Southampton confirm their first batch of pre-season friendlies

Daily Echo: Saints announce pre-season fixtures Saints announce pre-season fixtures

Saints have announced pre-season fixtures against Swindon, Bournemouth and Brighton.

The club this morning confirmed their first batch of friendly games for this summer.

They will begin with a trip to Swindon on Monday, July 21 (7.30pm kick-off).

That will be followed by a visit to the Cherries, which takes place on Friday, July 25 (7.45pm kick-off).

They will then face Brighton at the Amex Stadium on Thursday, July 31 (7.45pm kick-off).

The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course.

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9:23am Thu 5 Jun 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????
Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ??????????????? SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: -11

9:29am Thu 5 Jun 14

JohnItaly says...

Against Bournemouth, Brighton & Swindon not so sure how "friendly" they will be with all of them very keen to get one over on their Premiership side neighbour.
Against Bournemouth, Brighton & Swindon not so sure how "friendly" they will be with all of them very keen to get one over on their Premiership side neighbour. JohnItaly
  • Score: 10

10:17am Thu 5 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Against Bournemouth, Brighton & Swindon not so sure how "friendly" they will be with all of them very keen to get one over on their Premiership side neighbour.
Thats a good thing though isn't it?
I went to the real sociedad game last pre-season and ended up as just a training session. We need our players to be challenged so they are ready for the prem.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: Against Bournemouth, Brighton & Swindon not so sure how "friendly" they will be with all of them very keen to get one over on their Premiership side neighbour.[/p][/quote]Thats a good thing though isn't it? I went to the real sociedad game last pre-season and ended up as just a training session. We need our players to be challenged so they are ready for the prem. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 13

11:00am Thu 5 Jun 14

insane saint says...

not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year??????



i might be wrong but???????
not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year?????? i might be wrong but??????? insane saint
  • Score: -16

11:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

durhamsaint87 says...

Could our under-10's show poopy how to play a pre-season game.
Could our under-10's show poopy how to play a pre-season game. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 5

11:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

andysaints007 says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????
PRATT
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????[/p][/quote]PRATT andysaints007
  • Score: 3

11:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

insane saint wrote:
not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year??????



i might be wrong but???????
Last year you never had the world cup, so it is not really worthwhile traveling around Europe with half a squad, most of them will get extra time off when they come back from Brazil. The games against these three will be more competitive because they will go all out to try and put one over on saints.COYR.
[quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year?????? i might be wrong but???????[/p][/quote]Last year you never had the world cup, so it is not really worthwhile traveling around Europe with half a squad, most of them will get extra time off when they come back from Brazil. The games against these three will be more competitive because they will go all out to try and put one over on saints.COYR. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 21

11:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

FIGHT AND WIN.

More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum.

THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.
FIGHT AND WIN. More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum. THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 7

11:22am Thu 5 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Should the title not read "Lamberts old club to take on Cherries"
Should the title not read "Lamberts old club to take on Cherries" Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

Are the club getting in practice for when we are playing these teams in league matches?
Are the club getting in practice for when we are playing these teams in league matches? echo1948
  • Score: -15

12:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

hedge end bob says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
FIGHT AND WIN.

More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum.

THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.
Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum. THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts. hedge end bob
  • Score: 4

1:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

andysaints007 wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????
PRATT
^OSSER.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????[/p][/quote]PRATT[/p][/quote]^OSSER. SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: -2

1:44pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Outside of the Box says...

Looking forward to these 3, Swindon Bournemouth and Brighton fans are always so welcoming to us Saints fans. Lovren It
Looking forward to these 3, Swindon Bournemouth and Brighton fans are always so welcoming to us Saints fans. Lovren It Outside of the Box
  • Score: 3

2:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

richard903 says...

