COMMENT: Lallana should have had a greater England role

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana Adam Lallana

England are deluding themselves if they try and claim that only a world class striker stood between them and victory against Uruguay. They were also partly masters of their own downfall.

And that includes Roy Hodgson on this occasion.

The England manager made a huge error in not using Saints captain Adam Lallana far more prominently in Sao Paulo last night.

Lallana was finally introduced to the action on 71 minutes, but that was far too short a time to give him a realistic chance to have a game changing impact.

England were crying out to have Lallana on the field so much earlier than that.

Even if you accept for a moment Hodgson’s decision not to start with him – and there has to be a real question mark over whether picking Danny Welbeck instead has really worked – he had to come on earlier.

There was an argument to make the change at half time.

It was already obvious by that point that England were not keeping the ball as effectively as they might like, and that they needed a different option.

They did create fleetingly from wide areas, but didn’t often look like scoring as it’s all very well attacking down the flanks but then you need a target man in the box to finish the chances.

Lallana not only helps you retain possession but has that extra bit of magic to open up sides.

There is nothing predictable about his play, as was the general style with England, and you can play more centrally, which suits the strikers England had on the pitch far more.

He drops into the space between the lines and pulls players all over the place, creating for himself and space for others to exploit.

The game was already way too frantic by 71 minutes, and any player will struggle to have much of a significant impact so deep into a match.

If Hodgson were to have bided his time with Lallana he should have been the first change after an hour rather than Ross Barkley, who was ineffective.

That, coupled with England’s at times awful defending, meant they contributed to their downfall.

If the first goal was the product of a world class pass and a world class finish that could have been defended better, the second was just horrible.

To concede from a straight punt downfield from the keeper is shocking. It’s real schoolboy stuff, no matter how good the striker finishing it is and how well he gambled on that accidental Steven Gerrard flick on.

Rickie Lambert got all of a couple of minutes, which was also a little baffling as at least he provided that penalty area presence so needed when you play for width and crosses into the box.

Luke Shaw predictably didn’t get a look in, while Gaston Ramirez wasn’t needed for Uruguay.

England are now staring down the barrel.

They can still qualify, but they are relying on favours from elsewhere, and they still have to beat Costa Rica too.

But unless they learn from their mistakes, and that includes surely now a start for Lallana in the next game, then they aren’t going to get much further anyway.

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7:07am Fri 20 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

and Lambert/Shaw
and Lambert/Shaw aldermoorboy
  • Score: 5

7:11am Fri 20 Jun 14

chapellady says...

But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week..... chapellady
  • Score: 73

7:22am Fri 20 Jun 14

Saint_rob says...

chapellady wrote:
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side.
Funny that......
[quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....[/p][/quote]Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side. Funny that...... Saint_rob
  • Score: 76

7:33am Fri 20 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Saint_rob wrote:
chapellady wrote:
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side.
Funny that......
Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals.
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....[/p][/quote]Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side. Funny that......[/p][/quote]Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals. Clever Dick
  • Score: 75

7:38am Fri 20 Jun 14

Saint_rob says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Saint_rob wrote:
chapellady wrote:
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side.
Funny that......
Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals.
Agree.
It just amazes me how every footie fan can see this but not the English
Manager?
Most people would agree that Roy should have begged John Terry to go?
Like him or not he is a Leader and would control the defensive side of the game.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....[/p][/quote]Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side. Funny that......[/p][/quote]Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals.[/p][/quote]Agree. It just amazes me how every footie fan can see this but not the English Manager? Most people would agree that Roy should have begged John Terry to go? Like him or not he is a Leader and would control the defensive side of the game. Saint_rob
  • Score: 32

7:55am Fri 20 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Think we would mostly agree for once with DE summary of last night's debacle.

Far too many individuals trying to do their own thing instead of working together, and almost zero creativity in the middle.

A good TEAM is always better than a collection of individuals, no matter how gifted, something England consistently get wrong when compared to the likes of Germany (and almost every other team one could mention).

One good thing - Adam and Luke can get back to a proper football team sooner than expected and hopefully get their heads out of the clouds. We shall see.
Think we would mostly agree for once with DE summary of last night's debacle. Far too many individuals trying to do their own thing instead of working together, and almost zero creativity in the middle. A good TEAM is always better than a collection of individuals, no matter how gifted, something England consistently get wrong when compared to the likes of Germany (and almost every other team one could mention). One good thing - Adam and Luke can get back to a proper football team sooner than expected and hopefully get their heads out of the clouds. We shall see. saint christopher
  • Score: 37

8:03am Fri 20 Jun 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie.
Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic.
Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice.
Luke was in the boat behind being towed.
And Jay, luckily missed the boat.

Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed.
THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY!
I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much.
BL££DING disgrace.
Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!! I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie. Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic. Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice. Luke was in the boat behind being towed. And Jay, luckily missed the boat. Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed. THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY! I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much. BL££DING disgrace. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 43

8:07am Fri 20 Jun 14

Holly the Dog says...

How many times did Baines get to the level of the penalty box and then pass inside rather than go to the goal line, at least Shaw drives into the box
How many times did Baines get to the level of the penalty box and then pass inside rather than go to the goal line, at least Shaw drives into the box Holly the Dog
  • Score: 37

8:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

SaintinCanada says...

With Suarez surely now off to to Madrid, Liverpool can only offer 3 games of CL football.....and the chance of club solvency. At least SRL will get the final pay-cheque that he thoroughly deserves.
With Suarez surely now off to to Madrid, Liverpool can only offer 3 games of CL football.....and the chance of club solvency. At least SRL will get the final pay-cheque that he thoroughly deserves. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 22

8:18am Fri 20 Jun 14

AdamG10 says...

Agree with this article. England's most creative player left on the bench until it was too late. Our defence was awful and I thought Gerrard was shocking. A certain Mr Jack Cork would of been a better selection for that role in my opinion.
Agree with this article. England's most creative player left on the bench until it was too late. Our defence was awful and I thought Gerrard was shocking. A certain Mr Jack Cork would of been a better selection for that role in my opinion. AdamG10
  • Score: 53

8:29am Fri 20 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Stevie g was ordinary in both games and should take most of the flak.
He is not international class and never has been.the difference between him and pirlo was there for all to see.englands back four sat way to deep and allowed cavani and Suarez to operate in the gaps.
Adam will be the best England player in future and should have started.i think shaw should have started the Italy game to counter act the young full back they had down that side who made baines stay back.
Oh well it will take a miracle from here.
Stevie g was ordinary in both games and should take most of the flak. He is not international class and never has been.the difference between him and pirlo was there for all to see.englands back four sat way to deep and allowed cavani and Suarez to operate in the gaps. Adam will be the best England player in future and should have started.i think shaw should have started the Italy game to counter act the young full back they had down that side who made baines stay back. Oh well it will take a miracle from here. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 26

8:50am Fri 20 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

Pochettino for England
Pochettino for England Jesus_02
  • Score: -16

8:58am Fri 20 Jun 14

express_a_view says...

The selection approach of the England manager sadly sums up why the Saints players are tempted to move to Liverpool or Man United. To get into the national side it seems to some that you get preferential treatment if you play for one of these two sides. The Wellbeck selection ahead of Lallana is a classic example of this.

Football desperately needs to break up this "big club" cartel on England selection. Our only World Cup winning side was selected on player quality not club allegiance with players drawn from 8 club sides. Sadly, much as I like Roy Hodgson he is no Sir Alf Ramsey - a man who was not buffeted by the clamour of the media nor influenced by cliques. On cliques some might query how many of the Liverpool and Man Utd players who were selected owe their place to the club allegiance of Messrs Gerrard and Neville?

I desperately hope that RK persuades our current, and future, England players to stay and that SFC continue with their approach of developing English players to take their rightful place in national teams on individual merit. I also hope he can inspire some Dutch flair into English players so that we can break free of the current predictability of England's build up play. If the FA had an iota of common sense they would see that what is being done at SFC needs nurturing and encouragement. That it is only when all Premier League teams adopt the SFC approach that we will have a pool of English players from which to select a decent England team.
The selection approach of the England manager sadly sums up why the Saints players are tempted to move to Liverpool or Man United. To get into the national side it seems to some that you get preferential treatment if you play for one of these two sides. The Wellbeck selection ahead of Lallana is a classic example of this. Football desperately needs to break up this "big club" cartel on England selection. Our only World Cup winning side was selected on player quality not club allegiance with players drawn from 8 club sides. Sadly, much as I like Roy Hodgson he is no Sir Alf Ramsey - a man who was not buffeted by the clamour of the media nor influenced by cliques. On cliques some might query how many of the Liverpool and Man Utd players who were selected owe their place to the club allegiance of Messrs Gerrard and Neville? I desperately hope that RK persuades our current, and future, England players to stay and that SFC continue with their approach of developing English players to take their rightful place in national teams on individual merit. I also hope he can inspire some Dutch flair into English players so that we can break free of the current predictability of England's build up play. If the FA had an iota of common sense they would see that what is being done at SFC needs nurturing and encouragement. That it is only when all Premier League teams adopt the SFC approach that we will have a pool of English players from which to select a decent England team. express_a_view
  • Score: 49

8:59am Fri 20 Jun 14

saintsfan76 says...

The style of play for England was changed for the Uruquay match. All to accomodate one Wayne Rooney. That meant the style of play against Italy was missing. We were not nearly as fluent even though we lost that match as well. Leading up to the World Cup Roy bought a lot of the best players from last season into the squad. Most pundits agreed on a start for Lallana so why wasnt Roy brave enough to do this. Very deflated like most England fans today. Football is a team game and not about individuals.
The style of play for England was changed for the Uruquay match. All to accomodate one Wayne Rooney. That meant the style of play against Italy was missing. We were not nearly as fluent even though we lost that match as well. Leading up to the World Cup Roy bought a lot of the best players from last season into the squad. Most pundits agreed on a start for Lallana so why wasnt Roy brave enough to do this. Very deflated like most England fans today. Football is a team game and not about individuals. saintsfan76
  • Score: 28

9:03am Fri 20 Jun 14

Home Rule for England says...

What on earth was Hodgson thinking about bringing Rickie Lambert on at87 minutes? Maybe he was hoping he would repeat his scoring against Scotland in his first minute on the pitch.
He needs to play Lallana and Lambert from the start against Costa Rica. Let Southampton show Liverpool how to do it!
What on earth was Hodgson thinking about bringing Rickie Lambert on at87 minutes? Maybe he was hoping he would repeat his scoring against Scotland in his first minute on the pitch. He needs to play Lallana and Lambert from the start against Costa Rica. Let Southampton show Liverpool how to do it! Home Rule for England
  • Score: 41

9:04am Fri 20 Jun 14

Poole Tom says...

The fact is that it is now two World Cups in a row that we have`nt been able to defend a straight forward hoof out by the opposing goalkeeper.Until that changes it is academic who we pick to play in the attacking positions.
The fact is that it is now two World Cups in a row that we have`nt been able to defend a straight forward hoof out by the opposing goalkeeper.Until that changes it is academic who we pick to play in the attacking positions. Poole Tom
  • Score: 14

9:05am Fri 20 Jun 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Another impossibly bad and sad England performance.

I don't have the words to describe the predictability of it all.

Wrong team choice, obviously 2nd rate players and the Manager with no idea or plan "B".

I know we're all impossibly blinkered but it should be made a golden rule that only Southampton players or Saints Academy players get the first 6 places in the team and the other clubs can fill in the gaps.

Now that's a plan "B"
Another impossibly bad and sad England performance. I don't have the words to describe the predictability of it all. Wrong team choice, obviously 2nd rate players and the Manager with no idea or plan "B". I know we're all impossibly blinkered but it should be made a golden rule that only Southampton players or Saints Academy players get the first 6 places in the team and the other clubs can fill in the gaps. Now that's a plan "B" Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 16

9:08am Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

As much as I have a downer on Lallana for the way he conducts his business, I have to agree - he could not have been worse that anything else one the pitch and maybe Shaw could've done better at LB also. Cole should've gone and been used, maybe Terry and Ferdinand too. Struggling to see who could've been our main striker. JRod maybe if he wasn't crocked but who else. The Ox could've done a job too but every time we were attacked it looked like poor old Hart was being laid out on the altar for a sacrifice. A shambles.
As much as I have a downer on Lallana for the way he conducts his business, I have to agree - he could not have been worse that anything else one the pitch and maybe Shaw could've done better at LB also. Cole should've gone and been used, maybe Terry and Ferdinand too. Struggling to see who could've been our main striker. JRod maybe if he wasn't crocked but who else. The Ox could've done a job too but every time we were attacked it looked like poor old Hart was being laid out on the altar for a sacrifice. A shambles. jls217
  • Score: 4

9:12am Fri 20 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan
How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 23

9:15am Fri 20 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Word in Spain is that negotiations for Suarez to move to Real Madrid are well advanced.
This is why Liverpool are desperate to get deals completed whilst Suarez is still on their books.
I think we all know that Liverpool will be pretty average if Suarez leaves and they are using him as bait.
Stay where you are Adam.
Word in Spain is that negotiations for Suarez to move to Real Madrid are well advanced. This is why Liverpool are desperate to get deals completed whilst Suarez is still on their books. I think we all know that Liverpool will be pretty average if Suarez leaves and they are using him as bait. Stay where you are Adam. costa gaz
  • Score: 37

9:19am Fri 20 Jun 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Roy ! You showed it worked in the qualifications , but then bottled it on the BIG STAGE . Sterling / Sturridge / Lallana / Shaw , should of been your tactics . Opportunity MISSED
Roy ! You showed it worked in the qualifications , but then bottled it on the BIG STAGE . Sterling / Sturridge / Lallana / Shaw , should of been your tactics . Opportunity MISSED SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 16

9:26am Fri 20 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

Saint_rob wrote:
chapellady wrote:
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side.
Funny that......
You have it in one,….as with a succession of 'fear' based England managers scared of the media who will crucify them anyway Hodgson went all predictable and so did the result…

...the last person with the balls to drop a 'Rooney' for the good of the team was Alf Ramsey when he dispensed with Greaves for the greater good of th team ..and guess what WE WON.

