Saints boss Ronald Koeman tells Liverpool they will have to increase their bid for Dejan Lovren if they want to sign the defender this summer

DEJAN LOVREN

DEJAN LOVREN

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Ronald Koeman has told Liverpool they will have to increase their bid for Dejan Lovren if they want to sign him this summer.

Saints have rejected two offers from the Reds for the defender during the transfer window, with reports in his homeland of Croatia at the weekend suggesting a deal had now been agreed.

However, Koeman says no new bid has been received – although he made it clear the club are willing to part ways with the disenchanted centre back if the price is right.

“If they are interested, they have to come with a bid, and a good one, and then we can speak about that, because the player likes to move,” he said.

“Players have to be happy in Southampton – they have to fight for the colours of Southampton and, if not, ok, but always if there is a good bid on the table.

“In the last week there is no contact, and that’s strange because there is a lot of rumours about that.”

Lovren was absent from last night’s 1-0 win at Swindon through injury, and Koeman added: “He said to me when he gets that possibility he would like to move. Ok, on the one side I can understand it.

“On the other side, as a manager, I like to work with the players who are happy in Southampton, and I don’t work with the players who are not happy.”

Koeman has been linked with a move for Aston Villa defender Ron Vlaar if Lovren does go, but despite being quoted as saying he was an option, the Dutchman said he has not spoken about him.

“These are rumours. I didn’t say anything about Ron Vlaar. I only said I know him as a player,” he said.

“He’s a good player, but maybe we need one of them when Lovren left the club, but still there is no bid in the last week from Liverpool, and normally he will continue.”

The Saints boss also reiterated that there had been no bids for Morgan Schneiderlin, despite speculation linking the midfielder with moves to Arsenal and Spurs.

Koeman revealed the Frenchman is due back at the club this weekend, after a post-World Cup holiday.

He also said that an extended leave of absence had been agreed for Dani Osvaldo, and that they hoped to find him a new club.

“We have to look for an opportunity for him to play in a different team,” he said.

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5:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it.
Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 7

5:09am Tue 22 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Didn't they just offer 16m?
Didn't they just offer 16m? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -9

5:19am Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

No we turned down 20 wanting 25 and they haven't been back.les is worried sick and will probably sell for around 12.then we have to go out and replace him. I know why don't we bring his replacement in now and then sell him.no that would be stupid wouldn't it les?
No we turned down 20 wanting 25 and they haven't been back.les is worried sick and will probably sell for around 12.then we have to go out and replace him. I know why don't we bring his replacement in now and then sell him.no that would be stupid wouldn't it les? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 49

5:24am Tue 22 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Agreed, Would like to see a new signing. I hope that they are taking their time in order to find a quality replacement.
Agreed, Would like to see a new signing. I hope that they are taking their time in order to find a quality replacement. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 21

5:55am Tue 22 Jul 14

Chicago Saint says...

Gotta LOVE the way RK speaks with AUTHORITY! Plain and simple...
-L'pool, you want him? Then pay up!
-Lovren, you don't want to play for our colors? Get us a good price and be on your way!
-You don't have pride in the Southampton Red & White? Then I don't want to coach you!
-"As a manager, I like to work with the players who are happy in Southampton, and I don’t work with the players who are not happy.”
-Heard it from our manager... there have been NO BIDS for Spider!
-We've given Osvaldo an extended leave of absence in order to find him a new club.

What a stand-up guy... LOVE THIS MANAGER!!!

PS MP, I would suggest you take note on being straight up and being a man!
Gotta LOVE the way RK speaks with AUTHORITY! Plain and simple... -L'pool, you want him? Then pay up! -Lovren, you don't want to play for our colors? Get us a good price and be on your way! -You don't have pride in the Southampton Red & White? Then I don't want to coach you! -"As a manager, I like to work with the players who are happy in Southampton, and I don’t work with the players who are not happy.” -Heard it from our manager... there have been NO BIDS for Spider! -We've given Osvaldo an extended leave of absence in order to find him a new club. What a stand-up guy... LOVE THIS MANAGER!!! PS MP, I would suggest you take note on being straight up and being a man! Chicago Saint
  • Score: 139

5:55am Tue 22 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Didn't they just offer 16m?
'The transfer fee for Lovren, who joined Saints for £8.5m from Lyon last summer, is believed to be around the £16m mark. '

Sorry, my bad.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Didn't they just offer 16m?[/p][/quote]'The transfer fee for Lovren, who joined Saints for £8.5m from Lyon last summer, is believed to be around the £16m mark. ' Sorry, my bad. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -6

5:56am Tue 22 Jul 14

Zenman says...

As usual the press twist what has been said to suit their headline. Bit like people dancing with snakes because it talks about it in some obscure biblical passage. So what are the facts?
1) Lovren wants away
2) Koeman wants him to stay
3) No bids have been made in the last week
Conclusion is that papers are short of anything new so are overemphasising any small snippet to make a headling!
As usual the press twist what has been said to suit their headline. Bit like people dancing with snakes because it talks about it in some obscure biblical passage. So what are the facts? 1) Lovren wants away 2) Koeman wants him to stay 3) No bids have been made in the last week Conclusion is that papers are short of anything new so are overemphasising any small snippet to make a headling! Zenman
  • Score: 17

5:58am Tue 22 Jul 14

olddellsaint says...

It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s
It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s olddellsaint
  • Score: 29

6:14am Tue 22 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Didn't they just offer 16m?
They were supposed to have offered 18m (or 20m according to Lovren) a few weeks ago, now they seem to have offered 16m. Makes you wonder if the press really know any more than us.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Didn't they just offer 16m?[/p][/quote]They were supposed to have offered 18m (or 20m according to Lovren) a few weeks ago, now they seem to have offered 16m. Makes you wonder if the press really know any more than us. Rising_Son
  • Score: 25

6:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

In the last couple of days the national press were implying that saints had excepted a bid from Liverpool and the transfer was on, just goes to show you can't believe everything you read.
In the last couple of days the national press were implying that saints had excepted a bid from Liverpool and the transfer was on, just goes to show you can't believe everything you read. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 26

6:36am Tue 22 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt. bstokesaint
  • Score: 34

6:41am Tue 22 Jul 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: 6

7:06am Tue 22 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

RK spot on. Secret of success is a team willing to die for the cause. If any individual is a stand-out quality player that's merely a bonus. This is reason England will continue to be a total failure.

Get rid of the inflated egos for inflated prices, avoid the mercenaries who just want a meal ticket, and get in the good and promising - those who WANT to be part of a NEW project rather than see it just as a stepping stone.

(but can we please get these people in and out asap?)
RK spot on. Secret of success is a team willing to die for the cause. If any individual is a stand-out quality player that's merely a bonus. This is reason England will continue to be a total failure. Get rid of the inflated egos for inflated prices, avoid the mercenaries who just want a meal ticket, and get in the good and promising - those who WANT to be part of a NEW project rather than see it just as a stepping stone. (but can we please get these people in and out asap?) saint christopher
  • Score: 21

7:16am Tue 22 Jul 14

jls217 says...

saint christopher wrote:
RK spot on. Secret of success is a team willing to die for the cause. If any individual is a stand-out quality player that's merely a bonus. This is reason England will continue to be a total failure.

Get rid of the inflated egos for inflated prices, avoid the mercenaries who just want a meal ticket, and get in the good and promising - those who WANT to be part of a NEW project rather than see it just as a stepping stone.

(but can we please get these people in and out asap?)
They all have inflated egos because we and the media have inflated them. They are all mercenaries who just want a meal ticket and they are never going to be satisfied with what they have as there is always someone willing to offer more. All young wannabees will see Saints as a stepping stone for the reasons given above.
This is what the industry has become because we encouraged it with our hero worship of our teams.

So far I like the way Rambo is dealing with them, little chance of misunderstanding his position on them is there?
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: RK spot on. Secret of success is a team willing to die for the cause. If any individual is a stand-out quality player that's merely a bonus. This is reason England will continue to be a total failure. Get rid of the inflated egos for inflated prices, avoid the mercenaries who just want a meal ticket, and get in the good and promising - those who WANT to be part of a NEW project rather than see it just as a stepping stone. (but can we please get these people in and out asap?)[/p][/quote]They all have inflated egos because we and the media have inflated them. They are all mercenaries who just want a meal ticket and they are never going to be satisfied with what they have as there is always someone willing to offer more. All young wannabees will see Saints as a stepping stone for the reasons given above. This is what the industry has become because we encouraged it with our hero worship of our teams. So far I like the way Rambo is dealing with them, little chance of misunderstanding his position on them is there? jls217
  • Score: 7

7:23am Tue 22 Jul 14

Bigrich1980 says...

Ok dont shoot the messanger - i have just got back into work and a guy i work with was on the 12:04 out of Euston to Liverpool on Friday, he said in the 1st class lounge he saw a two older guys in suits with a younger guy, he only said they stood out as one of the guys had a liverppol crest on his tie. He has just asked me what Lovren looked like and said that was him when i showed him a pic. He said he was surprised that one of them had a Liverpool tie on. He is a liverpool fan, but only a token one and wouldnt make this up. he wasnt even sure it was Loren until i showed him a picture. If this is the case then i assume fee has been agreed for him to be travelling with Liverpool representatives and i assume this is what made the rumours gather pace over the weekend.
Ok dont shoot the messanger - i have just got back into work and a guy i work with was on the 12:04 out of Euston to Liverpool on Friday, he said in the 1st class lounge he saw a two older guys in suits with a younger guy, he only said they stood out as one of the guys had a liverppol crest on his tie. He has just asked me what Lovren looked like and said that was him when i showed him a pic. He said he was surprised that one of them had a Liverpool tie on. He is a liverpool fan, but only a token one and wouldnt make this up. he wasnt even sure it was Loren until i showed him a picture. If this is the case then i assume fee has been agreed for him to be travelling with Liverpool representatives and i assume this is what made the rumours gather pace over the weekend. Bigrich1980
  • Score: -22

7:26am Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Obviously the little trip to Belgium and Holland didn't persuade Lovren to stay which is a shame. I think our bargaining position has been weakened as we are effectively asking for bids now.

Les, please sell Osvaldo. He's obviously refused to return and this board have 'agreed to an extended leave of absence' as they don't have the stomach (or backbone) for a fight. Take the loss on him and move on. In truth you should have done this a while ago.

It is time to announce another signing to steady the ship. It was widely accepted that we needed a striker, CB and GK before anyone left. If the players keep departing we are going to need a lot of incoming.

Do not confuse bringing the youngsters through like Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino have done with being forced to play them and wrecking them like Poortvliet did.
Obviously the little trip to Belgium and Holland didn't persuade Lovren to stay which is a shame. I think our bargaining position has been weakened as we are effectively asking for bids now. Les, please sell Osvaldo. He's obviously refused to return and this board have 'agreed to an extended leave of absence' as they don't have the stomach (or backbone) for a fight. Take the loss on him and move on. In truth you should have done this a while ago. It is time to announce another signing to steady the ship. It was widely accepted that we needed a striker, CB and GK before anyone left. If the players keep departing we are going to need a lot of incoming. Do not confuse bringing the youngsters through like Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino have done with being forced to play them and wrecking them like Poortvliet did. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

7:28am Tue 22 Jul 14

Jonny7oma says...

What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.
What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 34

7:37am Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

bstokesaint wrote:
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.[/p][/quote]Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's . one in the crowd
  • Score: -21

7:39am Tue 22 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 32

7:49am Tue 22 Jul 14

jls217 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .
It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.[/p][/quote]Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .[/p][/quote]It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye. jls217
  • Score: -3

7:58am Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

jls217 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .
It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.
I do find the stripes a little bit dazzling on the eyes , is this some sort of secret weapon that Saint's can legitimately use on the football pitch to secure world domination.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.[/p][/quote]Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .[/p][/quote]It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.[/p][/quote]I do find the stripes a little bit dazzling on the eyes , is this some sort of secret weapon that Saint's can legitimately use on the football pitch to secure world domination. one in the crowd
  • Score: -14

8:00am Tue 22 Jul 14

Hobson82 says...

olddellsaint wrote:
It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s
The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.
[quote][p][bold]olddellsaint[/bold] wrote: It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s[/p][/quote]The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving. Hobson82
  • Score: 9

8:01am Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .
It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.
Beautiful!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.[/p][/quote]Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .[/p][/quote]It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.[/p][/quote]Beautiful! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

8:01am Tue 22 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
Suggest you look at the Southampton trading accounts before making wild statements about any debt. Funny how a story about a training ground, suddenly became over budget ,and low and behold a debt is suddenly created as if by magic. Just anti Cortese spiel, give it a rest.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Suggest you look at the Southampton trading accounts before making wild statements about any debt. Funny how a story about a training ground, suddenly became over budget ,and low and behold a debt is suddenly created as if by magic. Just anti Cortese spiel, give it a rest. montecristosaint
  • Score: -17

8:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

milton road says...

Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction.
The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit.
Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side.
As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price.
Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction. The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit. Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side. As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price. milton road
  • Score: 20

8:07am Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Remy on his way to Boston to complete £8.5m move to Liverpool

• Jul 21, 2014 22:54

France international striker was scheduled to link up with the squad in America late on Monday evening

Loic Remy has flown to Boston to complete his £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers to Liverpool FC.
The France international striker was scheduled to link up with the squad in America late on Monday evening.
With personal terms already agreed, the 27-year-old is expected to undergo a medical on Tuesday before penning his contract.
Remy is unlikely to be considered for Wednesday night's opening tour game against Roma at Fenway Park but could feature against Olympiacos in Chicago on Sunday.
The former Lyon frontman will become the Reds' fifth summer signing following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Emre Can, Adam Lallana and Lazar Markovic.
Liverpool remain hopeful that deals for both Southampton defender Dejan Lovren and Lille striker Divock Origi will also be completed over the coming days.
Brendan Rodgers missed Liverpool's first training session at Harvard University with a virus after being told to stay away by the club's doctor.
However, it was merely a precaution and the Northern Irishman is expected to resume his duties on Tuesday as the Reds step up their preparations with an open session in front of thousands of fans at Fenway Park.
Can has played no part in training so far as he continues to be dogged by the calf problem he suffered in Saturday's friendly win at Preston.
Fabio Borini remains among Rodgers' tour party with his proposed £14million move to Sunderland in severe doubt.
The Italian frontman's Anfield career looked over after the clubs agreed a fee last Friday.
However, Borini has had second thoughts about leaving Liverpool and his agent Marco De Marchi says he now intends to stay and fight for his place.
“Sunderland have made a large offer of 18 million euros to sign him, but Fabio wants to stay," he said.
“His project with Liverpool started two years ago when he left Roma. He began a journey and it is a major project for him.
“He should not be judged on his first year. He was out for six months with various injuries and during the past year he took a step back by going to Sunderland and he has had an extraordinary season.
“His future? Now, after the loan, Liverpool have not told me anything. I think he will stay, he is convinced that he will play.”
With Lambert and Remy on board, Borini is likely to find himself down the pecking order but he appears unconcerned.
De Marchi added: “(Playing behind) Sterling, Sturridge, Lambert and now Remy?
"At Roma he was with (Francesco) Totti, (Dani) Osvaldo, (Erik) Lamela and Bojan (Krkic). He has no fear of playing alongside anyone, and for me he can play a part within any top club.”
Remy on his way to Boston to complete £8.5m move to Liverpool • Jul 21, 2014 22:54 France international striker was scheduled to link up with the squad in America late on Monday evening Loic Remy has flown to Boston to complete his £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers to Liverpool FC. The France international striker was scheduled to link up with the squad in America late on Monday evening. With personal terms already agreed, the 27-year-old is expected to undergo a medical on Tuesday before penning his contract. Remy is unlikely to be considered for Wednesday night's opening tour game against Roma at Fenway Park but could feature against Olympiacos in Chicago on Sunday. The former Lyon frontman will become the Reds' fifth summer signing following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Emre Can, Adam Lallana and Lazar Markovic. Liverpool remain hopeful that deals for both Southampton defender Dejan Lovren and Lille striker Divock Origi will also be completed over the coming days. Brendan Rodgers missed Liverpool's first training session at Harvard University with a virus after being told to stay away by the club's doctor. However, it was merely a precaution and the Northern Irishman is expected to resume his duties on Tuesday as the Reds step up their preparations with an open session in front of thousands of fans at Fenway Park. Can has played no part in training so far as he continues to be dogged by the calf problem he suffered in Saturday's friendly win at Preston. Fabio Borini remains among Rodgers' tour party with his proposed £14million move to Sunderland in severe doubt. The Italian frontman's Anfield career looked over after the clubs agreed a fee last Friday. However, Borini has had second thoughts about leaving Liverpool and his agent Marco De Marchi says he now intends to stay and fight for his place. “Sunderland have made a large offer of 18 million euros to sign him, but Fabio wants to stay," he said. “His project with Liverpool started two years ago when he left Roma. He began a journey and it is a major project for him. “He should not be judged on his first year. He was out for six months with various injuries and during the past year he took a step back by going to Sunderland and he has had an extraordinary season. “His future? Now, after the loan, Liverpool have not told me anything. I think he will stay, he is convinced that he will play.” With Lambert and Remy on board, Borini is likely to find himself down the pecking order but he appears unconcerned. De Marchi added: “(Playing behind) Sterling, Sturridge, Lambert and now Remy? "At Roma he was with (Francesco) Totti, (Dani) Osvaldo, (Erik) Lamela and Bojan (Krkic). He has no fear of playing alongside anyone, and for me he can play a part within any top club.” one in the crowd
  • Score: -14

8:13am Tue 22 Jul 14

London_St says...

What worries me a bit is that we need a couple of central defenders regardless of whether Lovren leaves or not. Last season whenever Lovren was out we looked very shaky with Jos there. I think we need to be signing the likes of Vlarr, Caulker etc. even if Lovren ended up staying!
What worries me a bit is that we need a couple of central defenders regardless of whether Lovren leaves or not. Last season whenever Lovren was out we looked very shaky with Jos there. I think we need to be signing the likes of Vlarr, Caulker etc. even if Lovren ended up staying! London_St
  • Score: 7

8:19am Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

So diverpooh pay what we want or he stays, simple.
"but still there is no bid in the last week from Liverpool, and normally he will continue.”
Meet the price or he will continue to be a saint.
Ronnie likes to work with players who are happy to be here and doesn't like to work with those who aren't, didn't say he wouldn't work with them. If diverpooh don't meet the price he will probably stay until Jan and then be off.

I notice the same people criticising the board for 'accepting' the £16mill bid over the weekend, which now has been shown to be media dog pooh, are now criticising the board for not accepting it! 'Well done les we will have to accept a lower bid from them on the last day of the window'. No we don't if they come in with a stupidly low bid they get told them same as before, meet the effing price or no deal!
I know some are on a wind up, cue the many thumbs down (so obvious), and some are just looking for someone to blame, but you complain that hes being sold, then complain that hes not. You complain the price is too low then complain we didn't take a lower bid, which never happend! And every time you moan its that its not been done how you would do it. you continually moan about les reed but he isn't in his job to do what you want and make you happy FFS, hes in his job to get the best for Southampton FC! (Cue the oh so boring I'm les reed carp, WUMs are so predictable!)
Why is it you are also blaming him and criticising him for things that haven't, and might not ever happen?
Not surprised that certain WUMs haven't mentioned we played and won last night, but then they don't like good happy stories!
So diverpooh pay what we want or he stays, simple. "but still there is no bid in the last week from Liverpool, and normally he will continue.” Meet the price or he will continue to be a saint. Ronnie likes to work with players who are happy to be here and doesn't like to work with those who aren't, didn't say he wouldn't work with them. If diverpooh don't meet the price he will probably stay until Jan and then be off. I notice the same people criticising the board for 'accepting' the £16mill bid over the weekend, which now has been shown to be media dog pooh, are now criticising the board for not accepting it! 'Well done les we will have to accept a lower bid from them on the last day of the window'. No we don't if they come in with a stupidly low bid they get told them same as before, meet the effing price or no deal! I know some are on a wind up, cue the many thumbs down (so obvious), and some are just looking for someone to blame, but you complain that hes being sold, then complain that hes not. You complain the price is too low then complain we didn't take a lower bid, which never happend! And every time you moan its that its not been done how you would do it. you continually moan about les reed but he isn't in his job to do what you want and make you happy FFS, hes in his job to get the best for Southampton FC! (Cue the oh so boring I'm les reed carp, WUMs are so predictable!) Why is it you are also blaming him and criticising him for things that haven't, and might not ever happen? Not surprised that certain WUMs haven't mentioned we played and won last night, but then they don't like good happy stories! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 12

8:23am Tue 22 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

Why do smaller clubs get lesser bids for their players?
If Suarez was a saints player then not in a million years would we have got 75 million. Same with Bale too.
Why?
Board wait another year and sell some players if you want. Too much this year!
Why do smaller clubs get lesser bids for their players? If Suarez was a saints player then not in a million years would we have got 75 million. Same with Bale too. Why? Board wait another year and sell some players if you want. Too much this year! Thankyounicola
  • Score: 7

8:29am Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Jonny7oma wrote:
What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.
I would take clever over strong.
He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.
[quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.[/p][/quote]I would take clever over strong. He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -17

8:46am Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Lori Hoffer wrote:
my boyfriends cousin just got Lexus RC 350 Coupe by working part-time off of a pc... you could try this out

x.co/56Zwl
How come everyone you know working part off of a pc only buy cars?
[quote][p][bold]Lori Hoffer[/bold] wrote: my boyfriends cousin just got Lexus RC 350 Coupe by working part-time off of a pc... you could try this out x.co/56Zwl[/p][/quote]How come everyone you know working part off of a pc only buy cars? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

8:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Or Sholing.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.[/p][/quote]Or Sholing. george chivers
  • Score: 3

8:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Or Sholing.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.[/p][/quote]Or Sholing. george chivers
  • Score: 3

8:49am Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.
I would take clever over strong.
He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.
If you don't fill all the vacant positions before the end of the tranfer window can Ronald Koeman, double-up as a player / manager ?
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.[/p][/quote]I would take clever over strong. He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.[/p][/quote]If you don't fill all the vacant positions before the end of the tranfer window can Ronald Koeman, double-up as a player / manager ? one in the crowd
  • Score: -3

8:53am Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Hobson82 wrote:
olddellsaint wrote:
It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s
The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.
Perfect Post. That's the way it is. Money rules and we don't have anywhere enough. And probably never will.
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]olddellsaint[/bold] wrote: It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s[/p][/quote]The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.[/p][/quote]Perfect Post. That's the way it is. Money rules and we don't have anywhere enough. And probably never will. george chivers
  • Score: 8

8:57am Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.
I would take clever over strong.
He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.
What do you grow in your sheds Sammy?
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.[/p][/quote]I would take clever over strong. He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.[/p][/quote]What do you grow in your sheds Sammy? george chivers
  • Score: 8

8:59am Tue 22 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

one in the crowd wrote:
jls217 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.
Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .
It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.
I do find the stripes a little bit dazzling on the eyes , is this some sort of secret weapon that Saint's can legitimately use on the football pitch to secure world domination.
Says the numpty with the yellow streak down his back.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: It's all guesswork. We know Lovren wants out and Koeman isn't stupid. Based on the fees secured for other players already we'd be nuts to let Lovren go for less than £20m. In fact he turned our defence round last year and had he played for Liverpool instead of one of their poor defence they'd probably have shipped a few less goals and maybe won a title. What value do you put on that? I'll be gutted when Lovren goes, but it seems inevitable. We need to get the scout who identified him to find us a couple of other gems before the season starts. Players that'll be happy to wear the shirt.[/p][/quote]Would you be happy to wear a striped shirt ? I personally find it a little harsh on the eye's .[/p][/quote]It might clash a little with your broken nose and black eye.[/p][/quote]I do find the stripes a little bit dazzling on the eyes , is this some sort of secret weapon that Saint's can legitimately use on the football pitch to secure world domination.[/p][/quote]Says the numpty with the yellow streak down his back. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 6

9:02am Tue 22 Jul 14

killared says...

What make me laugh with this story is that Lovren was very average for Lyon then move to Saints and he had one good season in the EPL and now Lovren must believe he's like Maldini,Hierro, Desailly I mean a god in defence ! Force him to stay and let him rot with the under 15 see how he like that .
What make me laugh with this story is that Lovren was very average for Lyon then move to Saints and he had one good season in the EPL and now Lovren must believe he's like Maldini,Hierro, Desailly I mean a god in defence ! Force him to stay and let him rot with the under 15 see how he like that . killared
  • Score: 7

9:07am Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -6

9:08am Tue 22 Jul 14

Poole Tom says...

Like many on here I`ve found this summer the most disappointing in approximately 48 years as a Saints fan. Reading every day that yet another of our star players is leaving us to go to pastures new is like finding out that your Mrs does`nt love you after all even though you were sure that she did. Sadly it`s convinced me that we just have to accept that realistically the best we can ever hope for is a good cup run and an occasional highlight when we turn over one of the big boys in the league, as we`ve regularly managed to do over the years. Anything more is probably delusional. Shame. However on a more optimistic note that is no different to the situation when I first started watching the club in the 60`s, and it has`nt stopped me from thoroughly enjoying being a Saints supporter for all those years so I`m not going to let it stop from doing so moving forward. COYR.
Like many on here I`ve found this summer the most disappointing in approximately 48 years as a Saints fan. Reading every day that yet another of our star players is leaving us to go to pastures new is like finding out that your Mrs does`nt love you after all even though you were sure that she did. Sadly it`s convinced me that we just have to accept that realistically the best we can ever hope for is a good cup run and an occasional highlight when we turn over one of the big boys in the league, as we`ve regularly managed to do over the years. Anything more is probably delusional. Shame. However on a more optimistic note that is no different to the situation when I first started watching the club in the 60`s, and it has`nt stopped me from thoroughly enjoying being a Saints supporter for all those years so I`m not going to let it stop from doing so moving forward. COYR. Poole Tom
  • Score: 18

9:19am Tue 22 Jul 14

reedhunter1 says...

Zenman wrote:
As usual the press twist what has been said to suit their headline. Bit like people dancing with snakes because it talks about it in some obscure biblical passage. So what are the facts?
1) Lovren wants away
2) Koeman wants him to stay
3) No bids have been made in the last week
Conclusion is that papers are short of anything new so are overemphasising any small snippet to make a headling!
No not the echo twisting stuff-I don't believe it!!
[quote][p][bold]Zenman[/bold] wrote: As usual the press twist what has been said to suit their headline. Bit like people dancing with snakes because it talks about it in some obscure biblical passage. So what are the facts? 1) Lovren wants away 2) Koeman wants him to stay 3) No bids have been made in the last week Conclusion is that papers are short of anything new so are overemphasising any small snippet to make a headling![/p][/quote]No not the echo twisting stuff-I don't believe it!! reedhunter1
  • Score: 0

9:19am Tue 22 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

At last a comment from the club rather than some hack from a tabloid who only wants to print stories (true or false) so he can say " you read it here first"
At last a comment from the club rather than some hack from a tabloid who only wants to print stories (true or false) so he can say " you read it here first" bbb001
  • Score: 3

9:34am Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Hobson82 wrote:
olddellsaint wrote:
It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s
The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.
The only people who can stop this pillage are FIFA.

The 25 man squad rule is exploited by the big 6, loopholes are found for their spending v. revenue, but the biggest bugbear is the buying of all poorer clubs players and then sending them out on loan.
If this was stopped we'd have a far more competitive league.

The loaning of players used to be for a month or so just to give the player some game time and get his fitness back, it is now used for the reason Hobson 82 states.

Chelsea had 25 players out on loan last season, not just squad players or youngsters, but multi-million pound players.

