Echo comment: Indecision wouldn't have happened on Cortese's watch

Nicola Cortese

Nicola Cortese

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Sports Editor

IT’S been a long time coming, but Nicola Cortese has finally broken his silence after leaving St Mary’s in a blizzard of headlines back in mid January.

The former executive chairman has given his first interview since his eventful four and half year reign at Saints ended with owner Katharina Liebherr accepting his resignation.

In his interview, Cortese virtually said that none of Saints’ prize assets would have been sold this summer if he had still been chairman.

“I didn't have written offers, but I obviously had phone calls,” he said of interest in Saints players during his reign.

“My answer was that it was not going to happen for at least the next two seasons.

“The other chairmen respected that. Until the day I left, there were no offers.

“I was confident about plenty of conversations I had with the players.

“I knew the players themselves wanted to stick together because this vision was something they believed in too.”

If we believe his version of events, that means Manchester United and Liverpool would NOT have put in bids for Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana.

Is that really likely?

Are we to believe Cortese’s presence at St Mary’s would have forced United, for example, to look elsewhere to replace Patrice Evra?

It is impossible to say, because that situation will never happen.

Cortese can safely speak from a distance because if Shaw and Lallana are sold, it won’t be under his watch.

We will never know whether Saints’ squad would all have gladly stayed if Cortese was still there.

It’s totally hypothetical to guess.

Talking about the prospect of home-grown players like Shaw and Lallana leaving, he added: “You don’t produce them just to sell, otherwise you give away your ambition.”

That is true, but Cortese conveniently forgets to mention the fact Saints sold Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to Arsenal during his time at St Mary’s.

The transfer took place because the player wanted to go and a club were willing to pay Saints’ asking price.

The same will happen with Shaw and Lallana.

They will either want to stay at Saints, or they will angle to leave.

If it is the latter, then all the club can do is try to negotiate the best possible price.

Cortese did that when selling Chamberlain. £12m for a then third division player was a fine piece of business.

Say what you want about Cortese, but he was ruthless in business.

We have to hope the same applies to those that have replaced him in the corridors of power at St Mary’s.

If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.

Fans might forgive Saints for selling if the players genuinely want to go, but they won’t forgive if they sell for a perceived ‘cheap’ price.

And certainly prior to a World Cup which could force the players’ price tags to rise astronomically.

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6:56am Thu 22 May 14

expatsaint says...

To compare the selling of Oxlade-Chamberlain (in the Cortese era) and the possible selling of Lallana and Shaw is a nonsense. All we could offer the Ox, at the time, was the 3rd tier of English football and, clearly, he aspired to greater things than that. Can't blame him on that score. However, fast forward 3 years and we should be able to offer any restless souls improving premiership stability and the prospect of European competitions. I say "should" because the board and owners must show some bottle and invest in strengthening the team. If not our wonderful academy simply becomes a conveyer belt for the likes of United, Liverpool and Arsenal. How sad and tragic that would be!
To compare the selling of Oxlade-Chamberlain (in the Cortese era) and the possible selling of Lallana and Shaw is a nonsense. All we could offer the Ox, at the time, was the 3rd tier of English football and, clearly, he aspired to greater things than that. Can't blame him on that score. However, fast forward 3 years and we should be able to offer any restless souls improving premiership stability and the prospect of European competitions. I say "should" because the board and owners must show some bottle and invest in strengthening the team. If not our wonderful academy simply becomes a conveyer belt for the likes of United, Liverpool and Arsenal. How sad and tragic that would be! expatsaint
  • Score: 23

6:57am Thu 22 May 14

batesieboy says...

I do not think that Cortese "conveniently forgot" at all. Ox and his father agitated loudly to move to Arsenal...I do not hear that happening at the moment...it's a completely different situation. NC always said, if you don't want to be here, you can go if the price is right for SFC. Simples.
I do not think that Cortese "conveniently forgot" at all. Ox and his father agitated loudly to move to Arsenal...I do not hear that happening at the moment...it's a completely different situation. NC always said, if you don't want to be here, you can go if the price is right for SFC. Simples. batesieboy
  • Score: 9

7:00am Thu 22 May 14

DOGS says...

Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon.

Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football.
I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us.
Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money.
Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned.
Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup.

We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.
Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon. Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football. I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us. Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money. Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned. Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup. We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading. DOGS
  • Score: 13

7:16am Thu 22 May 14

Rooflas says...

Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there.
Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there. Rooflas
  • Score: 6

7:21am Thu 22 May 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

What is the Don playing at? Have you listened to the interview on BBC Sport where he is asked right at the end if he sees himself getting back into football soon and he replies, "Maybe" with a broad grin and then when the interviewer says, "You look like you know something" the Don replies, "Maybe" still with a wicked grin on his face. NC only gave interviews when it suited him. Is he coming back? Lol, just wanted to throw that one out there...
What is the Don playing at? Have you listened to the interview on BBC Sport where he is asked right at the end if he sees himself getting back into football soon and he replies, "Maybe" with a broad grin and then when the interviewer says, "You look like you know something" the Don replies, "Maybe" still with a wicked grin on his face. NC only gave interviews when it suited him. Is he coming back? Lol, just wanted to throw that one out there... Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 8

7:22am Thu 22 May 14

Abbey Saint says...

"Echo comment: Indecision wouldn't have happened on Cortese's watch"
Really? Indecisive means not making a decision
"Echo comment: Indecision wouldn't have happened on Cortese's watch" Really? Indecisive means not making a decision Abbey Saint
  • Score: 4

7:22am Thu 22 May 14

Buddy SFC says...

DOGS wrote:
Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon.

Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football.
I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us.
Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money.
Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned.
Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup.

We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.
Sounds interesting, also remember Silence isn't indecision, negotiations , well good ones anyway are all done behind closed doors !
[quote][p][bold]DOGS[/bold] wrote: Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon. Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football. I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us. Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money. Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned. Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup. We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.[/p][/quote]Sounds interesting, also remember Silence isn't indecision, negotiations , well good ones anyway are all done behind closed doors ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 12

7:25am Thu 22 May 14

montecristosaint says...

DOGS wrote:
Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon.

Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football.
I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us.
Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money.
Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned.
Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup.

We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.
why minus Shaw? Surely that is precisely what the club needs to avoid, any player sales. The message has to be, all round that we are not a selling club. 27 m for someone who is potentially the best LB in the world is chicken feed, after the world cup the boy could be worth a lot more but I would still prefer that he was kept he is a special talent , and my god, you do NOT sell those!
[quote][p][bold]DOGS[/bold] wrote: Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon. Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football. I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us. Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money. Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned. Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup. We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.[/p][/quote]why minus Shaw? Surely that is precisely what the club needs to avoid, any player sales. The message has to be, all round that we are not a selling club. 27 m for someone who is potentially the best LB in the world is chicken feed, after the world cup the boy could be worth a lot more but I would still prefer that he was kept he is a special talent , and my god, you do NOT sell those! montecristosaint
  • Score: 8

7:27am Thu 22 May 14

promised land says...

Unfortunately should the board pander to Roy Hodgson's request to have all his players contracts sorted before the World Cup, will in turn play into the hands of the buying clubs of the likes of Man Utd & Liverpool. This will set the bench mark as to how weak the board is. Play hardball and make them wait until after the World Cup. History dictates a players stock rises considerably post major International Cups, show any weakness and clubs will thrive on it.
Unfortunately should the board pander to Roy Hodgson's request to have all his players contracts sorted before the World Cup, will in turn play into the hands of the buying clubs of the likes of Man Utd & Liverpool. This will set the bench mark as to how weak the board is. Play hardball and make them wait until after the World Cup. History dictates a players stock rises considerably post major International Cups, show any weakness and clubs will thrive on it. promised land
  • Score: 3

7:34am Thu 22 May 14

red&whiteisforlife says...

'' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.''
... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present.
'' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.'' ... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present. red&whiteisforlife
  • Score: 13

7:39am Thu 22 May 14

Rooflas says...

red&whiteisforli
fe
wrote:
'' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.''
... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present.
Worthy point, however this action would need back up from other clubs. Players would be put off joining us.
[quote][p][bold]red&whiteisforli fe[/bold] wrote: '' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.'' ... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present.[/p][/quote]Worthy point, however this action would need back up from other clubs. Players would be put off joining us. Rooflas
  • Score: -2

7:46am Thu 22 May 14

Costa Baz says...