Shaw would not have been so easily beaten off the ball by Uruguay's tough tackling and would have created the impetus we desperately needed, he and Lallana would not have lost possession and Lambert would never have missed Rooney's sitters….
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....[/p][/quote]Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side. Funny that......[/p][/quote]You have it in one,….as with a succession of 'fear' based England managers scared of the media who will crucify them anyway Hodgson went all predictable and so did the result… ...the last person with the balls to drop a 'Rooney' for the good of the team was Alf Ramsey when he dispensed with Greaves for the greater good of th team ..and guess what WE WON. Shaw would not have been so easily beaten off the ball by Uruguay's tough tackling and would have created the impetus we desperately needed, he and Lallana would not have lost possession and Lambert would never have missed Rooney's sitters…. warrens 76
  • Score: 19

9:28am Fri 20 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 28

9:35am Fri 20 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

For me, the first main problem was Gerrard and Henderson sitting too deep. Every time we had a bit of the ball, near the Uruguay box, these two offered no options for the ball inside or laid back from a more central position, causing attacks to breakdown because of speculative crosses or backward passes.
This was obvious, almost from the first minute, and if they were playing to Roy's plans, then he got it totally wrong, as the back four had enough pace to cope with holding a higher line, and they won every race for the ball, when starting level with the Uruguay forwards.
If Gerrard and Henderson sat deep, because they lack the pace or engine to get further forward, for 90 minutes, then Roy's fault for picking them.
(Was it Gerrard's half hearted tackle that led to the first goal, letting a player go past him as though he wasn't there?)

The second main point, is the difference in finishing, between Rooney and Suarez.
Suarez had 3 good chances and scored twice.
Rooney had 3 great chances, all virtual tap ins, and scored once.
For me, the first main problem was Gerrard and Henderson sitting too deep. Every time we had a bit of the ball, near the Uruguay box, these two offered no options for the ball inside or laid back from a more central position, causing attacks to breakdown because of speculative crosses or backward passes. This was obvious, almost from the first minute, and if they were playing to Roy's plans, then he got it totally wrong, as the back four had enough pace to cope with holding a higher line, and they won every race for the ball, when starting level with the Uruguay forwards. If Gerrard and Henderson sat deep, because they lack the pace or engine to get further forward, for 90 minutes, then Roy's fault for picking them. (Was it Gerrard's half hearted tackle that led to the first goal, letting a player go past him as though he wasn't there?) The second main point, is the difference in finishing, between Rooney and Suarez. Suarez had 3 good chances and scored twice. Rooney had 3 great chances, all virtual tap ins, and scored once. Costa Baz
  • Score: 12

9:42am Fri 20 Jun 14

Jonny7oma says...

Yes, it's all so clear now, Roy spent so much time at St. Mary's because it tied in perfectly with his south coast retirement plans - Bournemouth or the new forest.... nice two bed bungalow and near a nice M&S, luvlee.
Quite frankly, it's insulting to spend so much time here and praise the players only to then pick anyone who either comes from Liverpool or plays for either of the cities two teams. Was he on a spying mission for Liverpool FC all along?
Yes, it's all so clear now, Roy spent so much time at St. Mary's because it tied in perfectly with his south coast retirement plans - Bournemouth or the new forest.... nice two bed bungalow and near a nice M&S, luvlee. Quite frankly, it's insulting to spend so much time here and praise the players only to then pick anyone who either comes from Liverpool or plays for either of the cities two teams. Was he on a spying mission for Liverpool FC all along? Jonny7oma
  • Score: 19

9:44am Fri 20 Jun 14

St Mark says...

Adam didn't really get a chance, as folk have commented. He did, however, look far more interested in winning the ball and actually playing football when he came on than any other England player - apart perhaps from Gerrard. Uruguay just wanted to win more I guess. They got the ball first over and over again, except when Adam came on. As for Rooney - if Hodgson had played Rickie there - he would have scored from that free kick - he would have got that header in the net, not on the post/upright etc etc. World class? 'My arse' (as that other Ricky would say!).

The only thing that England did not definitely deserve, was the failure of the referee to send Godin off for the old short arm tackle on Sturridge.

I don't know why I put myself through the misery - think I will read a good book for the Costa Rica game!
Adam didn't really get a chance, as folk have commented. He did, however, look far more interested in winning the ball and actually playing football when he came on than any other England player - apart perhaps from Gerrard. Uruguay just wanted to win more I guess. They got the ball first over and over again, except when Adam came on. As for Rooney - if Hodgson had played Rickie there - he would have scored from that free kick - he would have got that header in the net, not on the post/upright etc etc. World class? 'My arse' (as that other Ricky would say!). The only thing that England did not definitely deserve, was the failure of the referee to send Godin off for the old short arm tackle on Sturridge. I don't know why I put myself through the misery - think I will read a good book for the Costa Rica game! St Mark
  • Score: 11

9:46am Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 14

10:04am Fri 20 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

He will when he moves to a big club
He will when he moves to a big club Woolston ollie
  • Score: -4

10:12am Fri 20 Jun 14

Confucious says...

There must be a curse on Liverpool. Even if they'd been three up with eleven minutes to go, England wouldn't have beaten Crystal Palace last night with that voodoo'd lot in the team.

The Witch Doctor even got Suarez fit in time to score the winner from his team mate's blunder.

Rickie wasn't going to do much in five minutes, but he wasn't anyway now that he wears the cursed shirt. And Adam wasn't likely to either as he's clearly had some of the wicked scouse wizards dust sprinkled on on him now.

Liverpool it seems are simply doomed to promise glory and then deliver ignominy.

I hope Adam and Lovren take careful note. If not I predict their wives are going to suffer from a lot of hopelessly premature ****.
There must be a curse on Liverpool. Even if they'd been three up with eleven minutes to go, England wouldn't have beaten Crystal Palace last night with that voodoo'd lot in the team. The Witch Doctor even got Suarez fit in time to score the winner from his team mate's blunder. Rickie wasn't going to do much in five minutes, but he wasn't anyway now that he wears the cursed shirt. And Adam wasn't likely to either as he's clearly had some of the wicked scouse wizards dust sprinkled on on him now. Liverpool it seems are simply doomed to promise glory and then deliver ignominy. I hope Adam and Lovren take careful note. If not I predict their wives are going to suffer from a lot of hopelessly premature ****. Confucious
  • Score: 9

10:12am Fri 20 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Confucious wrote:
There must be a curse on Liverpool. Even if they'd been three up with eleven minutes to go, England wouldn't have beaten Crystal Palace last night with that voodoo'd lot in the team.

The Witch Doctor even got Suarez fit in time to score the winner from his team mate's blunder.

Rickie wasn't going to do much in five minutes, but he wasn't anyway now that he wears the cursed shirt. And Adam wasn't likely to either as he's clearly had some of the wicked scouse wizards dust sprinkled on on him now.

Liverpool it seems are simply doomed to promise glory and then deliver ignominy.

I hope Adam and Lovren take careful note. If not I predict their wives are going to suffer from a lot of hopelessly premature ****.
Blimey - what's wrong with the word e jack ulation?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: There must be a curse on Liverpool. Even if they'd been three up with eleven minutes to go, England wouldn't have beaten Crystal Palace last night with that voodoo'd lot in the team. The Witch Doctor even got Suarez fit in time to score the winner from his team mate's blunder. Rickie wasn't going to do much in five minutes, but he wasn't anyway now that he wears the cursed shirt. And Adam wasn't likely to either as he's clearly had some of the wicked scouse wizards dust sprinkled on on him now. Liverpool it seems are simply doomed to promise glory and then deliver ignominy. I hope Adam and Lovren take careful note. If not I predict their wives are going to suffer from a lot of hopelessly premature ****.[/p][/quote]Blimey - what's wrong with the word e jack ulation? Confucious
  • Score: 9

10:23am Fri 20 Jun 14

montecristosaint says...

Confucious you are a complete and utter head case welcome to the club.Baines is nowhere near as good as Shaw, starlig as that may seem, he doesnt have his skill or pace, and Hodgson made a number of blunders the first of which was to leave Terry and Clyne at home. Johnson and Baines have been terrible,there is no cover for Johnson in the squad either. And why did he leave it so late to bring on SRL. We needed speed down the flanks we could have had it with SRL waiting in the middle to finish off things, unlike Mr Rooney who wasnt very good to be honest. If Hodgson has any sense he will play Shaw now. Anyone else think Jack CXork would have been better than Gerrard another one who had an awful game, way past his best.
Confucious you are a complete and utter head case welcome to the club.Baines is nowhere near as good as Shaw, starlig as that may seem, he doesnt have his skill or pace, and Hodgson made a number of blunders the first of which was to leave Terry and Clyne at home. Johnson and Baines have been terrible,there is no cover for Johnson in the squad either. And why did he leave it so late to bring on SRL. We needed speed down the flanks we could have had it with SRL waiting in the middle to finish off things, unlike Mr Rooney who wasnt very good to be honest. If Hodgson has any sense he will play Shaw now. Anyone else think Jack CXork would have been better than Gerrard another one who had an awful game, way past his best. montecristosaint
  • Score: 8

10:33am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.
Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:34am Fri 20 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?
Yes and the rest of them. Although we have never had posters from those clubs on here and suddenly we have one from Spurs, Man U and Liverpool. They are merely festering, bottom slurping, inbreeding stinking Portsea Islanders and I really really hope their club goes out of business for good soon.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?[/p][/quote]Yes and the rest of them. Although we have never had posters from those clubs on here and suddenly we have one from Spurs, Man U and Liverpool. They are merely festering, bottom slurping, inbreeding stinking Portsea Islanders and I really really hope their club goes out of business for good soon. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

10:38am Fri 20 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise.

All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter.

Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.
Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise. All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter. Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game. Blackknight
  • Score: 6

10:39am Fri 20 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 24

10:44am Fri 20 Jun 14

Southampton boy says...

I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.
I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager. Southampton boy
  • Score: 9

10:49am Fri 20 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

Southampton boy wrote:
I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.
Fly them to Basra where they can learn how to fight from some Brits who have got real pride and earn a pittance.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.[/p][/quote]Fly them to Basra where they can learn how to fight from some Brits who have got real pride and earn a pittance. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 18

11:00am Fri 20 Jun 14

Littleton-Saint says...

England were a disgrace - overpaid mediocrity!
England were a disgrace - overpaid mediocrity! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 16

11:06am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Blackknight wrote:
Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise.

All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter.

Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.
Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise. All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter. Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.[/p][/quote]Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

11:06am Fri 20 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Lee Lee I hear you cry
Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy?
Lee Lee I hear you cry Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy? LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -14

11:07am Fri 20 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault.

Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough.

Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica.

I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game).

There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again.

It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more.

So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun.
But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation.

Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside.

.... Wimbledons on soon ........
I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault. Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough. Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica. I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game). There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again. It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more. So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun. But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation. Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside. .... Wimbledons on soon ........ Alicesdad
  • Score: 8

11:09am Fri 20 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Sadly Roy lost the plot just before the tournament and, having seemed to have settled on playing Adam, inexplicably decided it was time to play like Liverpool, which was out of character to his normal conservative approach.

The result was that he basically got Liverpool, minus Luis Suarez. We focussed on attacking at pace, but were irresponsible defensively.

It's also no coincidence that we played these two matches in a similar way that Liverpool played their Chelsea and Palace games.

Rather than being patient and grinding out the result when we were in a decent position (following Uruguay's loss to Costa Rica two draws or even one draw in these two games would probably have suited us), we inexplicably decided to push up field and leave ourselves short at the back, but without the team effort that Saints have employed this season.

Baines has been found out, Hart looked edgy and didn't lead his defence and Gerrard again failed to dictate any change in pace or style when we should have been slowing the game down to snail's pace.

Let's not forget, at 1-1 Uruguay needed to score, we didn't. Similarly to Liverpool vs Chelsea, when you have pace in the side surely just let them pile men forward and hit them on the break?

Clueless.
Sadly Roy lost the plot just before the tournament and, having seemed to have settled on playing Adam, inexplicably decided it was time to play like Liverpool, which was out of character to his normal conservative approach. The result was that he basically got Liverpool, minus Luis Suarez. We focussed on attacking at pace, but were irresponsible defensively. It's also no coincidence that we played these two matches in a similar way that Liverpool played their Chelsea and Palace games. Rather than being patient and grinding out the result when we were in a decent position (following Uruguay's loss to Costa Rica two draws or even one draw in these two games would probably have suited us), we inexplicably decided to push up field and leave ourselves short at the back, but without the team effort that Saints have employed this season. Baines has been found out, Hart looked edgy and didn't lead his defence and Gerrard again failed to dictate any change in pace or style when we should have been slowing the game down to snail's pace. Let's not forget, at 1-1 Uruguay needed to score, we didn't. Similarly to Liverpool vs Chelsea, when you have pace in the side surely just let them pile men forward and hit them on the break? Clueless. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

11:20am Fri 20 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault.

Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough.

Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica.

I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game).

There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again.

It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more.

So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun.
But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation.

Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside.

.... Wimbledons on soon ........
Mmm, not sure. While Roy picked young players at times the method was inconsistent and, arguably, he dropped the wrong older players and kept the wrong ones.

You could say that Cole and Terry are better defensive options than Baines and Jageilka. You could also say that Johnson and Gerrard had no right to be there. Johnson in particular is a liability.

The drop Rooney stuff continues and that is ludicrous. We was one of our better players this tournament and was involved in the vast majority of our good chances, plus he's not old.

Also wonder why Roy bothered taking Lampard and Rickie as he clearly never wanted to play them. For some bizarre reason, after three very good complete performances Roy seems to have written Rickie off as 'lumbering big man' route one player only capable of deflecting one in off his head in the last five minutes using brute strength.

For me Rickie is completely wasted if you look at him like that. For me he was more of a No.10 substitute to hold up the ball and spray it around.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault. Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough. Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica. I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game). There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again. It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more. So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun. But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation. Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside. .... Wimbledons on soon ........[/p][/quote]Mmm, not sure. While Roy picked young players at times the method was inconsistent and, arguably, he dropped the wrong older players and kept the wrong ones. You could say that Cole and Terry are better defensive options than Baines and Jageilka. You could also say that Johnson and Gerrard had no right to be there. Johnson in particular is a liability. The drop Rooney stuff continues and that is ludicrous. We was one of our better players this tournament and was involved in the vast majority of our good chances, plus he's not old. Also wonder why Roy bothered taking Lampard and Rickie as he clearly never wanted to play them. For some bizarre reason, after three very good complete performances Roy seems to have written Rickie off as 'lumbering big man' route one player only capable of deflecting one in off his head in the last five minutes using brute strength. For me Rickie is completely wasted if you look at him like that. For me he was more of a No.10 substitute to hold up the ball and spray it around. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:24am Fri 20 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

I'm surprised that people are surprised. When the draw was made pretty much everyone said we'd struggle to get out of the group, then for some reason when Roy picked a couple of youngsters we 'had a chance to go far in the competition'.