Unless it is stopped then these clubs will buy, buy and buy leaving the likes of us picking up the scraps with no real chance of ever challenging the elite.
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]olddellsaint[/bold] wrote: It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s[/p][/quote]The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.[/p][/quote]The only people who can stop this pillage are FIFA. The 25 man squad rule is exploited by the big 6, loopholes are found for their spending v. revenue, but the biggest bugbear is the buying of all poorer clubs players and then sending them out on loan. If this was stopped we'd have a far more competitive league. The loaning of players used to be for a month or so just to give the player some game time and get his fitness back, it is now used for the reason Hobson 82 states. Chelsea had 25 players out on loan last season, not just squad players or youngsters, but multi-million pound players. Unless it is stopped then these clubs will buy, buy and buy leaving the likes of us picking up the scraps with no real chance of ever challenging the elite. costa gaz
  • Score: 21

9:34am Tue 22 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

milton road wrote:
Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction.
The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit.
Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side.
As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price.
Agree with what you say but for the money RK is on he could have found the time to watch every game we played last season in order to assess the players he has inherited. That way he would have immedately seen what a great and important player Jack Cork is and got his contract sorted out. We are currently in danger of losing him for a knock down price and that would be sheer incompetence by the board as he has to be worth £8-£10mill at a minimum. I'm afraid RK's statement about asessing the players simply doesn't wash in this case. He's been one of our stand out players for a long time now.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction. The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit. Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side. As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say but for the money RK is on he could have found the time to watch every game we played last season in order to assess the players he has inherited. That way he would have immedately seen what a great and important player Jack Cork is and got his contract sorted out. We are currently in danger of losing him for a knock down price and that would be sheer incompetence by the board as he has to be worth £8-£10mill at a minimum. I'm afraid RK's statement about asessing the players simply doesn't wash in this case. He's been one of our stand out players for a long time now. Clever Dick
  • Score: -3

9:39am Tue 22 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

9:40am Tue 22 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote: Didn't they just offer 16m?
They were supposed to have offered 18m (or 20m according to Lovren) a few weeks ago, now they seem to have offered 16m. Makes you wonder if the press really know any more than us.
Makes me wonder if Lovren knows less than he thinks he does. Maybe he should be giving serious thought to sacking his agent. I reckon he has made him look like a prize plum by playing "you'll never walk alone" on repeat while he sleeps
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Didn't they just offer 16m?[/p][/quote]They were supposed to have offered 18m (or 20m according to Lovren) a few weeks ago, now they seem to have offered 16m. Makes you wonder if the press really know any more than us.[/p][/quote]Makes me wonder if Lovren knows less than he thinks he does. Maybe he should be giving serious thought to sacking his agent. I reckon he has made him look like a prize plum by playing "you'll never walk alone" on repeat while he sleeps Jesus_02
  • Score: 6

9:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Lovren was not seen this morning going anywhere (or coming back from anywhere) at Southampton airport or on the motorway or at the railway station this morning. He hasn't tweeted anything and there's been silence from his various mouthpieces in Croatia.

In light of absolutely nothing happening or being said or even being said that it has been said, it's obvious that something is going on.
Lovren was not seen this morning going anywhere (or coming back from anywhere) at Southampton airport or on the motorway or at the railway station this morning. He hasn't tweeted anything and there's been silence from his various mouthpieces in Croatia. In light of absolutely nothing happening or being said or even being said that it has been said, it's obvious that something is going on. Confucious
  • Score: 7

9:52am Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.
Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel.
They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides.

I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.[/p][/quote]Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel. They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides. I'd have the lot of em back like a shot. costa gaz
  • Score: 7

9:57am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saint Clements says...

Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years? Saint Clements
  • Score: 10

9:59am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
Good post - but Isn't the price for the training ground now in excess of £30m. :) Not sure how much more though. Some people are suspicious of the way this debt has doubled already
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Good post - but Isn't the price for the training ground now in excess of £30m. :) Not sure how much more though. Some people are suspicious of the way this debt has doubled already Saints n Winners
  • Score: 2

10:14am Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

“He’s a good player, but maybe we need one of them when Lovren left the club, but still there is no bid in the last week from Liverpool, and normally he will continue.”

Sorry Ron, have to disagree. If we are serious about progressing (and thus serious about convincing our best players that we are ambitious) we need Vlaar ALONGSIDE Lovren, not as a replacement. Fonte is good, but he's not top six quality. Hoover also needs to be replaced if we have serious aspirations of strength in depth.

Unfortunately Ron won't get the chance to see this until he's seen them first hand in the Premier League.

Also - why do we seem to feel we need to wait around before bidding for players? It is massively naive.

Even if Lovren stays we need more quality in defence and, frankly, as it seems 99% certain to everyone that he will go (because Ron doesn't want players who aren't happy), we should proactively improve our squad defensively using the huge amount of money we already have in the bank. At the very least this will strengthen our hand in holding out for a better price.

We can't sit around making tentative bids for Caulker and suggesting maybe we'd like someone if our circumstances change - we've been sat on the fence since the end of last season and it is a terrible, naive policy.

Why should anyone want to stay or sign for a club that doesn't seem to know whether it wants to progress or take the money and doesn't seem to want to show players that we value them or really want them?

We're still acting like a club with a split personality and Ron's statement last night just continued that confused stance - we want to keep all our players but we might sell them if we get reasonable bids. What sort of message is that?
“He’s a good player, but maybe we need one of them when Lovren left the club, but still there is no bid in the last week from Liverpool, and normally he will continue.” Sorry Ron, have to disagree. If we are serious about progressing (and thus serious about convincing our best players that we are ambitious) we need Vlaar ALONGSIDE Lovren, not as a replacement. Fonte is good, but he's not top six quality. Hoover also needs to be replaced if we have serious aspirations of strength in depth. Unfortunately Ron won't get the chance to see this until he's seen them first hand in the Premier League. Also - why do we seem to feel we need to wait around before bidding for players? It is massively naive. Even if Lovren stays we need more quality in defence and, frankly, as it seems 99% certain to everyone that he will go (because Ron doesn't want players who aren't happy), we should proactively improve our squad defensively using the huge amount of money we already have in the bank. At the very least this will strengthen our hand in holding out for a better price. We can't sit around making tentative bids for Caulker and suggesting maybe we'd like someone if our circumstances change - we've been sat on the fence since the end of last season and it is a terrible, naive policy. Why should anyone want to stay or sign for a club that doesn't seem to know whether it wants to progress or take the money and doesn't seem to want to show players that we value them or really want them? We're still acting like a club with a split personality and Ron's statement last night just continued that confused stance - we want to keep all our players but we might sell them if we get reasonable bids. What sort of message is that? SaintJD
  • Score: 2

10:14am Tue 22 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Haven't heard such straight honest words from a manager since the days of Lawrie Mac.What's worrying though,is it just goes to show how weak the board are,he wouldn't of dared be that open if Cortese was here.Even Poch was scared to speak English in case he put his foot in it.
Still,it's refreshing to hear such honesty from someone representing Saints,and feeling you can believe what he is saying.
Whatever next season may bring,I don't think we need to harbour any doubts about Ron's sincerity,or commitment.
Haven't heard such straight honest words from a manager since the days of Lawrie Mac.What's worrying though,is it just goes to show how weak the board are,he wouldn't of dared be that open if Cortese was here.Even Poch was scared to speak English in case he put his foot in it. Still,it's refreshing to hear such honesty from someone representing Saints,and feeling you can believe what he is saying. Whatever next season may bring,I don't think we need to harbour any doubts about Ron's sincerity,or commitment. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 10

10:15am Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Hi Saint Clements,great post.what will happen now is a few of this sites train spotters will gang up on you.one of them will write a 3000 word press release.then they will have a bit of banter between themselves and you will be called a wum or skate or another poster under a different name.there is one poster who is convinced I give her thumbs down all the time,she has no clue her own "friends" are dissing her.i agree with your view that the present board has sold these players way too soon into the transfer window. Why was shaws deal completed so soon after the window opened? Because United wanted him nice and settled before the new season,we are still looking for his replacement.any club we now approach will laugh their nuts off and triple the price of any player we enquire about.look how fast lambert was out the door and Lallana.no other club had even started and we had sold 3.no there is something else going on here.our senior management team have placed us in an extremely weak bargaining position.what if we had granted the transfer requests on the quiet and brought in their replacements first?
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]Hi Saint Clements,great post.what will happen now is a few of this sites train spotters will gang up on you.one of them will write a 3000 word press release.then they will have a bit of banter between themselves and you will be called a wum or skate or another poster under a different name.there is one poster who is convinced I give her thumbs down all the time,she has no clue her own "friends" are dissing her.i agree with your view that the present board has sold these players way too soon into the transfer window. Why was shaws deal completed so soon after the window opened? Because United wanted him nice and settled before the new season,we are still looking for his replacement.any club we now approach will laugh their nuts off and triple the price of any player we enquire about.look how fast lambert was out the door and Lallana.no other club had even started and we had sold 3.no there is something else going on here.our senior management team have placed us in an extremely weak bargaining position.what if we had granted the transfer requests on the quiet and brought in their replacements first? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -47

10:17am Tue 22 Jul 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

george chivers wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Or Sholing.
Even better George! They wouldn't want him!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.[/p][/quote]Or Sholing.[/p][/quote]Even better George! They wouldn't want him! Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: 2

10:23am Tue 22 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.
I would take clever over strong.
He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.
What do you grow in your sheds Sammy?
Everybody must get stoned George. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: What ever else we might think about the goings on at the club this summer, I think we have got ourselves a manager who is prepared to be strong. He is probably the best thing that's happened at Saints so far this summer. Lets hope his brand of football is as good.[/p][/quote]I would take clever over strong. He is basically begging Liverpool to make a bid. We are in no position to buy or sell players thanks to the way the board have handled this and other transfer situations.[/p][/quote]What do you grow in your sheds Sammy?[/p][/quote]Everybody must get stoned George. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

Redslo says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
I think your arithmetic is a little pessimistic. The new training facility was only 15 million overbudget, not 30. Shaw 30, Lambert 4, AL 20 (after Bournemouth's share which they acknowledged ended up less than the 25%-not 30%-they were owed), and MP himself 2 (we may have gotten something for letting the other coaches move too). This totals at least 56 in. The transfer fees owed from past deals are perfectly normal and will be more than paid for by this years television fees. So worst case there is still at least 20,000,000 pounds to spend.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I think your arithmetic is a little pessimistic. The new training facility was only 15 million overbudget, not 30. Shaw 30, Lambert 4, AL 20 (after Bournemouth's share which they acknowledged ended up less than the 25%-not 30%-they were owed), and MP himself 2 (we may have gotten something for letting the other coaches move too). This totals at least 56 in. The transfer fees owed from past deals are perfectly normal and will be more than paid for by this years television fees. So worst case there is still at least 20,000,000 pounds to spend. Redslo
  • Score: 1

10:30am Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents. george chivers
  • Score: 8

10:42am Tue 22 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
Well said,shame they don't bring back the Football Combination League.A competitive season for the "reserves", with the incentive of a medal at the end of it,regular games to stay match fit,and be monitored,or brought back to fitness,but also a place to be banished for a while after misdemeanors, or " getting too big for ya boots!".
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]Well said,shame they don't bring back the Football Combination League.A competitive season for the "reserves", with the incentive of a medal at the end of it,regular games to stay match fit,and be monitored,or brought back to fitness,but also a place to be banished for a while after misdemeanors, or " getting too big for ya boots!". Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

10:44am Tue 22 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

costa gaz wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.
Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel.
They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides.

I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.
Of course we would but I guess it’s a bit like a matrimonial split, how many divorcees do you know who have nice things to say about their ex?
I’m looking forward to some new signings to help lift the pre-season gloom. I will fawn over them and shower them with gifts to show my passion and romantic side in our new relationanship ...... but don’t tell my missus.

Vlaar would do nicely for starters and would certainly miff the claret side of Brum.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.[/p][/quote]Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel. They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides. I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.[/p][/quote]Of course we would but I guess it’s a bit like a matrimonial split, how many divorcees do you know who have nice things to say about their ex? I’m looking forward to some new signings to help lift the pre-season gloom. I will fawn over them and shower them with gifts to show my passion and romantic side in our new relationanship ...... but don’t tell my missus. Vlaar would do nicely for starters and would certainly miff the claret side of Brum. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 1

10:51am Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:56am Tue 22 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world. Malcombe
  • Score: 4

10:58am Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.
Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel.
They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides.

I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.
Me too. There is no value or point in pretending that losing our manager and our three best players doesn't matter and that they will fail in their new ventures. Yep, we can be bitter about the way they left, but let's not lose track of reality - it's taken us the best part of 25 years to build a squad and get a manager of that quality - if we are to continue progressing it will be incredibly lucky,

At the end of the day, if Liverpool are sensible enough to use Adam and Rickie properly they will be good buys for them, and Lovren equally so, and if the Spurs players and chairman are sensible enough to have faith in Mo Po they will do excellently as well because he is absolute class and a potential Barcelona manager of the future.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.[/p][/quote]Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel. They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides. I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.[/p][/quote]Me too. There is no value or point in pretending that losing our manager and our three best players doesn't matter and that they will fail in their new ventures. Yep, we can be bitter about the way they left, but let's not lose track of reality - it's taken us the best part of 25 years to build a squad and get a manager of that quality - if we are to continue progressing it will be incredibly lucky, At the end of the day, if Liverpool are sensible enough to use Adam and Rickie properly they will be good buys for them, and Lovren equally so, and if the Spurs players and chairman are sensible enough to have faith in Mo Po they will do excellently as well because he is absolute class and a potential Barcelona manager of the future. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:01am Tue 22 Jul 14

fritzer says...

We would all like to see big bucks for our players to enable us to buy desent replacements, but the down side to that is the bigger the name we bing in the bigger bucks we have to pay them thats how it is and there is nothing us fans can do about it, that's how sad the game has got.
We would all like to see big bucks for our players to enable us to buy desent replacements, but the down side to that is the bigger the name we bing in the bigger bucks we have to pay them thats how it is and there is nothing us fans can do about it, that's how sad the game has got. fritzer
  • Score: 4

11:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Liverpool look to complete the signing for Manquillo. The first new piece of their defensive jigsaw?
Liverpool look to complete the signing for Manquillo. The first new piece of their defensive jigsaw? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

11:09am Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

11:15am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saintjock says...

This is positive. RonKo is a straight guy who will get the best price for players that don't want to stay, and will attract good players by who he is and what he has done. If we get £20m for a CB that is good business and allows us to compete for De Vrij against the big guns- we have RonKo who he's done well under before.

I do think though that Les and RonKo are missing a trick by not offering long contracts to Cork and Fonte - they're complete no-brainers as 1. they'd accept, 2. would give us all a warm feeling and 3. send a clear message to other clubs. Could be done today.

Also offer Spider the captaincy and a long contract, even if it just keeps him for one more year. If we get Europe then you never know he might stay.
This is positive. RonKo is a straight guy who will get the best price for players that don't want to stay, and will attract good players by who he is and what he has done. If we get £20m for a CB that is good business and allows us to compete for De Vrij against the big guns- we have RonKo who he's done well under before. I do think though that Les and RonKo are missing a trick by not offering long contracts to Cork and Fonte - they're complete no-brainers as 1. they'd accept, 2. would give us all a warm feeling and 3. send a clear message to other clubs. Could be done today. Also offer Spider the captaincy and a long contract, even if it just keeps him for one more year. If we get Europe then you never know he might stay. Saintjock
  • Score: -3

11:18am Tue 22 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Alan Pardew and Nigel Adkins put together the majority of the Saints team that finished in 8th place last season. The first game back in the EPL was away to Champions Man City. On that day Nigel Adkins gave a first league appearance to 17-year-old midfielder Jack Ward-Prowse. It was a great game, end to end stuff and although we lost 3-2 pundits were raving over our performance. The team for that opening day 19 Aug 2012 was:-

1. Kelvin Davis
13. Daniel Fox
6. Jose Fonte
2. Nathaniel Clyne
5. Jos Hooiveld
20. Adam Lallana
16. James Ward-Prowse
42. Jason Puncheon
4. Morgan Schneiderlin
21. Guly
9. Jay Rodriguez

Subs

Luke Shaw
7. Rickie Lambert
12. Paulo Gazzaniga
8. Steven Davis
25. Daniel Seaborne
22. Frazer Richardson
11. Billy Sharp

This is the team that finished 8th with 56 points.


