COMMENT: Saints' want-away stars should hang their heads in shame

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw

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The hammer blows keep on raining down on Saints fans.

Whack! Rickie Lambert, Saints’ talisman during their phoenix-like post-administration resurrection, joins Liverpool for around £4.5m.

Whack! Teenage defender Luke Shaw signs a five-year contract one year, and joins Manchester United less than 12 months later.

Whack! Adam Lallana joins Liverpool for £25m, a year and a bit after he signed a new five-year contract at St Mary’s.

On moving to Anfield, Lallana is quoted on Liverpool’s TV station uttering words that slice through every Saints fan’s heart.

“I’m so excited for the next chapter of my career, coming to a special club like Liverpool.

“It is a huge step. Liverpool has so much history and after the season they had last season I can’t wait to get started and build on that.

“Watching the run-in towards the end of last season was unbelievable.

“It got the hairs on the back of my neck standing up just watching the style of football.

“Deep down I was thinking to myself, ‘One day hopefully I’ll be able to play in that team’.”

It would have been nicer if, deep down, Lallana was concentrating 100 per cent on playing for Saints rather than thinking about his future.

Those quotes were meant to curry favour with his new fans, but have certainly alienated some of his former supporters.

Whack! Record signing Dani Osvaldo fails to return to Saints for pre season training. His excuse? He’s sick. Given his past record, fans have a right to be concerned.

Even if he wasn’t feeling well, he could have turned up at Staplewood and introduced himself to Koeman. That would have shown some nice respect.

Whack! Today’s bombshell news for the St Mary’s faithful is that centre half Dejan Lovren has told Saints he is not coming back to the club as he, too, wants to join the post-Mauricio Pochettino era exodus.

Talk about a total lack of respect for the club that pays your wages.

Saints showed their loyalty to those players by offering them long-term contracts no doubt worth millions.

In return, what have they got back?

Shaw and Lallana didn’t even have the decency to meet personally with new boss Ronald Koeman to see what he had to say.

Lovren doesn’t seem to fancy shaking hands with his new manager either.

Their haste to depart, following their own World Cup exits, leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.

And football fans are like elephants – they have a long memory.

We know there is very little loyalty in the sport any more.

We have got used to players kissing the badge one minute and leaving the next.

That is what annoys the fans, the ones who know what real loyalty means.

But there are ways and means to leave a football club.

Lambert went about it in the right way, though he was helped by the fact everyone knows he grew up as a Liverpool fan. His age also helped, in so far as his best days are probably behind him.

The same does not apply to Lallana or Shaw.

They could have easily met Koeman, listened to what he had to say.

If they still wanted to leave after that, so be it.

But at least they had listened.

At least they would have appeared to care, even if only a little.

To have listened would have shown some respect.

It didn’t happen, though.

That is what leaves the sour taste.

The lack of respect to a football club that had showed so much to players who then showed so little back.

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8:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

Little Hitler says...

Shame on you Lallana, I bet you were glad England got knocked out early so it sped up your transfer.

Can the other mercenaries kindly bugg@r off so we can begin to clean up the mess you've left behind.

I fear this season will be a massive struggle, £100mill or not.
Shame on you Lallana, I bet you were glad England got knocked out early so it sped up your transfer. Can the other mercenaries kindly bugg@r off so we can begin to clean up the mess you've left behind. I fear this season will be a massive struggle, £100mill or not. Little Hitler
  • Score: 91

8:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 68

8:08am Thu 3 Jul 14

lowemustgo says...

Football is a mercenary business. Just make sure we get a decent price for the wantaways.
Football is a mercenary business. Just make sure we get a decent price for the wantaways. lowemustgo
  • Score: 48

8:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

Little Hitler says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Do you honestly think they'd agree? We can't see them for dust now dude.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think they'd agree? We can't see them for dust now dude. Little Hitler
  • Score: 34

8:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though.
I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though. I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended. jls217
  • Score: 20

8:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

szent8 says...

Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit.
Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit. szent8
  • Score: 73

8:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though.
I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though. I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended. jls217
  • Score: 1

8:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.
Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon. CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: 84

8:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Do you honestly think they'd agree? We can't see them for dust now dude.
If they where paid ... yes... its also PR and raising their profile. Its what Journalism used to consist of.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think they'd agree? We can't see them for dust now dude.[/p][/quote]If they where paid ... yes... its also PR and raising their profile. Its what Journalism used to consist of. Jesus_02
  • Score: 8

8:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Simon Carter you have summed it up quite well for me, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football, some of these players earn more in a week than a rugby player earns in a year and they are still not happy, greedy selfish Tw@ts.
Simon Carter you have summed it up quite well for me, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football, some of these players earn more in a week than a rugby player earns in a year and they are still not happy, greedy selfish Tw@ts. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 59

8:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint usa says...

Ok hands up who wants to go .s#it only 4 want stay, well done mp your work is now complete.
Ok hands up who wants to go .s#it only 4 want stay, well done mp your work is now complete. saint usa
  • Score: 27

8:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

milton road says...

Interesting article Daily Express where Koeman has basically said Lovren is not for sale and will stay at Saints. Even if he has not returned right away it may not mean he is not coming back, would think players on world duty have a little grace on returning to training.
Who knows what to believe these days about anything.
Interesting article Daily Express where Koeman has basically said Lovren is not for sale and will stay at Saints. Even if he has not returned right away it may not mean he is not coming back, would think players on world duty have a little grace on returning to training. Who knows what to believe these days about anything. milton road
  • Score: 26

8:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

st marys needs disinfection from the cortese regime ,these greedy players going on strike just reflect that ,sell them,clear the debt and move on.
st marys needs disinfection from the cortese regime ,these greedy players going on strike just reflect that ,sell them,clear the debt and move on. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 37

8:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:
Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.
My sentiments exactly..good post from Simon.
[quote][p][bold]CHARLIE TAYLOR[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly..good post from Simon. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 22

8:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

richard903 says...

WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's
WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's richard903
  • Score: 30

8:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

mc_kni says...

Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will.
Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr?????
Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave!
Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league!
Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will. Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr????? Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave! Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league! mc_kni
  • Score: -11

8:39am Thu 3 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

DE - how about you stop posting articles designed to provoke emotional responses from the fans?

players come and go all the time. Frustrating as it is to lose the great team we had last season, all this crying over spilled milk is not doing anyone any good.

focus on the future - new manager, new signings, billionaire owner clearly committed to the club - because if she wasn't she wouldn't be allowing them to spend to replace players.

BE POSITIVE ABOUT SAINTS
DE - how about you stop posting articles designed to provoke emotional responses from the fans? players come and go all the time. Frustrating as it is to lose the great team we had last season, all this crying over spilled milk is not doing anyone any good. focus on the future - new manager, new signings, billionaire owner clearly committed to the club - because if she wasn't she wouldn't be allowing them to spend to replace players. BE POSITIVE ABOUT SAINTS Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 18

8:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
st marys needs disinfection from the cortese regime ,these greedy players going on strike just reflect that ,sell them,clear the debt and move on.
They were all quite happy until Cortese left!
That's when the trouble started!
Keep up!
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: st marys needs disinfection from the cortese regime ,these greedy players going on strike just reflect that ,sell them,clear the debt and move on.[/p][/quote]They were all quite happy until Cortese left! That's when the trouble started! Keep up! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -9

8:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

also what's with the writing style of the article?
also what's with the writing style of the article? Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: -22

8:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Winch70 says...

These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best. St.Winch70
  • Score: 48

8:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

++++++++++FIGHT AND WIN +++++++++

LONG LIVE KING RON KOEMAN

Saints have done very well in recruiting a TOP EUROPEAN MANAGER - better then Potty Chino (JUDAS)

NOW FOR THE PLAYERS LET'S GET THEM IN NOW !!!

1) STRIKER
2) COVER FOR TOP STRIKER (may be ex Championship)
3) MIDFIELD GOAL SCORER
4) CB
5) LEFT BACK
6) ADDITIONAL NUMBER 1 GOALKEEPER
7) PACY WINGER

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR

P.S F*CK THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!!
++++++++++FIGHT AND WIN +++++++++ LONG LIVE KING RON KOEMAN Saints have done very well in recruiting a TOP EUROPEAN MANAGER - better then Potty Chino (JUDAS) NOW FOR THE PLAYERS LET'S GET THEM IN NOW !!! 1) STRIKER 2) COVER FOR TOP STRIKER (may be ex Championship) 3) MIDFIELD GOAL SCORER 4) CB 5) LEFT BACK 6) ADDITIONAL NUMBER 1 GOALKEEPER 7) PACY WINGER WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR P.S F*CK THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 30

8:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

There is something quite unusual going on at Saints. Say what you will, it just isnt normal for players to want out en masse, as it were, we do not know the full story. There have been rumors, though of agreements made by Cortese not being kept, bonuses not being paid, that Liebherr alienated the players by refusing to endorse Cortese s vision for the club . We have, lets face it no confirmation whatever that the club have provided any sort of decent transfer budget that is not dependent on sales. We do however, have a clue in what was said by Krueger when he was first appointed, in that the club had to live within its means. In other words Liebherr was not going to pump any more cash into the club. Such a position, is not realistic, if you have aspirations of reaching the Champions League, you have to retain your best players and add to them. That was Cortese s view, and it was shared by the players. Liebherr, having refused to abide by that vision caused Cortese to leave followed by Pochettino, who only stayed out of respect for the players, not the club. I am quite prepared to believe that the reason Saints capitulated to Sunderland in the FA Cup by choosing an under-strength side, was because Pochettino did not want the club to gain any glory while he was the coach. Such bitterness. What is happening now is an absolute tragedy for Saints, and we ought to get an explanation from Liebherr herself not her paid minions. It has come to the point where her commitment has to be questioned, and if it is not there, then she should do the honorable thing and put the club up for sale. Indeed she should have done that long since before this dreadful scenario began to develop.
Someone also may have told Liverpool and Manchester United that Saints were there for the taking, such is the amount of bitterness surrounding the various departures.
Liebherr inherited the club, but from the beginning there were doubts as to her commitment to the club, and nothing that has transpired since has led me to believe that she has any more than a purely financial interest in the club.
Katarina Liebherr has become a liability to Southampton Football Club, and if anybody should leave , it is very simply her.
There is something quite unusual going on at Saints. Say what you will, it just isnt normal for players to want out en masse, as it were, we do not know the full story. There have been rumors, though of agreements made by Cortese not being kept, bonuses not being paid, that Liebherr alienated the players by refusing to endorse Cortese s vision for the club . We have, lets face it no confirmation whatever that the club have provided any sort of decent transfer budget that is not dependent on sales. We do however, have a clue in what was said by Krueger when he was first appointed, in that the club had to live within its means. In other words Liebherr was not going to pump any more cash into the club. Such a position, is not realistic, if you have aspirations of reaching the Champions League, you have to retain your best players and add to them. That was Cortese s view, and it was shared by the players. Liebherr, having refused to abide by that vision caused Cortese to leave followed by Pochettino, who only stayed out of respect for the players, not the club. I am quite prepared to believe that the reason Saints capitulated to Sunderland in the FA Cup by choosing an under-strength side, was because Pochettino did not want the club to gain any glory while he was the coach. Such bitterness. What is happening now is an absolute tragedy for Saints, and we ought to get an explanation from Liebherr herself not her paid minions. It has come to the point where her commitment has to be questioned, and if it is not there, then she should do the honorable thing and put the club up for sale. Indeed she should have done that long since before this dreadful scenario began to develop. Someone also may have told Liverpool and Manchester United that Saints were there for the taking, such is the amount of bitterness surrounding the various departures. Liebherr inherited the club, but from the beginning there were doubts as to her commitment to the club, and nothing that has transpired since has led me to believe that she has any more than a purely financial interest in the club. Katarina Liebherr has become a liability to Southampton Football Club, and if anybody should leave , it is very simply her. montecristosaint
  • Score: -79

8:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

What happened to 'we want to keep our best players' and 'no not for sale'
statements made by the board at the end of last season.
Players will always throw tantrums but that does not mean the board just gives in. They need to have some b@lls.
The board has been made to look weak. How can u be an administrator without being tough?
Sorry but the Don showed how to be tough. It was tough love and it worked.
What happened to 'we want to keep our best players' and 'no not for sale' statements made by the board at the end of last season. Players will always throw tantrums but that does not mean the board just gives in. They need to have some b@lls. The board has been made to look weak. How can u be an administrator without being tough? Sorry but the Don showed how to be tough. It was tough love and it worked. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 23

8:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

If he doesn't come back in order to force a move he will obviously be in breach of contract, so we won't have to pay him. The club should make another announcement that no more players will be leaving with the exception of dopey Dani and maybe Hoover. The recent statement that they don't want to sell any more players isn't strong enough. Let' see how long he likes it getting paid nowt.
If he doesn't come back in order to force a move he will obviously be in breach of contract, so we won't have to pay him. The club should make another announcement that no more players will be leaving with the exception of dopey Dani and maybe Hoover. The recent statement that they don't want to sell any more players isn't strong enough. Let' see how long he likes it getting paid nowt. Clever Dick
  • Score: 13

8:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 53

8:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
Sad,but true.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.[/p][/quote]Sad,but true. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 7

8:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
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  • Score: 14

8:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

couzzy33 says...

Lets be honest here, the only constant at his football club aren't going to be players (as long as agents exist) its us , the fans.

I'm fortunate to have remembered being a kid and the likes of Benali and Le God but in a sick way their loyalty only enhanced my belief that players actually cared about our club, never saw it as a stepping stone or a place to finish their careers. Sadly that loyalty is non existent and the sooner we, as fans face up to it then the easier these stories are going to be easier to bear.

Now the onus is on the current players to prove to fans that they are the exception rather than the rule. Personally I don't think we have player like that anymore.
Lets be honest here, the only constant at his football club aren't going to be players (as long as agents exist) its us , the fans. I'm fortunate to have remembered being a kid and the likes of Benali and Le God but in a sick way their loyalty only enhanced my belief that players actually cared about our club, never saw it as a stepping stone or a place to finish their careers. Sadly that loyalty is non existent and the sooner we, as fans face up to it then the easier these stories are going to be easier to bear. Now the onus is on the current players to prove to fans that they are the exception rather than the rule. Personally I don't think we have player like that anymore. couzzy33
  • Score: 12

8:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

andy newbury says...

make a stand and make the players concerned train away from the rest of the team so as not to distract them,and sell them at a later date when it suites the saints, basically hold them to their contracts with no bonus,s this is as long as the management are prepared to do so. If we do not make a stand it will keep on happening. We had it years ago with kenwyn jones who held us to ransom in as much as he stated he would not play for us again and we had to let him go because we needed the money.to me contracts are hardly worth the paper they are written on now a days. In any event the player concerned should at least go through the protocol of meeting and talking to our manager face to face and explain his reason for going.
make a stand and make the players concerned train away from the rest of the team so as not to distract them,and sell them at a later date when it suites the saints, basically hold them to their contracts with no bonus,s this is as long as the management are prepared to do so. If we do not make a stand it will keep on happening. We had it years ago with kenwyn jones who held us to ransom in as much as he stated he would not play for us again and we had to let him go because we needed the money.to me contracts are hardly worth the paper they are written on now a days. In any event the player concerned should at least go through the protocol of meeting and talking to our manager face to face and explain his reason for going. andy newbury
  • Score: 16

8:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

Norwegian Saint says...

After an 8th place finish last season and a young squad full of potential and ability I was really looking forward to a season that continued to grow.... then...
MoPo said he did not want Saints to play in Europe... and left for the Spuds... in Europe. I am disappointed in Luke but I understand (a little) why he left. I am angry at Adam for the way he made his move but he did give us good service for years. Lovren apparently saying he wont return is not good, I rate this guy very highly but if he wants to go what do we do? Spider wanting CL footy... why not with us? Dani should just leave, he is a bad apple. Out of all those that caused upset I only have respect for Rickie.

So, what is next... a BLOOMING great season I hope! Excited about what players will come in to join our line up. We still have JWP, Cork, Davis, Wanyama... that is a top midfield. Defence with Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Jos, Maya and Taggert can still do a good job. Artur will be fighting as our number one with a new arrival (Would like Marshall or that Mexican keeper). Up front, being honest, I think J-Rod might now leave so it leaves us very short. I think Pelle and Ings would be good but why not give a home to a couple of proven Premiership players? Lukaku and Hernandez? Maybe £20M? We need to build again... and move to a higher level... why not CL? Who would have thought we would be spending millions just 5 years ago?

So the future is still moving into the unknown and there will be some great wins (hopefully against Liverhampton and the Spuds) and we will continue to give teams "One hell of a beating"
After an 8th place finish last season and a young squad full of potential and ability I was really looking forward to a season that continued to grow.... then... MoPo said he did not want Saints to play in Europe... and left for the Spuds... in Europe. I am disappointed in Luke but I understand (a little) why he left. I am angry at Adam for the way he made his move but he did give us good service for years. Lovren apparently saying he wont return is not good, I rate this guy very highly but if he wants to go what do we do? Spider wanting CL footy... why not with us? Dani should just leave, he is a bad apple. Out of all those that caused upset I only have respect for Rickie. So, what is next... a BLOOMING great season I hope! Excited about what players will come in to join our line up. We still have JWP, Cork, Davis, Wanyama... that is a top midfield. Defence with Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Jos, Maya and Taggert can still do a good job. Artur will be fighting as our number one with a new arrival (Would like Marshall or that Mexican keeper). Up front, being honest, I think J-Rod might now leave so it leaves us very short. I think Pelle and Ings would be good but why not give a home to a couple of proven Premiership players? Lukaku and Hernandez? Maybe £20M? We need to build again... and move to a higher level... why not CL? Who would have thought we would be spending millions just 5 years ago? So the future is still moving into the unknown and there will be some great wins (hopefully against Liverhampton and the Spuds) and we will continue to give teams "One hell of a beating" Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 24

8:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

truelysaints says...

szent8 wrote:
Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit.
Pochettino, was not the good manager everyone thinks he was. He was a man only driven by his own ambitions and not that of the club. In the process he poisoned the minds of some of the selfish Prima Donnas. Frankly we are best rid o them.Makes one wonder what we could have done if their heats were in the club. I feel like the man who saw his mother-in-law drive his porche over the cliff.
[quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit.[/p][/quote]Pochettino, was not the good manager everyone thinks he was. He was a man only driven by his own ambitions and not that of the club. In the process he poisoned the minds of some of the selfish Prima Donnas. Frankly we are best rid o them.Makes one wonder what we could have done if their heats were in the club. I feel like the man who saw his mother-in-law drive his porche over the cliff. truelysaints
  • Score: 14

9:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

Puddletown Saint says...

A few have posted here before, myself being on one them, that the FA must get some balls and tell players that a contract is a contract. The only exit is in their last 24 months. This way the likes of LaLa and Dipsy (Shaw) would have known they were here until 01 July 2016. Conversation finished. In truth it should be the same for managers!!!!
Alas, the game is run by players and agents and money talks. The ironic thing is that LaLa has gone to a club that is about to implode as Gnasher is off and Dipsy has no European football.
Any way I support the club and whoever wears the shirt. Saints for life not just when we have star players.
A few have posted here before, myself being on one them, that the FA must get some balls and tell players that a contract is a contract. The only exit is in their last 24 months. This way the likes of LaLa and Dipsy (Shaw) would have known they were here until 01 July 2016. Conversation finished. In truth it should be the same for managers!!!! Alas, the game is run by players and agents and money talks. The ironic thing is that LaLa has gone to a club that is about to implode as Gnasher is off and Dipsy has no European football. Any way I support the club and whoever wears the shirt. Saints for life not just when we have star players. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 18

9:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

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SAINTS FANS UNITE - WE STAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT AND WIN.
LONG LIVE KING RON KOEMAN.
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  • Score: 8

9:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Good article for once, Echo.
What a shame those players departing and those wanting to go (RL excepted) couldn't find the time to listen to the new manager and at least find out what the new plan is.

Moving on, someone at the club is obviously clueless, and it isn't Koeman. He says Shaw is worth £40m, a few days later he goes for less than that. What is Koeman to think of that? He may already be completely p!ssed off with SFC.

A £3m offer for Pelle?
For crying out loud.

We are going to struggle this season and it won't be Ronald Koeman's fault.
Good article for once, Echo. What a shame those players departing and those wanting to go (RL excepted) couldn't find the time to listen to the new manager and at least find out what the new plan is. Moving on, someone at the club is obviously clueless, and it isn't Koeman. He says Shaw is worth £40m, a few days later he goes for less than that. What is Koeman to think of that? He may already be completely p!ssed off with SFC. A £3m offer for Pelle? For crying out loud. We are going to struggle this season and it won't be Ronald Koeman's fault. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 5

9:04am Thu 3 Jul 14

SwissToni says...

If we're honest with ourselves, these players and manager were only good enough to get saints to 8th in the table. Time to get some quality in!
If we're honest with ourselves, these players and manager were only good enough to get saints to 8th in the table. Time to get some quality in! SwissToni
  • Score: 21

9:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
If the Echo did manage to extract an interview from the players concerned do you honestly think it would be the truth or made up by the players PR department ,I think it would be the latter.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]If the Echo did manage to extract an interview from the players concerned do you honestly think it would be the truth or made up by the players PR department ,I think it would be the latter. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 9

9:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

gadge60 says...

So much negativity! We should just wait and see what transpires. We have a top class new manager, a £100 Million war chest and our first match is 6 weeks away.
I think we should give the Board, Manager and remaining players a chance before we get out the rope.
Finally, all football players at this level have a deep vein of mercenary blood running through them. What did we expect, that AL, RL and LS woul turn down a doubling of wages?
The best bit is that we have made MU and Liv pay through the nose.
So much negativity! We should just wait and see what transpires. We have a top class new manager, a £100 Million war chest and our first match is 6 weeks away. I think we should give the Board, Manager and remaining players a chance before we get out the rope. Finally, all football players at this level have a deep vein of mercenary blood running through them. What did we expect, that AL, RL and LS woul turn down a doubling of wages? The best bit is that we have made MU and Liv pay through the nose. gadge60
  • Score: 22

9:08am Thu 3 Jul 14

Jon in Italy says...