DOGS wrote:
Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon.

Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football.
I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us.
Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money.
Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned.
Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup.

We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.
Another forum posted comments about MP having a meal with Benali, recently.

Him and MLT? Although that would mean Matt giving up the easy money at Sky.
[quote][p][bold]DOGS[/bold] wrote: Would of had Cortese back as I was worried a few days ago, however I heard some good things will be announced soon. Lallana will sign a new contract as a deal to Liverpool have broken down. Liverpool will not pay the 30m we are asking for and Lallana did want to leave for champions league football. I'm glad as Adz is going to be important to us. Pooch will not leave either as he has been promised a few of the players on his shopping list with the Shaw money. Spurs only wanted Pooch as 3rd choice but his head was certainly turned. Wait for an announcement if two ex pro's to be part of the new youth setup. We will be one happy family again minus Shaw, Pablo & maybe Gazzanigga if he joins Reading.[/p][/quote]Another forum posted comments about MP having a meal with Benali, recently. Him and MLT? Although that would mean Matt giving up the easy money at Sky. Costa Baz
  • Score: -3

7:49am Thu 22 May 14

Jesus_02 says...

Rooflas wrote:
Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there.
He is a chairman not a manager why would any clubs fight for his services?

And speculation about what?

Its worth noting that it would be astounding that a team that achieved back to back promotions would not arouse interst in the football world
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there.[/p][/quote]He is a chairman not a manager why would any clubs fight for his services? And speculation about what? Its worth noting that it would be astounding that a team that achieved back to back promotions would not arouse interst in the football world Jesus_02
  • Score: 4

7:54am Thu 22 May 14

saint phil says...

Lets have facts and not speculation ,O sorry there would be a blank page.
Lets have facts and not speculation ,O sorry there would be a blank page. saint phil
  • Score: 3

7:59am Thu 22 May 14

Costa Baz says...

One of Lallana's friends tweeting positive comments, about Liverpool having no chance, before or after the World Cup, of signing him!
One of Lallana's friends tweeting positive comments, about Liverpool having no chance, before or after the World Cup, of signing him! Costa Baz
  • Score: 13

8:00am Thu 22 May 14

Rooflas says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there.
He is a chairman not a manager why would any clubs fight for his services?

And speculation about what?

Its worth noting that it would be astounding that a team that achieved back to back promotions would not arouse interst in the football world
So a chairman doesn't offer a service! What is your point?
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs fighting for cortèses services and his opinions about our club now do not count. It is rumoured he is fueling speculation via the media. It is worth noting the only interest under his watch was for the ox and we know what happened there.[/p][/quote]He is a chairman not a manager why would any clubs fight for his services? And speculation about what? Its worth noting that it would be astounding that a team that achieved back to back promotions would not arouse interst in the football world[/p][/quote]So a chairman doesn't offer a service! What is your point? Rooflas
  • Score: 1

8:02am Thu 22 May 14

St.Winch70 says...

Things would have been handled exactly the same if Cortese was still here...we would know nothing until there is something to know!

This Echo reasoning that he is somehow duplicitous because he sold Ox is ridiculous....they should stop flogging that one, as anyone with half a brain realises that at that time it was the best thing to do for the club. Personally I think Ox would be better right now if he had stayed!

What ever Cortese does next I will follow with interest - the man transformed our club from probably the darkest period in our history!, I'll always be grateful for that!
Things would have been handled exactly the same if Cortese was still here...we would know nothing until there is something to know! This Echo reasoning that he is somehow duplicitous because he sold Ox is ridiculous....they should stop flogging that one, as anyone with half a brain realises that at that time it was the best thing to do for the club. Personally I think Ox would be better right now if he had stayed! What ever Cortese does next I will follow with interest - the man transformed our club from probably the darkest period in our history!, I'll always be grateful for that! St.Winch70
  • Score: 13

8:04am Thu 22 May 14

Golden_Salamander says...

