've been a fan and how much you know, why should there be?
We don't understand the game we are watching, really? So you know a lot more than others because? Who are you to assume what I see and don't see, understand or dont in a game! What do you see that many others don't? What makes you such an expert?
I completely understood what you wrote and how you changed it around several times when challenged. Its not our fault that you couldn't get your point across in a manner that others could understand.
There is no clique and it doesn't matter how many times you say there is, it doesn't make it true! As others have said, we don't agree on everything (it would be boring if we did) but we don't get aggressive with each other and are happy to argue and debate properly!
The fact that you say you are happy to continually post the same thing over and over again and despite what others have said shows you have a closed mind and are unwilling to debate, that is a real childish attitude! Its the attitude of someone who will continue to claim the sky is red despite everyone else saying its blue.
Fine make your point, argue it but at least be willing to accept that you might, just might be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.[/p][/quote]funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched.[/p][/quote]Johnny M, Why are you becoming so aggressive? No one has been critical of you, your personality or suggested your not a fan. People , including me, have pulled apart your criticism of a saints player. If you can provide any evidence to back up your claim that wanyamas pass% is less than 50% (when you take out 'meaningless' 5yd back passes) I will be more than happy to see it, if not then the only stat that matters is the pass completion percentage provided by the relevant bodies. You have resorted to the worst type of arguments people start using when they have been challenged. I've been a fan longer than you, you don't understand the game your watching, you cant understand English or what I have written and your all a clique ganging up on me. Firstly, there is no correlation between how long you've been a fan and how much you know, why should there be? We don't understand the game we are watching, really? So you know a lot more than others because? Who are you to assume what I see and don't see, understand or dont in a game! What do you see that many others don't? What makes you such an expert? I completely understood what you wrote and how you changed it around several times when challenged. Its not our fault that you couldn't get your point across in a manner that others could understand. There is no clique and it doesn't matter how many times you say there is, it doesn't make it true! As others have said, we don't agree on everything (it would be boring if we did) but we don't get aggressive with each other and are happy to argue and debate properly! The fact that you say you are happy to continually post the same thing over and over again and despite what others have said shows you have a closed mind and are unwilling to debate, that is a real childish attitude! Its the attitude of someone who will continue to claim the sky is red despite everyone else saying its blue. Fine make your point, argue it but at least be willing to accept that you might, just might be wrong. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

5:25am Thu 22 May 14

st1halo says...

Jonny Maths wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....
But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert .......

Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?
Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%
beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head?
just a couple of other points though.
why has gaston been a `waste of money?
the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us?
Osvaldo was a MP signing.
we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them?
why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French).
if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt!
Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really!
PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.
if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty?
so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it?
I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back.
slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right!
i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.
"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%"
"we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... "
that's not slating a player?
ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more.
you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing"
you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do.

STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without,
with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was.
13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min.
then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out.
6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min.
so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB.

when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence?

as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that!
Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal).

All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad.