I would like to know where the professional footbalers association stand on players going on strike to force moves. They act very quickly when they think a club has wronged a player, but here you have our club, southampton giving long contracts on good even if not stratospheric wages and then finding that these player then want to hold them to ransom and not respect the contracts they signed only a year or so ago. It would be interesting to hear their views on their members behaviour. I am sure if lovren or lallana had got a carreer ending injury during the world cup, whilst trying to orchestrate their transfers and saints then said they were revoking their contracts even though such transfers would never then happen, I am sure the PFA would be up in arms
I would like to know where the professional footbalers association stand on players going on strike to force moves. They act very quickly when they think a club has wronged a player, but here you have our club, southampton giving long contracts on good even if not stratospheric wages and then finding that these player then want to hold them to ransom and not respect the contracts they signed only a year or so ago. It would be interesting to hear their views on their members behaviour. I am sure if lovren or lallana had got a carreer ending injury during the world cup, whilst trying to orchestrate their transfers and saints then said they were revoking their contracts even though such transfers would never then happen, I am sure the PFA would be up in arms Jon in Italy
  • Score: 33

9:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint Compo says...

Very well said. I agree with every word.

COYR
Very well said. I agree with every word. COYR saint Compo
  • Score: 5

9:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

SonofRaythepoet says...

It's all a crying shame and we all feel massively deflated. But football (particularly for Saints) is about high's and lows. We just came off a massive high and all feel we will not push on to go higher still to the dream that NC gave us a glimpse of.

But lets think that if in 2009, someone had given us a time machine and transported us to today and said this is where you are, we would be over the moon.

COYR's!
It's all a crying shame and we all feel massively deflated. But football (particularly for Saints) is about high's and lows. We just came off a massive high and all feel we will not push on to go higher still to the dream that NC gave us a glimpse of. But lets think that if in 2009, someone had given us a time machine and transported us to today and said this is where you are, we would be over the moon. COYR's! SonofRaythepoet
  • Score: 8

9:22am Thu 3 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

O for the days of Keegan,Channon and Ball with Lawrie Mac running the show and a board of directors who stayed in the background
For those of you who were too young to go back then ,the quality of football was far better and that side would have wiped the floor with the bunch of PREMADONAS who wore the shirt last season
O for the days of Keegan,Channon and Ball with Lawrie Mac running the show and a board of directors who stayed in the background For those of you who were too young to go back then ,the quality of football was far better and that side would have wiped the floor with the bunch of PREMADONAS who wore the shirt last season bullsbags
  • Score: 17

9:34am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintChris46 says...

Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR! SaintChris46
  • Score: 19

9:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
Exactly my feelings. No point in upsetting yourself about things you can't influence. Tomorrow is another day, let's embrace it.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.[/p][/quote]Exactly my feelings. No point in upsetting yourself about things you can't influence. Tomorrow is another day, let's embrace it. george chivers
  • Score: 5

9:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Tyke15 says...

Aren't we all being a little hypocritical? Both Lallan and Shaw will have received massive wage increases and lets face it have gone to bigger clubs than the Saints. I have a season ticket at Saints and although my heart agrees with the comments posted my head says "If I was offered double my salary would I go to another company" Most people would be off like a shot, some wouldn't but they would be in the minority, why do we view footballer any different?
We need to move on and get behind the team this season. We still have a lot of very good players. As for Lallana's advert how crass can you get. He needs to get a better PR advisor. Take a lesson from Oxlade-Chamberlain who after the Arsenal games comes on to the pitch to applaud the Saints fans and gets a great reception. he didn't do any crowing about moving to Arsenal - real class
Aren't we all being a little hypocritical? Both Lallan and Shaw will have received massive wage increases and lets face it have gone to bigger clubs than the Saints. I have a season ticket at Saints and although my heart agrees with the comments posted my head says "If I was offered double my salary would I go to another company" Most people would be off like a shot, some wouldn't but they would be in the minority, why do we view footballer any different? We need to move on and get behind the team this season. We still have a lot of very good players. As for Lallana's advert how crass can you get. He needs to get a better PR advisor. Take a lesson from Oxlade-Chamberlain who after the Arsenal games comes on to the pitch to applaud the Saints fans and gets a great reception. he didn't do any crowing about moving to Arsenal - real class Tyke15
  • Score: 9

9:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintChris46 wrote:
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?
[quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR![/p][/quote]We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

9:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

bullsbags wrote:
O for the days of Keegan,Channon and Ball with Lawrie Mac running the show and a board of directors who stayed in the background
For those of you who were too young to go back then ,the quality of football was far better and that side would have wiped the floor with the bunch of PREMADONAS who wore the shirt last season
Brasil were a lot better back then too! :0)
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: O for the days of Keegan,Channon and Ball with Lawrie Mac running the show and a board of directors who stayed in the background For those of you who were too young to go back then ,the quality of football was far better and that side would have wiped the floor with the bunch of PREMADONAS who wore the shirt last season[/p][/quote]Brasil were a lot better back then too! :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

9:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though.
I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.
It's called £100 k a week !

It's not a toughie to work out !!

The Naivety on all of these threads as far as loyalty is concerned is almost sad , lets hope the players we want to join us show the same level of loyalty to their present clubs and insist on a move to SFC ....................
............
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though. I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.[/p][/quote]It's called £100 k a week ! It's not a toughie to work out !! The Naivety on all of these threads as far as loyalty is concerned is almost sad , lets hope the players we want to join us show the same level of loyalty to their present clubs and insist on a move to SFC .................... ............ Buddy SFC
  • Score: 4

9:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
Absolutely ... I am exactly the same, it's the team and not individuals that get my support.
I cannot get my head around player worship, grown men in football shirts with their favourite players name on the back.
And when that players leaves the disappointment seems to be immense.
My view is that... he's been offered £100k/week and we can't pay that sort of wage so he is going to leave hey ho!!!!
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.[/p][/quote]Absolutely ... I am exactly the same, it's the team and not individuals that get my support. I cannot get my head around player worship, grown men in football shirts with their favourite players name on the back. And when that players leaves the disappointment seems to be immense. My view is that... he's been offered £100k/week and we can't pay that sort of wage so he is going to leave hey ho!!!! costa gaz
  • Score: 6

10:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though.
I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.
It's called £100 k a week !

It's not a toughie to work out !!

The Naivety on all of these threads as far as loyalty is concerned is almost sad , lets hope the players we want to join us show the same level of loyalty to their present clubs and insist on a move to SFC ....................

............
Indeed buddy.... that's the way football works.
Clubs like us lose our players to clubs like Liverpool and clubs like Liverpool lose their players to clubs like Barcelona... it's ALL about the money and the football food chain.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Someone on here - not sure who it was know did a brilliant assumption based on what we do know and how the story unfolded but it would be great to put these players under the spotlight - doubt we'd get the real story though. I had a little instrument in my shed which would make them squeak very quickly, if I could only get a judge to give me legal rights to use it in the manner not intended.[/p][/quote]It's called £100 k a week ! It's not a toughie to work out !! The Naivety on all of these threads as far as loyalty is concerned is almost sad , lets hope the players we want to join us show the same level of loyalty to their present clubs and insist on a move to SFC .................... ............[/p][/quote]Indeed buddy.... that's the way football works. Clubs like us lose our players to clubs like Liverpool and clubs like Liverpool lose their players to clubs like Barcelona... it's ALL about the money and the football food chain. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Please let's give this whole issue a rest - although to be fair, until we get some positive transfer news and/or some statements from Ron or Les there's actually very little else to occupy us.

Sooner we start rebuilding the better, although with other teams now on pre-season trips, bedding in new players and finalising strategies we do appear to be lagging a long way behind and simply reacting to events. Unfortunate.
Please let's give this whole issue a rest - although to be fair, until we get some positive transfer news and/or some statements from Ron or Les there's actually very little else to occupy us. Sooner we start rebuilding the better, although with other teams now on pre-season trips, bedding in new players and finalising strategies we do appear to be lagging a long way behind and simply reacting to events. Unfortunate. saint christopher
  • Score: 2

10:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

sirleeolgit says...

Hey, lets get real, Ricky Lambert came here from Bristol Rovers League1 now Conference Premier for a million, I dont recall one Saints fan expressing concerns at that. Rovers may well have been a Championship side by now had he stayed. What is the difference, Money talks. We stole Lovren from Lyon who stole him from Dinamo Zagreb. These guys are paid players, like me, if offered twice the money to work for someone else I would be off like a shot. Enjoy them whilst they are here no player is here for ever. I remember the chaos when Keegan had a strop and went to Newcastle it was the end of the world. We finished Runners Up to Liverpool next season! Of course that was before over 100 years of football history was airbrushed out by the premier league.
Hey, lets get real, Ricky Lambert came here from Bristol Rovers League1 now Conference Premier for a million, I dont recall one Saints fan expressing concerns at that. Rovers may well have been a Championship side by now had he stayed. What is the difference, Money talks. We stole Lovren from Lyon who stole him from Dinamo Zagreb. These guys are paid players, like me, if offered twice the money to work for someone else I would be off like a shot. Enjoy them whilst they are here no player is here for ever. I remember the chaos when Keegan had a strop and went to Newcastle it was the end of the world. We finished Runners Up to Liverpool next season! Of course that was before over 100 years of football history was airbrushed out by the premier league. sirleeolgit
  • Score: 7

10:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Is it any more complicated than the worst in human nature - egotism, **** for fame, more money. These players believe they will get more of everything by moving another club instead of working at it to achieve with SFC. I don't think there is any more to it than that - Saints are (were?) a developing success story; clubs like Liverpool are already successful and that's an easier option. It stinks but that's how it goes.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Is it any more complicated than the worst in human nature - egotism, **** for fame, more money. These players believe they will get more of everything by moving another club instead of working at it to achieve with SFC. I don't think there is any more to it than that - Saints are (were?) a developing success story; clubs like Liverpool are already successful and that's an easier option. It stinks but that's how it goes. right back in the bar
  • Score: 2

10:22am Thu 3 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
Is it any more complicated than the worst in human nature - egotism, **** for fame, more money. These players believe they will get more of everything by moving another club instead of working at it to achieve with SFC. I don't think there is any more to it than that - Saints are (were?) a developing success story; clubs like Liverpool are already successful and that's an easier option. It stinks but that's how it goes.
ha ha I said 'l-u-s-t' for fame and thats a dirty word!!!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]Is it any more complicated than the worst in human nature - egotism, **** for fame, more money. These players believe they will get more of everything by moving another club instead of working at it to achieve with SFC. I don't think there is any more to it than that - Saints are (were?) a developing success story; clubs like Liverpool are already successful and that's an easier option. It stinks but that's how it goes.[/p][/quote]ha ha I said 'l-u-s-t' for fame and thats a dirty word!!! right back in the bar
  • Score: 3

10:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

This "article" reads like one of the crankier posts on these threads.

Did the Editor approve this? Or is the Editor on holiday ?

Oh!! I just checked YOU are the Editor... the lunatic has taken over the asylum !!

Back to the Svhool Magazines for you my boy if you do this again. Six of the best on a bare backside for you !! WHACK !! WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !!
This "article" reads like one of the crankier posts on these threads. Did the Editor approve this? Or is the Editor on holiday ? Oh!! I just checked YOU are the Editor... the lunatic has taken over the asylum !! Back to the Svhool Magazines for you my boy if you do this again. Six of the best on a bare backside for you !! WHACK !! WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !!WHACK !! Alicesdad
  • Score: -9

10:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
Are you the same person who was threatening to punch someone's lights out a few short days ago.