What the Don was very good at was generating a "Family spirit" with the players. What I mean with that is he asked about their partners, their children names & ages; how they were doing at school etc. This made the players feel they were WANTED here and probably had interest from other clubs (at higher wages) but it never made the papers because the players knew there was something special with this "family spirit".

Compare that to "wreck it ralph" who has hardly spoken 2 words to some of the players... His management style is to delegate all "football issues" to Les, who imo doesn't look comfortable in this new role and probably doesn't get told the " true direction" of the club and therefore cannot give any information to the players.

I've been told Ralph has had longer meetings with the blokes selling the Saints books than he has had with some of the players. And we all know the HAPPY Players are 99% of the Club which is an area that Nicola was good at.
What the Don was very good at was generating a "Family spirit" with the players. What I mean with that is he asked about their partners, their children names & ages; how they were doing at school etc. This made the players feel they were WANTED here and probably had interest from other clubs (at higher wages) but it never made the papers because the players knew there was something special with this "family spirit". Compare that to "wreck it ralph" who has hardly spoken 2 words to some of the players... His management style is to delegate all "football issues" to Les, who imo doesn't look comfortable in this new role and probably doesn't get told the " true direction" of the club and therefore cannot give any information to the players. I've been told Ralph has had longer meetings with the blokes selling the Saints books than he has had with some of the players. And we all know the HAPPY Players are 99% of the Club which is an area that Nicola was good at. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 3

8:11am Thu 22 May 14

pitbull says...

If it is true, I don't understand why Lallana and Shaw would want to leave the club at the moment.
Shaw is 18, Lallana is 26. They have plenty of time to make enough money to retire from the game financially stable. It's not as though they are on the breadline with the poor wages that Southampton pay them. They'll still be millionaires at some point.
It would be more satisfying to earn a chance of Champions League football rather than playing in the competition through the effort of others.

With a few additions to the team, The Saints have a great chance of Champions League football, these players should stay and become part of history.
If it is true, I don't understand why Lallana and Shaw would want to leave the club at the moment. Shaw is 18, Lallana is 26. They have plenty of time to make enough money to retire from the game financially stable. It's not as though they are on the breadline with the poor wages that Southampton pay them. They'll still be millionaires at some point. It would be more satisfying to earn a chance of Champions League football rather than playing in the competition through the effort of others. With a few additions to the team, The Saints have a great chance of Champions League football, these players should stay and become part of history. pitbull
  • Score: 10

8:50am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
I don't know what's going on. What's happening ? Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

9:02am Thu 22 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

what indecision?

club policy is to not talk about transfers. That is what the club are doing.

get a clue DE - Silence DOES NOT = indecision.
what indecision? club policy is to not talk about transfers. That is what the club are doing. get a clue DE - Silence DOES NOT = indecision. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 13

9:09am Thu 22 May 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you. george chivers
  • Score: 0

9:19am Thu 22 May 14

Saddogitte says...

So the story about Cortese tearing up offers from other clubs in front of players is clearly untrue then as the other chairmen respected Cortese too much to make written offers LOL.
So the story about Cortese tearing up offers from other clubs in front of players is clearly untrue then as the other chairmen respected Cortese too much to make written offers LOL. Saddogitte
  • Score: 4

9:21am Thu 22 May 14

lowe esteem says...

C'mon Daily Echo -you MUST sit around dreaming up how to make a duplicitous sentence -and you've really done it this time- all your 'between the line' readers and 'no smoke without nothing' peddlers will be wetting themselves.
Just for you, and the other frail of mind who feed on your various distortions, and those who trust Cortese forever whoever:

Who knows whether he was 'indecisive', and who knows what may or may not be happening in this media vacuum?
You should, however, make it very clear, that: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THE CURRENT BOARD ARE BEING INDECISIVE.
You owe it to them, and your readership to make that VERY CLEAR at this time. As a local paper, Support them, give them, and us, a chance FFS!
In other words, to join our local siege mentality, are you with us, or ag'in' us? SAINTS FOREVER!
C'mon Daily Echo -you MUST sit around dreaming up how to make a duplicitous sentence -and you've really done it this time- all your 'between the line' readers and 'no smoke without nothing' peddlers will be wetting themselves. Just for you, and the other frail of mind who feed on your various distortions, and those who trust Cortese forever whoever: Who knows whether he was 'indecisive', and who knows what may or may not be happening in this media vacuum? You should, however, make it very clear, that: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THE CURRENT BOARD ARE BEING INDECISIVE. You owe it to them, and your readership to make that VERY CLEAR at this time. As a local paper, Support them, give them, and us, a chance FFS! In other words, to join our local siege mentality, are you with us, or ag'in' us? SAINTS FOREVER! lowe esteem
  • Score: 7