31 Boruc
02 Clyne
23 Shaw (Chambers - 80' )
04 Schneiderlin
06 Fonte
05 Lovren
18 Cork (Gallagher - 60' )
12 Wanyama
07 Lambert
08 Davis
20 Lallana (Ward-Prowse - 69' )

Subs


16 Ward-Prowse
21 Do Prado
22 Chambers
25 Gazzaniga
26 Hooiveld
38 Reed
40 Gallagher

Like every club in the EPL the main priority is to get a team together and get past the 40 points mark. With a new manager, backroom staff and new players I would be very happy with a mid table finish and a good cup run this season.
Alan Pardew and Nigel Adkins put together the majority of the Saints team that finished in 8th place last season. The first game back in the EPL was away to Champions Man City. On that day Nigel Adkins gave a first league appearance to 17-year-old midfielder Jack Ward-Prowse. It was a great game, end to end stuff and although we lost 3-2 pundits were raving over our performance. The team for that opening day 19 Aug 2012 was:- 1. Kelvin Davis 13. Daniel Fox 6. Jose Fonte 2. Nathaniel Clyne 5. Jos Hooiveld 20. Adam Lallana 16. James Ward-Prowse 42. Jason Puncheon 4. Morgan Schneiderlin 21. Guly 9. Jay Rodriguez Subs Luke Shaw 7. Rickie Lambert 12. Paulo Gazzaniga 8. Steven Davis 25. Daniel Seaborne 22. Frazer Richardson 11. Billy Sharp This is the team that finished 8th with 56 points. 31 Boruc 02 Clyne 23 Shaw (Chambers - 80' ) 04 Schneiderlin 06 Fonte 05 Lovren 18 Cork (Gallagher - 60' ) 12 Wanyama 07 Lambert 08 Davis 20 Lallana (Ward-Prowse - 69' ) Subs 16 Ward-Prowse 21 Do Prado 22 Chambers 25 Gazzaniga 26 Hooiveld 38 Reed 40 Gallagher Like every club in the EPL the main priority is to get a team together and get past the 40 points mark. With a new manager, backroom staff and new players I would be very happy with a mid table finish and a good cup run this season. deepheat
  • Score: 21

11:20am Tue 22 Jul 14

cebu blue says...

george chivers wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Or Sholing.
Wouldn't make pompey's first team.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.[/p][/quote]Or Sholing.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't make pompey's first team. cebu blue
  • Score: -3

11:32am Tue 22 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

cebu blue wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.
Or Sholing.
Wouldn't make pompey's first team.
Because the Skunts couldn't afford him!
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Sell him to a Championship Club! See how he likes that.[/p][/quote]Or Sholing.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't make pompey's first team.[/p][/quote]Because the Skunts couldn't afford him! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 3

11:40am Tue 22 Jul 14

Mister E says...

Well said Malcombe!
Well said Malcombe! Mister E
  • Score: -5

11:41am Tue 22 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision.
Lovren and Spiderman both want to leave and they will leave. Anyone who thinks you can build a campaign in the premier league with sulking-want-aways being forced to play is an idiot. Lets get real. Spiderman has done well at Saints but if he wants a new challenge then good luck to him. Lovren is just a shallow greedy ar5ehole so good riddance.... He will easily be replaced and we will easily get someone to come in for him at around the £20M mark before the start of the season....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision.[/p][/quote]Lovren and Spiderman both want to leave and they will leave. Anyone who thinks you can build a campaign in the premier league with sulking-want-aways being forced to play is an idiot. Lets get real. Spiderman has done well at Saints but if he wants a new challenge then good luck to him. Lovren is just a shallow greedy ar5ehole so good riddance.... He will easily be replaced and we will easily get someone to come in for him at around the £20M mark before the start of the season.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -5

11:47am Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon one in the crowd
  • Score: 4

11:53am Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Saintjock wrote:
This is positive. RonKo is a straight guy who will get the best price for players that don't want to stay, and will attract good players by who he is and what he has done. If we get £20m for a CB that is good business and allows us to compete for De Vrij against the big guns- we have RonKo who he's done well under before.

I do think though that Les and RonKo are missing a trick by not offering long contracts to Cork and Fonte - they're complete no-brainers as 1. they'd accept, 2. would give us all a warm feeling and 3. send a clear message to other clubs. Could be done today.

Also offer Spider the captaincy and a long contract, even if it just keeps him for one more year. If we get Europe then you never know he might stay.
Imagine you're getting thumbs down for your initial comment on Lovren, but the other part of your post is spot on - agree we should be looking to sign up Cork and Fonte just to at least ensure we don't lose them and add a bit of much needed stability. Will hopefully reassure the younger lads as well.

I'm not a big fan of Fonte as a first team regular - think if we have aspirations then he would be a perfect back up to let's say a Vlaar Lovren first choice pairing - but he's at the very least a good squad player.

Cork is on the other hand what I'd consider a nailed on starter, or should be, and, yes, we should do everything we can to keep hold of Spider and Lovren IMO. My feeling is that unless we keep both of them, both will leave, it's not a one or the other.

Personally I'd rather lose Spider than Lovren as at least we have quality cover in his position.

Is Boruc injured by the way? I'm guessing so.
[quote][p][bold]Saintjock[/bold] wrote: This is positive. RonKo is a straight guy who will get the best price for players that don't want to stay, and will attract good players by who he is and what he has done. If we get £20m for a CB that is good business and allows us to compete for De Vrij against the big guns- we have RonKo who he's done well under before. I do think though that Les and RonKo are missing a trick by not offering long contracts to Cork and Fonte - they're complete no-brainers as 1. they'd accept, 2. would give us all a warm feeling and 3. send a clear message to other clubs. Could be done today. Also offer Spider the captaincy and a long contract, even if it just keeps him for one more year. If we get Europe then you never know he might stay.[/p][/quote]Imagine you're getting thumbs down for your initial comment on Lovren, but the other part of your post is spot on - agree we should be looking to sign up Cork and Fonte just to at least ensure we don't lose them and add a bit of much needed stability. Will hopefully reassure the younger lads as well. I'm not a big fan of Fonte as a first team regular - think if we have aspirations then he would be a perfect back up to let's say a Vlaar Lovren first choice pairing - but he's at the very least a good squad player. Cork is on the other hand what I'd consider a nailed on starter, or should be, and, yes, we should do everything we can to keep hold of Spider and Lovren IMO. My feeling is that unless we keep both of them, both will leave, it's not a one or the other. Personally I'd rather lose Spider than Lovren as at least we have quality cover in his position. Is Boruc injured by the way? I'm guessing so. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

11:56am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Unfortunate that neither have Pompy
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Unfortunate that neither have Pompy Saints n Winners
  • Score: 5

11:57am Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
seed I voted for dejan as player of the season, simple reason is the season before we all knew that we were fine going forwards but lacking defensively. I thought dejan and Big Vic did wonders for our defence last season, the number of clean sheets alone is testament to that.
dejan is a very, very good defender who can score goals and, as we saw at the end of the season, can take a good free kick. basically I really rate dejan as a player. as a person I think he has a very poor track record, doing what he did at lyon and now here show that he has either been badly informed by his agent or a very bad personality trait, probably a mixture of both.
if he does move to diverpooh I will want him to fail, still will think hes good though. I will want him to fail because firstly how hes gone about trying to force a move this summer and secondly hes not English.
I think luke has I in him to be one of the best lb`s in the world and wish he had stayed, I want him to do well for England but don't care what he does at manure. still think he would have been better to stay for at least one more year to help his development, he saw it differently.
lielanna I don't care about. he went about his move in an awful way as well, disrespect the club I support and I will disrespect you. as I pointed out before he isn't the loyal player he made himself out to be and often said he loved the club and didn't want to move when all the others did before, happy to ignore the fact that he tried to force a move before and refused to play in some pre season friendlies.
I wish rickie all the best, yes he asked for the move when he was told about it but you could tell he genuinely loved the club and fans and it was hard for him to leave. nothing but respect for him. I do think he has 1 or 2 seasons left if hes lucky though and struggled to play every game for us at the end of last season, perhaps going to diverpooh and not playing every game will do him good and when needed he will be able to put in the performances he did for us. so happy he got to go to the world cup, and was very emotional for him when he scored that goal against the sweatys!
we are going to miss all of them, some less than others, but all will be missed. they will however be replaced and I see it as my job as a supporter to say these new players will be better for us than those that go, might not always think it, but that's my job as a fan, to support every player who puts the shirt on, and yes that includes hoover and fox/guly last season!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]seed I voted for dejan as player of the season, simple reason is the season before we all knew that we were fine going forwards but lacking defensively. I thought dejan and Big Vic did wonders for our defence last season, the number of clean sheets alone is testament to that. dejan is a very, very good defender who can score goals and, as we saw at the end of the season, can take a good free kick. basically I really rate dejan as a player. as a person I think he has a very poor track record, doing what he did at lyon and now here show that he has either been badly informed by his agent or a very bad personality trait, probably a mixture of both. if he does move to diverpooh I will want him to fail, still will think hes good though. I will want him to fail because firstly how hes gone about trying to force a move this summer and secondly hes not English. I think luke has I in him to be one of the best lb`s in the world and wish he had stayed, I want him to do well for England but don't care what he does at manure. still think he would have been better to stay for at least one more year to help his development, he saw it differently. lielanna I don't care about. he went about his move in an awful way as well, disrespect the club I support and I will disrespect you. as I pointed out before he isn't the loyal player he made himself out to be and often said he loved the club and didn't want to move when all the others did before, happy to ignore the fact that he tried to force a move before and refused to play in some pre season friendlies. I wish rickie all the best, yes he asked for the move when he was told about it but you could tell he genuinely loved the club and fans and it was hard for him to leave. nothing but respect for him. I do think he has 1 or 2 seasons left if hes lucky though and struggled to play every game for us at the end of last season, perhaps going to diverpooh and not playing every game will do him good and when needed he will be able to put in the performances he did for us. so happy he got to go to the world cup, and was very emotional for him when he scored that goal against the sweatys! we are going to miss all of them, some less than others, but all will be missed. they will however be replaced and I see it as my job as a supporter to say these new players will be better for us than those that go, might not always think it, but that's my job as a fan, to support every player who puts the shirt on, and yes that includes hoover and fox/guly last season! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -16

11:57am Tue 22 Jul 14

Saint Clements says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
This is entirely my point.

You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have.

If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]This is entirely my point. You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have. If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move. Saint Clements
  • Score: 8

12:00pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 6

12:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

12:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision.
Lovren and Spiderman both want to leave and they will leave. Anyone who thinks you can build a campaign in the premier league with sulking-want-aways being forced to play is an idiot. Lets get real. Spiderman has done well at Saints but if he wants a new challenge then good luck to him. Lovren is just a shallow greedy ar5ehole so good riddance.... He will easily be replaced and we will easily get someone to come in for him at around the £20M mark before the start of the season....
Quick question: if it's so ridiculously easy to replace Dejan Lovren why did it take us around 15 years to have someone of his quality in central defence? Were we just playing about thinking it would be a laugh to sign average players in that position? Admittedly we've spent a few years in the lower leagues, but you can still count on one hand players of Lovren's class we're had in the middle of our defence since the start of the Premier League era.

Also, how long has it been since the top four teams in the country have been so desperate to sign so many of our players? Does that maybe tell you something? It didn't happen when we had our good year under Strachan, so it tells me that these are pretty rare commodities, not players we can pretend are average or easily replaced.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]Thanks Saint Clements for a well thought out opinion, it sums up how a lot of us feel about the situation, I have mixed emotions about Lovren, I rated him as a defender and his contribution was fine, he helped Jose get his confidence back. He has obviously been "got at", and that is where I see a weakness in his personality, his actions have been unacceptable to most, but understandable to others. I can't make my mind up about using him as a scapegoat and denying him a move, but then you have the Osvaldo situation, how do we handle that? Now the situation is being muddied by conflicting reports about the sums involve for Dejan, the truth is out there somewhere, but we will be the last to know. So what to do, make a stand and have a disruptive player around the dressing room, hoping that he will see the light and reform, or get rid and sell for top dollar? I don't know, just glad I haven't got to make the decision.[/p][/quote]Lovren and Spiderman both want to leave and they will leave. Anyone who thinks you can build a campaign in the premier league with sulking-want-aways being forced to play is an idiot. Lets get real. Spiderman has done well at Saints but if he wants a new challenge then good luck to him. Lovren is just a shallow greedy ar5ehole so good riddance.... He will easily be replaced and we will easily get someone to come in for him at around the £20M mark before the start of the season....[/p][/quote]Quick question: if it's so ridiculously easy to replace Dejan Lovren why did it take us around 15 years to have someone of his quality in central defence? Were we just playing about thinking it would be a laugh to sign average players in that position? Admittedly we've spent a few years in the lower leagues, but you can still count on one hand players of Lovren's class we're had in the middle of our defence since the start of the Premier League era. Also, how long has it been since the top four teams in the country have been so desperate to sign so many of our players? Does that maybe tell you something? It didn't happen when we had our good year under Strachan, so it tells me that these are pretty rare commodities, not players we can pretend are average or easily replaced. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

12:14pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

SaintJD wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.
More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times.

ManU 21
Arsenal 20
Liverpool 15
Chelski 14
Newcastle 7
Leeds 6
Tottenham 6.

Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.[/p][/quote]More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times. ManU 21 Arsenal 20 Liverpool 15 Chelski 14 Newcastle 7 Leeds 6 Tottenham 6. Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

12:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page.

A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United. During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world." Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting." At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season.

The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once.

Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.

The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor. He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons.

During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City.


oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here!
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page. A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.[79][80] During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."[81] Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting."[82] At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season. The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. [83] In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. [83] Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once. Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.[84] The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title[85] after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor.[86] He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons. During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City. oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -13

12:19pm Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

SaintJD wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.
I wasn't attacking or belittling Saint's performance I was merely demonstrating that even clubs that have achieved a top 6 placing have disappeared completely from the radar. Although Saint's may have been in the top 6 during the season, it's what position at the end of the season that really matters.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.[/p][/quote]I wasn't attacking or belittling Saint's performance I was merely demonstrating that even clubs that have achieved a top 6 placing have disappeared completely from the radar. Although Saint's may have been in the top 6 during the season, it's what position at the end of the season that really matters. one in the crowd
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page.