If you are, I'm about to patronize you, I am amazed that behind the strutting peacock chav reaction behaviour you demonstrated there is clearly a calm and logical brain struggling with its inner self. Lucid too.

If it wasn't you then I apologize and hope the miscreant reads this and recognizes the difference between the two ends of the spectrum and models himself on the above posting and not what went before. Good post mate. Which am I going to get Jekyll or Hyde?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.[/p][/quote]Are you the same person who was threatening to punch someone's lights out a few short days ago. If you are, I'm about to patronize you, I am amazed that behind the strutting peacock chav reaction behaviour you demonstrated there is clearly a calm and logical brain struggling with its inner self. Lucid too. If it wasn't you then I apologize and hope the miscreant reads this and recognizes the difference between the two ends of the spectrum and models himself on the above posting and not what went before. Good post mate. Which am I going to get Jekyll or Hyde? jls217
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Absolutley
Absolutley Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

10:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Shame on you Lallana, I bet you were glad England got knocked out early so it sped up your transfer.

Can the other mercenaries kindly bugg@r off so we can begin to clean up the mess you've left behind.

I fear this season will be a massive struggle, £100mill or not.
GOOD STATEMENT FROM ECHO !contracts and players need sorting out this mass exodus can never be allowed to happen to sfc again , i hope provisions and steps are already taking place to stop a repeat , .A MASSIVE SIGNING HAS TO BE MADE AS A STATEMENT OF SAINTS INTENT OTHERWISE THIS EXODUS WILL CONTINUE , WAKE UP SFC ! we,re bound to end up with a few mercenaries but i for one dont care as long as they give 100 percent to SFC ! AND THEY ARE PROVEN QUALITY !
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Shame on you Lallana, I bet you were glad England got knocked out early so it sped up your transfer. Can the other mercenaries kindly bugg@r off so we can begin to clean up the mess you've left behind. I fear this season will be a massive struggle, £100mill or not.[/p][/quote]GOOD STATEMENT FROM ECHO !contracts and players need sorting out this mass exodus can never be allowed to happen to sfc again , i hope provisions and steps are already taking place to stop a repeat , .A MASSIVE SIGNING HAS TO BE MADE AS A STATEMENT OF SAINTS INTENT OTHERWISE THIS EXODUS WILL CONTINUE , WAKE UP SFC ! we,re bound to end up with a few mercenaries but i for one dont care as long as they give 100 percent to SFC ! AND THEY ARE PROVEN QUALITY ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 50

10:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

sirleeolgit says...

On the same theme as my last post, I dont suppose anyone remembers the uproar when Charlie Wayman ( 73 Goals in 100 appearances ) upped and left for Preston, I bet the Geordies had a chuckle! (32 Goals in 47 Games for Newcastle ) before we made money talk bringing a top league player down a division.
On the same theme as my last post, I dont suppose anyone remembers the uproar when Charlie Wayman ( 73 Goals in 100 appearances ) upped and left for Preston, I bet the Geordies had a chuckle! (32 Goals in 47 Games for Newcastle ) before we made money talk bringing a top league player down a division. sirleeolgit
  • Score: 30

10:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
Sounds logical enough - never know for certain sure though will we? All I know is I feel I've been rimfisted and it was the players who have refused to remove their wristwatches before doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great.[/p][/quote]Sounds logical enough - never know for certain sure though will we? All I know is I feel I've been rimfisted and it was the players who have refused to remove their wristwatches before doing so. jls217
  • Score: 1

10:34am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Don't worry, just take out a one-page ad in the Daily Echo and it will all be OK, just look at Adam and Suarez - shows character apparently.
Don't worry, just take out a one-page ad in the Daily Echo and it will all be OK, just look at Adam and Suarez - shows character apparently. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

10:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
Don't worry, just take out a one-page ad in the Daily Echo and it will all be OK, just look at Adam and Suarez - shows character apparently.
Not that Suarez took out an ad in the Daily Echo, unless I missed something.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Don't worry, just take out a one-page ad in the Daily Echo and it will all be OK, just look at Adam and Suarez - shows character apparently.[/p][/quote]Not that Suarez took out an ad in the Daily Echo, unless I missed something. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

SaintChris46 wrote:
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
You make a good point sir.
[quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR![/p][/quote]You make a good point sir. jls217
  • Score: 1

10:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintChris46 wrote:
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?
My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR![/p][/quote]We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?[/p][/quote]My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it. jls217
  • Score: 0

10:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

Babylon51 says...

The trouble is, footballers are not known for their brains off the pitch (and some on the pitch) so who is pulling their strings? It must start with the mercenary agents , then the media want to get their 5 eggs in too. If it were not for those two factors maybe they would have a different point of view. But at the end of the day, a football club changes it's style and Southampton is no different, so it's time to show some backbone regarding transfers.
The trouble is, footballers are not known for their brains off the pitch (and some on the pitch) so who is pulling their strings? It must start with the mercenary agents , then the media want to get their 5 eggs in too. If it were not for those two factors maybe they would have a different point of view. But at the end of the day, a football club changes it's style and Southampton is no different, so it's time to show some backbone regarding transfers. Babylon51
  • Score: 2

10:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintChris46 wrote:
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?
My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it.
Jls, your brother is no genius, I predicted the very same months ago and I am as thick as too short planks.. I also predicted it would be around 6 first team departures.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR![/p][/quote]We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?[/p][/quote]My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it.[/p][/quote]Jls, your brother is no genius, I predicted the very same months ago and I am as thick as too short planks.. I also predicted it would be around 6 first team departures. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

10:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

spratt says...

szent8 wrote:
Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit.
THÍS IS PROBABLY, IF NOT UNDOUBTEDLY, THE MAJOR CAUSE OF ALL THAT IS GOING ON NOW AND BEHIND HIM ALSO LURKS THE MAN WHO BROUGHT HIM TO ST MARYS. UNDER EMPLOYMENT LAW NO ONE CAN BE FORCED TO HONOUR AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT IN THE SENSE OF STAYING IN THE JOB AGAINST THEIR WILL BUT SURELY ALLOWS DAMAGES WHEN A PLAYER JUST TEARS A CONTRACT UP WHICH IS WHAT THESE PLAYERS ARE DOING. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE CLUB WOULD HAVE ACTED BUT OUR CHAIRMAN IS VERY QUIET ON THE MATTER. DEPENDING ON HOW THE COOKIE CRUMBLES THIS DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR MAY CAUSE THE CLUB A GREAT DEAL OF DAMAGE.I FEEL THE FA SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING THE MATTER BUT DOUBT IF THEY WILL. HOWEVER LETS WAIT AND SEE IT COULD ALL TURN IN THE CLUBS FAVOUR.
[quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Hear, hear. I also think that Pochettino poisoned their minds against Saints for his own benefit.[/p][/quote]THÍS IS PROBABLY, IF NOT UNDOUBTEDLY, THE MAJOR CAUSE OF ALL THAT IS GOING ON NOW AND BEHIND HIM ALSO LURKS THE MAN WHO BROUGHT HIM TO ST MARYS. UNDER EMPLOYMENT LAW NO ONE CAN BE FORCED TO HONOUR AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT IN THE SENSE OF STAYING IN THE JOB AGAINST THEIR WILL BUT SURELY ALLOWS DAMAGES WHEN A PLAYER JUST TEARS A CONTRACT UP WHICH IS WHAT THESE PLAYERS ARE DOING. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE CLUB WOULD HAVE ACTED BUT OUR CHAIRMAN IS VERY QUIET ON THE MATTER. DEPENDING ON HOW THE COOKIE CRUMBLES THIS DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR MAY CAUSE THE CLUB A GREAT DEAL OF DAMAGE.I FEEL THE FA SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING THE MATTER BUT DOUBT IF THEY WILL. HOWEVER LETS WAIT AND SEE IT COULD ALL TURN IN THE CLUBS FAVOUR. spratt
  • Score: 6

11:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

DoronRon says...

Let's move on, and quickly. Players have to be brought in as a matter of urgency. I know it takes time to sort out contracts but come on Saints let's get deals done. I'm not looking back, what's done is done!
Let's move on, and quickly. Players have to be brought in as a matter of urgency. I know it takes time to sort out contracts but come on Saints let's get deals done. I'm not looking back, what's done is done! DoronRon
  • Score: 3

11:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

wellow saint says...

My friend was on speaking terms with Poch number 2
believe called Jesus! Anyway he new my friend through kids at same school. Two or three days before they left for Tottenham, he told my friend they were going because the club wanted to sell 5 players. Looks like the info was spot on and the other 2 were Loveran and Schniderlin
My friend was on speaking terms with Poch number 2 believe called Jesus! Anyway he new my friend through kids at same school. Two or three days before they left for Tottenham, he told my friend they were going because the club wanted to sell 5 players. Looks like the info was spot on and the other 2 were Loveran and Schniderlin wellow saint
  • Score: -2

11:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

wellow saint wrote:
My friend was on speaking terms with Poch number 2
believe called Jesus! Anyway he new my friend through kids at same school. Two or three days before they left for Tottenham, he told my friend they were going because the club wanted to sell 5 players. Looks like the info was spot on and the other 2 were Loveran and Schniderlin
Then why didn't the Argie come out and say that
[quote][p][bold]wellow saint[/bold] wrote: My friend was on speaking terms with Poch number 2 believe called Jesus! Anyway he new my friend through kids at same school. Two or three days before they left for Tottenham, he told my friend they were going because the club wanted to sell 5 players. Looks like the info was spot on and the other 2 were Loveran and Schniderlin[/p][/quote]Then why didn't the Argie come out and say that bullsbags
  • Score: 2

11:50am Thu 3 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Im abolutely discusted and for me the board is just as bad. The whole of the domestic football in this country is criminal. For the first time ever im actually thinking of leaving football behind. Gone are the days of players like Matty. I can honestly say I am starting to find it hard to say COYR from my heart.
Im abolutely discusted and for me the board is just as bad. The whole of the domestic football in this country is criminal. For the first time ever im actually thinking of leaving football behind. Gone are the days of players like Matty. I can honestly say I am starting to find it hard to say COYR from my heart. Bazultra
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Bazultra wrote:
Im abolutely discusted and for me the board is just as bad. The whole of the domestic football in this country is criminal. For the first time ever im actually thinking of leaving football behind. Gone are the days of players like Matty. I can honestly say I am starting to find it hard to say COYR from my heart.
WHY ??

There are plenty of loyal players at the club.... there is nothing wrong with player wanting to leave the club... But remember their bad manners on leaving is ale partly because they have been under the influence of snake-in-the-grass Poch and even worse NC who people seemed to have idolised for reasons that baffled me... Keep the faith.... Adam was a loyal servant, but footballers are thick mostly and he just did not have the where-with-all to handle things properly....

We have a quality managerial set-up now and Tintin will not sh1t on us like loch did ... he will do the honourable thing after 3 years... stay or go....