9:22am Thu 22 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
what indecision?

club policy is to not talk about transfers. That is what the club are doing.

get a clue DE - Silence DOES NOT = indecision.
My thoughts exactly.

Besides, how long did it take us to sign the likes of Gaston or Osvaldo? I don't remember Cortese giving us daily updates on how those protracted transfer sagas were going on. He waited until there was actually news to announce, and that's what the club is doing now.

I think we're all going to be pleasantly surprised, especially as far as Adam's concerned.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: what indecision? club policy is to not talk about transfers. That is what the club are doing. get a clue DE - Silence DOES NOT = indecision.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. Besides, how long did it take us to sign the likes of Gaston or Osvaldo? I don't remember Cortese giving us daily updates on how those protracted transfer sagas were going on. He waited until there was actually news to announce, and that's what the club is doing now. I think we're all going to be pleasantly surprised, especially as far as Adam's concerned. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 8

9:24am Thu 22 May 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
I think it's indecision but I can't be sure.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]I think it's indecision but I can't be sure. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 7

9:25am Thu 22 May 14

Rooflas says...

I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype.
I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype. Rooflas
  • Score: 0

9:54am Thu 22 May 14

Confucious says...

I can relate to Nicola as my vision for Saints is even greater than his. My clear ambition is not only not to sell any star players at all, but to sign lots of new mega stars as well and take us into a regular top four place, winning the Champions League at frequent intervals.

Although my vision is greater than Nicola's it's the same as Nicola's in that all the money required would come from somebody else who would not be able to interfere with my management decisions, but would pay me £1.2m a year to take them all myself.
I can relate to Nicola as my vision for Saints is even greater than his. My clear ambition is not only not to sell any star players at all, but to sign lots of new mega stars as well and take us into a regular top four place, winning the Champions League at frequent intervals. Although my vision is greater than Nicola's it's the same as Nicola's in that all the money required would come from somebody else who would not be able to interfere with my management decisions, but would pay me £1.2m a year to take them all myself. Confucious
  • Score: 4

10:32am Thu 22 May 14

andoru says...

pitbull wrote:
If it is true, I don't understand why Lallana and Shaw would want to leave the club at the moment.
Shaw is 18, Lallana is 26. They have plenty of time to make enough money to retire from the game financially stable. It's not as though they are on the breadline with the poor wages that Southampton pay them. They'll still be millionaires at some point.
It would be more satisfying to earn a chance of Champions League football rather than playing in the competition through the effort of others.

With a few additions to the team, The Saints have a great chance of Champions League football, these players should stay and become part of history.
Couldn't agree more about getting into the CL through the efforts of others. I've never understood how players who sign their way into trophies and titles feel any professional satisfaction. It's no achievement to join a team that was probably going to succeed without you anyway. It just pays better.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: If it is true, I don't understand why Lallana and Shaw would want to leave the club at the moment. Shaw is 18, Lallana is 26. They have plenty of time to make enough money to retire from the game financially stable. It's not as though they are on the breadline with the poor wages that Southampton pay them. They'll still be millionaires at some point. It would be more satisfying to earn a chance of Champions League football rather than playing in the competition through the effort of others. With a few additions to the team, The Saints have a great chance of Champions League football, these players should stay and become part of history.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more about getting into the CL through the efforts of others. I've never understood how players who sign their way into trophies and titles feel any professional satisfaction. It's no achievement to join a team that was probably going to succeed without you anyway. It just pays better. andoru
  • Score: 3

11:09am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.
You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame..
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.[/p][/quote]You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame.. Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