Here's hoping .....
I do not dislike VW... the clique on here seem to read what they want to read , then make an assumption on someone and stick with and wind their necks out.... I simply stated what anyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE MATCHES PROPERLY knows.... VW can not pass further than 20 yards without train tracks guiding the ball.... that does not make him a bad player. HE was never worth the money we paid , but then again nor was AOC worth what Arsenal paid. The SFC religious can delude themselves as much as they like but simple stating a player's attributes is not slag gin him off. MLT was rubbish at tackling..... so what.... was he a rubbish signing ? no ,,, see how it works ?
With respect (and I'm not part of any clique) I agree about Vic's ability to pass forward but his value cannot be judged on this alone. He's a young (22) internationally experienced player with great potential. Likewise Gaston at 23. Any player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay and players shouldn't be judged accordingly. If you take away the pricetags we have two very good players who are premiership standard and bring international experience to the youth set up and the dressing room, notwithstanding a degree of stature to the club whch in turn entices other similar possible incomng transfers. Whilst performances are important they are not 100% of the picture.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: NC as usual is talking utter cr@p. There is no way on earth a club like Saints can expect to keep players like AL and LS if they want to leave... its as simple as that. If they go for £55 million then great , good luck to them and good luck to Saints who should be able to buy 3 or 4 world class players to replace them and not dross signing as per the NC reign. Thanks for the advice Nicola but Dani power-room was a disaster, Gaston a waste of money, some Norwegan who did not want to play football here and some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50% so if its all the same I will take your advice on the player roster with a pinch of salt. We need to get real AL and LS are on their way.... if THEY want to go then THEY will leave and Saints will be quids in. Jayrod is proof that you can be clever in the transfer market so lets look positive to 2014/15 , the embarrassment of the world cup behind us , Saints playing in our new Kit made by Aldi and hopefully a boosted squad ready to try for Europe....[/p][/quote]But JayRod was one of NC's 'dross' signings. So was Lovren, Cork, Lambert ....... Are you sure it is HIM who is talking 'utter cr@p'?[/p][/quote]Wanyama pass success stats this season are 84.3%[/p][/quote]beat me to the wanyama pass completion %! less than 50%? was that just in your head? just a couple of other points though. why has gaston been a `waste of money? the `Norwegian` who didn't want to play was vegard forren, and why didn't he want to play for us? Osvaldo was a MP signing. we cant keep lalla and luke, who are world class players, yet we should be able to buy 3-4 world class players with the money we get from selling them? why is the world cup going to be an embarrassment? we have three players in the England squad, gaston in the Uruguay squad, dejan in the Croatia squad, Yoshi in the japan squad, spider is on the verge of the French squad (and has been called the best in training by the French). if you cant get simple facts right then we will all take your comments with a pinch of salt! Aldi making our kit? says all I need to know really![/p][/quote]PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those. they include backwards 5 yard passes.....all my celtic mates were right about him. Great at holding, winning the ball and short distribution but useless at longer cutting passes and they were happy with their money up north... we paid stupid money for him.[/p][/quote]if passing stats are so meaningless why did YOU bring them up? you slated wanyama by mentioning passing stats no one else, so who is the numpty? so a player who does his job by winning he ball, breaking up oppositions attacks and passing it to others to do the `flair` stuff is no good? Wanyama has done exactly what he was brought in for, sit at the back and win the ball. its no coincidence that when he was out through injury we started losing games is it? I`m glad celtic fans are happy with the money we paid or him, it wont help them out as they are in a meaningless league, and I for one am happy with the player we got. not every player can do the flair flash stuff, not even in the top clubs, but Wanyama was brought in by MP to do a job and hes done that very well. £12mill for a young international defensive midfielder isn't stupid money and he has already started to pay that back. slate a player all you like but at least get your facts right![/p][/quote]i did not slate VW. He was just not worth the money in my opinion. He is a good player.... can tackle , great in the air , great dribbling and short passing but useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls. Saints I fear fell for the spin on him and Lennon's massive over-value over several months.... I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing. And regards NC I have no opinions either way , he was a great asset as often as he was a liability..... But I do think his views on AL and LS are ridiculous since anyone with half a brain knows the score on that... Personally I would hate to see either go but if we have to sell then a left back is easier to replace than a play maker like Adam.[/p][/quote]"some dude from Celtic whose pass completion is less that 50%" "we paid stupid money for him" "useless at longer decisive passing and commits too many fouls." " his long passing is atrocious and he is never worth the mega millions.... " that's not slating a player? ok you say hes a good player but your other comments say more. you were the one who brought up pass completion, "less than 50%". then you claimed "PS% stats are meaningless , only numpties pay attention to those." then " I did not state passing stats were meaningless , I said PS% stats are meaningless because they include 5 yard backwards passing" you didn't say they were meaningless because they included 5yd back passes at all. why don't 5yd back passes count? I thought they were an integral point to our game. we keep the ball and pass it around to work an opening. would you rather a player try a long pass that isn't on and lose the ball than just lay off a simple pass to a player who might be in a better position to pass the ball? as I said wanyama was brought in to do a job, raking long passes weren't a part of that job, so moaning that a player cant do something he wasn't brought in to do is plain wrong, AB doesn't score goals but he wasn't brought in to do that, I know that's an extreme comparison but it makes my point. wanyama is excellent at what he does and that's what we want him to do. STRAS, goals per min with Big Vic opposed to without, with vic, only worked out up until his injury and it was. 13 1/2 games 1215 mins, 11 goals conceded. that's 110.46 goals per min. then in the first 6 1/2 games whilst he was out. 6 1/2games 585mins 12goals conceded that's 48.5 goals per min. so we conceded more than twice as many goals without him we did with him, problem is though that these figures don't allow for other changes including gazza in goal over AB. when vic first came back he wasn't fully fit and went out again, when he did come back at the end of the season we stopped conceding again, coincidence? as for the `clique` that people moan about, what a joke, I don't know and have never met any other poster on this site, there are however lots of posters who agree on many subjects about the club, not every point but lots of them. I enjoy coming on here and having a laugh and joke with them, and anyone. I don't call people `skates` if I don't agree with them but try to argue my point and debate with them, I am always willing to be proven wrong on any subject. what most don't like is when people come on here and use rumours and false facts as proof of their opinions. if you have an opinion on a subject fine say so but at least look up the facts and figures you claim are true. i don't care if you dont like wanyama, that's your opinion, I have mine and that's whats great abut football. fans will always defend their club, manager and players and if they disagree with you they are going to say so, if lots of fans disagree you will get lots of responses saying so. I cant help it if you don't like that![/p][/quote]Thanks for the Victor stats. As you say, (and as I also said) we have to take them with some caution because of other injuries and, no doubt, because of factors that - whether or not he was playing - would have been totally out of Victor's control (like the Begavic freak goal and the Artur blunder at Arsenal). All told, if we keep everyone together and buy wisely in the areas we all know we need improvements then, next season, Victor is going to be an important part of a very strong squad. Here's hoping .....