We have one year of building imo and then the season after , with a decent kit , we will reach for the Europa league....

optimistic maybe... but also realistic...
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Im abolutely discusted and for me the board is just as bad. The whole of the domestic football in this country is criminal. For the first time ever im actually thinking of leaving football behind. Gone are the days of players like Matty. I can honestly say I am starting to find it hard to say COYR from my heart.[/p][/quote]WHY ?? There are plenty of loyal players at the club.... there is nothing wrong with player wanting to leave the club... But remember their bad manners on leaving is ale partly because they have been under the influence of snake-in-the-grass Poch and even worse NC who people seemed to have idolised for reasons that baffled me... Keep the faith.... Adam was a loyal servant, but footballers are thick mostly and he just did not have the where-with-all to handle things properly.... We have a quality managerial set-up now and Tintin will not sh1t on us like loch did ... he will do the honourable thing after 3 years... stay or go.... We have one year of building imo and then the season after , with a decent kit , we will reach for the Europa league.... optimistic maybe... but also realistic... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

mack chinnon says...

mc_kni wrote:
Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will.
Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr?????
Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave!
Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league!
I'm surprised Pinocchio stayed as long as he did after the pasta eating surrender monkey ran away.
[quote][p][bold]mc_kni[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will. Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr????? Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave! Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league![/p][/quote]I'm surprised Pinocchio stayed as long as he did after the pasta eating surrender monkey ran away. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

I hope most of the Lalla haters are simply keyboard cowboys and he gets a good reception on return. He showed plenty of loyalty over the years, when was covetted by Spurs and others and we where in lower divisions. I for one will applaud Adam if not the others.

Excited by Koeman, but my choice would have been to get NA back. I reckon he would have welcomed it, didn't leave under a cloud and his only gripes would have been with NC. We progressed under Poch, but first season record was no better than for NA's games. All ifs, buts, maybes, but will never know what progress would have been made if NA stayed (had been steady up to then, no reason to think couldn't have continued). It seems like would have been our only chance of keeping this squad together.
I hope most of the Lalla haters are simply keyboard cowboys and he gets a good reception on return. He showed plenty of loyalty over the years, when was covetted by Spurs and others and we where in lower divisions. I for one will applaud Adam if not the others. Excited by Koeman, but my choice would have been to get NA back. I reckon he would have welcomed it, didn't leave under a cloud and his only gripes would have been with NC. We progressed under Poch, but first season record was no better than for NA's games. All ifs, buts, maybes, but will never know what progress would have been made if NA stayed (had been steady up to then, no reason to think couldn't have continued). It seems like would have been our only chance of keeping this squad together. Kamawoop
  • Score: -5

12:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

JC SFC says...

How many of us Saints fans thought we would be debating the possibility of Champions League football back when Marcus brought the club in 2009?

NC sold the dream of the possibility of Champions League football, and why not its always good to have something to aspire too, but hands up who thought it was a real possibility?

It was also very easy of NC to sell that dream when he was spending somebody else's money.!! If I started spending my firms money I would have to be accountable to my MD, so why did NC think he was above KL? After all it was her families money he was spending and I don't blame her for wanting more control.

Don't get me wrong I want the best for our fantastic club, but we have to be more realistic. Saints should be a premiership club, and a top 10 club at that, but realistically we were never going to break into the top 4. Everton and Spurs have been trying for years and although they both have managed it on the odd occasion they have never been consistent. The same applies to Liverpool.

So I'd be happy with a consistent top 10 finish and the odd good cup run!

If there are players who don't want to play for Saints then let them go as there are plenty of other players who do!!!

I'm excited for the new season, so COYR!
How many of us Saints fans thought we would be debating the possibility of Champions League football back when Marcus brought the club in 2009? NC sold the dream of the possibility of Champions League football, and why not its always good to have something to aspire too, but hands up who thought it was a real possibility? It was also very easy of NC to sell that dream when he was spending somebody else's money.!! If I started spending my firms money I would have to be accountable to my MD, so why did NC think he was above KL? After all it was her families money he was spending and I don't blame her for wanting more control. Don't get me wrong I want the best for our fantastic club, but we have to be more realistic. Saints should be a premiership club, and a top 10 club at that, but realistically we were never going to break into the top 4. Everton and Spurs have been trying for years and although they both have managed it on the odd occasion they have never been consistent. The same applies to Liverpool. So I'd be happy with a consistent top 10 finish and the odd good cup run! If there are players who don't want to play for Saints then let them go as there are plenty of other players who do!!! I'm excited for the new season, so COYR! JC SFC
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

Erm, these stirring stories are proving correct. I doubt any of the players where on the fence, took a look at the local paper and thought "right, that's decided then, an Echo reporter says I want to leave, so I will."

Depressing though it is, it is the job of the Southampton Echo's sports department to provide coverage of ongoing developments and even rumours. Good, or bad.
Erm, these stirring stories are proving correct. I doubt any of the players where on the fence, took a look at the local paper and thought "right, that's decided then, an Echo reporter says I want to leave, so I will." Depressing though it is, it is the job of the Southampton Echo's sports department to provide coverage of ongoing developments and even rumours. Good, or bad. Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

kayfay says...

I have no problem with players leaving the club. That's life. However the way the players conduct themselves matters. Lallana should have showed more respect to SFC and the fans. He did not and a page in the Echo will not resolve the upset that fans feel.

In respect of Lovren- if the DE are right and he is refusing to attend pre-season training to "force" a move then SFC should only sell him to a foreign club and not to any club in the PL. It is about time we made a point that we are NOT a feeder club for Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc...

I am fed up with the whole saga- its worse than Eastenders. Come on Saints and get in some players the fans can feel excited about!!
I have no problem with players leaving the club. That's life. However the way the players conduct themselves matters. Lallana should have showed more respect to SFC and the fans. He did not and a page in the Echo will not resolve the upset that fans feel. In respect of Lovren- if the DE are right and he is refusing to attend pre-season training to "force" a move then SFC should only sell him to a foreign club and not to any club in the PL. It is about time we made a point that we are NOT a feeder club for Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc... I am fed up with the whole saga- its worse than Eastenders. Come on Saints and get in some players the fans can feel excited about!! kayfay
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

richard903 wrote:
WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's
It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio!

Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season.

The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better.

Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy.

Up the Saints!!!
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's[/p][/quote]It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio! Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season. The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better. Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy. Up the Saints!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 9

1:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

guernseysaint says...

kayfay wrote:
I have no problem with players leaving the club. That's life. However the way the players conduct themselves matters. Lallana should have showed more respect to SFC and the fans. He did not and a page in the Echo will not resolve the upset that fans feel.

In respect of Lovren- if the DE are right and he is refusing to attend pre-season training to "force" a move then SFC should only sell him to a foreign club and not to any club in the PL. It is about time we made a point that we are NOT a feeder club for Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc...

I am fed up with the whole saga- its worse than Eastenders. Come on Saints and get in some players the fans can feel excited about!!
I agree - or charge him a weeks wages for every week he refuses to train or play for the Saints and sit him on the bench for the season.
[quote][p][bold]kayfay[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with players leaving the club. That's life. However the way the players conduct themselves matters. Lallana should have showed more respect to SFC and the fans. He did not and a page in the Echo will not resolve the upset that fans feel. In respect of Lovren- if the DE are right and he is refusing to attend pre-season training to "force" a move then SFC should only sell him to a foreign club and not to any club in the PL. It is about time we made a point that we are NOT a feeder club for Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc... I am fed up with the whole saga- its worse than Eastenders. Come on Saints and get in some players the fans can feel excited about!![/p][/quote]I agree - or charge him a weeks wages for every week he refuses to train or play for the Saints and sit him on the bench for the season. guernseysaint
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
This is written as if Cortese was at fault. Well, if it is wrong to have great aspirations for Southampton Football Club, then I am guilty as charged!

We could see Cortese was delivering. The real mistake was pulling the breaks when the train had gained momentum. To get momentum is costly, god dammit, but it is a price that needs to be paid because once past the hurdle, things move smoothly.

A monumental mistake has been made, deliberate or not. Like I said before, either our Board are intelligent business people with short term horizons, or fools without the smarts to see cause and effect in this industry.

Take a pick. Either way fans lose...
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great.[/p][/quote]This is written as if Cortese was at fault. Well, if it is wrong to have great aspirations for Southampton Football Club, then I am guilty as charged! We could see Cortese was delivering. The real mistake was pulling the breaks when the train had gained momentum. To get momentum is costly, god dammit, but it is a price that needs to be paid because once past the hurdle, things move smoothly. A monumental mistake has been made, deliberate or not. Like I said before, either our Board are intelligent business people with short term horizons, or fools without the smarts to see cause and effect in this industry. Take a pick. Either way fans lose... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -4

2:00pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
This is written as if Cortese was at fault. Well, if it is wrong to have great aspirations for Southampton Football Club, then I am guilty as charged!

We could see Cortese was delivering. The real mistake was pulling the breaks when the train had gained momentum. To get momentum is costly, god dammit, but it is a price that needs to be paid because once past the hurdle, things move smoothly.

A monumental mistake has been made, deliberate or not. Like I said before, either our Board are intelligent business people with short term horizons, or fools without the smarts to see cause and effect in this industry.

Take a pick. Either way fans lose...
Oh, and furthermore. For what it is worth, what the Board is trying to do is sell an illusion of movement. But it just doesn't add up. Clues to the contrary are clear as day. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great.[/p][/quote]This is written as if Cortese was at fault. Well, if it is wrong to have great aspirations for Southampton Football Club, then I am guilty as charged! We could see Cortese was delivering. The real mistake was pulling the breaks when the train had gained momentum. To get momentum is costly, god dammit, but it is a price that needs to be paid because once past the hurdle, things move smoothly. A monumental mistake has been made, deliberate or not. Like I said before, either our Board are intelligent business people with short term horizons, or fools without the smarts to see cause and effect in this industry. Take a pick. Either way fans lose...[/p][/quote]Oh, and furthermore. For what it is worth, what the Board is trying to do is sell an illusion of movement. But it just doesn't add up. Clues to the contrary are clear as day. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -2

2:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Ray says...

CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:
Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.
Written!!
[quote][p][bold]CHARLIE TAYLOR[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.[/p][/quote]Written!! St.Ray
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Kamawoop wrote:
I hope most of the Lalla haters are simply keyboard cowboys and he gets a good reception on return. He showed plenty of loyalty over the years, when was covetted by Spurs and others and we where in lower divisions. I for one will applaud Adam if not the others.

Excited by Koeman, but my choice would have been to get NA back. I reckon he would have welcomed it, didn't leave under a cloud and his only gripes would have been with NC. We progressed under Poch, but first season record was no better than for NA's games. All ifs, buts, maybes, but will never know what progress would have been made if NA stayed (had been steady up to then, no reason to think couldn't have continued). It seems like would have been our only chance of keeping this squad together.
I'm sure Liarllana will get the reception his behaviour so thoroughly deserves from the fans and from our defence.
[quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: I hope most of the Lalla haters are simply keyboard cowboys and he gets a good reception on return. He showed plenty of loyalty over the years, when was covetted by Spurs and others and we where in lower divisions. I for one will applaud Adam if not the others. Excited by Koeman, but my choice would have been to get NA back. I reckon he would have welcomed it, didn't leave under a cloud and his only gripes would have been with NC. We progressed under Poch, but first season record was no better than for NA's games. All ifs, buts, maybes, but will never know what progress would have been made if NA stayed (had been steady up to then, no reason to think couldn't have continued). It seems like would have been our only chance of keeping this squad together.[/p][/quote]I'm sure Liarllana will get the reception his behaviour so thoroughly deserves from the fans and from our defence. jls217
  • Score: 3

2:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintChris46 wrote:
Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season.
From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel.
Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are.
Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives.
What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more.