11:14am Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

am I missing something here? (probably as I usually do)
did NC ring all the chairmen of every other club in the football league and prem to tell them not to bid? is this why he only ever had polite enquiring phone calls? were chairmen of other clubs to scared to bid? is this why we couldn't sell players who weren't even on the outskirts of the first team, billy, tad lee, barnard, forte etc.
or is it that whilst we were climbing through the leagues and in our first season in the prem other clubs didn't really look at our players? yes some interest but who knows which clubs and for what players? once we started to play the football we did last season, getting to 3rd in the league and finishing 8th, and had players called up to their national squads, that's when the `big` clubs took notice. we all know that corky is one of our better players but the only attention hes supposed to have had is a £3mill bid from Swansea, why?

Its easy for NC to say `I wouldn't sell them` because he never had to deal with it. he did sell ox and was in the process of selling SRL to hoof until Osvaldo kicked off.
its wrong to suggest that we could only offer Ox 3rd tier football as he was in our L1 promotion winning team and left 2 days after the start of our promotion winning 2011-12 championship season. so in another year he could have been a prem player with saints.
Ox was convinced to leave by his fishy father Mark Chamberlain, who stated he was eager for his son to join Arsenal "as soon as possible" to "continue his development". NC could have stood firm but sold.
am I missing something here? (probably as I usually do) did NC ring all the chairmen of every other club in the football league and prem to tell them not to bid? is this why he only ever had polite enquiring phone calls? were chairmen of other clubs to scared to bid? is this why we couldn't sell players who weren't even on the outskirts of the first team, billy, tad lee, barnard, forte etc. or is it that whilst we were climbing through the leagues and in our first season in the prem other clubs didn't really look at our players? yes some interest but who knows which clubs and for what players? once we started to play the football we did last season, getting to 3rd in the league and finishing 8th, and had players called up to their national squads, that's when the `big` clubs took notice. we all know that corky is one of our better players but the only attention hes supposed to have had is a £3mill bid from Swansea, why? Its easy for NC to say `I wouldn't sell them` because he never had to deal with it. he did sell ox and was in the process of selling SRL to hoof until Osvaldo kicked off. its wrong to suggest that we could only offer Ox 3rd tier football as he was in our L1 promotion winning team and left 2 days after the start of our promotion winning 2011-12 championship season. so in another year he could have been a prem player with saints. Ox was convinced to leave by his fishy father Mark Chamberlain, who stated he was eager for his son to join Arsenal "as soon as possible" to "continue his development". NC could have stood firm but sold. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 22 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

11:20am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

I have nothing but praise for the DE coverage of births marriages and deaths, their coverage of local road accidents, flower shows, shool fetes and pet shows in unequalled locally. It is a good local newspaper in general terms along with the Hampshire Chroncile and that other shiny magaziine I see at the dentists Hampshire Society.

In football terms though it is generally as well informed as the local pub and anyone who has read the tabloids. It has no inside track at the club and its information is seldom more than self generated conversation points.
The level of sarcasm I offer up most of the time is on a par with the old joke about "Oh I see Glen Miller is still missing" Its fun to have a pop at them from time to time and that all there is to it. Anyone with an ounce of maturity, or who has stood on a football terrace for many years accepts this all in good spirit. Its part of being involved on these threads.

Now run along or there'll be riot.
I have nothing but praise for the DE coverage of births marriages and deaths, their coverage of local road accidents, flower shows, shool fetes and pet shows in unequalled locally. It is a good local newspaper in general terms along with the Hampshire Chroncile and that other shiny magaziine I see at the dentists Hampshire Society. In football terms though it is generally as well informed as the local pub and anyone who has read the tabloids. It has no inside track at the club and its information is seldom more than self generated conversation points. The level of sarcasm I offer up most of the time is on a par with the old joke about "Oh I see Glen Miller is still missing" Its fun to have a pop at them from time to time and that all there is to it. Anyone with an ounce of maturity, or who has stood on a football terrace for many years accepts this all in good spirit. Its part of being involved on these threads. Now run along or there'll be riot. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

11:38am Thu 22 May 14

redsnapper says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I have nothing but praise for the DE coverage of births marriages and deaths, their coverage of local road accidents, flower shows, shool fetes and pet shows in unequalled locally. It is a good local newspaper in general terms along with the Hampshire Chroncile and that other shiny magaziine I see at the dentists Hampshire Society.