The media over-hyped us again and put undue pressure on the players, especially Rooney (who in my opinion shouldn't be in the team but that's another matter). This World Cup was always supposed to have come to early for our youngsters and too late for our leftover 'golden generation' and was supposed to be taken as a learning experience.

I guarantee the young players have learned something from this, and we'll hopefully carry it forward. Why the public are up in arms I have no idea.

It's only, I guess, because Uruguay were so poor in their first game that people thought we should do better. A couple of months ago most would have expected us to lose against Italy and Uruguay, hopefully running them close or potentially nicking a draw.

I'm not at all surprised we haven't done better. Roy should have picked even more youngsters and made it clear that this really was an experimental competition with an eye on the future.
I'm surprised that people are surprised. When the draw was made pretty much everyone said we'd struggle to get out of the group, then for some reason when Roy picked a couple of youngsters we 'had a chance to go far in the competition'. The media over-hyped us again and put undue pressure on the players, especially Rooney (who in my opinion shouldn't be in the team but that's another matter). This World Cup was always supposed to have come to early for our youngsters and too late for our leftover 'golden generation' and was supposed to be taken as a learning experience. I guarantee the young players have learned something from this, and we'll hopefully carry it forward. Why the public are up in arms I have no idea. It's only, I guess, because Uruguay were so poor in their first game that people thought we should do better. A couple of months ago most would have expected us to lose against Italy and Uruguay, hopefully running them close or potentially nicking a draw. I'm not at all surprised we haven't done better. Roy should have picked even more youngsters and made it clear that this really was an experimental competition with an eye on the future. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 6

11:28am Fri 20 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Sometimes I can't help thinking that maybe Gerrard and Rooney have a huge say in who Roy picks.
Just my thoughts, but it would not surprise me if these 2 chumps had an influence in team matters.
Sometimes I can't help thinking that maybe Gerrard and Rooney have a huge say in who Roy picks. Just my thoughts, but it would not surprise me if these 2 chumps had an influence in team matters. costa gaz
  • Score: 13

11:32am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault.

Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough.

Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica.

I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game).

There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again.

It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more.

So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun.
But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation.

Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside.

.... Wimbledons on soon ........
Great British winner or Scottish loser? Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't blame Hodgson, I have admired his approach in the build up and he picked a young squad that I was quite pleased with. When you look back there were peroiods of good play against Italy that were quite encouraging. Wasn't world class though and that wasn't Hodgsons fault. Last night simply showed that against a team of truly top drawer quality we are a lost cause. It really didn't matter who we put on we have to admit we were not good enough. Lallana did deserve more pitch time but he couldnt do it alone. Shaw's time will come and I would like to see him tread the turf against Costa Rica. I hate to say it but it would be a bad thing if the results went our way and we got out of this group. We would have to play teams at a much higher level than we have so far and we would risk utter humilation (like against Germany in the famous "disallowed goal" game). There are however hopeful signs of a new squad of youth based players emerging. We should build on that. Certain older players need to be told that there time has gone and now its all about rebuilding from a very young core. I dont care if we lose now and then if the bigger picture is showing a strategy and signs of growth. If we don't then it means that when the next Euro championship matches start up we will be on the same treadmill of mediocrity... we will qualify against lower opposition and then get shown up at the finals.. again and again and again. It really is the last straw for some, I don't care how players like Rooney and Gerard play at club level, at international level they simply do not deliver and should not be picked any more. So farewell then to Brazil 2014. We may as well have some fun at the last game, cheer them on and use it as a last chance for a party and some fun. But when that party is over lets not delude ourselves. We knew before we went we probably wouldnt get out of the group. We werent robbed or unlucky, we were not good enough. We must be dignified enough to admit this. We must take the few good players that have emerged and start looking at the new generation. Thanks Roy and well done, I think you did as well as you could have done with this squad. There are encouraging signs but your bravery in picking a youthful squad should not be held against you .. For those who gained valuable experience I hope you build on it and see brighter international days in future. For those who have had more chances than they deserve I hope you have the grace to stand aside. .... Wimbledons on soon ........[/p][/quote]Great British winner or Scottish loser? Time will tell. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:38am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Lee Lee I hear you cry
Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy?
What was Tottenham Hotspurs contribution to the current England squad? How many World Class English player are in that squad?
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Lee Lee I hear you cry Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy?[/p][/quote]What was Tottenham Hotspurs contribution to the current England squad? How many World Class English player are in that squad? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 13

11:40am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Southampton boy wrote:
I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.
How many unknown airports do you know about, they are a bit difficult to hide.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.[/p][/quote]How many unknown airports do you know about, they are a bit difficult to hide. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:43am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Pochettino for England
Wouldn't mind that, if only to upset the Spuds!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Pochettino for England[/p][/quote]Wouldn't mind that, if only to upset the Spuds! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:44am Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

England are going to be sh1te until at least 10 other clubs employ the philosophy that Southampton do of bringing youngsters through the academy and into the first team.

Sadly, there are too many parasite big clubs that feel they can just nick players off teams that do things the right way rather than develop their own talent and, unfortunately, that's precisely what they're allowed to get away with. If there is a player exodus at St Marys this summer then it's not just Saints fans that should feel upset about it - it's all England fans, because it will show our system in action and it's a system that means England won't win anything, ever.
England are going to be sh1te until at least 10 other clubs employ the philosophy that Southampton do of bringing youngsters through the academy and into the first team. Sadly, there are too many parasite big clubs that feel they can just nick players off teams that do things the right way rather than develop their own talent and, unfortunately, that's precisely what they're allowed to get away with. If there is a player exodus at St Marys this summer then it's not just Saints fans that should feel upset about it - it's all England fans, because it will show our system in action and it's a system that means England won't win anything, ever. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 15

11:52am Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite?

We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite? We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

11:52am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Sometimes I can't help thinking that maybe Gerrard and Rooney have a huge say in who Roy picks.
Just my thoughts, but it would not surprise me if these 2 chumps had an influence in team matters.
I imagine the Team Captain would have an influence on selection, but I think the problem goes much deeper than that.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Sometimes I can't help thinking that maybe Gerrard and Rooney have a huge say in who Roy picks. Just my thoughts, but it would not surprise me if these 2 chumps had an influence in team matters.[/p][/quote]I imagine the Team Captain would have an influence on selection, but I think the problem goes much deeper than that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:55am Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite?

We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.
James Blunt perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite? We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.[/p][/quote]James Blunt perhaps? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

12:04pm Fri 20 Jun 14

damoose says...

Can anybody translate this Dutch speak?

Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation.

This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know.

Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go."

Non-valeur

"That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats"

From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor."

Button doogehakt

Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he

Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end.

Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp.

That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned.

Third choice

In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute.

The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated.
Can anybody translate this Dutch speak? Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation. This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know. Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go." Non-valeur "That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats" From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor." Button doogehakt Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end. Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp. That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned. Third choice In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute. The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated. damoose
  • Score: -4

12:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite? We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.
The English anthem has always been Land of Hope and Glory. It is used at the Commonwealth Games and should be used at football. God Save the Queen is dour and doesn't inspire, i totally agree. The Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own anthems, so should we. At least we would have a decent tune to sing before watching the innevitable humiliation by whoever we play!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite? We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.[/p][/quote]The English anthem has always been Land of Hope and Glory. It is used at the Commonwealth Games and should be used at football. God Save the Queen is dour and doesn't inspire, i totally agree. The Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own anthems, so should we. At least we would have a decent tune to sing before watching the innevitable humiliation by whoever we play! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 13

12:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -9

12:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

right back in the bar says...

I said they would never get out of the group. Hodgson's squad selection didn't convince me otherwise because you knew he would bottle come match days. Organisation might have compensated for the worst back four ever to wear England shirts but they practically gifted the four goals conceded (so far). But Hodgson had plenty of options elsewhere and there's no excuse for picking the likes of Wellbeck and Henderson (how did he get in he side? and then left his substitutions way too late.
We were already a laughing stock after Germany came here, played a team of reserves and cantered to victory; and when Chile had us running around in circles. But this lot of hopeless chumps along with a opelessly unimaginative coach have contrived to drag us into the gutter.
One last thing.... I hope that's the last we see of the mighty(?) Steviee Geee forever to my mind associated with underachieving Ingerlund. Roll on the new season and some proper football at StMs.
I said they would never get out of the group. Hodgson's squad selection didn't convince me otherwise because you knew he would bottle come match days. Organisation might have compensated for the worst back four ever to wear England shirts but they practically gifted the four goals conceded (so far). But Hodgson had plenty of options elsewhere and there's no excuse for picking the likes of Wellbeck and Henderson (how did he get in he side? and then left his substitutions way too late. We were already a laughing stock after Germany came here, played a team of reserves and cantered to victory; and when Chile had us running around in circles. But this lot of hopeless chumps along with a opelessly unimaginative coach have contrived to drag us into the gutter. One last thing.... I hope that's the last we see of the mighty(?) Steviee Geee forever to my mind associated with underachieving Ingerlund. Roll on the new season and some proper football at StMs. right back in the bar
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Fri 20 Jun 14

southamptondonkey says...

Dont know if anyone else picked this up but in a interview with bbc sport, lallana stated that he was looking forward to meeting RK....maybe a good sign?
Dont know if anyone else picked this up but in a interview with bbc sport, lallana stated that he was looking forward to meeting RK....maybe a good sign? southamptondonkey
  • Score: 7

12:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
You've hit the nail on the head
Watch the England rugby team sing the national anthem tomorrow then you will see some passion
Next year is the rugby World Cup,played by real men who earn in a year what t0ssers like Rooney earn in a week
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]You've hit the nail on the head Watch the England rugby team sing the national anthem tomorrow then you will see some passion Next year is the rugby World Cup,played by real men who earn in a year what t0ssers like Rooney earn in a week bullsbags
  • Score: 9

12:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I think in a few years time we will look back at Henderson and wellbads inclusion in the squad and team in the same way we now look back at carlton pamer and Darius Vassell. neither are international class and should never have been picked.
has anyone else noticed that when wellbad closes someone down he just jogs towards them gets about 5yrds away and stops, which gives the opposition player time and space to pick a pass around him. wellbad playing on the left was a joke, he has no left foot! he isn't good enough, Rickie made him look decent by pinging perfect passes to him in a qualification game. he miss controls the ball too often and then falls over and claims to be hurt.
gerrard quit now, your time has ended. he has played with some of the best players the country has produced and yet he has achieved nothing.
I think in a few years time we will look back at Henderson and wellbads inclusion in the squad and team in the same way we now look back at carlton pamer and Darius Vassell. neither are international class and should never have been picked. has anyone else noticed that when wellbad closes someone down he just jogs towards them gets about 5yrds away and stops, which gives the opposition player time and space to pick a pass around him. wellbad playing on the left was a joke, he has no left foot! he isn't good enough, Rickie made him look decent by pinging perfect passes to him in a qualification game. he miss controls the ball too often and then falls over and claims to be hurt. gerrard quit now, your time has ended. he has played with some of the best players the country has produced and yet he has achieved nothing. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

12:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Lee Lee I hear you cry
Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy?
Morning you little pr!ck
Any of your players in the England squad?
If Ireland had qualified you could have watched your marquee summer signing john Oshea HA HA HA HA
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Lee Lee I hear you cry Whose the next player of ours youse is going to buy?[/p][/quote]Morning you little pr!ck Any of your players in the England squad? If Ireland had qualified you could have watched your marquee summer signing john Oshea HA HA HA HA bullsbags
  • Score: 7

12:40pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Southampton boy wrote:
I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.
How many unknown airports do you know about, they are a bit difficult to hide.
There's always Manston. The aircraft used by the England team is the same one (ZS-DJI) that the Rolling Stones used earlier in the year. It's owned by a charter company and was based at Manston. Remarkably, it was still there for more than a week after the airport officially closed in May, and then had special CAA permission to take off and fly to Luton to pick up the players. I think the aircraft should land at Manston when it brings the players home. No ground crew - the England players can unload their own luggage and carry it into the terminal. No immigration staff - the players can wait in the terminal until someone from the UKBA drives down from London to check their passports. No catering outlets - the players can go hungry and thirsty. No more than they deserve.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.[/p][/quote]How many unknown airports do you know about, they are a bit difficult to hide.[/p][/quote]There's always Manston. The aircraft used by the England team is the same one (ZS-DJI) that the Rolling Stones used earlier in the year. It's owned by a charter company and was based at Manston. Remarkably, it was still there for more than a week after the airport officially closed in May, and then had special CAA permission to take off and fly to Luton to pick up the players. I think the aircraft should land at Manston when it brings the players home. No ground crew - the England players can unload their own luggage and carry it into the terminal. No immigration staff - the players can wait in the terminal until someone from the UKBA drives down from London to check their passports. No catering outlets - the players can go hungry and thirsty. No more than they deserve. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Fri 20 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

We haven't got any world class players.

Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem.

No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!!

Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek!
We haven't got any world class players. Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem. No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!! Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 3

1:09pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mister E says...

Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition! Mister E
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
Giving? I don't think so, if you get anyone you will be paying top dollar.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit[/p][/quote]Giving? I don't think so, if you get anyone you will be paying top dollar. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

1:14pm Fri 20 Jun 14

DisplacedFan says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Blackknight wrote:
Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise.

All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter.

Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.
Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so.
Offer Jose Morinho buckets of money and get us ready for the European Championship and next World Cup. Next, change our premier league schedule to make it more conducive to National,team selection and build up.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise. All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter. Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.[/p][/quote]Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]Offer Jose Morinho buckets of money and get us ready for the European Championship and next World Cup. Next, change our premier league schedule to make it more conducive to National,team selection and build up. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mister E says...

Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......! Mister E
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

WinchesterBond says...