Super saints south coast tour! its got a ring to it, If we could get a game against Plymouth & the skates it would be perfect. On other things not keen on Felix would prefer Moyse and I dont want Moyse. Lets hope the board pull some thing special out of the hat. I dont know how to spell his name and being dyslexic dosent help but the former chelski and monoco manager Cloudio Rainer would be my choice! he is out of work but expensive
Super saints south coast tour! its got a ring to it, If we could get a game against Plymouth & the skates it would be perfect. On other things not keen on Felix would prefer Moyse and I dont want Moyse. Lets hope the board pull some thing special out of the hat. I dont know how to spell his name and being dyslexic dosent help but the former chelski and monoco manager Cloudio Rainer would be my choice! he is out of work but expensive richard903
  • Score: -1

2:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

hedge end bob wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum. THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.
Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts.
hedge end bob - may be wrong but I thought White Hart Lane and Goodison Ground capacities are only in the 35,000+

Surely we can compete with these Teams - STAGE 1

And then get more capacity to add on sections at a time at ST MARY'S - STAGE 2.

GOT TO BE WORTH DISCUSSING WITH OWNER AS THE TRUE WAY AHEAD.

This Season - Season High of 3rd - Season Finish of 8th.

LET THE FOOTBALL DO THE TALKING - AND SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE AFTER IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum. THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts.[/p][/quote]hedge end bob - may be wrong but I thought White Hart Lane and Goodison Ground capacities are only in the 35,000+ Surely we can compete with these Teams - STAGE 1 And then get more capacity to add on sections at a time at ST MARY'S - STAGE 2. GOT TO BE WORTH DISCUSSING WITH OWNER AS THE TRUE WAY AHEAD. This Season - Season High of 3rd - Season Finish of 8th. LET THE FOOTBALL DO THE TALKING - AND SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE AFTER IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

2:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????
just think reserve team,cant go wrong.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Be nice to KNOW who our manager and players will be . Before the matches announced ???????????????[/p][/quote]just think reserve team,cant go wrong. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

F Fan says...

insane saint wrote:
not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year??????



i might be wrong but???????
What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand?
[quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year?????? i might be wrong but???????[/p][/quote]What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand? F Fan
  • Score: 7

3:57pm Thu 5 Jun 14

tbilisi saint carl says...

you don't suppose our next manager will be coming from one of these 3 clubs do yeh :( and as part of the deal he has arranged a friendly with them @_@
you don't suppose our next manager will be coming from one of these 3 clubs do yeh :( and as part of the deal he has arranged a friendly with them @_@ tbilisi saint carl
  • Score: -5

6:59pm Thu 5 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

F Fan wrote:
insane saint wrote:
not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year??????



i might be wrong but???????
What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand?
I think the concern being expressed is that the next batch won't necessarily be against decent eye catching opposition. This board IN MY OPINION are not covering themselves in much glory. I don't understand why they are giving SOME of us fans the idea that they don't care. I can understand and accept that a tour in a world cup year may not be practical but the friendlies announced aren't in my opinion the sort of fixtures that prepare you adequately for a premier league season. Even under Cortese we didn't have prestige friendlies so it would be nice if we could get a bigger European team to St Mary's Borussia Dortmund, Juventus or AC Milan would be my choice.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year?????? i might be wrong but???????[/p][/quote]What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand?[/p][/quote]I think the concern being expressed is that the next batch won't necessarily be against decent eye catching opposition. This board IN MY OPINION are not covering themselves in much glory. I don't understand why they are giving SOME of us fans the idea that they don't care. I can understand and accept that a tour in a world cup year may not be practical but the friendlies announced aren't in my opinion the sort of fixtures that prepare you adequately for a premier league season. Even under Cortese we didn't have prestige friendlies so it would be nice if we could get a bigger European team to St Mary's Borussia Dortmund, Juventus or AC Milan would be my choice. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 1

7:35pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Redslo says...

This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain.

For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing.

According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660.

Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782.

Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.)
These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way.
Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m.

Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m.
So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m.
Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic.
The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC

I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level.
This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain. For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing. According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660. Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782. Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.) These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way. Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m. Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m. So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m. Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic. The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level. Redslo
  • Score: -3

7:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Redslo says...

I apologize for the poor paragraph formatting in my previous post.
I apologize for the poor paragraph formatting in my previous post. Redslo
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Redslo wrote:
I apologize for the poor paragraph formatting in my previous post.
I'll reply to this one rather than the previous one to avoid clogging up the thread, but I do think you have a point. Ideally we'd be doing a preseason tour of China because if there's one place to build a fan base it's there.