So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this.

By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR!
We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?
My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it.
Jls, your brother is no genius, I predicted the very same months ago and I am as thick as too short planks.. I also predicted it would be around 6 first team departures.
Then that promotes you to that august spot also mate because genius he most assuredly is. Used to live in the Cheshire footballers belt and has rubbed shoulders with the hoi poloi there. Almost became director of one of the Sheffield clubs (can't remember which now) decided to move back south but still has his finger on the pulse.

Hope Rambo can bring the rot to a halt long enough for everyone to catch their breath and salvage some of the first 11.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: Whilst this may be a relatively supportive article about the club, the Daily Echo should also hang their head in shame. They, despite being a local newspaper and therefore should be fighting the Saints' cause, have joined forces with the Daily Mail, Guardian, Express, Sun, Mirror to systematically dismantle the squad from last season. From having a team a couple of months ago that was the envy of the Premier League, winning rave reviews from the pundits and supposedly being the future of English football; these rags have done everything within their power to ensure that the top six cartel is protected from the Saints upstarts who were daring to challenge the cartel. Whilst I am aware some of these players had probably made up their minds they were "better than Southampton", the press have seized upon any rumour involving Saints and reported it as fact whilst blowing it up to such proportions that the rest of the EPL think there is some sort of firesale and that any offer will suffice to obtain their services, as the players are unsettled where they are. Another who should hang his head in shame is Ralph Krueger. To come out with such a pathetic statement regarding the club's finances (unpaid transfer fees, training ground etc) was both unprofessional and indeed suicidal. All that did was to fuel the rumours and place the club in an impossible situation once the press had sunk their teeth into it. Les Reed did his level best to pacify the fans and repair some of the damage Krueger had caused, but we all know the press would rather report the negatives over any positives. What should have been an exciting summer for Saints fans, has turned into their worst nightmare. Roy Hodgson, season ticket holder at St Marys last season, boosted the egos of AL, LS and RL before the world cup, only to drop them from our pathetic World Cup campaign. Cynics might suggest that by playing them would have boosted their values and forced their intended target clubs to pay more. So it is all very well writing such an article now, but it smacks of "after the horse has bolted". Sorry for the long post, but I feel passionate about this. By the way, I am not in the negative camp. I believe we will do well next year, perhaps not as well as last season but it will take Koeman a while to blend the existing players with the new recruits. COYR![/p][/quote]We should have all sat up and taken more notice,and queried Messrs Lineker,Hansen and Shearer assertions on MotD at the end of last season,that all this was a forgone conclusion.Talk about soothsayers..how did they know back then!?[/p][/quote]My brother who is the businessman and the high flyer of the family, unlike this grunt posting here. Told me back in Feb to enjoy it while it lasts as most of them are already bought. I laughed at him and he told me I could put it in the bank they will be gone. He named all of the current crop plus one more who seems to have dipped under the radar and I hope it stays that way. Whether he just used some sort of sound business logic or he knows people who know people (and he does right up to the very top) I know not and he would never divulge (what's more I have learned never to ask him questions) There you have it.[/p][/quote]Jls, your brother is no genius, I predicted the very same months ago and I am as thick as too short planks.. I also predicted it would be around 6 first team departures.[/p][/quote]Then that promotes you to that august spot also mate because genius he most assuredly is. Used to live in the Cheshire footballers belt and has rubbed shoulders with the hoi poloi there. Almost became director of one of the Sheffield clubs (can't remember which now) decided to move back south but still has his finger on the pulse. Hope Rambo can bring the rot to a halt long enough for everyone to catch their breath and salvage some of the first 11. jls217
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

IMO people are paying too much attention to words and not enough to actions. Lallana just stuck with Saints for 14 years, including difficult times, but seems to the target of the most abuse. Lalla is the only one of theis summers exits who is a Saint at heart, even if professional life has changed.

A few badly phrased comments and he is the focal point of the hate? I don't get it.
IMO people are paying too much attention to words and not enough to actions. Lallana just stuck with Saints for 14 years, including difficult times, but seems to the target of the most abuse. Lalla is the only one of theis summers exits who is a Saint at heart, even if professional life has changed. A few badly phrased comments and he is the focal point of the hate? I don't get it. Kamawoop
  • Score: -2

3:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

mc_kni wrote:
Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will.
Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr?????
Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave!
Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league!
Not bothered with any excuses.

All these guys have contracts at Southampton. Asking for a transfer is a right, fair enough, but not asking (does a request cost them money?) is a no-go, especially when a star player and the CAPTAIN says he will NOT play again for the club, and says how he just dreamed of playing for a top club like Liverpool, is just not acceptable. I do not care what anyone says, but this is disloyalty in the extreme. And then a press ad - spare us, please.

So, OK, they will still go, have gone, but, boy will they get a welcome next time at St, Mary's.

Nothing to do about they previously contributed to the club, this does NOT come into it at all.

Just, money, money, money and, I nearly forgot ME, ME, ME!

Get lost!
[quote][p][bold]mc_kni[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone so bitter! There is no loyalty football, footballers are greedy and selfless, and use champions league and trophies as an excuse for more money. They have all gone to bigger clubs, who all have a much better chance of success than Saints ever will. Everyone is just assuming, and making up their own theories. My theory is that Pochettino sat down with the new board, and asked about next steps, transfer fees and players. You honestly think he would leave a club were he had a great season and was loved by the players if the board had guaranteed him a decent budget to take us to the next level, and to keep our best playesr????? Even if the above is just my assumption, and I am wrong, then players I believe would look at the scenario of Mo Po leaving as unsettling and a kick in the teeth, given the season we had, and the huge optimism for the season ahead. The chairmen who had a vision for champ league football has gone, the manager has gone, and we've started selling our best players! So if you were at a company, loved working with your manager and the company director, bought into their vision, and then they suddenly left, im sure you would feel unsettled and question ambition, and probably want to leave! Also no one knows the underlying reasons for the so called exodus. Lallana said he spoke to Poch after he left - what did he tell him? He may have said the new board have a new 5 year plan to consolidate & stabilise the club, clear debt, and ensure prem league survival, which is a far cry from keeping our best players, adding to the squad, and pushing for champ league![/p][/quote]Not bothered with any excuses. All these guys have contracts at Southampton. Asking for a transfer is a right, fair enough, but not asking (does a request cost them money?) is a no-go, especially when a star player and the CAPTAIN says he will NOT play again for the club, and says how he just dreamed of playing for a top club like Liverpool, is just not acceptable. I do not care what anyone says, but this is disloyalty in the extreme. And then a press ad - spare us, please. So, OK, they will still go, have gone, but, boy will they get a welcome next time at St, Mary's. Nothing to do about they previously contributed to the club, this does NOT come into it at all. Just, money, money, money and, I nearly forgot ME, ME, ME! Get lost! saintbobby
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

teuly123 says...

What some people are saying about why are us fans so bitter and questioning what the board said to mo-po etc etc aren't really thinking about the whole situation.

We are bitter because of the way the transfers were handled. Everyone i think can agree that Lambert's transfer was reluctantly supported and everyone wishes him well because he's a legend at Saints. Shaw's transfer less so supported and personally i think he should have stayed another season but he was always going to go and i think he will get an incredible reception when he returns with United next season. However, Lallana's transfer is everything that is wrong with football and wrong with players these days. Threatening not to play ever again for a club just to push through a transfer is disgusting, but to do it to the club that funneled you through the youth academy at a massive expense as well as saying last season when he signed a 5 year contract, "i want to retire at saints" makes it 50 times worse, and then that rubbish full page article he takes out was the cherry on top. Buzzing for the first game of the season where all fans show love for lambert and hate for lallana. "He can play on the left, he can play on the right, Dusan Tadic makes lallana look ****." - lets hope we get him in. As well there is the thing about lallana (and shaw) not meeting koeman which shows a lack of respect by both players.

All these problems though stemmed from Cortese, although hailed early on he made a lot of decisions that were questionable and promised a lot of things that were dreams which was what has been promised to the likes of Lovren and now why they want to leave, but again, meet the new manager before deciding you want to leave.

Saints are still going places but i think if we have any chance of doing well this season it is essential to hold on to MS and DL otherwise i think we're going to be in big trouble.
What some people are saying about why are us fans so bitter and questioning what the board said to mo-po etc etc aren't really thinking about the whole situation. We are bitter because of the way the transfers were handled. Everyone i think can agree that Lambert's transfer was reluctantly supported and everyone wishes him well because he's a legend at Saints. Shaw's transfer less so supported and personally i think he should have stayed another season but he was always going to go and i think he will get an incredible reception when he returns with United next season. However, Lallana's transfer is everything that is wrong with football and wrong with players these days. Threatening not to play ever again for a club just to push through a transfer is disgusting, but to do it to the club that funneled you through the youth academy at a massive expense as well as saying last season when he signed a 5 year contract, "i want to retire at saints" makes it 50 times worse, and then that rubbish full page article he takes out was the cherry on top. Buzzing for the first game of the season where all fans show love for lambert and hate for lallana. "He can play on the left, he can play on the right, Dusan Tadic makes lallana look ****." - lets hope we get him in. As well there is the thing about lallana (and shaw) not meeting koeman which shows a lack of respect by both players. All these problems though stemmed from Cortese, although hailed early on he made a lot of decisions that were questionable and promised a lot of things that were dreams which was what has been promised to the likes of Lovren and now why they want to leave, but again, meet the new manager before deciding you want to leave. Saints are still going places but i think if we have any chance of doing well this season it is essential to hold on to MS and DL otherwise i think we're going to be in big trouble. teuly123
  • Score: 1

4:04pm Thu 3 Jul 14

vidman says...

The problems started just before last Xmas. What happened then was KL started poking her nose into the club. She started giving the orders and changed the 'plan'. This led to player unrest and NC left. MoPo was mad to feel uncomfortable which rubbed off on the players. Les Reed was put in charge of day to day running ad most staff at the club know his track record is not that good. MoPo stalled until the end of season then left, the better players saw this and followed suit. LR stated that no player would leave until a new manager was in place. This happened, the manager was announced on Monday and Tuesday the players started leaving, so he kept his word, if not underhandidly.
KL does not want success, she wants a team that ticks over and makes her some money. Remember her words when she inherited the club, 'I do not like football'. She may not be asset stripping but she is making sure that the better players want to leave. Koeman should be able to attract the best players but it is LR who is doing the negotiations, let's see who actually signs. Word at Staplewood this week is that DL, GR, MS, NC and CC will be gone by the start of the season.
The problems started just before last Xmas. What happened then was KL started poking her nose into the club. She started giving the orders and changed the 'plan'. This led to player unrest and NC left. MoPo was mad to feel uncomfortable which rubbed off on the players. Les Reed was put in charge of day to day running ad most staff at the club know his track record is not that good. MoPo stalled until the end of season then left, the better players saw this and followed suit. LR stated that no player would leave until a new manager was in place. This happened, the manager was announced on Monday and Tuesday the players started leaving, so he kept his word, if not underhandidly. KL does not want success, she wants a team that ticks over and makes her some money. Remember her words when she inherited the club, 'I do not like football'. She may not be asset stripping but she is making sure that the better players want to leave. Koeman should be able to attract the best players but it is LR who is doing the negotiations, let's see who actually signs. Word at Staplewood this week is that DL, GR, MS, NC and CC will be gone by the start of the season. vidman
  • Score: -5

4:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:
Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.
Agree--very out of character but welcome.