As noted by other posters England managers, including Roy, take too much notice of what the Murdoch press and Daily Fail might print if England lose, so they go safe with team selections. Same old faces, same old so close but ultimate failure. If Italy win tonight there is one chance and one chance only that requires going for it with Adam, Oxo, Rooney in the hole behind Sturridge and Rickie, crosses into the box from wide players and overlapping full-backs, two forwards in the box to attack the ball, midfield players supporting for knock downs or the loose ball and a holding midfielder to pick up any clearance to keep the move going or to delay a counter-attack. No point in two holding midfielders. Let us hope there is still the chance on Tuesday night and Roy goes bold. No time for pandering to the whims of the Aussie tyrant's press lackies and Daily Fail England haters. Costa Rico like Uruguay are there for the taking. Come On England and for two nights only Italia, Italia Italia.
As noted by other posters England managers, including Roy, take too much notice of what the Murdoch press and Daily Fail might print if England lose, so they go safe with team selections. Same old faces, same old so close but ultimate failure. If Italy win tonight there is one chance and one chance only that requires going for it with Adam, Oxo, Rooney in the hole behind Sturridge and Rickie, crosses into the box from wide players and overlapping full-backs, two forwards in the box to attack the ball, midfield players supporting for knock downs or the loose ball and a holding midfielder to pick up any clearance to keep the move going or to delay a counter-attack. No point in two holding midfielders. Let us hope there is still the chance on Tuesday night and Roy goes bold. No time for pandering to the whims of the Aussie tyrant's press lackies and Daily Fail England haters. Costa Rico like Uruguay are there for the taking. Come On England and for two nights only Italia, Italia Italia. WinchesterBond
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

right back in the bar says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
I see you posted around midday - shouldn't you be in school? You know you have no chance of making it out of that filthy north London s..t hole unless you go to school.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit[/p][/quote]I see you posted around midday - shouldn't you be in school? You know you have no chance of making it out of that filthy north London s..t hole unless you go to school. right back in the bar
  • Score: 4

1:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit.

It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

right back in the bar wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
I see you posted around midday - shouldn't you be in school? You know you have no chance of making it out of that filthy north London s..t hole unless you go to school.
He's never even been to North London. He's the same person as those other witless bellends pretending to be Liverpool and United fans ie he's a Pompey fan too ashamed of his own club to even admit who he supports.

It's pretty sad.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit[/p][/quote]I see you posted around midday - shouldn't you be in school? You know you have no chance of making it out of that filthy north London s..t hole unless you go to school.[/p][/quote]He's never even been to North London. He's the same person as those other witless bellends pretending to be Liverpool and United fans ie he's a Pompey fan too ashamed of his own club to even admit who he supports. It's pretty sad. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 9

1:44pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Littleton-Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Pochettino for England
Wouldn't mind that, if only to upset the Spuds!
Pochettino for The Tower of London!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Pochettino for England[/p][/quote]Wouldn't mind that, if only to upset the Spuds![/p][/quote]Pochettino for The Tower of London! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Fri 20 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
Ah, so yesterday a Liverpool fan, today a Spurs fan - master of disguise.

How about you stop wearing the masks and come on here as a self confessed Pompey fan, or is that too humiliating?

It's like going to Alcoholics Anonymous - just stand up and say it in front of all of us and you'll be on the road to recovery, unlike your team.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit[/p][/quote]Ah, so yesterday a Liverpool fan, today a Spurs fan - master of disguise. How about you stop wearing the masks and come on here as a self confessed Pompey fan, or is that too humiliating? It's like going to Alcoholics Anonymous - just stand up and say it in front of all of us and you'll be on the road to recovery, unlike your team. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Fri 20 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit.

It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Fri 20 Jun 14

deepheat says...

What's blue by day, and brown by night?
LEE FROM THE LANE's ****.
What's blue by day, and brown by night? LEE FROM THE LANE's ****. deepheat
  • Score: 4

1:57pm Fri 20 Jun 14

wrypop says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.
I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers. wrypop
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

SaintJD wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit.

It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.[/p][/quote]Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas". St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

It’s been a great world cup in terms of entertainment so far, one of the best that I can remember in terms of teams playing attacking football and the stats back it up with an average of 3 goals a game in the first week.
Loved reading all your comments above, every one of us an armchair England manager. Look, mathematically we are still in it, stranger things have happened, just ask Sunderland and Palace fans this season ..... I won’t be putting any money on it though.
We didn’t fail because of Rooney, though many would want to put the blame on his shoulders.
We didn’t fail because of Roy Hodgson being defensive or adventurous with his selection policy.
I believe we failed due to our defensive unit being what we all suspected coming into this tournament ..... Not good enough and lacking leadership, that is where we are at.

This is a major step up from South Africa in terms od our identity, but please don’t label Luke, Adam, and our boys still to be introduced to the squad as the next GOLDEN generation ..... Silver or bronze, granted. 
It’s been a great world cup in terms of entertainment so far, one of the best that I can remember in terms of teams playing attacking football and the stats back it up with an average of 3 goals a game in the first week. Loved reading all your comments above, every one of us an armchair England manager. Look, mathematically we are still in it, stranger things have happened, just ask Sunderland and Palace fans this season ..... I won’t be putting any money on it though. We didn’t fail because of Rooney, though many would want to put the blame on his shoulders. We didn’t fail because of Roy Hodgson being defensive or adventurous with his selection policy. I believe we failed due to our defensive unit being what we all suspected coming into this tournament ..... Not good enough and lacking leadership, that is where we are at. This is a major step up from South Africa in terms od our identity, but please don’t label Luke, Adam, and our boys still to be introduced to the squad as the next GOLDEN generation ..... Silver or bronze, granted.  Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 4

2:06pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mister E says...

wrypop wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.
I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers.
Exactly!
And in doing so, as I posted above, be aware of the opposition and their danger man/men but, let's get the opposition thinking and worrying about us for a change! Let's see us putting the opposition under pressure for a change and having to think twice during a game!
[quote][p][bold]wrypop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers.[/p][/quote]Exactly! And in doing so, as I posted above, be aware of the opposition and their danger man/men but, let's get the opposition thinking and worrying about us for a change! Let's see us putting the opposition under pressure for a change and having to think twice during a game! Mister E
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2:06pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mister E says...

wrypop wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.
I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers.
Exactly!
And in doing so, as I posted above, be aware of the opposition and their danger man/men but, let's get the opposition thinking and worrying about us for a change! Let's see us putting the opposition under pressure for a change and having to think twice during a game!
[quote][p][bold]wrypop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Disappointed of course, my predominant thought is that we shouldn't be playing, Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge at the same time, they are all very good players in their own right, but it makes us one dimensional and they were getting in each others space, the change had instant results with space being created for Rooney to be where he is at his best. The 2nd Uruguay goal was against the run of play and very few players would have been capable of scoring it in the circumstances, that killed the game off, even the ploy of bringing Rickie on was far too late. The target now must be the European Championships with the new breed, getting rid of the old.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with the post above. I believe Welbeck and Sterling should not of started either game. Welbeck is not good enough and Sterling is somewhat of a 'show pony' running around like a pinball and not helping the team ethic. Gerrard, a great England player has lost his legs. He can not cover the pitch as he once did. Our full backs were a disgrace. Roy has to select for the future in the next game and with it eat some humble pie, though I agree with an earlier post that that may not happen as he will prove himself wrong! How could we spend four years finding out much which was sadly obvious to many observers.[/p][/quote]Exactly! And in doing so, as I posted above, be aware of the opposition and their danger man/men but, let's get the opposition thinking and worrying about us for a change! Let's see us putting the opposition under pressure for a change and having to think twice during a game! Mister E
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2:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Would you Adam it,youse are suffering hallucinations from the feeder club blues innit.Tottenham all the way.Hows about a rhyme to lift your spirits a bit.

Feeder feeder you won't be left in the cold
As long as you continue to do as youse told
Would you Adam it,youse are suffering hallucinations from the feeder club blues innit.Tottenham all the way.Hows about a rhyme to lift your spirits a bit. Feeder feeder you won't be left in the cold As long as you continue to do as youse told LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -4

2:11pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit.

It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".
Innit
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.[/p][/quote]Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".[/p][/quote]Innit LEE FROM THE LANE
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2:13pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

damoose wrote:
Can anybody translate this Dutch speak?

Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation.

This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know.

Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go."

Non-valeur

"That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats"

From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor."

Button doogehakt

Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he

Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end.

Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp.

That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned.

Third choice

In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute.

The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated.
It's all Dutch to me.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: Can anybody translate this Dutch speak? Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation. This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know. Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go." Non-valeur "That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats" From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor." Button doogehakt Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end. Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp. That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned. Third choice In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute. The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated.[/p][/quote]It's all Dutch to me. jls217
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2:20pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
England are going to be sh1te until at least 10 other clubs employ the philosophy that Southampton do of bringing youngsters through the academy and into the first team.

Sadly, there are too many parasite big clubs that feel they can just nick players off teams that do things the right way rather than develop their own talent and, unfortunately, that's precisely what they're allowed to get away with. If there is a player exodus at St Marys this summer then it's not just Saints fans that should feel upset about it - it's all England fans, because it will show our system in action and it's a system that means England won't win anything, ever.
Yes yes yes - well said but it won't happen unless the FA bullies them into it as managers now have to make a hit in the first 6 months or they're gone. Doesn't give any youngster a chance.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: England are going to be sh1te until at least 10 other clubs employ the philosophy that Southampton do of bringing youngsters through the academy and into the first team. Sadly, there are too many parasite big clubs that feel they can just nick players off teams that do things the right way rather than develop their own talent and, unfortunately, that's precisely what they're allowed to get away with. If there is a player exodus at St Marys this summer then it's not just Saints fans that should feel upset about it - it's all England fans, because it will show our system in action and it's a system that means England won't win anything, ever.[/p][/quote]Yes yes yes - well said but it won't happen unless the FA bullies them into it as managers now have to make a hit in the first 6 months or they're gone. Doesn't give any youngster a chance. jls217
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Big Mac says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Would you Adam it,youse are suffering hallucinations from the feeder club blues innit.Tottenham all the way.Hows about a rhyme to lift your spirits a bit.

Feeder feeder you won't be left in the cold
As long as you continue to do as youse told
No surprise the NHS is in such dire straits with funds wasted on muppets like this one. He can't even pay attention, let alone his perscription charges.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Would you Adam it,youse are suffering hallucinations from the feeder club blues innit.Tottenham all the way.Hows about a rhyme to lift your spirits a bit. Feeder feeder you won't be left in the cold As long as you continue to do as youse told[/p][/quote]No surprise the NHS is in such dire straits with funds wasted on muppets like this one. He can't even pay attention, let alone his perscription charges. Big Mac
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Fri 20 Jun 14

IOAD says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie.
Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic.
Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice.
Luke was in the boat behind being towed.
And Jay, luckily missed the boat.

Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed.
THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY!
I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much.
BL££DING disgrace.
Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!! I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie. Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic. Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice. Luke was in the boat behind being towed. And Jay, luckily missed the boat. Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed. THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY! I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much. BL££DING disgrace.[/p][/quote]Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk. IOAD
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

IOAD wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie.
Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic.
Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice.
Luke was in the boat behind being towed.
And Jay, luckily missed the boat.

Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed.
THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY!
I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much.
BL££DING disgrace.
Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.
I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead!
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!! I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie. Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic. Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice. Luke was in the boat behind being towed. And Jay, luckily missed the boat. Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed. THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY! I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much. BL££DING disgrace.[/p][/quote]Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.[/p][/quote]I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

2:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

England don't have a world class forward like Suarez simple as that. Look at the chances that Rooney missed in the first and second game. They would have been buried by any top class centre forward.

I did think Lallana should have started but that was because in my view we needed to have pace on the bench to bring on to change the game if needed. By starting with pace you have nothing to go to unless you lump on lots of forwards and pump it up to them. That might work in the FA Cup but not the World Cup.

England were missing Townsend, Walcott and the Ox players who would have been first choice but we would still have fallen short as we don't have a World Class forward.
England don't have a world class forward like Suarez simple as that. Look at the chances that Rooney missed in the first and second game. They would have been buried by any top class centre forward. I did think Lallana should have started but that was because in my view we needed to have pace on the bench to bring on to change the game if needed. By starting with pace you have nothing to go to unless you lump on lots of forwards and pump it up to them. That might work in the FA Cup but not the World Cup. England were missing Townsend, Walcott and the Ox players who would have been first choice but we would still have fallen short as we don't have a World Class forward. allsaintsnocurves
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2:49pm Fri 20 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Reality Check.
NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER GOOD ENOUGH FOR A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second eleven, because I can't.
Reality Check. NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER GOOD ENOUGH FOR A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second eleven, because I can't. NC Fan4Life
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3:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

costa gaz wrote:
Word in Spain is that negotiations for Suarez to move to Real Madrid are well advanced.
This is why Liverpool are desperate to get deals completed whilst Suarez is still on their books.
I think we all know that Liverpool will be pretty average if Suarez leaves and they are using him as bait.
Stay where you are Adam.
And here I thought you never read gossip from papers? Oh by the way that report is crap as Suarez doesn't have a release clause, even Suarez has said that clearly at end of season. But we see come start of new season!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Word in Spain is that negotiations for Suarez to move to Real Madrid are well advanced. This is why Liverpool are desperate to get deals completed whilst Suarez is still on their books. I think we all know that Liverpool will be pretty average if Suarez leaves and they are using him as bait. Stay where you are Adam.[/p][/quote]And here I thought you never read gossip from papers? Oh by the way that report is crap as Suarez doesn't have a release clause, even Suarez has said that clearly at end of season. But we see come start of new season! LFCalways
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Fri 20 Jun 14

saint phil says...

LETS WORRY ABOUT SAINTS NOT A LOST CAUSE ?
LETS WORRY ABOUT SAINTS NOT A LOST CAUSE ? saint phil
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3:06pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?
Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?[/p][/quote]Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup. LFCalways
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

LFCalways wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?
Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup.
We can. My point is that Gerrard's legs have gone and he is not a fraction of the player he once was and therefore shouldn't be in a world cup squad let alone the starting 11.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?[/p][/quote]Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup.[/p][/quote]We can. My point is that Gerrard's legs have gone and he is not a fraction of the player he once was and therefore shouldn't be in a world cup squad let alone the starting 11. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

3:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
We haven't got any world class players.

Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem.

No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!!

Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek!
You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: We haven't got any world class players. Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem. No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!! Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek![/p][/quote]You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace. LFCalways
  • Score: 0

3:41pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?
Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup.
We can. My point is that Gerrard's legs have gone and he is not a fraction of the player he once was and therefore shouldn't be in a world cup squad let alone the starting 11.
Correct Gerard legs has gone now, he can't do the runs he did years ago.... Gerard had a good season last year and his form was good as anyone's.
And the reason he in the England starting 11 is he is the captain
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]LFCalways,and Search for the Truth have gone strangely quiet?[/p][/quote]Gerard an embarrassment lol you really need to look at all the England players last night who were not good enough, and choke every time like last World Cup. But I think we can all agree bring on the new season and forget this World Cup.[/p][/quote]We can. My point is that Gerrard's legs have gone and he is not a fraction of the player he once was and therefore shouldn't be in a world cup squad let alone the starting 11.[/p][/quote]Correct Gerard legs has gone now, he can't do the runs he did years ago.... Gerard had a good season last year and his form was good as anyone's. And the reason he in the England starting 11 is he is the captain LFCalways
  • Score: -2

3:52pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

LFCalways wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
We haven't got any world class players.

Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem.

No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!!

Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek!
You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace.
For all the people who think Gerard got no passion with this "southamptonlegend" comment who is sadly wrong as normal and here is the picture that was posted by an ex Liverpool player Luis Garcia.
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[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: We haven't got any world class players. Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem. No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!! Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek![/p][/quote]You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace.[/p][/quote]For all the people who think Gerard got no passion with this "southamptonlegend" comment who is sadly wrong as normal and here is the picture that was posted by an ex Liverpool player Luis Garcia. Here is the link: https://m.facebook.c om/AustraliaLFC/phot os/a.161029137386285 .1073741832.16070839 7418359/324597797696 084/?type=1&source=4 6 LFCalways
  • Score: -3

3:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

LFCalways wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
We haven't got any world class players.

Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem.

No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!!

Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek!
You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace.
Title mean't not little sorry
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: We haven't got any world class players. Maybe if we paid them £100-300k a game they might play like they do in the prem. No passion at all. Gerrard cried for his Liverpool mistake that cost them the league but where were his tears last night?! Says it all!! Next game make Lambert captain and drop Gerrard, Henderson and Shrek![/p][/quote]You really need to look harder as it's posted on FB were Gerard was heartbroken and Suarez was there for him, like Gerard was they for Suarez when we throw away the little against Crystal Palace.[/p][/quote]Title mean't not little sorry LFCalways
  • Score: -3

4:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed?

It was surprisingly tender, I thought.
Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed? It was surprisingly tender, I thought. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed?

It was surprisingly tender, I thought.
And here is a idiot fan "St Van Roetford" as normal who knows nothing about football
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed? It was surprisingly tender, I thought.[/p][/quote]And here is a idiot fan "St Van Roetford" as normal who knows nothing about football LFCalways
  • Score: -8

4:09pm Fri 20 Jun 14

andygoater1957 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
It was the old pro's Ste Gee and Rooney that let us down no the new ones. Or was it the sponcers that pick the players.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]It was the old pro's Ste Gee and Rooney that let us down no the new ones. Or was it the sponcers that pick the players. andygoater1957
  • Score: 0

4:13pm Fri 20 Jun 14

IOAD says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
IOAD wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie.
Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic.
Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice.
Luke was in the boat behind being towed.
And Jay, luckily missed the boat.

Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed.
THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY!
I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much.
BL££DING disgrace.
Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.
I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead!
Kate and Leo would NEVER have been allowed in the crow's nest. That's crazy talk!
What would have saved the Titanic was if Billy Zane had thought to steel Marty McFly's Delorean and had a word with the captain. He could have travelled to 1999, picked up a DVD, DVD player and batteries, then travelled back to 1912 and shown the film to the Captain before the boat had even left Le Havre! Every time I watch that film, I think "Stupid, stupid Billy Zane!" The Delorean was RIGHT there!
Oh no, wait, if the Titanic hadn't sunk, then there wouldn't have been a film, which means that Billy Zane wouldn't have been able to pick up the DVD to show to the captain, which would have meant that the Titanic WOULD have sunk. **** you space-time continuum!
No wonder Billy Zane seemed so angry in that film. All those lives. Poor, poor Billy.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!! I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie. Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic. Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice. Luke was in the boat behind being towed. And Jay, luckily missed the boat. Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed. THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY! I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much. BL££DING disgrace.[/p][/quote]Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.[/p][/quote]I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead![/p][/quote]Kate and Leo would NEVER have been allowed in the crow's nest. That's crazy talk! What would have saved the Titanic was if Billy Zane had thought to steel Marty McFly's Delorean and had a word with the captain. He could have travelled to 1999, picked up a DVD, DVD player and batteries, then travelled back to 1912 and shown the film to the Captain before the boat had even left Le Havre! Every time I watch that film, I think "Stupid, stupid Billy Zane!" The Delorean was RIGHT there! Oh no, wait, if the Titanic hadn't sunk, then there wouldn't have been a film, which means that Billy Zane wouldn't have been able to pick up the DVD to show to the captain, which would have meant that the Titanic WOULD have sunk. **** you space-time continuum! No wonder Billy Zane seemed so angry in that film. All those lives. Poor, poor Billy. IOAD
  • Score: 4

4:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

IOAD says...

IOAD wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
IOAD wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie.
Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic.
Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice.
Luke was in the boat behind being towed.
And Jay, luckily missed the boat.

Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed.
THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY!
I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much.
BL££DING disgrace.
Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.
I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead!
Kate and Leo would NEVER have been allowed in the crow's nest. That's crazy talk!
What would have saved the Titanic was if Billy Zane had thought to steel Marty McFly's Delorean and had a word with the captain. He could have travelled to 1999, picked up a DVD, DVD player and batteries, then travelled back to 1912 and shown the film to the Captain before the boat had even left Le Havre! Every time I watch that film, I think "Stupid, stupid Billy Zane!" The Delorean was RIGHT there!
Oh no, wait, if the Titanic hadn't sunk, then there wouldn't have been a film, which means that Billy Zane wouldn't have been able to pick up the DVD to show to the captain, which would have meant that the Titanic WOULD have sunk. **** you space-time continuum!
No wonder Billy Zane seemed so angry in that film. All those lives. Poor, poor Billy.
In my last post, the censors deleted a word homonymic with 'Dam', in case you thought I was being wild with my expletives. I wasn't... unless you're a Victorian gentlewoman.
If you are a Victorian gentlewoman, then I sincerely apologise, you **** ***** stupid ********* ****.
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Same old,Same old!!!!!!!!! I am glad that our lads will come out untainted from this disaster of an England team,that includes Rickie. Adam 20 minutes to try to turn the Titanic. Rickie just onboard to shovel off the ice. Luke was in the boat behind being towed. And Jay, luckily missed the boat. Bl00dy crazy decision by Hodgson not bringing our lads on, at half time, we were in the sh1t----- Plan B needed. THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY! I was only able to hear it at work but it was obvious the "SUPERSTARS" from the northwest showed the world why they get payed so much. BL££DING disgrace.[/p][/quote]Actually, twenty minutes would have been ample to turn the Titanic. In fact, if the iceberg had been seen a minute sooner, or a minute later (because the point of impact would have not caused a catastrophic breach of the bulkheads), she would never have sunk.[/p][/quote]I think your completely wrong there, structurally the titanic was sound and in fact it should not have sunk. it would have stayed afloat if kate and leo weren't doing the do in the car and had been looking out instead![/p][/quote]Kate and Leo would NEVER have been allowed in the crow's nest. That's crazy talk! What would have saved the Titanic was if Billy Zane had thought to steel Marty McFly's Delorean and had a word with the captain. He could have travelled to 1999, picked up a DVD, DVD player and batteries, then travelled back to 1912 and shown the film to the Captain before the boat had even left Le Havre! Every time I watch that film, I think "Stupid, stupid Billy Zane!" The Delorean was RIGHT there! Oh no, wait, if the Titanic hadn't sunk, then there wouldn't have been a film, which means that Billy Zane wouldn't have been able to pick up the DVD to show to the captain, which would have meant that the Titanic WOULD have sunk. **** you space-time continuum! No wonder Billy Zane seemed so angry in that film. All those lives. Poor, poor Billy.[/p][/quote]In my last post, the censors deleted a word homonymic with 'Dam', in case you thought I was being wild with my expletives. I wasn't... unless you're a Victorian gentlewoman. If you are a Victorian gentlewoman, then I sincerely apologise, you **** ***** stupid ********* ****. IOAD
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
It was the old pro's Ste Gee and Rooney that let us down no the new ones. Or was it the sponcers that pick the players.
Really so not the defenders no? It's so sad people are looking for someone to blame and not the England players who let there country down... And you call yourself football fans please....football fans believe in there team and country!
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]It was the old pro's Ste Gee and Rooney that let us down no the new ones. Or was it the sponcers that pick the players.[/p][/quote]Really so not the defenders no? It's so sad people are looking for someone to blame and not the England players who let there country down... And you call yourself football fans please....football fans believe in there team and country! LFCalways
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

LFCalways wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed?

It was surprisingly tender, I thought.
And here is a idiot fan "St Van Roetford" as normal who knows nothing about football
Hey, chill out - it's 2014. We're fine with this sort of thing.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed? It was surprisingly tender, I thought.[/p][/quote]And here is a idiot fan "St Van Roetford" as normal who knows nothing about football[/p][/quote]Hey, chill out - it's 2014. We're fine with this sort of thing. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

4:40pm Fri 20 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....
Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

4:43pm Fri 20 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

damoose wrote:
Can anybody translate this Dutch speak?

Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation.

This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know.

Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go."

Non-valeur

"That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats"

From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor."

Button doogehakt

Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he

Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end.

Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp.

That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned.

Third choice

In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute.

The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated.
Team Game. Sum of it's parts. As I have always stated.

So you start building a team around team players.

Someone with vision, dribbling AND passing ability, an engine and a desire to use the football properly, a gift and experience beyond his years.
So Woy (I was starting to call him Roy) was getting it right, then he drops Lallana -anyone know why?
He then perseveres with the younger, headless chicken, disappear up your own anus, hit and hope version and falls flat on his face.
While I'm on a rant, he would have been better making a stirring speech about young lions ready to become heroes rather than slagging off the opponent's star turn. Falls flat on face again.
So, let's all sit down, enjoy the rest of the World Cup, and all it's thrills, spills, twists and turns, drama and excitement. Let's hope our players can watch and learn too, because it's my bet that it's the proper TEAMS with TEAM SPIRIT that make the most progress.

Food for thought everyone, especially maybe Adam, Dejan and Luke.
You tend to miss things once they're gone.
My bet is, that mwatch a TEAM triumphm
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: Can anybody translate this Dutch speak? Rotterdam, Oct. 8 A book like settlement: it is more exposure. In the book that is being presented today, Louis van Gaal - Biography and vision, the protagonist (and lead author) looks at his colleague Ronald Koeman on the grain. It is spicy, because Koeman followed Van Gaal this summer as coach of AZ. And it is remarkable as Van Gaal himself in his biography praises for his honesty and directness, always looking for the confrontation. This confrontation is missing in this book - a strange mix of autobiography and interviews with supporters. Van Gaal talks, his friends talking (very highly of him); opponents as Ronald Koeman, Marco van Basten, Johan Cruyff and some Ajax Directors at best object of criticism and backbiting. So late former successful coach of Ajax - unintentionally, you may assume - of an unknown side know. Van Gaal writes that he wanted to catch up. "Friend" Koeman late nineties as an assistant to Barcelona "I would not do it," Barcelona President Nunez would have responded. "He only thinks of himself." Koeman came anyway, not long after the beginning of 2000, head coach of Vitesse be. A promotion that Koeman had the goodness of Van Gaal. Owe This took its chairman to ask Vitesse. Had no ransom "John, you deserve so much to me", said Van Gaal against Nuñez, "let that boy go." Non-valeur "That boy," Koeman so, he came almost two years later, with Ajax. And there it went wrong. In his role as technical director Van Gaal was disturbed by coach Ronald Koeman, his subordinate. The coach was "the fruit of Van Gaals 'experience and any advice' pick, but that proved too much to ask. Gaals of 'teacher' Max Koops, a chapter is interviewed by one of the co-authors Robert Heukels long Koeman put down as a beginner, a non-valeur that his players can not communicate well. And listen to the tips of ho 'good' Van Gaal, however. 'Real trainers' immerse themselves in other disciplines, if not Koeman. "What the farmer does not know, he does not. Eats" From Gaals free days crept Koeman to the Ajax Board to complain about the interference of the technical director. But 'TD' Van Gaal had to be strict, he writes, because Koeman was too weak. "The real problem with Ajax: Ronald Koeman no longer had that group in the hand." In fact, "We had already talked about his successor." Button doogehakt Van Gaal said he had to intervene in a feud between the players Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart personally. "Basically Ronald Koeman had to be resolved, but he could not. Then I cut the knot, really just to protect so that he would retain. "His authority in the locker room he Ibrahimovic was sold, problem solved. But thank Van Gaal rather Koeman complained in the media about the departure of his star player Zlatan. So it came to the relationship between Van Gaal and Koeman (their wives Hilda and Bartina were the best of friends) to an end. Van Gaal had even called over to the Ajax players to force the sponsor of Fiat to the club to come, and not with their BMWs. "I asked Koeman:" Put you out? " No, he did not. Then I do it, I said. "After the case was so chirp. That the period-Koeman two league titles, the KNVB Cup and reaching the Champions League quarter-final was the most successful of the last twelve years at Ajax, remains unmentioned. Third choice In 2005, Van Gaal moved to AZ (again as a coach), and this summer Koeman followed him. About that Van Gaal sneers that Koeman was only third choice, after Co Adriaanse and Dick Advocaat. These toppers would not come to Alkmaar. But do not worry, even Koeman's best 'a very reasonable substitute. The book launch does not take place in the stadium of AZ, the club with which Van Gaal was champion and he writes so hot. The club moreover, where he says he left grudge against Ajax. Biography and vision is tonight at baptism held at the Arena, where Van Gaal lost the battle of Koeman and all kinds of power games. Strange or not, at least this location is at a safe distance from Ronald Koeman, the man whose mind now as not appreciated.[/p][/quote]Team Game. Sum of it's parts. As I have always stated. So you start building a team around team players. Someone with vision, dribbling AND passing ability, an engine and a desire to use the football properly, a gift and experience beyond his years. So Woy (I was starting to call him Roy) was getting it right, then he drops Lallana -anyone know why? He then perseveres with the younger, headless chicken, disappear up your own anus, hit and hope version and falls flat on his face. While I'm on a rant, he would have been better making a stirring speech about young lions ready to become heroes rather than slagging off the opponent's star turn. Falls flat on face again. So, let's all sit down, enjoy the rest of the World Cup, and all it's thrills, spills, twists and turns, drama and excitement. Let's hope our players can watch and learn too, because it's my bet that it's the proper TEAMS with TEAM SPIRIT that make the most progress. Food for thought everyone, especially maybe Adam, Dejan and Luke. You tend to miss things once they're gone. My bet is, that mwatch a TEAM triumphm lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