A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United. During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world." Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting." At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season.

The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once.

Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.

The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor. He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons.

During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City.


oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here!
Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page. A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.[79][80] During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."[81] Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting."[82] At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season. The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. [83] In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. [83] Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once. Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.[84] The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title[85] after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor.[86] He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons. During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City. oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here![/p][/quote]Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 8

12:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

costa gaz wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
olddellsaint wrote:
It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s
The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.
The only people who can stop this pillage are FIFA.

The 25 man squad rule is exploited by the big 6, loopholes are found for their spending v. revenue, but the biggest bugbear is the buying of all poorer clubs players and then sending them out on loan.
If this was stopped we'd have a far more competitive league.

The loaning of players used to be for a month or so just to give the player some game time and get his fitness back, it is now used for the reason Hobson 82 states.

Chelsea had 25 players out on loan last season, not just squad players or youngsters, but multi-million pound players.

Unless it is stopped then these clubs will buy, buy and buy leaving the likes of us picking up the scraps with no real chance of ever challenging the elite.
Agreed. This has been happening for decades in Scotland to perpetuate the dominance of the Auld Firm, but FIFA have done nothing about it because they either aren't that fussed about what happens there or they are being (shock horror) persuaded one way or another that this is good for the future of football. Looks like the same thing is becoming the norm in England.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]olddellsaint[/bold] wrote: It's about time somebody stood up to these so called top six of the prem league, Mr RK is right, you want him then you have to pay the right price, liverpool and the other five teams are now showing thier true colours, in my opinion these six clubs take the best players from all the other clubs just to mess them up and they themselves stay in the top six, I think I'll need more blood pressure tabs. C.O.Y.R,s[/p][/quote]The top 6 take the best players to stop their so called rivals having them. I'm afriad that's how the footballing world works. Even if we make the Champions League there is no guarantee this will change, look at Athletico Madrid. They has an amazing season now all there stars are leaving.[/p][/quote]The only people who can stop this pillage are FIFA. The 25 man squad rule is exploited by the big 6, loopholes are found for their spending v. revenue, but the biggest bugbear is the buying of all poorer clubs players and then sending them out on loan. If this was stopped we'd have a far more competitive league. The loaning of players used to be for a month or so just to give the player some game time and get his fitness back, it is now used for the reason Hobson 82 states. Chelsea had 25 players out on loan last season, not just squad players or youngsters, but multi-million pound players. Unless it is stopped then these clubs will buy, buy and buy leaving the likes of us picking up the scraps with no real chance of ever challenging the elite.[/p][/quote]Agreed. This has been happening for decades in Scotland to perpetuate the dominance of the Auld Firm, but FIFA have done nothing about it because they either aren't that fussed about what happens there or they are being (shock horror) persuaded one way or another that this is good for the future of football. Looks like the same thing is becoming the norm in England. Beer Monster
  • Score: 7

12:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

There will be NO BID for Spider at current valuation - he needs to heep his head down and WORK TO IMPROVE even further with the Mighty Southampton to become more marketable - he still in only a Squad Player on the International scene.

SELL LOVREN - when we have secure the signature of the Feyenoord Centre Half.

BUY FRASER FORSTER - respect to kelvin for his service.

WE HAVE A TOP EUROPEAN MANAGER - TOP STRIKER - MIDFIELD PLAYER known for his assists ...

THERE is no appetite among Saints Supporters for a STADIUM EXTENSION yet ... all the changes with Players and Manager in and out has captured the capacity of Saints Fans.

DO NOT STAND AND CLAP the Wantaway Players at LFC Away.

We have 3 Friendly Games against LOCAL RIVALS. 1-0 to the SAINTS.

WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH - FIGHT +WIN.
COYR+WS
There will be NO BID for Spider at current valuation - he needs to heep his head down and WORK TO IMPROVE even further with the Mighty Southampton to become more marketable - he still in only a Squad Player on the International scene. SELL LOVREN - when we have secure the signature of the Feyenoord Centre Half. BUY FRASER FORSTER - respect to kelvin for his service. WE HAVE A TOP EUROPEAN MANAGER - TOP STRIKER - MIDFIELD PLAYER known for his assists ... THERE is no appetite among Saints Supporters for a STADIUM EXTENSION yet ... all the changes with Players and Manager in and out has captured the capacity of Saints Fans. DO NOT STAND AND CLAP the Wantaway Players at LFC Away. We have 3 Friendly Games against LOCAL RIVALS. 1-0 to the SAINTS. WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH - FIGHT +WIN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 5

12:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
Good response.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]Good response. george chivers
  • Score: 4

12:34pm Tue 22 Jul 14

elvis says...

costa gaz wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.
Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel.
They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides.

I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.
Interesting comments .... Loovens is a one season wonder (so far) he produced far more last season than so far in his career ,will he be that good again ? In my option yes .... would I keep him ,defiantly ,would I keep him after the way he's behaved ? I'm not sure .... Riki ,Lalana & Shaw were all brilliant for us last season , w I'll anyone of them be regulars for their new clubs next season .... somehow I doubt it . I think that's the point some people are trying to make . Would I have them back as players defiantly and as I've said before I have no problem with Riki or Shaw ,though I'm not sure I'd have Lalana back after the way he's behaved . As for Spider I think he's been brilliant for us ,and so far behaved with class & dignity ....as for Judas he was one dimensional and had no plan b ....he was a great manager for us but he will struggle at Spuds because the expectation is ridiculous ....and no I wouldn't have him back
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Yes agree on this one too. Some players don't need assessing they need securing.[/p][/quote]Seed, this has happened to all our departing personnel. They have all suddenly become one season wonders, one trick ponies, one dimensional coaches with no plan B and bench-warmers for top 6 sides. I'd have the lot of em back like a shot.[/p][/quote]Interesting comments .... Loovens is a one season wonder (so far) he produced far more last season than so far in his career ,will he be that good again ? In my option yes .... would I keep him ,defiantly ,would I keep him after the way he's behaved ? I'm not sure .... Riki ,Lalana & Shaw were all brilliant for us last season , w I'll anyone of them be regulars for their new clubs next season .... somehow I doubt it . I think that's the point some people are trying to make . Would I have them back as players defiantly and as I've said before I have no problem with Riki or Shaw ,though I'm not sure I'd have Lalana back after the way he's behaved . As for Spider I think he's been brilliant for us ,and so far behaved with class & dignity ....as for Judas he was one dimensional and had no plan b ....he was a great manager for us but he will struggle at Spuds because the expectation is ridiculous ....and no I wouldn't have him back elvis
  • Score: -3

12:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

scorpioeyes says...

at this rate,we wont have 11 players to start the season. If we really wanted to compete with the big clubs,we could. The money is there, but the desire isnt. I see a relegation batttle looming.
at this rate,we wont have 11 players to start the season. If we really wanted to compete with the big clubs,we could. The money is there, but the desire isnt. I see a relegation batttle looming. scorpioeyes
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

saint gee says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
well i think your mistaken, if that is the case what happened to all the money we received for finishing 8th last season, were talking in excess of 70 million.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]well i think your mistaken, if that is the case what happened to all the money we received for finishing 8th last season, were talking in excess of 70 million. saint gee
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Saint Clements wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
This is entirely my point.

You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have.

If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.
But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club?

My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs.

If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet.

I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow.

COYR STID
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]This is entirely my point. You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have. If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.[/p][/quote]But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club? My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs. If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet. I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

scorpioeyes wrote:
at this rate,we wont have 11 players to start the season. If we really wanted to compete with the big clubs,we could. The money is there, but the desire isnt. I see a relegation batttle looming.
We have been able to field 3 complete teams of eleven recently, we have plenty of players, I admit a number are not Premier class and some are very young and green, but to say we won't have 11 players is well wide of the mark. There is money to spend if we believe what we read, the problem is in not wasting it on knee jerk purchases, I suggest it is taking time because of the lack of players that we need that are within a reasonable value for money parameter plus we want players that wish to play for us, we have enough of money grabbing prima donnas with no loyalty to anything bar their wallets.
[quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: at this rate,we wont have 11 players to start the season. If we really wanted to compete with the big clubs,we could. The money is there, but the desire isnt. I see a relegation batttle looming.[/p][/quote]We have been able to field 3 complete teams of eleven recently, we have plenty of players, I admit a number are not Premier class and some are very young and green, but to say we won't have 11 players is well wide of the mark. There is money to spend if we believe what we read, the problem is in not wasting it on knee jerk purchases, I suggest it is taking time because of the lack of players that we need that are within a reasonable value for money parameter plus we want players that wish to play for us, we have enough of money grabbing prima donnas with no loyalty to anything bar their wallets. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

1:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
This is entirely my point.

You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have.

If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.
But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club?

My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs.

If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet.

I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow.

COYR STID
I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]This is entirely my point. You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have. If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.[/p][/quote]But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club? My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs. If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet. I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow. COYR STID[/p][/quote]I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

1:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

1:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.
More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times.

ManU 21
Arsenal 20
Liverpool 15
Chelski 14
Newcastle 7
Leeds 6
Tottenham 6.

Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes
Newcastle are perhaps the surprise name in that list, but with the emergence of Man City I think they are unlikely to hit those heights regularly again, though they do have a huge fan base and income from fanatical fans in terms of shirt sales etc.

And the only other name that really stands out is Leeds - who have of course paid dearly for their efforts to spend above their means.

I think that says a lot.

Thanks one in the crowd by the way - your post has generated a good debate, which is what this site is all about after all.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.[/p][/quote]More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times. ManU 21 Arsenal 20 Liverpool 15 Chelski 14 Newcastle 7 Leeds 6 Tottenham 6. Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes[/p][/quote]Newcastle are perhaps the surprise name in that list, but with the emergence of Man City I think they are unlikely to hit those heights regularly again, though they do have a huge fan base and income from fanatical fans in terms of shirt sales etc. And the only other name that really stands out is Leeds - who have of course paid dearly for their efforts to spend above their means. I think that says a lot. Thanks one in the crowd by the way - your post has generated a good debate, which is what this site is all about after all. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
This is entirely my point.

You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have.

If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.
But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club?

My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs.

If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet.

I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow.

COYR STID
I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club.
And I'm not sure it's accurate anyway - by the looks of it the Glazers have milked more money out of Man Utd than anyone could hope to make out of a club of our size. You can look at the debt but that doesn't tell the story by any means because when you are a club of their size debt bizarrely doesn't mean you aren't profitable or making people money. The Glazers have just won a sponsorship deal worth practically the entire cost of the club, which isn't bad.

No, I'd have thought that a business woman like Katharina would be well aware that investing in a club of our size is not the easiest way for her to make money or the safest bet or the way to avoid a whole load of abuse and hassle.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]This is entirely my point. You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have. If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.[/p][/quote]But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club? My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs. If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet. I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow. COYR STID[/p][/quote]I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club.[/p][/quote]And I'm not sure it's accurate anyway - by the looks of it the Glazers have milked more money out of Man Utd than anyone could hope to make out of a club of our size. You can look at the debt but that doesn't tell the story by any means because when you are a club of their size debt bizarrely doesn't mean you aren't profitable or making people money. The Glazers have just won a sponsorship deal worth practically the entire cost of the club, which isn't bad. No, I'd have thought that a business woman like Katharina would be well aware that investing in a club of our size is not the easiest way for her to make money or the safest bet or the way to avoid a whole load of abuse and hassle. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

1:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page.

A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United. During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world." Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting." At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season.

The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once.

Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.

The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor. He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons.

During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City.


oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here!
Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance.
I wouldn't bother reading it once, let alone twice.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page. A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.[79][80] During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."[81] Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting."[82] At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season. The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. [83] In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. [83] Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once. Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.[84] The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title[85] after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor.[86] He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons. During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City. oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here![/p][/quote]Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bother reading it once, let alone twice. redandy10
  • Score: 15

1:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page.

A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United. During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world." Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting." At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season.

The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once.

Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.

The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor. He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons.

During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City.


oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here!
Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance.
oh dear nobrains because of your stalking of me without reading or failing to comprehend what ive posted you have just shown that you are a complete and utter WUM with no business being on a saints or even football forum.
`breathtaking arrogance`? well if you bother to check what I just posted was from Wikipedia! just cut and pasted it straight from there. apart from an intro to explain and an end note to further explain. so I take it that Wikipedia are the ones with breathtaking arrogance? your wumming is becoming rather too predictable as is your stupidity!
you see what I did with that post was to debate a fact that someone else posted, and I used evidence to back up what my opinion is. debate not just puerile and juvenile insults and abuse!
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]if your really confused about the big four/six clubs, which it looks like you are, and as your a huge fan of cutting and pasting, why don't you take a look at this, taken from wiki`s prem league page. A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.[79][80] During this decade, and particularly from 2002 to 2009, they dominated the top four spots, which came with UEFA Champions League qualification, taking all top four places in 5 out of 6 seasons from 03-04 to 08-09 inclusive. In May 2008, Kevin Keegan stated that "Big Four" dominance threatened the division, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."[81] Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said in defence: "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting."[82] At the height of their dominance in 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-09. the Big Four formed three of the four UEFA Champions League semi-finalists in each season. The years following 2009 marked a shift in the structure of the "Big Four" with Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City vying for a place in the top four. [83] In the 2009–10 season, Tottenham pipped Manchester City to finish fourth and become the first team to break the top four since Everton in 2005, with both Manchester City and Aston Villa also finishing above Liverpool, formerly a "Big Four" team. In 2010–11, Manchester City finished third, and won the title in 2011–12 season, becoming the first club outside of the "Big Four" to win since 1994–95. That season also saw two of the Big Four (Chelsea and Liverpool) finish outside of the top four places for the first time since 1994-95. [83] Post-Big Four dominance, Arsenal have been the only side not to fall outside of the top four once. Criticism of the gap between an elite group of "super clubs" and the majority of the Premier League has continued, nevertheless, due to their increasing ability to spend more than the other Premier League clubs.[84] The 2013-14 season was remarkable. It saw Liverpool return to the top four in the Premier League and push for the title[85] after a four season absence, whilst also seeing Chelsea and Arsenal maintain their positions from last season. However, the most remarkable part of this season was the fall of Manchester United, 20 times English league champions, from the top four. Before the season began Alex Ferguson retired, with David Moyes appointed as his successor.[86] He lasted only ten months, as United achieved one of their worst ever Premier League seasons. During the season, the three higher placing "Big Four" teams were all seen as genuine title-hopes, alongside eventual winners Manchester City. oh nearly forgot to ask, I take it you have stopped searching for the truth and have actually found it then, is this why you are now just `one in the crowd`. though its obviously not a huge crowd down at nottarf krap because their all on here![/p][/quote]Ignore her one in the crowd she is just menopausal.read her post again and just take in the breathtaking arrogance.[/p][/quote]oh dear nobrains because of your stalking of me without reading or failing to comprehend what ive posted you have just shown that you are a complete and utter WUM with no business being on a saints or even football forum. `breathtaking arrogance`? well if you bother to check what I just posted was from Wikipedia! just cut and pasted it straight from there. apart from an intro to explain and an end note to further explain. so I take it that Wikipedia are the ones with breathtaking arrogance? your wumming is becoming rather too predictable as is your stupidity! you see what I did with that post was to debate a fact that someone else posted, and I used evidence to back up what my opinion is. debate not just puerile and juvenile insults and abuse! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -10

1:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph. redandy10
  • Score: 13

2:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with.