However, we have issues caused by the World Cup and the fact we're in a period of massive transition and have all sorts of things to sort out at home that make this impossible. That said, I would hope that next summer we're all over China because Ralph is right: we need to be doing so much more to build up our commercial proposition to put us in contention for the next ten years. That side of things is more important than MoPo or Adam or Luke, even if it's deeply unsexy to the fans.
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I apologize for the poor paragraph formatting in my previous post.[/p][/quote]I'll reply to this one rather than the previous one to avoid clogging up the thread, but I do think you have a point. Ideally we'd be doing a preseason tour of China because if there's one place to build a fan base it's there. However, we have issues caused by the World Cup and the fact we're in a period of massive transition and have all sorts of things to sort out at home that make this impossible. That said, I would hope that next summer we're all over China because Ralph is right: we need to be doing so much more to build up our commercial proposition to put us in contention for the next ten years. That side of things is more important than MoPo or Adam or Luke, even if it's deeply unsexy to the fans. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 1

10:23pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Tirau Dan says...

These are old school local toughly fought games to sharp our wits and skills and neighbourly relations. Good job.. Wonder if we will have a marquee game? And the Tounament?
These are old school local toughly fought games to sharp our wits and skills and neighbourly relations. Good job.. Wonder if we will have a marquee game? And the Tounament? Tirau Dan
  • Score: 0

10:54pm Thu 5 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

What a disappointment. Brighton fans were hoping for a game against a big club.
What a disappointment. Brighton fans were hoping for a game against a big club. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 0

1:30am Fri 6 Jun 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Redslo wrote:
This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain.

For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing.

According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660.

Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782.

Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.)
These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way.
Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m.

Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m.
So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m.
Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic.
The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC

I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level.
Thank you, you have cured my insomnia!
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain. For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing. According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660. Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782. Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.) These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way. Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m. Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m. So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m. Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic. The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level.[/p][/quote]Thank you, you have cured my insomnia! 100%HANTSBOY
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12:39pm Sat 7 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

hedge end bob wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
FIGHT AND WIN.

More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum.

THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.
Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts.
Expect you wanted the 25,000 'shared' stadium at Stoneham then, move on.

Hopefully the board, with all their non-footballing talents, will be working on all potential revenue streams to further develop the club.
The matchday turnout, with all it's attendant add-ons like hospitality, merchandise and catering is not an insignificant part, and we all have to look at the bigger picture if we want to breathe the same air as the "big boys"- personally, I think it stinks.

Saints Forever.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. More than ever - SAINTS Fans need to make sure their voices are heard over the current issues. There is no better way than posting on this site and the Saints Web Forum. THE BOARD are capable talented individuals ( we are told) - so surely they can collectively work out a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODEL which includes increases in Player Wages - Keeping our Star Players - Paying a TOP MANAGER and providing Stability and progressing this Club. Everton and Spurs manage it quite well and we are aiming to compete with them for EUROPE.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say mate but in the cold light of day it will not happen unless Katharina is willing too bank roll the club. The club will not be able to meet the exspence on our gate money alone. We would need ST MARY'S to hold at least fifty thousand fans. The gound was built in wrong location and not big enough. Not being negative mate, just looking at the facts.[/p][/quote]Expect you wanted the 25,000 'shared' stadium at Stoneham then, move on. Hopefully the board, with all their non-footballing talents, will be working on all potential revenue streams to further develop the club. The matchday turnout, with all it's attendant add-ons like hospitality, merchandise and catering is not an insignificant part, and we all have to look at the bigger picture if we want to breathe the same air as the "big boys"- personally, I think it stinks. Saints Forever. lowe esteem
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12:41pm Sat 7 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

F Fan wrote:
insane saint wrote:
not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year??????



i might be wrong but???????
What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand?
Yes indeed.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: not to sound dour but this smacks of money problems.... think where we went last year?????? i might be wrong but???????[/p][/quote]What bit of "The club will be announcing further pre-season dates in due course." didn't you understand?[/p][/quote]Yes indeed. lowe esteem
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12:43pm Sat 7 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Redslo wrote:
This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain.

For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing.

According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660.

Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782.

Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.)
These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way.
Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m.

Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m.
So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m.
Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic.
The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC

I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level.
Thank you, you have cured my insomnia!
£ or football or ? seems to be the choice confronting all of us at the moment doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: This article reflects one of the biggest problems we face in progressing to a higher level. Our preseason fixtures are worthless in terms of bringing in money. I will explain. For the record, I am using information from Football Manager 2014 for the Saints’ Fixtures and real world ticketing sites for the others. The average ticket prices are an estimate from the available tickets. My calculations are far from exact but exactness will not matter much to make my point. I will do some rounding off of the amounts. Also, I am calculating total ticket revenue for the games. Obviously, this will have to be split between the various parties and I have no way of knowing what the split would be. I am ignoring revenue for other things like parking and food sales. In the US, both are substantial money makers. Money amounts are in pounds but because I am American I don’t have one of the L things for pounds and using a $ would be confusing. According to Football manager Swindon has a seating capacity of 14983 and an average ticket price of 20 for a total possible revenue from the game of 299,660. Bournemouth has a seating capacity of 12081 and an average ticket price of 22 for a total possible revenue of 265782. Brighton has a seating capacity of 30303 and an average ticket price of 30 for a total possible revenue of 909090. (I note in passing the clear implications for promotion for these teams. It is hard to see how Bournemouth or Swindon could be sustainable in the premier league.) These figures can be compared with those for some of our competition. My calculations assume that their games will sell out. Not all of them will, of course. I have estimated the average ticket prices as best I can but my estimates are not exact and undoubtedly wrong. I don’t think that my mistakes effect the conclusion in any way. Liverpool has four preseason friendlies in the United States. Roma on July 23 at Fenway park. Fenway has a capacity of 37,400 with an average ticket price of 78 for a total revenue of 2.9 million (hereafter 2.9m). Olympiacos FC on July 27 at Soldier Field with a capacity of 61,500 and an average ticket price of 66 for a total of 4.1m, Manchester City on July 30 at Yankee Stadium with a capacity of 50291 and an average ticket price of 90 for total revenue of 4.5m. AC Milan on August 2 at Bank of America Stadium with a seating capacity of 73,298 and average ticket price of 55 for total revenue of 4m. Manchester united also has four US friendlies scheduled. July 23 against the LA Galaxy in the Rose Bowl with a capacity of 92,542 and a ticket price of 72 for total revenue of 6.7m. Roma on July 26 at Sports Authority Stadium with a capacity of 76,125 and a ticket price of 60 for total revenue of 4.6m. Inter on July 29 at FedEx stadium with a capacity of 79000 and a ticket price of 69 for total revenue of 5.5m. Real Madrid on August 2 at Michigan Stadium with a capacity of 109,901 and an average ticket price of 150 (this price seems high to me but it is what the web site suggested—maybe the cheaper seats have already sold or maybe its REAL MADRID) for a total revenue of 16.5m. So total revenue possible for our three games: 1.5m. Liverpool: 15.5m. MU 33.3m. Of course, Liverpool and MU have the most lucrative friendly schedule—although Mancity is close. Other teams are not so enterprising or popular, but still doing more than we are. Newcastle, for example, is going to Australia which will undoubtedly make them money but not on the same level as a trip to the US. Tottenham has games lined up against three major league soccer teams plus Celtic. The point of all this is that it will be difficult to compete unless we find more revenue and scheduling three friendlies against local opponents with smaller stadiums is not the way to go. A better option, for example, would have been to use the favorable publicity in Canada from the appointment of Ralph Krueger to schedule friendlies against Toronto FC and Vancouver. Instead, Tottenham is playing Toronto FC I acknowledge that our friendly schedule has not been fully announced, but neither has anyone elses’ and the games that have been announced are in the time frame where a trip to the US would have been possible. And, of course, I have no idea if better options were available. Maybe the US soccer teams said no thank you to our friendly proposals. Certainly we cannot expect Mancity to invite us to play them at Yankee Stadium—at least not this year. I also recognize that the primary purpose of the preseason friendlies is to get the team ready for the regular season and these local friendlies will probably do that job just fine. But surely there were available opponents who would have generated more money that the three we picked. We cannot afford to leave money on the table if we want to compete at a higher level.[/p][/quote]Thank you, you have cured my insomnia![/p][/quote]£ or football or ? seems to be the choice confronting all of us at the moment doesn't it? lowe esteem
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