Sorry, I did not want to be associated with THAT!
My only comment on it was the last line, which, quite rightly, makes no sense at all!
Sorry, I did not want to be associated with THAT! My only comment on it was the last line, which, quite rightly, makes no sense at all! lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Fri 20 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

just watched the first goal again and gerrard missed a tackle in the middle of the pitch, in fact the commentator said "gerrard has been run through". gerrard and Henderson then both had an opportunity to tackle again before the ball was passed to Cavani, but both went in half hearted and missed the ball again. the ball got to Cavani and instead of getting to the player Johnson backed away, giving him space on the edge of the box. gerrard and Henderson both just jogged back to the box with Henderson just sticking a leg out to try to block Cavani`s cross. had he busted a gut to get back he might have been able to stop the cross or make a tackle. Jagielka then failed to track Suarez's run and let him get in behind him.
the second goal came from an aimless punt up field which gerrard miss judged and headed back into Suarez's path. jagielka was again in the wrong position and let suarez get in behind him. cahill then could have got across faster to suarez, who was dead on his feat and nearly stumbled. cahill should have thrown everything he had at trying to block suarez`s shot but barely lifted a leg.
its clear for everyone to see that the first goal came straight through the diverpool midfielders and Johnson. the second came after a mistake from gerrard who if his legs hadn't gone might have been able to jump higher for the header.
suarez was 75% fit yet our defenders let him do what he does best, pulling the defence apart and finding space. the midfield `generals` didn't get back to cover the defence, which was clearly panicking individual errors by our captain cost us, but the whole team were poor. to lose a goal from a punt up field is a school boy error, the team didn't look like they had ever met, who was communicating? the captain should have been commanding his players but it didn't look like anyone was talking. we had players out of position on corners and free kicks. the forwards weren't changing positions or shape, hardly any movement up front and a lack of help from the centre of the pitch. gerrard and Henderson were neither helping the defence or the forwards. two holding midfielders was the wrong choice, I would rather have had lumpard with gerrard, or instead of him.
poor performances from the players but with poor tactics and wrongly timed substitutions.
both the players and roy should take equal blame for last nights shambles.
we now have to hope that Italy can win both their games and we can beat costa coffee by a few goals, but I cant see where the goals will come from if roy sticks with the same team which he will.
just watched the first goal again and gerrard missed a tackle in the middle of the pitch, in fact the commentator said "gerrard has been run through". gerrard and Henderson then both had an opportunity to tackle again before the ball was passed to Cavani, but both went in half hearted and missed the ball again. the ball got to Cavani and instead of getting to the player Johnson backed away, giving him space on the edge of the box. gerrard and Henderson both just jogged back to the box with Henderson just sticking a leg out to try to block Cavani`s cross. had he busted a gut to get back he might have been able to stop the cross or make a tackle. Jagielka then failed to track Suarez's run and let him get in behind him. the second goal came from an aimless punt up field which gerrard miss judged and headed back into Suarez's path. jagielka was again in the wrong position and let suarez get in behind him. cahill then could have got across faster to suarez, who was dead on his feat and nearly stumbled. cahill should have thrown everything he had at trying to block suarez`s shot but barely lifted a leg. its clear for everyone to see that the first goal came straight through the diverpool midfielders and Johnson. the second came after a mistake from gerrard who if his legs hadn't gone might have been able to jump higher for the header. suarez was 75% fit yet our defenders let him do what he does best, pulling the defence apart and finding space. the midfield `generals` didn't get back to cover the defence, which was clearly panicking individual errors by our captain cost us, but the whole team were poor. to lose a goal from a punt up field is a school boy error, the team didn't look like they had ever met, who was communicating? the captain should have been commanding his players but it didn't look like anyone was talking. we had players out of position on corners and free kicks. the forwards weren't changing positions or shape, hardly any movement up front and a lack of help from the centre of the pitch. gerrard and Henderson were neither helping the defence or the forwards. two holding midfielders was the wrong choice, I would rather have had lumpard with gerrard, or instead of him. poor performances from the players but with poor tactics and wrongly timed substitutions. both the players and roy should take equal blame for last nights shambles. we now have to hope that Italy can win both their games and we can beat costa coffee by a few goals, but I cant see where the goals will come from if roy sticks with the same team which he will. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed?

It was surprisingly tender, I thought.
I was sincerely touched by it in a lumberjack, heavy crane operating, paratrooper but nevertheless non homophobic way.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed? It was surprisingly tender, I thought.[/p][/quote]I was sincerely touched by it in a lumberjack, heavy crane operating, paratrooper but nevertheless non homophobic way. jls217
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan
He's Skiverpool's head scout.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan[/p][/quote]He's Skiverpool's head scout. jls217
  • Score: 1

5:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
Wish I'd said all of that mate - spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]Wish I'd said all of that mate - spot on. jls217
  • Score: 5

5:09pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

After England's goal we had a period of domination when I actually felt a win was on the cards. Then Gerrard jumped for a ball that one of the centre halves had completely covered colliding with him leading to loss of possession and a total reversal of dominance with the clock ever ticking. Very poor.
After England's goal we had a period of domination when I actually felt a win was on the cards. Then Gerrard jumped for a ball that one of the centre halves had completely covered colliding with him leading to loss of possession and a total reversal of dominance with the clock ever ticking. Very poor. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Fri 20 Jun 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Feeder feeder be thy name
Giving us players be thy game

Innit
Ah, so yesterday a Liverpool fan, today a Spurs fan - master of disguise.

How about you stop wearing the masks and come on here as a self confessed Pompey fan, or is that too humiliating?

It's like going to Alcoholics Anonymous - just stand up and say it in front of all of us and you'll be on the road to recovery, unlike your team.
How about we all just ignore the imbeciles - they'll give up eventually. Don't bite JD.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Feeder feeder be thy name Giving us players be thy game Innit[/p][/quote]Ah, so yesterday a Liverpool fan, today a Spurs fan - master of disguise. How about you stop wearing the masks and come on here as a self confessed Pompey fan, or is that too humiliating? It's like going to Alcoholics Anonymous - just stand up and say it in front of all of us and you'll be on the road to recovery, unlike your team.[/p][/quote]How about we all just ignore the imbeciles - they'll give up eventually. Don't bite JD. jls217
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

saintgunner says...

Saint_rob wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Saint_rob wrote:
chapellady wrote:
But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....
Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side.
Funny that......
Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals.
Agree.
It just amazes me how every footie fan can see this but not the English
Manager?
Most people would agree that Roy should have begged John Terry to go?
Like him or not he is a Leader and would control the defensive side of the game.
The major issue with the England team is that there are too few English players playing regularly in the Premiership. The FA should stand up to the PL and insist that that 50% of first team squad and 50% of each match day squad are eligible to play for England. Players like Lescott, Micah Richards and Jack Rodwell might have been possible s for Brazil but never considered due their almost total lack of first team football. I'm sure there are many more names. The PL's justification is that 'our players will benefit by playing alongside international stars. The only players who benefit seem to be the international stars led by Suarez!
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: But if we start with Shaw, Lallana and Lambert and manage to win our last game it will show what bad team selection we had for the first two games so it won't happen. Hopefully after seeing how dire there potential new club teammates were Lallana and Shaw might decide they want to stay with Saints and be straight on the phone to RK to ask what time they need to be at work next week.....[/p][/quote]Yeah the only decent Liverpool player on the pitch was on the other side. Funny that......[/p][/quote]Yeah you are right. It would be great if the mouthy Scousers lose Suarez. They would then become a mid table side overnight. Adam looks better playing for Saints than he does for England for the simple reason that he has better players around him at St. Marys, and they know and understand each other's game better. A good team is so much better than good individuals.[/p][/quote]Agree. It just amazes me how every footie fan can see this but not the English Manager? Most people would agree that Roy should have begged John Terry to go? Like him or not he is a Leader and would control the defensive side of the game.[/p][/quote]The major issue with the England team is that there are too few English players playing regularly in the Premiership. The FA should stand up to the PL and insist that that 50% of first team squad and 50% of each match day squad are eligible to play for England. Players like Lescott, Micah Richards and Jack Rodwell might have been possible s for Brazil but never considered due their almost total lack of first team football. I'm sure there are many more names. The PL's justification is that 'our players will benefit by playing alongside international stars. The only players who benefit seem to be the international stars led by Suarez! saintgunner
  • Score: 3

5:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....
Hello newbie, who were you before?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....[/p][/quote]Hello newbie, who were you before? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Coffee should have had a Penalty, justice done they are 1 up.
Costa Coffee should have had a Penalty, justice done they are 1 up. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Fri 20 Jun 14

damoose says...

Southampton have had a great season and managed to secure a strong 8th place. However, there is a lot of uncertainty over whether they can maintain the success they experienced this season due to the amount of players who are rumoured to be leaving this summer.

The loss of manager Mauricio Pochettino to Spurs could prove a huge blow for Southampton as the new manager will have to negotiate well for the sale of players but also choose their replacements well too.

This article will look at the current squad and identify its strengths and weaknesses rather than speculating on potential transfers.

GK -

Artur Boruc has had a good season this year and has finished with 14 clean sheets in 29 games. With experienced Kelvin Davis as backup this is a safe position that the Saints do not have to worry about replacing and it allows them the focus on other positions.

RB -

Nathaniel Clyne has shown himself to be a quality full back with good offensive and defensive capabilities and at 23 years old he has the potential to get even better. Calum Chambers is another player which shows great potential and is catching the eye of a number of clubs. He is yet another example of Southampton's youth academy and looks to be a promising player.

LB -

Not much needs to be said regarding Luke Shaw. At 18 he is already part of the England World Cup squad and is yet another quality young player. This season has shown that Shaw is able to compete at the highest levels and has established him over more experienced players in the squad. If the Saints do lose Shaw they will no doubt have to replace him. However, with the sale of Danny Fox the Saints are left without sufficient cover for this position and so cover will be needed regardless.

CB -

Dejan Lovren has proved a quality transfer for Southampton and if they can hold onto him this summer he will be a basis for the new manager to build around. Jose Fonte has been Lovren's partner at the back and has played well but if Southampton are going to try to push higher up the table they will have to find a more capable partner. It is the same case as the backup for the position; Maya Yoshida and Jos Hooiveld are not capable of being a first team players if Lovren or Fonte were injured and so the new manager may have to address this issue.

CDM -

Morgan Schneiderlin has been a revelation and has shown how much ability he possesses. At times he has shown the discipline needed for a defensive midfielder and has managed to pull the team together when they needed to grind out a result. Victor Wanyama has not been such a success, failing to register a single goal or assist in 23 games, after signing for £12.5 million fans might have expected a little more from the signing. But at 21 years old he still has plenty of time to prove himself at St Marys. With Jack Cork and Steven Davis as cover Southampton have this position well covered.

CM - James Ward-Prowse is yet another promising young player for Southampton who looks set to become a very good player in the future. Despite being only 19 years of age he played 34 games this season and has claimed his place in the first team ahead of more experienced players due to his great form. Although there is little back up for this position many of the defensive midfielders are comfortable with this position and so cover is not desperately needed.

CAM -

Adam Lallana is another player who held incredible form throughout the season and has become an exciting prospect for the World Cup. Although the captain only finished the season with nine goals and six assists in 38 games his effect on the rest of the team is very visible. There has been much debate surrounding Gaston Ramirez as he was another big money signing that has not had an immediate effect. In 18 games he only managed to get his name on the score sheet once and only provided three assists. Therefore the new manager will have to decide whether to have faith in the Uruguayan, and if Lallana does leave he will be under a lot of pressure to perform and fill the void that would be left.

RW/LW -

This is a weak area of the squad with only Jay Rodriguez capable of playing the position to a first team quality. Southampton have been playing other midfielders in these roles which have worked well but it reduces the flexibility of the squad and so is an area that should be addressed in the summer transfer window.

ST -

This is another weak area of the squad especially with the departure of Rickie Lambert and Emmanuel Mayuka yet to prove himself in the Premier League. There is debate over whether Dani Osvaldo should remain at St Marys or not, there is no doubt over his ability but there is a question over whether he works well within a team or not. Southampton will have to bolster this position if they hope to retain the same success as the past season.