We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them.

Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today.

If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet.

If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him.
Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.
... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game.

Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season.

And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months.

Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf.

Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.
This is entirely my point.

You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have.

If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.
But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club?

My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs.

If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet.

I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow.

COYR STID
I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club.
I think the evidence is there in the sale of Shaw and Lallana and to a lesser extent, the sale of lambert. Gone for big transfer fees to clubs who pay higher wages. The replacements we have bought so far have been cheaper in terms of transfer fees than comparable British players from PL clubs in a similar league position to ourselves or from European clubs in a similar league positions say in Germany, Italy and Spain. The Dutch league comes in behind those leagues in terms of status and cost.

If we say sign Forster from Celtic that will be more evidence to support my argument. Sell dear and buy cheap, lower wages keep the cost base stable, rebuild the team over two seasons to a stable mid table position, extract hat it owes you in loans, establish a management team. Sell the club at a thumping great profit and get out of the football business. IF she does that I wouldn't blame her. Why continue in a business where your luck will eventually run out and will cost you money when you have a decent exit strategy. What's wrong with that if you are not passionate about football but you are passionate about profit.

It's not what I want and it's not what you want. But we are passionate about football. I don't believe our owner is.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]I think you make some very good points but there are some things I disagree with. We don't really have a reserve team anymore to banish players to who don't have the right attitude. And what happens if he does what he did at Lyon when they wouldn't transfer him to Barcelona. He sulked, lost form and was eventually sold to us at a knock down price of £8.5M. Lyon lost out on the big fee they would have got from Barcelona and were stuck with a player who didn't want to play for them. Players can get away with this because they have agents to market them and manipulate them into the best deals. 33 years ago, 20 years ago there were no agents, or very few so the power was with the club. Today the power is with the agent and the player, not the club and certainly not with the fans who are the only honest people in football today. If we keep him he won't play up to his potential, certainly not up to last season's level, and there will be grief and bad publicity all the way through to January when he will hand in a transfer request, by which time his price will have dropped. I agree we won't be able to get an equivalent replacement, but a lesser one who is committed to the club and plays up to his potential and hopefully beyond it, for a while, is better than a bright star who plays like a fizzled out comet. If we keep him we will pay the price, rather than the club who buys him. Today good players are guns for hire and they will move on as it suits them. They have no loyalty the club, the shirt, or the fans. They think only about their bank accounts and their trophy cabinets. Encouraged of course by their agents.[/p][/quote]... and encouraged by clubs that let the players walk all over them because they too can't accept losing money and taking a stance for the good of the game. Until someone does the right thing and stands up this will go on and on and get worse, as evidenced by Suarez, Lallana and others this season. And if we really can't stop players from dishonouring their contracts where exactly does it stop? Because if Lovren is unhappy and forces a move, surely J-Rod will also become more unhappy at the direction the club is heading and step up his escape plan, as will Spider, as will Clyne and many other young players will put the wheels in action as well. I've been warning about this for months. Similarly Osvaldo is getting away with murder - it's like a playground because nobody seems to respect the authority of the club. If your leader is indecisive and shows weakness you take advantage and that's just what's happening to Les and Ralf. Until we start signing replacements that the remaining players will think 'wow' about, ie, obviously ambitious, EPL experienced or established, mature Internationals in their prime, we won't stop the exodus.[/p][/quote]This is entirely my point. You see, my argument is not entirely based on Lovren himself - more the message it sends to 'bigger' clubs and any future stars we may have. If next season were the last one there ever was going to be, then sure, flog him for as much as we can get. But it isn't going to be. And to my mind that's why it'll be worth far more than £20m over the coming five-or-six seasons for players, agents and other chairmen to know that Southampton FC are a club with pride, honour and - above all - one who will not sell our best players just because they may fancy a move.[/p][/quote]But what is the strategy and business plan of the owner? Can we assume she is interested in football and the paying customers and fans. Us. Or just profit, the cost base and the market price of the club? My assumption is she not interested in football, just the numbers. And until she tells me something different or the CEO does, I will go on thinking that. I don't think the club will stand up to good players if they are only interested in profit. Big successful clubs are not profitable. Medium size clubs like ours can be. Look at the money Mandaric has made out of the lot down the road, Leicester City and Sheffield Wednesday. Bought cheap, added value, sold dear. Saints offers the owner a better chance of profit than any of those clubs. If we are to go forward we need a rich owner who likes football and has a craving for status within the world of football. Not a hard headed, profit focussed business person, who is driven by the P&L and the balance sheet. I think the next owner of SFC, whoever that may be, is more likely to deliver the success we crave than the current one, who is happy to milk the cash cow. COYR STID[/p][/quote]I won't go into it ad nauseam, but naturally as I see no evidence for your accusations, I will continue to disagree with your assessment. If proved correct, I will be the first to tell you that you were right. As for rich owners? There are a number that I wouldn't touch with a disinfected bargepole and I wouldn't want them anywhere near our Club.[/p][/quote]I think the evidence is there in the sale of Shaw and Lallana and to a lesser extent, the sale of lambert. Gone for big transfer fees to clubs who pay higher wages. The replacements we have bought so far have been cheaper in terms of transfer fees than comparable British players from PL clubs in a similar league position to ourselves or from European clubs in a similar league positions say in Germany, Italy and Spain. The Dutch league comes in behind those leagues in terms of status and cost. If we say sign Forster from Celtic that will be more evidence to support my argument. Sell dear and buy cheap, lower wages keep the cost base stable, rebuild the team over two seasons to a stable mid table position, extract hat it owes you in loans, establish a management team. Sell the club at a thumping great profit and get out of the football business. IF she does that I wouldn't blame her. Why continue in a business where your luck will eventually run out and will cost you money when you have a decent exit strategy. What's wrong with that if you are not passionate about football but you are passionate about profit. It's not what I want and it's not what you want. But we are passionate about football. I don't believe our owner is. george chivers
  • Score: 9

2:23pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they?

Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)…

I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they? Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)… I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

2:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Katrina build the stadium build the fan base leave us with a lasting legacy that will outlive previous rise and falls...
Katrina build the stadium build the fan base leave us with a lasting legacy that will outlive previous rise and falls... warrens 76
  • Score: 5

2:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season.

It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs.

Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20.


The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :-

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Chelsea
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wimbledon
Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.
More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times.

ManU 21
Arsenal 20
Liverpool 15
Chelski 14
Newcastle 7
Leeds 6
Tottenham 6.

Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes
Newcastle are perhaps the surprise name in that list, but with the emergence of Man City I think they are unlikely to hit those heights regularly again, though they do have a huge fan base and income from fanatical fans in terms of shirt sales etc.

And the only other name that really stands out is Leeds - who have of course paid dearly for their efforts to spend above their means.

I think that says a lot.

Thanks one in the crowd by the way - your post has generated a good debate, which is what this site is all about after all.
I did this same exercise last week and what it says is clubs in cities the size of Southampton with stadiums the size of Southampton FC don't make it into the top six. The only comparable club is Blackburn Rovers. 110,000 people versus 250,000. They are now in the Championship and have been in decline the death of their home town sponsor, steel magnate, Jack Walker.

As previously stated Leeds sent money they didn't have and nose dived. Although they do have a catchment population of 750,000.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Many posters on this site go on about how the Premier League is dominated by the same 6 clubs, but if you investigate further , a total of 18 different clubs, have at one time or another been in the top 6 places in the Premier League since its inception in 1992-1993 season. It is unfortunate that Southampton has not been successful enough, to be one of these clubs. Initially there were 22 clubs in the Premier League , but in 1995-1996 season this was reduced to 20. The clubs that have been in the top 6 at one time or another are :- Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Chelsea Everton Ipswich Town Leeds United Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Queens Park Rangers Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wimbledon[/p][/quote]Can you do me a list for the last 5 years please? Think it will be slightly different. And can you also do a list only including teams who consistently achieved that feat? Maybe two seasons in a row. Stats can be very misleading if used lazily so just want to check. Also, I imagine this is an end of season list because from memory we've been in the top six several times, particularly last season.[/p][/quote]More interesting could be the list that shows how many sides have finished in the top six - six or more times. ManU 21 Arsenal 20 Liverpool 15 Chelski 14 Newcastle 7 Leeds 6 Tottenham 6. Not even Man City get into this list - who have 5 top six finishes[/p][/quote]Newcastle are perhaps the surprise name in that list, but with the emergence of Man City I think they are unlikely to hit those heights regularly again, though they do have a huge fan base and income from fanatical fans in terms of shirt sales etc. And the only other name that really stands out is Leeds - who have of course paid dearly for their efforts to spend above their means. I think that says a lot. Thanks one in the crowd by the way - your post has generated a good debate, which is what this site is all about after all.[/p][/quote]I did this same exercise last week and what it says is clubs in cities the size of Southampton with stadiums the size of Southampton FC don't make it into the top six. The only comparable club is Blackburn Rovers. 110,000 people versus 250,000. They are now in the Championship and have been in decline the death of their home town sponsor, steel magnate, Jack Walker. As previously stated Leeds sent money they didn't have and nose dived. Although they do have a catchment population of 750,000. george chivers
  • Score: 6

2:44pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Voice of reason, face for radio says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price.
If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him.

Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now.

Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here.

The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week.

I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo.

That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m.

Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more.
Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased.

If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints.

That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements.

The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago.

OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc.

Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy.

I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years.

Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment.

COYR&WS
Good post - but Isn't the price for the training ground now in excess of £30m. :) Not sure how much more though. Some people are suspicious of the way this debt has doubled already
I am no sports scientist, but on the face of it, spending £multi millions (or there abouts) on a training ground seems a tad excessive. Surely all they need is a football pitch (field) and a gym? Mind, have you seen the price of gymn menbership recently?
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So Lovren will go but the game is being played over his price. If Liverhampton offer £20m + now the deal will happen, if not they will try to get the price down by waiting until the last day of the window knowing we will have to accept a lower price to off load him. Either way we need a top CB even if Lovren stayed so why don't we buy one now. Hopefully someone comes in for Osvaldo so we can put an end to the saga, having given him more time off so he doesn't have to return here. The best news is that no bids for Morgan. We must offer him a much improved contract and make him captain, plus sign a couple of top players this week to convince him to stay when he returns this weekend. I fear that Arsenal & Spuds know this and the bid will be in next week. I now understand that there is not much left in the transfer kitty. The £30m for Luke paid off the new training ground and the £20m for Ricky plus Adam (after Bournemouth's 30%) has paid for Tadic & Pelle. There is still the £27m transfer deficit to be paid off (£22m this summer & £5m next) so the sale of Lovren should pay most of this off. Then there is the other debts that Cortese incurred (amount unknown) that need to be cleared possibly by the sale of Osvaldo. That leaves any money for replacing Lovren will have t come from this years income, which is possibly no more than £20m. Therefore it now apparent me me that we may only see 2 or 3 players arrive, one to replace Lovren and one to replace Osvaldo plus one or two bargain buys as we cannot afford any more. Hence the reason the low offer made for Redman was not increased. If the new board explained this to MoPo (& in turn the Players) that there will not be the funds to improve the team, then I can now understand why they have all wanted to move on to get Champions League football and the resultant increase in salary, which is obviously not available at Saints. That explains to me what the current situation is any why we have not seen any more incoming players at the moment. Obviously if Morgan & any others like Chambers are sold then there money would be available for replacements. The GOOD news now understanding this is that Katharina will have cleared all the debts that Cortese built up and places the club in a very financially stable position. Something we all wanted 5 yrs ago. OK our dream of a Champions League push is gone for now, but if we can avoid a relegation fight and get a safe mid-table position to then build again for the following season without all the debts hanging over us. Katharina did say she wanted the club to be financially secure and is clearly not going to bankroll us like Chelsea & Man City etc. Whilst I am disappointed that we have missed the opportunity to build on the best Saints team since the Keegan days, the reallity has set in and my optimism is back and looking forward to the new team that RonKo will have to build on limited funds and from our academy. I now accept that a mid table 10th or 12th playing good quality football would be another good season for Saints, maybe to push on the following couple of years. Thank you for a straight statement Mr Koeman, we now know the situation and can understand why the board have been quiet, with no good news to report at the moment. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Good post - but Isn't the price for the training ground now in excess of £30m. :) Not sure how much more though. Some people are suspicious of the way this debt has doubled already[/p][/quote]I am no sports scientist, but on the face of it, spending £multi millions (or there abouts) on a training ground seems a tad excessive. Surely all they need is a football pitch (field) and a gym? Mind, have you seen the price of gymn menbership recently? Voice of reason, face for radio
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to. Mosschops
  • Score: -8

2:58pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
Very astute.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.[/p][/quote]Very astute. george chivers
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
Very astute.
Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before..

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.[/p][/quote]Very astute.[/p][/quote]Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before.. Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen. warrens 76
  • Score: 7

3:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Seed ..

Spiderman is not TOP NOTCH yet - only by playing for the NUMBER ONE CLUB in the South will he improve further to be a FULL REGULAR INTERNATIONAL in his own right.

There was a very good reply post to one of mine on another thread about LOYALTY.

AS FANS - let's show each other LOYALTY and get the best possible Players in to have a GOOD SEASON AHEAD.

GET an Additional Number One NOW !! - Cover for TOP STRIKER (to add impact and guaranteed Premiership goals) - PACY / STRIKE WINGER to give the Gaffer options B/C/D/E

In reply to a post a few days ago as to why I was calling for an Goal scoring LB - it is because the Main strikers are too heavily marked and ONE STRAGEGY IN THE PREM is to get your CB and LB/RB to get additional goals for the Team ...

IT WORKS - look at Jos last night trying to atone for all those OG's and he can score agaionst Lower League Opposition (due to their marking)

SAINTS FANS ARE MAXED OUT with all the changes in personnel and there is no current appetite or mood within the FAN BASE to get a STADIUM EXTENSION - otherwise there would be a Facebook CAmpaign and floods of letters to the Echo and Chairman etc.

WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - RED ARMY - FIGHT AND WIN.
COYR+WS
Seed .. Spiderman is not TOP NOTCH yet - only by playing for the NUMBER ONE CLUB in the South will he improve further to be a FULL REGULAR INTERNATIONAL in his own right. There was a very good reply post to one of mine on another thread about LOYALTY. AS FANS - let's show each other LOYALTY and get the best possible Players in to have a GOOD SEASON AHEAD. GET an Additional Number One NOW !! - Cover for TOP STRIKER (to add impact and guaranteed Premiership goals) - PACY / STRIKE WINGER to give the Gaffer options B/C/D/E In reply to a post a few days ago as to why I was calling for an Goal scoring LB - it is because the Main strikers are too heavily marked and ONE STRAGEGY IN THE PREM is to get your CB and LB/RB to get additional goals for the Team ... IT WORKS - look at Jos last night trying to atone for all those OG's and he can score agaionst Lower League Opposition (due to their marking) SAINTS FANS ARE MAXED OUT with all the changes in personnel and there is no current appetite or mood within the FAN BASE to get a STADIUM EXTENSION - otherwise there would be a Facebook CAmpaign and floods of letters to the Echo and Chairman etc. WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - RED ARMY - FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -3

3:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table
so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone.
I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did?
so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA.
there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table?
sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone. I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did? so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA. there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -14

4:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

I agree with Chicago Saint that Koeman is being "straight up" .. but I wonder if he is a bit too "straight up" saying that Lovren can go if the price is right .. that absolutely announces that subject to a bigger bid he's yours. We all know that Lovren is going .. but we need to stop this rot from spreading further and give Ron the chance to build a new squad his way. Let us also not forget tyhat the Premier League is a step up for Ron at management level - he has all the right hallmarks and I wish him well, but if he's too "straight up" then he will be messed around throughout the season by greedy players, greedier agents and the sharks that own certain other clubs.

There MUST be a principle established whereby we tell players they are staying if under conttact - like it or not. Otherwise we will always be a club that loses every player that reaches any where near the highest level.

Cortese had that all well looked after with his "code of silence", it wasn't popular but it was effective. He also sent out a message that showed the highest ambition.

I always try to support the board decisions where they are made on sound business grounds, but I am frankly seeing the current ruling elite starting to sound a bit hollow. Actions are not matching words. There is still time to make me change my mind on this.

Yes I know we are buying some new players and we shall see how they turn out. They are not that well known to us so we take press hearsay and YouTube snippets at face value .. but we have a massive accumulated warchest which has only been slightly dipped into . It dosent look like the approach of a Board with Champions League ambitions.

I f we are indeed in a new age of openness then just tell us straight, are we simply looking to be top half of the table or do we really have a strategy to be top four? It goes against my grain somewhat to say this but I think the answer is already clear.

If Koemans new team strides forward and gets us into the Champions league I will of course deny ever having said any of this.

.. and while I'm online.
I like the new shirts, before I even saw them I liked them, you hate them compared to how much I like them.

The yellow second strip is however a bit feeble looking, a bit like a white shirt with "yellow underpants left in the wash" syndrome. However my pleasure at seeing the stripes return for the home kit outweighs this considerably.
I agree with Chicago Saint that Koeman is being "straight up" .. but I wonder if he is a bit too "straight up" saying that Lovren can go if the price is right .. that absolutely announces that subject to a bigger bid he's yours. We all know that Lovren is going .. but we need to stop this rot from spreading further and give Ron the chance to build a new squad his way. Let us also not forget tyhat the Premier League is a step up for Ron at management level - he has all the right hallmarks and I wish him well, but if he's too "straight up" then he will be messed around throughout the season by greedy players, greedier agents and the sharks that own certain other clubs. There MUST be a principle established whereby we tell players they are staying if under conttact - like it or not. Otherwise we will always be a club that loses every player that reaches any where near the highest level. Cortese had that all well looked after with his "code of silence", it wasn't popular but it was effective. He also sent out a message that showed the highest ambition. I always try to support the board decisions where they are made on sound business grounds, but I am frankly seeing the current ruling elite starting to sound a bit hollow. Actions are not matching words. There is still time to make me change my mind on this. Yes I know we are buying some new players and we shall see how they turn out. They are not that well known to us so we take press hearsay and YouTube snippets at face value .. but we have a massive accumulated warchest which has only been slightly dipped into . It dosent look like the approach of a Board with Champions League ambitions. I f we are indeed in a new age of openness then just tell us straight, are we simply looking to be top half of the table or do we really have a strategy to be top four? It goes against my grain somewhat to say this but I think the answer is already clear. If Koemans new team strides forward and gets us into the Champions league I will of course deny ever having said any of this. .. and while I'm online. I like the new shirts, before I even saw them I liked them, you hate them compared to how much I like them. The yellow second strip is however a bit feeble looking, a bit like a white shirt with "yellow underpants left in the wash" syndrome. However my pleasure at seeing the stripes return for the home kit outweighs this considerably. Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

4:16pm Tue 22 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that? right back in the bar
  • Score: 5

4:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table
so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone.
I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did?
so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA.
there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table?
I do hope his sources aren't Adam and or Rickie from a quick aside comment, can't help thinking they've been used to lure other players to the club. They are mates, they probably chat and means Liverpool can distance themselves from any underhand contact.

Basically, this leak is a slight variation on the 'take the offer before the World Cup or we withdraw it' threat - just aiming to put pressure on the club by saying 'that's your lot - take it or leave it'.

I think we can assume though that any fee will be well below £20 million and probably closer to £12-14M with substantial add ons that we wouldn't get our hands on for years. They have the money from Suarez (or a decent chunk of it) - how about paying up-front?

Again I think the board need to appreciate that we are in charge here and man up, not panic.

Liverpool need and want Lovren, he needs us to sell, we don't need to sell him, thus we should be in the driving seat.

Plus, once Spurs start getting desperate for quality signings and join the race the price may well rise anyway.

So, simple - buy a very high quality replacement or central defensive partner, give Lovren time to change his mind when he starts seeing things come together and then reassess, but do so in the last week of the window when we've already bedded in his successor and don't need to rush for a replacement.

We need to get those replacements in place early though - no lack of anticipation like the managerial situation. Spider - no cover needed as we are sorted, but in terms of Jay-Rod, Lovren or anyone else they might consider selling I suggest they strengthen further in those areas before even considering looking at any offers or even picking up the phone. We need another striker and defender already, let alone once we've lost others.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone. I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did? so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA. there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table?[/p][/quote]I do hope his sources aren't Adam and or Rickie from a quick aside comment, can't help thinking they've been used to lure other players to the club. They are mates, they probably chat and means Liverpool can distance themselves from any underhand contact. Basically, this leak is a slight variation on the 'take the offer before the World Cup or we withdraw it' threat - just aiming to put pressure on the club by saying 'that's your lot - take it or leave it'. I think we can assume though that any fee will be well below £20 million and probably closer to £12-14M with substantial add ons that we wouldn't get our hands on for years. They have the money from Suarez (or a decent chunk of it) - how about paying up-front? Again I think the board need to appreciate that we are in charge here and man up, not panic. Liverpool need and want Lovren, he needs us to sell, we don't need to sell him, thus we should be in the driving seat. Plus, once Spurs start getting desperate for quality signings and join the race the price may well rise anyway. So, simple - buy a very high quality replacement or central defensive partner, give Lovren time to change his mind when he starts seeing things come together and then reassess, but do so in the last week of the window when we've already bedded in his successor and don't need to rush for a replacement. We need to get those replacements in place early though - no lack of anticipation like the managerial situation. Spider - no cover needed as we are sorted, but in terms of Jay-Rod, Lovren or anyone else they might consider selling I suggest they strengthen further in those areas before even considering looking at any offers or even picking up the phone. We need another striker and defender already, let alone once we've lost others. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Tue 22 Jul 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
Very astute.
Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before..

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.
If they want to. I don't believe they want to. But the next owner might.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.[/p][/quote]Very astute.[/p][/quote]Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before.. Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.[/p][/quote]If they want to. I don't believe they want to. But the next owner might. george chivers
  • Score: 7

4:31pm Tue 22 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they?

Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)…

I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong.
I totally agree Warrens. The trouble is KL has bought into them, so I can't see either of them sloping off.

We were so close to pulling the dream off, but alas KL wanted more of an input. At least in Ron with have a good manager with some pedigree. His reputation as both a player and manger will be handy in the transfer market. If it wasn't for Les and Ralphy cakes I would be feeling more optimistic. I just hope that in the end the war chest Ron is given is in keeping with the ambition that them upstairs still claim the club still have.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they? Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)… I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Warrens. The trouble is KL has bought into them, so I can't see either of them sloping off. We were so close to pulling the dream off, but alas KL wanted more of an input. At least in Ron with have a good manager with some pedigree. His reputation as both a player and manger will be handy in the transfer market. If it wasn't for Les and Ralphy cakes I would be feeling more optimistic. I just hope that in the end the war chest Ron is given is in keeping with the ambition that them upstairs still claim the club still have. redandy10
  • Score: 4

4:38pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they?

Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)…

I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong.
I totally agree Warrens. The trouble is KL has bought into them, so I can't see either of them sloping off.

We were so close to pulling the dream off, but alas KL wanted more of an input. At least in Ron with have a good manager with some pedigree. His reputation as both a player and manger will be handy in the transfer market. If it wasn't for Les and Ralphy cakes I would be feeling more optimistic. I just hope that in the end the war chest Ron is given is in keeping with the ambition that them upstairs still claim the club still have.
The trouble is redandy that thea y areall baaastards sir, no interest in talking to us..we have to pay whether we like it or not..

Unfunnily enough, or not, Les Reed will come out of this debacle as a failure à la Charlton or a magician, unfortunately nothing at present suggests the latter.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Last para ..spot on i do not believe in the board because they are either lying or clueless, Les Reed has said one thing and done somehing entirely different moreover he said fantastic players from 'all over Europe' were wanting to play for us..christ on a bike were are they? Ronald is here to do a job and will do the best he can with what he has to spend and the image the club is sending (gulp)… I am not happy because at the moment actions are devastating and the words spoken by les Reed and wreck em Ralph as we blog are currently untrue….I want to be proven wrong.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Warrens. The trouble is KL has bought into them, so I can't see either of them sloping off. We were so close to pulling the dream off, but alas KL wanted more of an input. At least in Ron with have a good manager with some pedigree. His reputation as both a player and manger will be handy in the transfer market. If it wasn't for Les and Ralphy cakes I would be feeling more optimistic. I just hope that in the end the war chest Ron is given is in keeping with the ambition that them upstairs still claim the club still have.[/p][/quote]The trouble is redandy that thea y areall baaastards sir, no interest in talking to us..we have to pay whether we like it or not.. Unfunnily enough, or not, Les Reed will come out of this debacle as a failure à la Charlton or a magician, unfortunately nothing at present suggests the latter. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

4:41pm Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table
so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone.
I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did?
so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA.
there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table?
I do hope his sources aren't Adam and or Rickie from a quick aside comment, can't help thinking they've been used to lure other players to the club. They are mates, they probably chat and means Liverpool can distance themselves from any underhand contact.

Basically, this leak is a slight variation on the 'take the offer before the World Cup or we withdraw it' threat - just aiming to put pressure on the club by saying 'that's your lot - take it or leave it'.

I think we can assume though that any fee will be well below £20 million and probably closer to £12-14M with substantial add ons that we wouldn't get our hands on for years. They have the money from Suarez (or a decent chunk of it) - how about paying up-front?

Again I think the board need to appreciate that we are in charge here and man up, not panic.

Liverpool need and want Lovren, he needs us to sell, we don't need to sell him, thus we should be in the driving seat.

Plus, once Spurs start getting desperate for quality signings and join the race the price may well rise anyway.

So, simple - buy a very high quality replacement or central defensive partner, give Lovren time to change his mind when he starts seeing things come together and then reassess, but do so in the last week of the window when we've already bedded in his successor and don't need to rush for a replacement.

We need to get those replacements in place early though - no lack of anticipation like the managerial situation. Spider - no cover needed as we are sorted, but in terms of Jay-Rod, Lovren or anyone else they might consider selling I suggest they strengthen further in those areas before even considering looking at any offers or even picking up the phone. We need another striker and defender already, let alone once we've lost others.
same reporter has just said `conflicting reports over a bid` he said there was no NEW bid but they consider the £20mill earlier bid, which was rejected, as still on the table. so wheres the confliction? Ronnie said no new bid and there hasn't been, great to have an honest manager!
we are in the driving seat, we don't have to sell as we don't need the money, if hes not sold we know he will sulk but if we get another quality CB in then he can sulk on the bench until jan when he will probably go anyway. your right we do need to strengthen up front and at the back. just wondering if Ronnie is having a decent look at sharp and mayuka before deciding if and who we need to get. bbc saying weve had a bid for forster turned down so Ronnie is looking to get a keeper in now and others will follow.
I wouldn't count on spuds raising the bid for dejan, by all accounts they haven't got much money to spend and have just had to do a swap deal with Swansea to get the players they want. I seem to remember they were considering trying a swap deal with saints a while ago, offering andross townsend and cash for j-rod I think. spuds need to sell to raise money but the players pochaliar wants to sell don't want to go. looks like they blew too much money last season trying to get into the champs league. same as diverpooh are doing this year to stay in it!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: sky sports news reporter at the diverpooh training camp in the US has just stated that whilst Ronnie said there is no NEW bid for dejan his sources state that there is a bid of £20mill on the table so a couple of options there, either his sources are wrong or Ronnie is lying to everyone. I doubt Ronnie would come out and tell a complete lie, how would he look if he did? so who are his sources? well if hes at the diverpooh training camp it would be fair to assume that his sources are diverpooh themselves. so are diverpooh lying and just causing mischief again in an attempt to further unsettle the player? most likely option as their behaviour during this window has been outrageous! I hope saints can find proof of illegal activity by diverpooh and report them to the FA. there is of course one more option and that is that Ronne is right and there has been no NEW bid received after the last one was turned down, but diverpooh think that bid is still active. we know that bid was turned down so why would diverpooh still think that bid was on the table?[/p][/quote]I do hope his sources aren't Adam and or Rickie from a quick aside comment, can't help thinking they've been used to lure other players to the club. They are mates, they probably chat and means Liverpool can distance themselves from any underhand contact. Basically, this leak is a slight variation on the 'take the offer before the World Cup or we withdraw it' threat - just aiming to put pressure on the club by saying 'that's your lot - take it or leave it'. I think we can assume though that any fee will be well below £20 million and probably closer to £12-14M with substantial add ons that we wouldn't get our hands on for years. They have the money from Suarez (or a decent chunk of it) - how about paying up-front? Again I think the board need to appreciate that we are in charge here and man up, not panic. Liverpool need and want Lovren, he needs us to sell, we don't need to sell him, thus we should be in the driving seat. Plus, once Spurs start getting desperate for quality signings and join the race the price may well rise anyway. So, simple - buy a very high quality replacement or central defensive partner, give Lovren time to change his mind when he starts seeing things come together and then reassess, but do so in the last week of the window when we've already bedded in his successor and don't need to rush for a replacement. We need to get those replacements in place early though - no lack of anticipation like the managerial situation. Spider - no cover needed as we are sorted, but in terms of Jay-Rod, Lovren or anyone else they might consider selling I suggest they strengthen further in those areas before even considering looking at any offers or even picking up the phone. We need another striker and defender already, let alone once we've lost others.[/p][/quote]same reporter has just said `conflicting reports over a bid` he said there was no NEW bid but they consider the £20mill earlier bid, which was rejected, as still on the table. so wheres the confliction? Ronnie said no new bid and there hasn't been, great to have an honest manager! we are in the driving seat, we don't have to sell as we don't need the money, if hes not sold we know he will sulk but if we get another quality CB in then he can sulk on the bench until jan when he will probably go anyway. your right we do need to strengthen up front and at the back. just wondering if Ronnie is having a decent look at sharp and mayuka before deciding if and who we need to get. bbc saying weve had a bid for forster turned down so Ronnie is looking to get a keeper in now and others will follow. I wouldn't count on spuds raising the bid for dejan, by all accounts they haven't got much money to spend and have just had to do a swap deal with Swansea to get the players they want. I seem to remember they were considering trying a swap deal with saints a while ago, offering andross townsend and cash for j-rod I think. spuds need to sell to raise money but the players pochaliar wants to sell don't want to go. looks like they blew too much money last season trying to get into the champs league. same as diverpooh are doing this year to stay in it! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -7