In football terms though it is generally as well informed as the local pub and anyone who has read the tabloids. It has no inside track at the club and its information is seldom more than self generated conversation points.
The level of sarcasm I offer up most of the time is on a par with the old joke about "Oh I see Glen Miller is still missing" Its fun to have a pop at them from time to time and that all there is to it. Anyone with an ounce of maturity, or who has stood on a football terrace for many years accepts this all in good spirit. Its part of being involved on these threads.

Now run along or there'll be riot.
I suspect they have been blackballed again by all at SO14. Absolutely no surprise as they consistently print negative garbage about the club which they only google from the national rags.
Bring back Bob Brunskell :-) and send Leitch and Co off to the Portsmouth Evening Snooze.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I have nothing but praise for the DE coverage of births marriages and deaths, their coverage of local road accidents, flower shows, shool fetes and pet shows in unequalled locally. It is a good local newspaper in general terms along with the Hampshire Chroncile and that other shiny magaziine I see at the dentists Hampshire Society. In football terms though it is generally as well informed as the local pub and anyone who has read the tabloids. It has no inside track at the club and its information is seldom more than self generated conversation points. The level of sarcasm I offer up most of the time is on a par with the old joke about "Oh I see Glen Miller is still missing" Its fun to have a pop at them from time to time and that all there is to it. Anyone with an ounce of maturity, or who has stood on a football terrace for many years accepts this all in good spirit. Its part of being involved on these threads. Now run along or there'll be riot.[/p][/quote]I suspect they have been blackballed again by all at SO14. Absolutely no surprise as they consistently print negative garbage about the club which they only google from the national rags. Bring back Bob Brunskell :-) and send Leitch and Co off to the Portsmouth Evening Snooze. redsnapper
  • Score: 3

11:58am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup.
Another one with the hump.
Diddums.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Another one with the hump. Diddums. Alicesdad
  • Score: -3

12:05pm Thu 22 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup.
Another one with the hump.
Diddums.
How did you know my school nickname was Quasimodo?
That's very insensitive.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Nothing..go back to bed. Set your alarm for after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Another one with the hump. Diddums.[/p][/quote]How did you know my school nickname was Quasimodo? That's very insensitive. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Thu 22 May 14

norman philbey says...

Cumbrian Saint writes
I would recommend Luke Shaw and any other young Saint thinking of jumping ship to read a tribute to Jonny Wilkinson which appeared in the "Times" this morning.. The former Irish captain and Lions team mate, Keith Wood, tells how when Jonny wilkinson was a very young player but a recently capped international he tried to persuade Jonny to leave Newcastle for Harlequins.
Jonny Wilkinson said " I am going to stay here for a while.They have been good to me".
Loyalty is in short commodity these days but it was something Matt le Tissier always displayed. There is plenty of time to repay Saints for what they have done to bring these young players on and give them the opportunities in the Premier League before considering moving
elsewhere in some years' time if all does not work out as hoped.
Cumbrian Saint writes I would recommend Luke Shaw and any other young Saint thinking of jumping ship to read a tribute to Jonny Wilkinson which appeared in the "Times" this morning.. The former Irish captain and Lions team mate, Keith Wood, tells how when Jonny wilkinson was a very young player but a recently capped international he tried to persuade Jonny to leave Newcastle for Harlequins. Jonny Wilkinson said " I am going to stay here for a while.They have been good to me". Loyalty is in short commodity these days but it was something Matt le Tissier always displayed. There is plenty of time to repay Saints for what they have done to bring these young players on and give them the opportunities in the Premier League before considering moving elsewhere in some years' time if all does not work out as hoped. norman philbey
  • Score: 0

2:23pm Thu 22 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Alicesdad wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.
You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame..
Personally I just think George needs to check the fuse in his irony detector
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.[/p][/quote]You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame..[/p][/quote]Personally I just think George needs to check the fuse in his irony detector Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 3

2:42pm Thu 22 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Rooflas wrote:
I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype.
We don't know but it may well have been the vision was always Cortese's and he simply persuaded Markus to back it financially. If that was the case then losing the visionary could lead to a pack of cards collapse off the whole thing.