Southampton have an incredible amount of potential coming through the ranks but to succeed they have to hold onto their promising starlets. This summer has the potential to be decisive for Southampton, if they spend wisely and manage to retain most of this season's players then they have a good chance of recreating the same success.
Southampton have had a great season and managed to secure a strong 8th place. However, there is a lot of uncertainty over whether they can maintain the success they experienced this season due to the amount of players who are rumoured to be leaving this summer. The loss of manager Mauricio Pochettino to Spurs could prove a huge blow for Southampton as the new manager will have to negotiate well for the sale of players but also choose their replacements well too. This article will look at the current squad and identify its strengths and weaknesses rather than speculating on potential transfers. GK - Artur Boruc has had a good season this year and has finished with 14 clean sheets in 29 games. With experienced Kelvin Davis as backup this is a safe position that the Saints do not have to worry about replacing and it allows them the focus on other positions. RB - Nathaniel Clyne has shown himself to be a quality full back with good offensive and defensive capabilities and at 23 years old he has the potential to get even better. Calum Chambers is another player which shows great potential and is catching the eye of a number of clubs. He is yet another example of Southampton's youth academy and looks to be a promising player. LB - Not much needs to be said regarding Luke Shaw. At 18 he is already part of the England World Cup squad and is yet another quality young player. This season has shown that Shaw is able to compete at the highest levels and has established him over more experienced players in the squad. If the Saints do lose Shaw they will no doubt have to replace him. However, with the sale of Danny Fox the Saints are left without sufficient cover for this position and so cover will be needed regardless. CB - Dejan Lovren has proved a quality transfer for Southampton and if they can hold onto him this summer he will be a basis for the new manager to build around. Jose Fonte has been Lovren's partner at the back and has played well but if Southampton are going to try to push higher up the table they will have to find a more capable partner. It is the same case as the backup for the position; Maya Yoshida and Jos Hooiveld are not capable of being a first team players if Lovren or Fonte were injured and so the new manager may have to address this issue. CDM - Morgan Schneiderlin has been a revelation and has shown how much ability he possesses. At times he has shown the discipline needed for a defensive midfielder and has managed to pull the team together when they needed to grind out a result. Victor Wanyama has not been such a success, failing to register a single goal or assist in 23 games, after signing for £12.5 million fans might have expected a little more from the signing. But at 21 years old he still has plenty of time to prove himself at St Marys. With Jack Cork and Steven Davis as cover Southampton have this position well covered. CM - James Ward-Prowse is yet another promising young player for Southampton who looks set to become a very good player in the future. Despite being only 19 years of age he played 34 games this season and has claimed his place in the first team ahead of more experienced players due to his great form. Although there is little back up for this position many of the defensive midfielders are comfortable with this position and so cover is not desperately needed. CAM - Adam Lallana is another player who held incredible form throughout the season and has become an exciting prospect for the World Cup. Although the captain only finished the season with nine goals and six assists in 38 games his effect on the rest of the team is very visible. There has been much debate surrounding Gaston Ramirez as he was another big money signing that has not had an immediate effect. In 18 games he only managed to get his name on the score sheet once and only provided three assists. Therefore the new manager will have to decide whether to have faith in the Uruguayan, and if Lallana does leave he will be under a lot of pressure to perform and fill the void that would be left. RW/LW - This is a weak area of the squad with only Jay Rodriguez capable of playing the position to a first team quality. Southampton have been playing other midfielders in these roles which have worked well but it reduces the flexibility of the squad and so is an area that should be addressed in the summer transfer window. ST - This is another weak area of the squad especially with the departure of Rickie Lambert and Emmanuel Mayuka yet to prove himself in the Premier League. There is debate over whether Dani Osvaldo should remain at St Marys or not, there is no doubt over his ability but there is a question over whether he works well within a team or not. Southampton will have to bolster this position if they hope to retain the same success as the past season. Southampton have an incredible amount of potential coming through the ranks but to succeed they have to hold onto their promising starlets. This summer has the potential to be decisive for Southampton, if they spend wisely and manage to retain most of this season's players then they have a good chance of recreating the same success. damoose
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Fri 20 Jun 14

redsnapper says...

Costa Rica--1 0 up excellent. The sooner the embarrassing outfit called Ingerlund leave this tournament the better.

As for playing for Liverpool next season Adam, if you do you will find yourself as popular as the proverbial t*** in a swimming pool.
Costa Rica--1 0 up excellent. The sooner the embarrassing outfit called Ingerlund leave this tournament the better. As for playing for Liverpool next season Adam, if you do you will find yourself as popular as the proverbial t*** in a swimming pool. redsnapper
  • Score: 3

6:30pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite?

We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.
Or the Flying Lizards..."Money..th
at's what I want".
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]To be fair, we do have an absolutely terrible national anthem. I mean, leaving aside the fact it's an absolute dirge that makes Elbow sound like the Spice Girls, it has lyrics which are an obvious affront to both atheists and republicans. I mean, if you're a leading light in the National Secular Society (as I'm fairly sure Wayne Rooney is) then our anthem is a hymn calling on a non-existent deity to preserve an undemocratic, medieval power structure. How can he sing that without being an utter hypocrite? We need a new anthem that celebrates our diversity and freedom to think what we like. We should get Olly Murs or someone on the job.[/p][/quote]Or the Flying Lizards..."Money..th at's what I want". Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Southampton boy wrote:
I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.
Rumour has it they've hired a stealth bomber.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: I hear they will fly back into some unknown airport so that they can miss all media show. Wrong team selected again by a **** poor manager.[/p][/quote]Rumour has it they've hired a stealth bomber. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed?

It was surprisingly tender, I thought.
Probably gave him a hickey.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Did anyone see Suarez getting off with his mate after he got subbed? It was surprisingly tender, I thought.[/p][/quote]Probably gave him a hickey. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.
Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team. echo1948
  • Score: 7

6:46pm Fri 20 Jun 14

SO50 Saint says...

Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment.

Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again
Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment. Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again SO50 Saint
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

They think it is all over, it is now.
They think it is all over, it is now. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

7:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

England just got knocked out by Costa Rica beating Italy....England and Woy were just not good enough...We lost to Italy so why play a losing team twice?
roll on Euro16
England just got knocked out by Costa Rica beating Italy....England and Woy were just not good enough...We lost to Italy so why play a losing team twice? roll on Euro16 Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

Well that's definitely on the way home after the Costa Rica match. I hope Woy plays the so called second team as the so called stars from Diverpool were poor. Gerard has lost it, and was responsible for the 2nd goal. The only player that had a good game was Sturridge. The problem we have in England is that premiership clubs just want to buy success. If you look at the clubs there Is a lack of quality young English players coming through. It's only Saints that are doing a decent job.
Well that's definitely on the way home after the Costa Rica match. I hope Woy plays the so called second team as the so called stars from Diverpool were poor. Gerard has lost it, and was responsible for the 2nd goal. The only player that had a good game was Sturridge. The problem we have in England is that premiership clubs just want to buy success. If you look at the clubs there Is a lack of quality young English players coming through. It's only Saints that are doing a decent job. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
They think it is all over, it is now.
Secrets out Osprey...you're Kenneth Wolstenhome ,aren't you!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: They think it is all over, it is now.[/p][/quote]Secrets out Osprey...you're Kenneth Wolstenhome ,aren't you! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Fri 20 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper.
poor tactics
poor squad/team selection
poor build up
and pi$$ poor performances.
well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low!
that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper. poor tactics poor squad/team selection poor build up and pi$$ poor performances. well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper.
poor tactics
poor squad/team selection
poor build up
and pi$$ poor performances.
well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low!
Same old,same old.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper. poor tactics poor squad/team selection poor build up and pi$$ poor performances. well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low![/p][/quote]Same old,same old. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

7:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
They think it is all over, it is now.
Secrets out Osprey...you're Kenneth Wolstenhome ,aren't you!
Wish I had his money! More David Colemanballs me.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: They think it is all over, it is now.[/p][/quote]Secrets out Osprey...you're Kenneth Wolstenhome ,aren't you![/p][/quote]Wish I had his money! More David Colemanballs me. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Invidia says...

surprises then that England did not get through I did not believe England were good enough to get to the knockout games and when Roy's selection was made yesterday we had no chance.
So what happens at the end of full tie with Italy v Uruguay and the score is a draw will they play extra time or what?
surprises then that England did not get through I did not believe England were good enough to get to the knockout games and when Roy's selection was made yesterday we had no chance. So what happens at the end of full tie with Italy v Uruguay and the score is a draw will they play extra time or what? Invidia
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Fri 20 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper.
poor tactics
poor squad/team selection
poor build up
and pi$$ poor performances.
well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low!
What did we expect? Same old faces,with a few new ones,(token gesture) 5Liverpool players, 4 United players,who all seem to think they have a divine right to play. Absolutely diabolical team selection and awful performances.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper. poor tactics poor squad/team selection poor build up and pi$$ poor performances. well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low![/p][/quote]What did we expect? Same old faces,with a few new ones,(token gesture) 5Liverpool players, 4 United players,who all seem to think they have a divine right to play. Absolutely diabolical team selection and awful performances. echo1948
  • Score: 4

7:22pm Fri 20 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
your so right about steve g !I wouldnt play him in a second rate pub team the guys really lost the plot ! what an earth was hodgson thinking now were going home early heads need to roll !
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]your so right about steve g !I wouldnt play him in a second rate pub team the guys really lost the plot ! what an earth was hodgson thinking now were going home early heads need to roll ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Fri 20 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

echo1948 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper.
poor tactics
poor squad/team selection
poor build up
and pi$$ poor performances.
well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low!
What did we expect? Same old faces,with a few new ones,(token gesture) 5Liverpool players, 4 United players,who all seem to think they have a divine right to play. Absolutely diabolical team selection and awful performances.
I`m not moaning about being knocked out, I think most of us knew we would struggle. its the manor in which we`ve been knocked out. the pundits saying how well we played in the first game made me laugh though, Italy were there for the taking but we allowed them all the time and space they wanted, even with 2 holding midfielders!
we struggled to create decent chances and when we did they fell to the wrong players.
even if roy thought that we played well in the first game why did he then change it for the second. he had a misplaced belief that the 4 forwards were interchangeable, none of the 4 he picked can play as wide men, it took J-rod half a season to adjust yet roy thinks he can do get the players adjusted in a month.
why take the ox? he was clearly too injured to play and wont take part in the next game now.
as people have said though its the same old same old, when was the last time England took a fully fit squad to a world cup? shrek and becks recently and going back to robson in mexico.
only another 4 years until the next world cup, 2 of which we now know will be under roys management!
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: that's it then, 4 years of waiting and we`ve gone out in a whimper. poor tactics poor squad/team selection poor build up and pi$$ poor performances. well done to the old guard, you've managed to sink to a new low![/p][/quote]What did we expect? Same old faces,with a few new ones,(token gesture) 5Liverpool players, 4 United players,who all seem to think they have a divine right to play. Absolutely diabolical team selection and awful performances.[/p][/quote]I`m not moaning about being knocked out, I think most of us knew we would struggle. its the manor in which we`ve been knocked out. the pundits saying how well we played in the first game made me laugh though, Italy were there for the taking but we allowed them all the time and space they wanted, even with 2 holding midfielders! we struggled to create decent chances and when we did they fell to the wrong players. even if roy thought that we played well in the first game why did he then change it for the second. he had a misplaced belief that the 4 forwards were interchangeable, none of the 4 he picked can play as wide men, it took J-rod half a season to adjust yet roy thinks he can do get the players adjusted in a month. why take the ox? he was clearly too injured to play and wont take part in the next game now. as people have said though its the same old same old, when was the last time England took a fully fit squad to a world cup? shrek and becks recently and going back to robson in mexico. only another 4 years until the next world cup, 2 of which we now know will be under roys management! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Will give all the hitherto non-starters a start against Costa Rica (including Luke)? Maybe not - if that team should play a blinder he'll be in even more trouble for not picking them in the first place.
Will give all the hitherto non-starters a start against Costa Rica (including Luke)? Maybe not - if that team should play a blinder he'll be in even more trouble for not picking them in the first place. Confucious
  • Score: 5

8:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Glad I'm not an England flag salesman.
Glad I'm not an England flag salesman. Confucious
  • Score: 6

8:14pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Confucious wrote:
Glad I'm not an England flag salesman.
Yeah,they've all been caught offside.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Glad I'm not an England flag salesman.[/p][/quote]Yeah,they've all been caught offside. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

8:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Text from my daughter: "Been waiting years for England to play like Spain. Finally got my wish!"
Text from my daughter: "Been waiting years for England to play like Spain. Finally got my wish!" Confucious
  • Score: 10

8:23pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Home Rule for England says...

I'm surprised the press haven't blamed our defeat against Uruguay on Lambert because he didn't score in the three minutes he was on the pitch.
I'm surprised the press haven't blamed our defeat against Uruguay on Lambert because he didn't score in the three minutes he was on the pitch. Home Rule for England
  • Score: 4

8:25pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Would love Gaston to score a winner against Italy!
Would love Gaston to score a winner against Italy! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:38pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

jls217 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan
He's Skiverpool's head scout.
For god sake grow up.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan[/p][/quote]He's Skiverpool's head scout.[/p][/quote]For god sake grow up. LFCalways
  • Score: -3

8:41pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Tirau Dan says...

I played as a kid and I've watched the game all my life. I'm not an expert or a pundit but know what I like in football and what I don't. I'm pretty sure I can see when a team is playing to a plan and when they are not.

The 2 games played by this outfit were the worst I've seen on television by an England team. What a load of rubbish and what a load of rubbish in print by the pundits.

Don't ever appoint a journeyman manager again. don't ever believe anyone outside top 4 will ever get a fair go. With us lot moaning no decent manager would go near the England team laugh but there may be a Spaniard available.

Rejoice in the Saints.. a team going places, decent manager, excellent board and loveRly owner.. out football silver lining.
I played as a kid and I've watched the game all my life. I'm not an expert or a pundit but know what I like in football and what I don't. I'm pretty sure I can see when a team is playing to a plan and when they are not. The 2 games played by this outfit were the worst I've seen on television by an England team. What a load of rubbish and what a load of rubbish in print by the pundits. Don't ever appoint a journeyman manager again. don't ever believe anyone outside top 4 will ever get a fair go. With us lot moaning no decent manager would go near the England team laugh but there may be a Spaniard available. Rejoice in the Saints.. a team going places, decent manager, excellent board and loveRly owner.. out football silver lining. Tirau Dan
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches! St.Gaz
  • Score: 2

8:56pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LFCalways wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan
He's Skiverpool's head scout.
For god sake grow up.
Calm down, it's a joke, haven't you had a sense of humour installed.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: How come Roy spent so much time at St Mary's, I can only assume it was for the hospitality. He should have given Lala SRL and Shaw 30 minuets together in the second half and we would almost be into the next round, but what do I know I'm just a fan[/p][/quote]He's Skiverpool's head scout.[/p][/quote]For god sake grow up.[/p][/quote]Calm down, it's a joke, haven't you had a sense of humour installed. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Santa Retfordia says...

St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
[quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.) Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 11

9:19pm Fri 20 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....
Hello newbie, who were you before?
The same person who has posted on here for 5 years. wakey wakey. Some people don't spend all there time on here and create a cyber life to replace the real life that does not exist.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....[/p][/quote]Hello newbie, who were you before?[/p][/quote]The same person who has posted on here for 5 years. wakey wakey. Some people don't spend all there time on here and create a cyber life to replace the real life that does not exist. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)[/p][/quote]correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

9:30pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....
Hello newbie, who were you before?
The same person who has posted on here for 5 years. wakey wakey. Some people don't spend all there time on here and create a cyber life to replace the real life that does not exist.
Sorry, didn't recognise the sign on, I also misread your post too, having a senior moment, a bit punch drunk from recent posters, apologies to you.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Lallana is not good enough to start for England.....he gives the ball away too cheaply. Actually he would fit it perfectly , what am I saying....[/p][/quote]Hello newbie, who were you before?[/p][/quote]The same person who has posted on here for 5 years. wakey wakey. Some people don't spend all there time on here and create a cyber life to replace the real life that does not exist.[/p][/quote]Sorry, didn't recognise the sign on, I also misread your post too, having a senior moment, a bit punch drunk from recent posters, apologies to you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Santa Retfordia says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.
This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football?