If the Lovren story is correct then Leach could have come up with a more telling healine like.

Lovren - Professional Footballer or Money Grabber?

Pardew remarked our academy player were well prepared and ready for teoutsie world...an understatement.
[quote][p][bold]CHARLIE TAYLOR[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the D.ECHO on our side for once !! We actually have a pro Saints reporter, well wrote Simon.[/p][/quote]Agree--very out of character but welcome. If the Lovren story is correct then Leach could have come up with a more telling healine like. Lovren - Professional Footballer or Money Grabber? Pardew remarked our academy player were well prepared and ready for teoutsie world...an understatement. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Winch70 says...

jls217 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order).
The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.
Are you the same person who was threatening to punch someone's lights out a few short days ago.

If you are, I'm about to patronize you, I am amazed that behind the strutting peacock chav reaction behaviour you demonstrated there is clearly a calm and logical brain struggling with its inner self. Lucid too.

If it wasn't you then I apologize and hope the miscreant reads this and recognizes the difference between the two ends of the spectrum and models himself on the above posting and not what went before. Good post mate. Which am I going to get Jekyll or Hyde?
Mug or something/someone offered/ threatened to punch my lights out after I suggested he was a knöb for inviting people to Hythe to punch Luke Shaw.
Previously I have said something along the lines that another poster questioning my character would probably not stand by the insult in person.

I wouldn't threaten to punch anyone's lights out on an internet forum. I'm happy to stand by anything that I type, views are my own, whether palatable to the reader or not......not quick to be outraged or offended.
There we are, that's me.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: These situations will continually occur in most clubs in the premier league. We are now in a position where young men are turned into sporting icons, earning millions of pounds barely after gaining chest hair. The fans worship these players, put them on pedestals only to feel aggrieved when the penny drops that you cannot apportion your own sense of loyalty, love and devotion for a club to an individual whose main concern is what they can get paid and what can they win. (most definitely in that order). The sooner all can accept that top flight footballers are nothing more than grossly over-paid transient employees, the easier it will be to cope with the disappointment of being let down when they don't measure up to your standards of morality and decency. I will support Saints to my dying day, but more importantly I will support the team of the day, the players currently playing in the shirt and playing for the shirt. If they no longer play for Saints or wish to play, then I hope that every time they come up against their former club they come off second best.[/p][/quote]Are you the same person who was threatening to punch someone's lights out a few short days ago. If you are, I'm about to patronize you, I am amazed that behind the strutting peacock chav reaction behaviour you demonstrated there is clearly a calm and logical brain struggling with its inner self. Lucid too. If it wasn't you then I apologize and hope the miscreant reads this and recognizes the difference between the two ends of the spectrum and models himself on the above posting and not what went before. Good post mate. Which am I going to get Jekyll or Hyde?[/p][/quote]Mug or something/someone offered/ threatened to punch my lights out after I suggested he was a knöb for inviting people to Hythe to punch Luke Shaw. Previously I have said something along the lines that another poster questioning my character would probably not stand by the insult in person. I wouldn't threaten to punch anyone's lights out on an internet forum. I'm happy to stand by anything that I type, views are my own, whether palatable to the reader or not......not quick to be outraged or offended. There we are, that's me. St.Winch70
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

This is a rabble rouser of an article and it worked. There was a short ar$e german painter with a dodgy 'tache who was good at that once... it didn't work out well for him .. so beware

All Im interested in is seeing Ron build a new team. We are all shuffling around as if we are being relegated.. we have £100,000,000 to spend ffs. How many new bosses have that?

Pardew did it, Adkins improved on it , and Poch built on Adkins work .. now its Rons turn. A new team will emerge. and it will be awesome

There is too much gloom on this site, Koeman should be given as much support from everyone as possible. Instead all he's seeing is moaning about who is leaving. Go for it Ron., show 'em you can build a new team that will whack the living daylights out the others and get us even higher on the league.

What's done is done. It's what is going to happen that I'm looking forawrd to.

Cheer up you miserable b*ggers.
This is a rabble rouser of an article and it worked. There was a short ar$e german painter with a dodgy 'tache who was good at that once... it didn't work out well for him .. so beware All Im interested in is seeing Ron build a new team. We are all shuffling around as if we are being relegated.. we have £100,000,000 to spend ffs. How many new bosses have that? Pardew did it, Adkins improved on it , and Poch built on Adkins work .. now its Rons turn. A new team will emerge. and it will be awesome There is too much gloom on this site, Koeman should be given as much support from everyone as possible. Instead all he's seeing is moaning about who is leaving. Go for it Ron., show 'em you can build a new team that will whack the living daylights out the others and get us even higher on the league. What's done is done. It's what is going to happen that I'm looking forawrd to. Cheer up you miserable b*ggers. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

I have a feeling in my bones that Ronald Koeman will do very well for us next season,and we will all be wondering why we got so stressed about the events that we are having to endure at the moment.
This a horrible "Lowesque" type moment we are going through now,the like of which we never thought we would see again,but I don't think all is lost,and Southampton football club will rise again,as it always does.
Onwards and Upwards!
I have a feeling in my bones that Ronald Koeman will do very well for us next season,and we will all be wondering why we got so stressed about the events that we are having to endure at the moment. This a horrible "Lowesque" type moment we are going through now,the like of which we never thought we would see again,but I don't think all is lost,and Southampton football club will rise again,as it always does. Onwards and Upwards! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

dunque says...

Last laugh could be on us - we have a manager who actually knows how to win things as a manager and a player.
Last laugh could be on us - we have a manager who actually knows how to win things as a manager and a player. dunque
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.
They would all say it was due to a change of the project.
It's a very easy and simple thing to say, that deflects blame from them and shifts it onto the board, just prolonging the disruption and infighting amongst the fans.
There may be an element of truth, in what they say, but as you know, some of Pochettino's own staff wanted to carry on, at SMS, which to me, at least, indicates the project hasn't really changed that much.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo, when the dust has settled will you please do interviews with the departed players to find out, other than the money, why they want out so quickly.[/p][/quote]They would all say it was due to a change of the project. It's a very easy and simple thing to say, that deflects blame from them and shifts it onto the board, just prolonging the disruption and infighting amongst the fans. There may be an element of truth, in what they say, but as you know, some of Pochettino's own staff wanted to carry on, at SMS, which to me, at least, indicates the project hasn't really changed that much. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

spratt says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
richard903 wrote:
WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's
It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio!

Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season.

The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better.

Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy.

Up the Saints!!!
LIKE IT! VERY GOOD POST' COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THATS SAID. MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONE SEASON TO RE-ESTABLISH BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THIS NEW MANAGER.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's[/p][/quote]It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio! Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season. The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better. Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]LIKE IT! VERY GOOD POST' COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THATS SAID. MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONE SEASON TO RE-ESTABLISH BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THIS NEW MANAGER. spratt
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

chapellady says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
It was so easy for NC to promise the earth when he was using someone elses money. Had ML still been here today he might have wanted some say into how his money was being spent, NC was his friend and perhaps did have the vision but that's easy when you can persuade your rich pal to cough up. What if KL believed her Dad had been taken advantage of and didn't like the way NC had all the power without any risk to himself. I believe NC knew he was being found out and got out when he could, determined to cause as much unrest as possible so that he would come up smelling of roses when things started going wrong. I believe SFC will have a tough but still successful season, I dont want to buy success but earn it and show the top clubs that are trying to prevent us joining them that the Southampton Way is the correct way, the fact Livepool want 3 players from our team proves that. One day maybe the 'cartel' bubble will burst and players will choose to come to SFC as playing will be more important than their ego's and bank balances.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great.[/p][/quote]It was so easy for NC to promise the earth when he was using someone elses money. Had ML still been here today he might have wanted some say into how his money was being spent, NC was his friend and perhaps did have the vision but that's easy when you can persuade your rich pal to cough up. What if KL believed her Dad had been taken advantage of and didn't like the way NC had all the power without any risk to himself. I believe NC knew he was being found out and got out when he could, determined to cause as much unrest as possible so that he would come up smelling of roses when things started going wrong. I believe SFC will have a tough but still successful season, I dont want to buy success but earn it and show the top clubs that are trying to prevent us joining them that the Southampton Way is the correct way, the fact Livepool want 3 players from our team proves that. One day maybe the 'cartel' bubble will burst and players will choose to come to SFC as playing will be more important than their ego's and bank balances. chapellady
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

chapellady says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
I believe this is what's happened:

1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit.

2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top.

3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested.

4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen.

5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs.

6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too.

7. We are where we are now. Great.
It was so easy for NC to promise the earth when he was using someone elses money. Had ML still been here today he might have wanted some say into how his money was being spent, NC was his friend and perhaps did have the vision but that's easy when you can persuade your rich pal to cough up. What if KL believed her Dad had been taken advantage of and didn't like the way NC had all the power without any risk to himself. I believe NC knew he was being found out and got out when he could, determined to cause as much unrest as possible so that he would come up smelling of roses when things started going wrong. I believe SFC will have a tough but still successful season, I dont want to buy success but earn it and show the top clubs that are trying to prevent us joining them that the Southampton Way is the correct way, the fact Livepool want 3 players from our team proves that. One day maybe the 'cartel' bubble will burst and players will choose to come to SFC as playing will be more important than their ego's and bank balances.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: I believe this is what's happened: 1. NC signs players and keeps current players on the promise of reaching CL football within two years. He tells them that if we fail to get in the CL within two seasons then the players can leave. A gamble he felt he could get away with because he could just keep running the show (i.e. spending money) as he saw fit. 2. KL 'suddenly' decides, after spending some time at the games, that she wants to be more involved on a day-to-day basis, honouring her own father's memory, and also she wants NC to be a bit less powerful on his own at the top. 3. NC panics when he realises KL isn't going to let him spend whatever he wants, and realises that he can no longer guarantee the players he already promised CL football to that we will get there in the time frame he suggested. 4. Being a smart cookie, NC realises that he is technically now a liar, and the majority of players will want out if he has to tell them that he can no longer honour his promise to them, so he quits. If he didn't quit he'd have to sell players and had already said to the media that he would never let that happen. 5. MoPo realises that NC has quit because he can no longer PROMISE what he shouldn't have promised in the first place. He was also sold the lie that Saints will be in CL by next season. He tells the players he's moving on because the new regime want to cut costs. 6. All the mercenary, money-grabbing players, who were told by NC to sign for Saints because we would be playing CL football in two seasons and thus triple your wages, decide to leave too. 7. We are where we are now. Great.[/p][/quote]It was so easy for NC to promise the earth when he was using someone elses money. Had ML still been here today he might have wanted some say into how his money was being spent, NC was his friend and perhaps did have the vision but that's easy when you can persuade your rich pal to cough up. What if KL believed her Dad had been taken advantage of and didn't like the way NC had all the power without any risk to himself. I believe NC knew he was being found out and got out when he could, determined to cause as much unrest as possible so that he would come up smelling of roses when things started going wrong. I believe SFC will have a tough but still successful season, I dont want to buy success but earn it and show the top clubs that are trying to prevent us joining them that the Southampton Way is the correct way, the fact Livepool want 3 players from our team proves that. One day maybe the 'cartel' bubble will burst and players will choose to come to SFC as playing will be more important than their ego's and bank balances. chapellady
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

spratt wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
richard903 wrote:
WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's
It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio!

Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season.

The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better.

Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy.

Up the Saints!!!
LIKE IT! VERY GOOD POST' COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THATS SAID. MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONE SEASON TO RE-ESTABLISH BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THIS NEW MANAGER.
Guess you are new at posting messages, ask your youngster to show you how the caps lock works. Using capitals is considered to be rude and shouting. Your message is fine.
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: WHACK! Potty Chino left, in my humble opinion the key. If the board had been prepared to sell Potty Chino a new dream for the next 5 years perhaps he would have stayed, and a few of our stars may have held on. I think the DE's most important fact in this artical, is that the players did not sit down with Koeman. They could not be bothered to give us the time. Do you peeps think we can be better next season? The football we played last season was the most beautiful I have ever seen, admitedly no plan B though. One dutch person on facebook said RK is a master of tactics? Lets hope so! Strangly despite everything I cant wait for the new season to start. COYR's[/p][/quote]It seems very strange to me that Tottenham didn't have Ronald Koeman in mind as their new manager, rather than Mauricio Pochettino. I believe Saints have got themselves a much better manager, with a proven record of trophy winning success. The great thing is that Tottenham obviously paid Saints compensation for Mauricio! Now we are seeing player departures, all for good amounts of money. They will all be replaced. Southampton FC is now a high enough profile club, with an even higher profile new manager, so I reckon it should be no problem bringing in decent quality new Saints players. I see all this as building for the future. Perhaps next season the team will be even better than last season. The Saints during Mauricio Pochettino's period as manager were not players he brought to the club. Mauricio did, however, attract one player to Saints. Dani Osvaldo is that player and we all know how much of a temperamental liability he has so far turned out to be! Ronald Koeman is a Saints manager who is much more widely known in football than Mauricio. Ron will draw good players to the club and will build the first team squad the way he needs it. Last season showed us that Saints lacked strength in depth, which Pochettino might have addressed before then, but didn't. Ron has more managerial experience, so should do better. Now is the time to look forward, not at the past. I am anticipating a good season, with some good new Saints to support, including one or two from our wonderful academy. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]LIKE IT! VERY GOOD POST' COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THATS SAID. MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONE SEASON TO RE-ESTABLISH BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THIS NEW MANAGER.[/p][/quote]Guess you are new at posting messages, ask your youngster to show you how the caps lock works. Using capitals is considered to be rude and shouting. Your message is fine. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

8:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

yellowcard says...

WHACK... OSAVALDO has agreed personal terms with Milan according to talksport
WHACK... OSAVALDO has agreed personal terms with Milan according to talksport yellowcard
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SAINT NZ says...

My thoughts from a Saints fan all the way over in New Zealand is simple......players in their careers will play for lets say 5 x clubs, some more, some less.......a fan will support 1 x club in their lifetime......player
s are not fans they have a playing career...loyalty to play for one club only is rare......so lets just move on and try to rebuild our starting eleven so we can have another great season......celebrat
e the players that got us to the prem...let them now earn the big $$$$ for doing so, and we settle in for a new beginning. Hell we have been in this position many times before!
My thoughts from a Saints fan all the way over in New Zealand is simple......players in their careers will play for lets say 5 x clubs, some more, some less.......a fan will support 1 x club in their lifetime......player s are not fans they have a playing career...loyalty to play for one club only is rare......so lets just move on and try to rebuild our starting eleven so we can have another great season......celebrat e the players that got us to the prem...let them now earn the big $$$$ for doing so, and we settle in for a new beginning. Hell we have been in this position many times before! SAINT NZ
  • Score: 3

9:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

yellowcard wrote:
WHACK... OSAVALDO has agreed personal terms with Milan according to talksport
Must've got over his diahorrea then.
[quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: WHACK... OSAVALDO has agreed personal terms with Milan according to talksport[/p][/quote]Must've got over his diahorrea then. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

8:37am Fri 4 Jul 14

cpnhadock says...

With the exception of lambert I personally say f@&k the rest of them.

Shaw - didn't meet with Koeman, jumped to utd (where funnily enough he hadn't met van gaal either) I'm not sure I would feel comfortable signing a long term contract for a boss I'd never met.

Lallana - watch liverpools season and 'wondered where THAT team could push on to' (well, Lallana had obviously forgotten the season we had - why didn't he want to see if we could push on)

Lovren - if rumours are true then his actions are the cheapest and by far the lowest in class. That said one good season doesn't make you world class - his reputation before us wasn't all positive.

Schneiderlin - I'm hoping that he will be different and want to keep leading our team forward! ( fingers crossed)

Poch - thanks for putting on a good show while you were in town. I hope either you are gutted when spurs sack you in 12 months or I hope that spurs fans are gutted when you ruthlessly pimp yourself for the barca or real jobs in 12 months

Coyr!
With the exception of lambert I personally say f@&k the rest of them. Shaw - didn't meet with Koeman, jumped to utd (where funnily enough he hadn't met van gaal either) I'm not sure I would feel comfortable signing a long term contract for a boss I'd never met. Lallana - watch liverpools season and 'wondered where THAT team could push on to' (well, Lallana had obviously forgotten the season we had - why didn't he want to see if we could push on) Lovren - if rumours are true then his actions are the cheapest and by far the lowest in class. That said one good season doesn't make you world class - his reputation before us wasn't all positive. Schneiderlin - I'm hoping that he will be different and want to keep leading our team forward! ( fingers crossed) Poch - thanks for putting on a good show while you were in town. I hope either you are gutted when spurs sack you in 12 months or I hope that spurs fans are gutted when you ruthlessly pimp yourself for the barca or real jobs in 12 months Coyr! cpnhadock
  • Score: 2

10:53am Fri 4 Jul 14

marbus66 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
DE - how about you stop posting articles designed to provoke emotional responses from the fans?

players come and go all the time. Frustrating as it is to lose the great team we had last season, all this crying over spilled milk is not doing anyone any good.

focus on the future - new manager, new signings, billionaire owner clearly committed to the club - because if she wasn't she wouldn't be allowing them to spend to replace players.

BE POSITIVE ABOUT SAINTS
Lets wait and see how much of the money raised from selling some of our best players gets spent on new players before we know how commited our billionaire owner is!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: DE - how about you stop posting articles designed to provoke emotional responses from the fans? players come and go all the time. Frustrating as it is to lose the great team we had last season, all this crying over spilled milk is not doing anyone any good. focus on the future - new manager, new signings, billionaire owner clearly committed to the club - because if she wasn't she wouldn't be allowing them to spend to replace players. BE POSITIVE ABOUT SAINTS[/p][/quote]Lets wait and see how much of the money raised from selling some of our best players gets spent on new players before we know how commited our billionaire owner is!!! marbus66
  • Score: -1

7:40pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Debs1267 says...

Unfortunately our success in the past few years (particularly the last year) has made some of our players cocky, arrogant and big headed believing themselves to be better than they are. Quite frankly (with the exception of Lambert) I hope they all fall flat on their faces including Pochettino. I hope that Koeman proves to be a great manager and we can make some top quality signings that prove to be great value for money. I hope our youngsters come through from the academy and step up to the challenge. I hope that Man Utd fail to make Champions League next season, Liverpool do not win the league and Tottenham finish below us and all these money grabbing judas's regret their moves. As a big Saints fan I am appauled by the lack of respect shown by these deserters with no explanation and having achieved so much, showing no loyalty to the Club that has put them where they are today :-(
Unfortunately our success in the past few years (particularly the last year) has made some of our players cocky, arrogant and big headed believing themselves to be better than they are. Quite frankly (with the exception of Lambert) I hope they all fall flat on their faces including Pochettino. I hope that Koeman proves to be a great manager and we can make some top quality signings that prove to be great value for money. I hope our youngsters come through from the academy and step up to the challenge. I hope that Man Utd fail to make Champions League next season, Liverpool do not win the league and Tottenham finish below us and all these money grabbing judas's regret their moves. As a big Saints fan I am appauled by the lack of respect shown by these deserters with no explanation and having achieved so much, showing no loyalty to the Club that has put them where they are today :-( Debs1267
  • Score: 3

8:34am Sat 5 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

This really is so disrespectful to the Saints fans and the club. I know Lallana appears nonchalant but he is a Southampton lad and his family as well, so surely he must feel some pangs of guilt over the next few months and years when he is made to realise how much the club means to the city and its fans, as if he didn't know before. How can he reconcile himself with what he has said and done. One of his prime assets was his humility - well, that's gone.
This really is so disrespectful to the Saints fans and the club. I know Lallana appears nonchalant but he is a Southampton lad and his family as well, so surely he must feel some pangs of guilt over the next few months and years when he is made to realise how much the club means to the city and its fans, as if he didn't know before. How can he reconcile himself with what he has said and done. One of his prime assets was his humility - well, that's gone. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Would like to see Simon and his colleagues really escalate some serious debate into conspiracy theories and why we are experiencing this 'cluster' exodus -I believe unprecedented by any club (other than the once corrupt one down the road) -after such a sustained period of success.
I can understand that the club -rightly or wrongly -would not want to get unduly mired in this debate for fear of undermining current managerial activity, but a few short, sharp statements in the right place surely wouldn't go amiss?
Saints Forever.
Would like to see Simon and his colleagues really escalate some serious debate into conspiracy theories and why we are experiencing this 'cluster' exodus -I believe unprecedented by any club (other than the once corrupt one down the road) -after such a sustained period of success. I can understand that the club -rightly or wrongly -would not want to get unduly mired in this debate for fear of undermining current managerial activity, but a few short, sharp statements in the right place surely wouldn't go amiss? Saints Forever. lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

11:12am Mon 7 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Would like to see Simon and his colleagues really escalate some serious debate into conspiracy theories and why we are experiencing this 'cluster' exodus -I believe unprecedented by any club (other than the once corrupt one down the road) -after such a sustained period of success.
I can understand that the club -rightly or wrongly -would not want to get unduly mired in this debate for fear of undermining current managerial activity, but a few short, sharp statements in the right place surely wouldn't go amiss?
Saints Forever.
For example:
Who are the agents of the players in question (cluster or coincidence)?
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: Would like to see Simon and his colleagues really escalate some serious debate into conspiracy theories and why we are experiencing this 'cluster' exodus -I believe unprecedented by any club (other than the once corrupt one down the road) -after such a sustained period of success. I can understand that the club -rightly or wrongly -would not want to get unduly mired in this debate for fear of undermining current managerial activity, but a few short, sharp statements in the right place surely wouldn't go amiss? Saints Forever.[/p][/quote]For example: Who are the agents of the players in question (cluster or coincidence)? lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

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