[/p][/quote]I do not dislike VW... the clique on here seem to read what they want to read , then make an assumption on someone and stick with and wind their necks out.... I simply stated what anyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE MATCHES PROPERLY knows.... VW can not pass further than 20 yards without train tracks guiding the ball.... that does not make him a bad player. HE was never worth the money we paid , but then again nor was AOC worth what Arsenal paid. The SFC religious can delude themselves as much as they like but simple stating a player's attributes is not slag gin him off. MLT was rubbish at tackling..... so what.... was he a rubbish signing ? no ,,, see how it works ?[/p][/quote]With respect (and I'm not part of any clique) I agree about Vic's ability to pass forward but his value cannot be judged on this alone. He's a young (22) internationally experienced player with great potential. Likewise Gaston at 23. Any player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay and players shouldn't be judged accordingly. If you take away the pricetags we have two very good players who are premiership standard and bring international experience to the youth set up and the dressing room, notwithstanding a degree of stature to the club whch in turn entices other similar possible incomng transfers. Whilst performances are important they are not 100% of the picture. STID st1halo
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10:55am Thu 22 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Jonny Maths wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.
I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.
funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched.
Johnny M,
Why are you becoming so aggressive? No one has been critical of you, your personality or suggested your not a fan. People , including me, have pulled apart your criticism of a saints player. If you can provide any evidence to back up your claim that wanyamas pass% is less than 50% (when you take out 'meaningless' 5yd back passes) I will be more than happy to see it, if not then the only stat that matters is the pass completion percentage provided by the relevant bodies.
You have resorted to the worst type of arguments people start using when they have been challenged. I've been a fan longer than you, you don't understand the game your watching, you cant understand English or what I have written and your all a clique ganging up on me.
Firstly, there is no correlation between how long you've been a fan and how much you know, why should there be?
We don't understand the game we are watching, really? So you know a lot more than others because? Who are you to assume what I see and don't see, understand or dont in a game! What do you see that many others don't? What makes you such an expert?
I completely understood what you wrote and how you changed it around several times when challenged. Its not our fault that you couldn't get your point across in a manner that others could understand.
There is no clique and it doesn't matter how many times you say there is, it doesn't make it true! As others have said, we don't agree on everything (it would be boring if we did) but we don't get aggressive with each other and are happy to argue and debate properly!
The fact that you say you are happy to continually post the same thing over and over again and despite what others have said shows you have a closed mind and are unwilling to debate, that is a real childish attitude! Its the attitude of someone who will continue to claim the sky is red despite everyone else saying its blue.
Fine make your point, argue it but at least be willing to accept that you might, just might be wrong.
Red sky at night?
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny Maths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Jonny Maths, you're digging yourself a hole. It started with a rather one-eyed view of NC and went on to include an inaccurate stat about Victor's passing. It was challenged and so, in an attempt to justify your point of view, you added some other stuff about Vic, much of which you now seem to have changed your mind about. Never mind, we all make mistakes, so I'm happy just to leave it be. However, just because a few people challenge what you write, please don't suggest that there's a clique. We don't all simply agree with each other about everything, we discuss ideas and give our opinions and, very often, we hold very different and opposing points of view; and there's nothing wrong with that.[/p][/quote]I agree about the clique nonsense, I see it as a like minded majority who disagree with a mixed up minority.[/p][/quote]funny ,, I see it as the Harry Enfield pub-agressive character en-masse who do not understand both plain English and the matches they are supposed to have watched.[/p][/quote]Johnny M, Why are you becoming so aggressive? No one has been critical of you, your personality or suggested your not a fan. People , including me, have pulled apart your criticism of a saints player. If you can provide any evidence to back up your claim that wanyamas pass% is less than 50% (when you take out 'meaningless' 5yd back passes) I will be more than happy to see it, if not then the only stat that matters is the pass completion percentage provided by the relevant bodies. You have resorted to the worst type of arguments people start using when they have been challenged. I've been a fan longer than you, you don't understand the game your watching, you cant understand English or what I have written and your all a clique ganging up on me. Firstly, there is no correlation between how long you've been a fan and how much you know, why should there be? We don't understand the game we are watching, really? So you know a lot more than others because? Who are you to assume what I see and don't see, understand or dont in a game! What do you see that many others don't? What makes you such an expert? I completely understood what you wrote and how you changed it around several times when challenged. Its not our fault that you couldn't get your point across in a manner that others could understand. There is no clique and it doesn't matter how many times you say there is, it doesn't make it true! As others have said, we don't agree on everything (it would be boring if we did) but we don't get aggressive with each other and are happy to argue and debate properly! The fact that you say you are happy to continually post the same thing over and over again and despite what others have said shows you have a closed mind and are unwilling to debate, that is a real childish attitude! Its the attitude of someone who will continue to claim the sky is red despite everyone else saying its blue. Fine make your point, argue it but at least be willing to accept that you might, just might be wrong.[/p][/quote]Red sky at night? Positively4thStreet
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