I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)[/p][/quote]correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.[/p][/quote]This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football? I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 3

10:19pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.
This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football?

I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.
Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)[/p][/quote]correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.[/p][/quote]This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football? I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.[/p][/quote]Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

11:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.
This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football?

I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.
Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it.
There's a really good book on this exact subject by Jean Baudrillard called 'The Gulf War Did Not Take Place' in which he argues that what was essentially just a massive air strike and bombardment got substituted by the media into a proper war by showing constant images of combat that made you think something was really happening on the ground.

A similar thing's happening in football: we're so saturated with propaganda about how the Premier League is the best league in the world that no one asks how British clubs are still so far below the standards of their European rivals, much less how the England team is so inferior to even quite average foreign sides.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)[/p][/quote]correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.[/p][/quote]This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football? I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.[/p][/quote]Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it.[/p][/quote]There's a really good book on this exact subject by Jean Baudrillard called 'The Gulf War Did Not Take Place' in which he argues that what was essentially just a massive air strike and bombardment got substituted by the media into a proper war by showing constant images of combat that made you think something was really happening on the ground. A similar thing's happening in football: we're so saturated with propaganda about how the Premier League is the best league in the world that no one asks how British clubs are still so far below the standards of their European rivals, much less how the England team is so inferior to even quite average foreign sides. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
St.Gaz wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.
God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s
Makes you think how much they really care!
The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!)
Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!!
There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches!
I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third.

This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them.

I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down.

(Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)
correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.
This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football?

I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.
Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it.
There's a really good book on this exact subject by Jean Baudrillard called 'The Gulf War Did Not Take Place' in which he argues that what was essentially just a massive air strike and bombardment got substituted by the media into a proper war by showing constant images of combat that made you think something was really happening on the ground.

A similar thing's happening in football: we're so saturated with propaganda about how the Premier League is the best league in the world that no one asks how British clubs are still so far below the standards of their European rivals, much less how the England team is so inferior to even quite average foreign sides.
Well we're not getting what we're paying for,that's for sure.
What annoys me more than anything,is we are always supposed to be at the stage of "building for the future", but the " future " has been coming for about twelve years now,and still hasn't arrived yet!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: You can see from the anthems at the start of the games that some of the perceived lesser nations are united in full blooded passionate singing of their anthem. Few of our lot have that passion. They earn too much, live a ridiculously overpaid celebrity lifestyle and representing their country doesn't mean enough. Besides that of course, they just aren't good enough, but when you are paid millions of pounds a year, there is no pressure or worry about your future. They still go home to their mansions and Ferraris while the rest of us pay good hard earned money to watch them fail time and time again.[/p][/quote]God how true! Over paid premadonnas why the nation mourns after watching are so called best players go out of the World Cup!they go back to there super models' sports cars' and big mansions and maybe pop off for a nice little break! Why the rest of us go back to are 9to5s Makes you think how much they really care! The England shirt dose not mean what it used to (pride!) Now it's just sponcers and pound notes!!!!!!! There a disgrace from the manager to the over payed players to the bigwigs at the FA the lot of them!!!!! The should be ashamed of themselves there's more passion with the under 5s on football pitches across the land than was shown at those two matches![/p][/quote]I don't think it's down to a lack of passion; I think it's purely down to a lack of technique and that is the fault of the Premier League. Against Italy we ran our hearts out and showed all the passion in the world, but there wasn't a single England player on the pitch who looked as comfortable on the ball as the worst Italian did, which is why we can't retain possession in the final third. This is because the Premier League has created an obscenely wealthy elite who either buy in foreign players capable of doing this or they buy promising English talent and, quite often, leave them to rot on the bench. How many of City's or Chelsea's squad last season came through their academies? They don't need to develop talent because they can just buy it, and if a club like Southampton raises it's head above the trenches and shows what academies can do then the big clubs just line up to gang rape them. I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that our last good world cup was the one before the Premier League was introduced. Despite the necessary illusion of competition there's been a complete monopolisation of the market and, like with any market, this drives quality down. (Rant over. And yes, I do feel better for it, thanks for asking.)[/p][/quote]correct but its not only the fault of the premier league , the lack of technique starts at kids football in this country which is nothing short of a disgrace compared to our European cousins.[/p][/quote]This is also true, but do you not think there's a connection between the rise of the Premier League and the choking of support for grass roots football? I think we've allowed football to eat itself. If anyone really gave a sh1t we'd do something but the truth is most people are happy to pay their Sky subscriptions and watch their Super Sundays and don't really think of the consequences. It's like Guy Debord said, we've become a society of passive consumers, so stupefied by the spectacle served up to us that we don't question how actually being good at football has been replaced by the appearance of being good at it.[/p][/quote]Good point Ret,and very enlightening. I grew up in the fifties and sixties,when everything was real;having experienced those decades,now to me,it all seems to be just pretend.We're even having wars now,just for the sake of it.[/p][/quote]There's a really good book on this exact subject by Jean Baudrillard called 'The Gulf War Did Not Take Place' in which he argues that what was essentially just a massive air strike and bombardment got substituted by the media into a proper war by showing constant images of combat that made you think something was really happening on the ground. A similar thing's happening in football: we're so saturated with propaganda about how the Premier League is the best league in the world that no one asks how British clubs are still so far below the standards of their European rivals, much less how the England team is so inferior to even quite average foreign sides.[/p][/quote]Well we're not getting what we're paying for,that's for sure. What annoys me more than anything,is we are always supposed to be at the stage of "building for the future", but the " future " has been coming for about twelve years now,and still hasn't arrived yet! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

2:05am Sat 21 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

echo1948 wrote:
Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.
But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.[/p][/quote]But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

7:46am Sat 21 Jun 14

torbay george says...

Get used to it Lallana if you go to Liverpool that's your future, coming off the bench in the 70th minute.
Get used to it Lallana if you go to Liverpool that's your future, coming off the bench in the 70th minute. torbay george
  • Score: 4

8:02am Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Confucious wrote:
Text from my daughter: "Been waiting years for England to play like Spain. Finally got my wish!"
Fantastic! PMSL. No idea from where that wit was inherited.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Text from my daughter: "Been waiting years for England to play like Spain. Finally got my wish!"[/p][/quote]Fantastic! PMSL. No idea from where that wit was inherited. jls217
  • Score: -1

8:12am Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us!
I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc.
I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil!
As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit.

It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".
No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed.
The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.[/p][/quote]Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".[/p][/quote]No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed. The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless. jls217
  • Score: -1

11:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

ItchenBridger says...

Confucious wrote:
Will give all the hitherto non-starters a start against Costa Rica (including Luke)? Maybe not - if that team should play a blinder he'll be in even more trouble for not picking them in the first place.
Confucious, You just hit the nail on the head. You would make a good International Manager, me thinks!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Will give all the hitherto non-starters a start against Costa Rica (including Luke)? Maybe not - if that team should play a blinder he'll be in even more trouble for not picking them in the first place.[/p][/quote]Confucious, You just hit the nail on the head. You would make a good International Manager, me thinks! ItchenBridger
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Sat 21 Jun 14

BANJOED says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection.

Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home.

Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.
I totally agree with your comment, but I very much doubt if Roy will play all 3 Saints in the final meaningless game! It would expose him to even more ridicule for not having all 3 of them on the pitch at the kick-off! My telly is a football no go are at the moment... Pig sick! as they say in the trade!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Called both results so far. Finally Roy will now pick the youngsters who will show us what they can do by winning the last game before coming home. He had the bravery in his squad selection but it evaporated when it came to the crunch of team selection. Portugal have Ronaldo, Argentina Messi, Holland Van Persie, Uruguay Suarez and England Rooney, that's why we're coming home. Stevieeee Geeee needs to admit to not only costing his club the title but also now his countries elimination. He is an embarrassment and needs to announce his international retirement with immediate effect.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your comment, but I very much doubt if Roy will play all 3 Saints in the final meaningless game! It would expose him to even more ridicule for not having all 3 of them on the pitch at the kick-off! My telly is a football no go are at the moment... Pig sick! as they say in the trade! BANJOED
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Whats the Wives going to do with all the Suit Cases!
Whats the Wives going to do with all the Suit Cases! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Sat 21 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

jls217 wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".
No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed. The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless.
You're not a big fan of it, right?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.[/p][/quote]Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".[/p][/quote]No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed. The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless.[/p][/quote]You're not a big fan of it, right? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 2

10:10am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
jls217 wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Mister E wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition!
I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......!
Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.
Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.
Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.
Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".
No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed. The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless.
You're not a big fan of it, right?
Has there ever been a female "Village Idiot"? We should be told........
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: Why is it we always seem so preoccupied by the opposition that we become so utterly predictable? And in turn we make even an average country look good playing against us! I am sure our opposition don't fixate like we do. Of course, be aware of the danger men and of your tactics for a given game, but go out and make the opposition think twice! Instead we are hamstrung and dither. Any of our flair players when they get the ball, instead of doing what got them selected and using their instincts, you can almost hear their minds working, maybe I should, what if, etc. I am sure the opposition relish playing against us as we always make and allow them to look good. They can play their natural game. They also vary their play and attacks making us think, we don't! Classic example: against Italy, one great move down the left - we score! There after we attacked pretty much exclusively down the right, and on the odd occasion through the middle! Utterly predictable for the opposition![/p][/quote]I thought we were showing signs of moving away from the above, but then we arrived in Brazil! As for Lallana, he should have been on from the start in both games. But having not started, he should have been the first change at half time. What point is there in bringing him on so late in the game there is little or no chance of influencing the game! As for bringing Rickie on even later in the game.......![/p][/quote]Absolutely, the game was screaming out for wholesale changes at half time. Prior to the WC all the pundits had Adam down as a definite starter, Roy lost his nerve at the final moment.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's all very well having pace up front, but unless you've also got someone higher up the pitch than Gerrard who is capable of playing passes and pulling the strings then you've just got a load of headless chickens. The game was made for Lalz and Roy bottled it.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you're pretending to be from North London as well, innit.[/p][/quote]Heh - "innit" is surely universal nowadays - everyone says it. I think it's become the British equivalent of "n'est pas".[/p][/quote]No it has become the British equivalent of what was formerly in the English language. "I am an undereducated product of a subspecies which thrives on proving continuously that there will never be a village short of a dullard. My reward for being thus should include being nailed to a west country schitehouse and left there to rot". There could be an alternative meaning, "Do not acknowledge in any way, shape or form anything my remaining brain cell allows me to post on a football forum, lest it encourages me to continue being the aforementioned village dullard". God help us all if this manages to find an equivalent of the opposite sex and they work out how to breed. The Italians have a saying which just about covers this. "The mother of the stupid is always pregnant" - Priceless.[/p][/quote]You're not a big fan of it, right?[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a female "Village Idiot"? We should be told........ OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:11am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Whats the Wives going to do with all the Suit Cases!
I would imagine they would put the redundant England suits in them and bring them home?
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Whats the Wives going to do with all the Suit Cases![/p][/quote]I would imagine they would put the redundant England suits in them and bring them home? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:15am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.
But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further.
Looking at some of the results, we are not exactly alone at the moment, there is some odd stuff going on out there, I am sure it isn't the bookies influencing things through the back door..........
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.[/p][/quote]But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further.[/p][/quote]Looking at some of the results, we are not exactly alone at the moment, there is some odd stuff going on out there, I am sure it isn't the bookies influencing things through the back door.......... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Roy Hodgson was at St Mary's every other week since the New Year......What for, I wonder?

The meat and potato pies?
Roy Hodgson was at St Mary's every other week since the New Year......What for, I wonder? The meat and potato pies? Jan28th1984
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.
But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further.
Looking at some of the results, we are not exactly alone at the moment, there is some odd stuff going on out there, I am sure it isn't the bookies influencing things through the back door..........
This wouldn't surprise me, given the amount of money that seems to be exchanging hands (or should that be envelopes?) throughout the world of football. The World Cup holders getting annihilated 5-1 in their first game? Hmmmm...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Saints players in the England squad should now wake up and smell the coffee.They want to leave St. Mary,s to play CL football,but may now have to face the fact that they will forever be burdened with the fact that they were members of an under achieving international team.[/p][/quote]But they didn't underachieve. They just weren't good enough to go any further.[/p][/quote]Looking at some of the results, we are not exactly alone at the moment, there is some odd stuff going on out there, I am sure it isn't the bookies influencing things through the back door..........[/p][/quote]This wouldn't surprise me, given the amount of money that seems to be exchanging hands (or should that be envelopes?) throughout the world of football. The World Cup holders getting annihilated 5-1 in their first game? Hmmmm... Beer Monster
  • Score: 1

9:46pm Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
Roy Hodgson was at St Mary's every other week since the New Year......What for, I wonder?

The meat and potato pies?
It was obvious he had the hots for Kat.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Roy Hodgson was at St Mary's every other week since the New Year......What for, I wonder? The meat and potato pies?[/p][/quote]It was obvious he had the hots for Kat. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:59am Mon 23 Jun 14

saintray says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Blackknight wrote:
Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise.

All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter.

Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.
Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so.
If Roy isn't picking the team then who is? I was so disappointed to see our players mostly left out of the first two games it makes you wonder just how much Roy dose think of them!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Hodgson puts the same team out and gets the same result, oh what a surprise. All kick and rush, schoolboy defending and Shrek misses a sitter. Get Ricky on to hold the ball up, let Luke attack down the left and Adam create in the middle. Then England might even win game.[/p][/quote]Do you really think Roy really is allowed to pick the team he wants? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]If Roy isn't picking the team then who is? I was so disappointed to see our players mostly left out of the first two games it makes you wonder just how much Roy dose think of them! saintray
  • Score: 0

9:37am Mon 23 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment.

Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again
Might HAVE
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment. Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again[/p][/quote]Might HAVE lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

11:34am Mon 23 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

lowe esteem wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment.

Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again
Might HAVE
Just in case you have any silly ideas, I am not lowe esteem!
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Bit disappointed with Lallana last night thought he might of really took the game to them in the 20 mins he had but didn't really do anything. Saying that i've got a downer on the bloke with all the media stuff that's been doing the rounds at the moment. Very rarely post on here anymore but looks like the usual pre season morons are out in force again[/p][/quote]Might HAVE[/p][/quote]Just in case you have any silly ideas, I am not lowe esteem! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

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