Whether other chairman didn't bid because of respect for Cortese I know not. But I do know that when Ralph used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' he opened a can of worms. It would have been tough anyway but he invited the pack on to us with those foolish statements.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype.[/p][/quote]We don't know but it may well have been the vision was always Cortese's and he simply persuaded Markus to back it financially. If that was the case then losing the visionary could lead to a pack of cards collapse off the whole thing. Whether other chairman didn't bid because of respect for Cortese I know not. But I do know that when Ralph used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' he opened a can of worms. It would have been tough anyway but he invited the pack on to us with those foolish statements. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

2:57pm Thu 22 May 14

Rooflas says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype.
We don't know but it may well have been the vision was always Cortese's and he simply persuaded Markus to back it financially. If that was the case then losing the visionary could lead to a pack of cards collapse off the whole thing.

Whether other chairman didn't bid because of respect for Cortese I know not. But I do know that when Ralph used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' he opened a can of worms. It would have been tough anyway but he invited the pack on to us with those foolish statements.
Only time will tell, doesn't stop the fact that him giving this interview is a little low class, he expected managers not to comment when they left and indeed they haven't. Did he really have to do an interview? I don't really think so.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: I'm glad cortèse is no longer any thing to do with the club, the club don't talk about him so why does he talk about us? This interview for me confirms what kind of person he is, he clearly still needs us. He hasn't got any respect unlike past managers, pardew and Adkins who politely get on with their new positions. If he had a shred of decency he would not be fueling media hype.[/p][/quote]We don't know but it may well have been the vision was always Cortese's and he simply persuaded Markus to back it financially. If that was the case then losing the visionary could lead to a pack of cards collapse off the whole thing. Whether other chairman didn't bid because of respect for Cortese I know not. But I do know that when Ralph used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' he opened a can of worms. It would have been tough anyway but he invited the pack on to us with those foolish statements.[/p][/quote]Only time will tell, doesn't stop the fact that him giving this interview is a little low class, he expected managers not to comment when they left and indeed they haven't. Did he really have to do an interview? I don't really think so. Rooflas
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Thu 22 May 14

george chivers says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on.
What's happening ?
Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.
You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame..
Personally I just think George needs to check the fuse in his irony detector
Like that.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on. What's happening ?[/p][/quote]Read the DE and find out. Oh you have that's why your posting on here. Best not to bother then it seems to confuse you.[/p][/quote]You really have got the hump haven't you..Shame..[/p][/quote]Personally I just think George needs to check the fuse in his irony detector[/p][/quote]Like that. george chivers
  • Score: 1

4:21pm Thu 22 May 14

hedge end bob says...

Rooflas wrote:
red&whiteisforli

fe
wrote:
'' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.''
... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present.
Worthy point, however this action would need back up from other clubs. Players would be put off joining us.
But would we want players that are reay to leave at the first chance they have to leav again???
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whiteisforli fe[/bold] wrote: '' If Shaw and Lallana want to leave – and we have yet to hear them say that – then all Saints can do is try and get as much cash for them as possible.'' ... No no, no! We don't, they are under long contracts. There is nothing to lose at present, tell them 'play in Saints first team or in the reserves your choice' if you choose the latter then Im sure it will do your England career wonders. If Saints don't need the money, only the player loses. After all they were mire than happy to sign new contracts not that long ago. I'm sick and tired if football players nit honouring contracts, I dont even see a need to improve their existing deals at present.[/p][/quote]Worthy point, however this action would need back up from other clubs. Players would be put off joining us.[/p][/quote]But would we want players that are reay to leave at the first chance they have to leav again??? hedge end bob
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Thu 22 May 14

jasons odd says...

Cortese was the best thing to happen to Southampton fc since ....? ...since lawrie McMenamy probably .

We will be sorry Cortese left
Cortese was the best thing to happen to Southampton fc since ....? ...since lawrie McMenamy probably . We will be sorry Cortese left jasons odd
  • Score: 2

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