4:41pm Tue 22 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Lovren IMO will be the biggest loss, but tbh the guy used us as a stepping stone so good riddance. I've heard some fans say he was gaff prone, what rubbish. He had one or two muck ups, in a season where he was otherwise brilliant. But now he's leaving he is Frank Spencer all of a sudden. Thank God we still have Clyne, he has massive potential and I reckon he'll have a big season!!!

The system Ron plays will dictate how effective Jay is. Give the lad balls to run onto and with his speed he'll cause defences problems. If we play too static a style he'll struggle, like he did under Nige. Quick breaks and directs balls is what he feeds on.
Lovren IMO will be the biggest loss, but tbh the guy used us as a stepping stone so good riddance. I've heard some fans say he was gaff prone, what rubbish. He had one or two muck ups, in a season where he was otherwise brilliant. But now he's leaving he is Frank Spencer all of a sudden. Thank God we still have Clyne, he has massive potential and I reckon he'll have a big season!!! The system Ron plays will dictate how effective Jay is. Give the lad balls to run onto and with his speed he'll cause defences problems. If we play too static a style he'll struggle, like he did under Nige. Quick breaks and directs balls is what he feeds on. redandy10
  • Score: 8

5:07pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
Thanks for the clarification, Nothing wrong with that, as a personal opinion, I still disagree though, not because I think it untrue, but because there aren't enough facts to confirm it.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]Thanks for the clarification, Nothing wrong with that, as a personal opinion, I still disagree though, not because I think it untrue, but because there aren't enough facts to confirm it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

5:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that? right back in the bar
  • Score: 5

5:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

5:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
Nope.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]Nope. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -10

5:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
This is a true comment . It takes a long time to build something good ....a short time to ruin it .

It took Mr Liebherr , Cortese , Adkins ,Pochettino (and others) 5 years to turn Southampton into a top 8 club , with top players and some of the best young talent in Europe .

It took the current fools 6 months to throw it all away .

I dont have your faith in Koeman though , another dreadful error by the board in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]This is a true comment . It takes a long time to build something good ....a short time to ruin it . It took Mr Liebherr , Cortese , Adkins ,Pochettino (and others) 5 years to turn Southampton into a top 8 club , with top players and some of the best young talent in Europe . It took the current fools 6 months to throw it all away . I dont have your faith in Koeman though , another dreadful error by the board in my opinion jasons odd
  • Score: 4

5:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
Nope.
I would have thought you of all people would know there is no such word, but here's one: a-r-s-e-h-o-l-e
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]Nope.[/p][/quote]I would have thought you of all people would know there is no such word, but here's one: a-r-s-e-h-o-l-e right back in the bar
  • Score: 9

5:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
Les does seem to be much better at selling than buying! To be fair to him he has got the best prices out of the buying clubs - so far anyway.

Ralph is the one who really concerns me. Whether you loved or hated NC you knew who was in charge, we had a leader who was formidable whereas in Ralph we have a void so deep it makes it appear to outsiders that Les is in charge. People like Osprey say there is no proof, well the proof is there that want to see it, if he was a strong leader it would emanate out of St Mary's and through the city and beyond.

I'm going to give a prediction for everyone to beat me with later. Ralph will go of his own volition before the end of the season saying it wasn't what he expected and he and the job aren't suited. Trouble is by then he will have wrecked five years hard work by scores of people in a few short months.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]Les does seem to be much better at selling than buying! To be fair to him he has got the best prices out of the buying clubs - so far anyway. Ralph is the one who really concerns me. Whether you loved or hated NC you knew who was in charge, we had a leader who was formidable whereas in Ralph we have a void so deep it makes it appear to outsiders that Les is in charge. People like Osprey say there is no proof, well the proof is there that want to see it, if he was a strong leader it would emanate out of St Mary's and through the city and beyond. I'm going to give a prediction for everyone to beat me with later. Ralph will go of his own volition before the end of the season saying it wasn't what he expected and he and the job aren't suited. Trouble is by then he will have wrecked five years hard work by scores of people in a few short months. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

6:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it.
UCKF off kent 141 ffs..
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it.[/p][/quote]UCKF off kent 141 ffs.. warrens 76
  • Score: 7

6:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
Hi Saint Clements,great post.what will happen now is a few of this sites train spotters will gang up on you.one of them will write a 3000 word press release.then they will have a bit of banter between themselves and you will be called a wum or skate or another poster under a different name.there is one poster who is convinced I give her thumbs down all the time,she has no clue her own "friends" are dissing her.i agree with your view that the present board has sold these players way too soon into the transfer window. Why was shaws deal completed so soon after the window opened? Because United wanted him nice and settled before the new season,we are still looking for his replacement.any club we now approach will laugh their nuts off and triple the price of any player we enquire about.look how fast lambert was out the door and Lallana.no other club had even started and we had sold 3.no there is something else going on here.our senior management team have placed us in an extremely weak bargaining position.what if we had granted the transfer requests on the quiet and brought in their replacements first?
My bet is people will engage in discussion with Saint Clements regardless if they agree b
excuse he writes like a grown adult. The reason that everyone thinks you are a c0kk is because you are a c0kk - not because you have a different opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]Hi Saint Clements,great post.what will happen now is a few of this sites train spotters will gang up on you.one of them will write a 3000 word press release.then they will have a bit of banter between themselves and you will be called a wum or skate or another poster under a different name.there is one poster who is convinced I give her thumbs down all the time,she has no clue her own "friends" are dissing her.i agree with your view that the present board has sold these players way too soon into the transfer window. Why was shaws deal completed so soon after the window opened? Because United wanted him nice and settled before the new season,we are still looking for his replacement.any club we now approach will laugh their nuts off and triple the price of any player we enquire about.look how fast lambert was out the door and Lallana.no other club had even started and we had sold 3.no there is something else going on here.our senior management team have placed us in an extremely weak bargaining position.what if we had granted the transfer requests on the quiet and brought in their replacements first?[/p][/quote]My bet is people will engage in discussion with Saint Clements regardless if they agree b excuse he writes like a grown adult. The reason that everyone thinks you are a c0kk is because you are a c0kk - not because you have a different opinion. Mosschops
  • Score: -5

6:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

milton road says...

Seems there is some confusion over Lovren Sky seem to have got it mixed up. Koeman said there are no new bids for Lovren which is right.
Sky have spoken to Liverpool who say they have bid for Lovren 20 mil, which was the sum turned down of course. Now it is play wasit and see whether Saints relent or whether Liverpool come back with a better offer , if not Lovren stays.
Seems there is some confusion over Lovren Sky seem to have got it mixed up. Koeman said there are no new bids for Lovren which is right. Sky have spoken to Liverpool who say they have bid for Lovren 20 mil, which was the sum turned down of course. Now it is play wasit and see whether Saints relent or whether Liverpool come back with a better offer , if not Lovren stays. milton road
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Tue 22 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
I agree. As you said they want to CONTROL the thread, probably to fill a fairly large void in their lives. It's always the same posters involved in spats with other posters, that's NO COINCIDENCE! I mean this is a thread on a local newspaper, why would anyone want to bother controlling it? From a psychological standpoint it's fascinating. God only knows what kind of anger and unhappiness lies beneath. It's a shame though because I know a fair few fans who don't read the thread, let alone join in, because of the behaviour of a few.

And Les Reed should have chosen his words a bit better when he gave that interview in May. But SEASON TICKET sales will make any high ranking club official say the right things!!!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]I agree. As you said they want to CONTROL the thread, probably to fill a fairly large void in their lives. It's always the same posters involved in spats with other posters, that's NO COINCIDENCE! I mean this is a thread on a local newspaper, why would anyone want to bother controlling it? From a psychological standpoint it's fascinating. God only knows what kind of anger and unhappiness lies beneath. It's a shame though because I know a fair few fans who don't read the thread, let alone join in, because of the behaviour of a few. And Les Reed should have chosen his words a bit better when he gave that interview in May. But SEASON TICKET sales will make any high ranking club official say the right things!!! redandy10
  • Score: 8

6:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
I agree. As you said they want to CONTROL the thread, probably to fill a fairly large void in their lives. It's always the same posters involved in spats with other posters, that's NO COINCIDENCE! I mean this is a thread on a local newspaper, why would anyone want to bother controlling it? From a psychological standpoint it's fascinating. God only knows what kind of anger and unhappiness lies beneath. It's a shame though because I know a fair few fans who don't read the thread, let alone join in, because of the behaviour of a few.

And Les Reed should have chosen his words a bit better when he gave that interview in May. But SEASON TICKET sales will make any high ranking club official say the right things!!!
Talking to yourself again? you have been told time and again to maintain the dosage and do not forget to take them ( the medication )...
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]I agree. As you said they want to CONTROL the thread, probably to fill a fairly large void in their lives. It's always the same posters involved in spats with other posters, that's NO COINCIDENCE! I mean this is a thread on a local newspaper, why would anyone want to bother controlling it? From a psychological standpoint it's fascinating. God only knows what kind of anger and unhappiness lies beneath. It's a shame though because I know a fair few fans who don't read the thread, let alone join in, because of the behaviour of a few. And Les Reed should have chosen his words a bit better when he gave that interview in May. But SEASON TICKET sales will make any high ranking club official say the right things!!![/p][/quote]Talking to yourself again? you have been told time and again to maintain the dosage and do not forget to take them ( the medication )... warrens 76
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Hello all,

I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years.

I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love.

I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge.

So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.'

Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave.

Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?
It's a very valid argument but a massive risk. The old fashioned part of me that wants justice would love to see us take a noble stand but you can't blame the board for not wishing to lose £8m. It's a sad state, but it's modern football. If we have to be a stepping stone for mercenaries like Lovren then take a seasons worth of great performances, double your money and do it again. For every Lovren there's a Clyne. Get it right enough times and we gradually grow stronger. Everything depends on who we bring in.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Hello all, I've been a Saints fan for 33 years and an avid viewer of this website for the past couple of years. I'm posting now because of my anger and frustration at the actions of the club I love. I've never understood why fans are happy to get money for one of their best players. WE don't get a penny. The club gets it. And in all my years, I've seldom seen a selling club buy an equitable player - let alone a better one - in replacement for their former charge. So it's beyond me why any Saints fan would welcome anything other than Les et al coming out and saying: 'Sorry, Lovren aint for sale. If he refuses to play, we'll fine him. If his head's not in the game, we'll put him in the reserves until is. He signed a contract with us. And he's going to stay here till its end - no matter how bitter that may be.' Someone posted recently that Lovren's the best Saints defender since Richards. I couldn't agree more. Maybe even better than that. So us giving him up with little-to-no chance of getting an adequate replacement will set a president that will haunt us the entire time this regime is in charge: namely that if you sulk and say 'I don't love the Saints' we'll roll over and let you leave. Surely sucking up the hit on Lovren's transfer fee is a price worth paying to protect us for the coming years?[/p][/quote]It's a very valid argument but a massive risk. The old fashioned part of me that wants justice would love to see us take a noble stand but you can't blame the board for not wishing to lose £8m. It's a sad state, but it's modern football. If we have to be a stepping stone for mercenaries like Lovren then take a seasons worth of great performances, double your money and do it again. For every Lovren there's a Clyne. Get it right enough times and we gradually grow stronger. Everything depends on who we bring in. Mosschops
  • Score: -3

6:55pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!!

And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore.

Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.
Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?
Nope.
I would have thought you of all people would know there is no such word, but here's one: a-r-s-e-h-o-l-e
Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The fact is we have THROWN AWAY years of building the team up to a point where euro qualification was close to becoming a reality. Those who are upset and angry have very right to feel gutted. Any TRUE fan would be. It was like having a winning lottery ticket, only to see it go up in flames!!! And it's beyond me why the sensible ones among you try end enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers. You are best off ignoring them, as well as the pathetic spelling & grammar police. I might have very occasionally scanned a post of theirs, but in the main I have just bypassed them. You only get one life, why would you want to waste it reading pointless GUFF? They have too much time on their hands and they only come on here to annoy or bore. Ron was a really good choice for manager and I believe he'll certainly keep us clear of relegation, and with the right signings get us to a respectable position. Like the majority of fans I don't have any faith in the Les & Ralph.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think we should petition for Les Reed's resignation; he is a fraud, a liar, and utterly clueless and wrecking the football club. About the clique on here... they are full of their own self importance and want the blog for themselves. But the danger in not challenging them is that they drive away people who have something to say (one of them - we all know who he is with the superior attitude and pathetic attempts at intimidation by picking on spelling and grammatical errors). In the end if there were more real 'doers' on here the board would know by now that enough is enough because we would have been out in force protesting and demanding answers. Anyone up for that?[/p][/quote]Nope.[/p][/quote]I would have thought you of all people would know there is no such word, but here's one: a-r-s-e-h-o-l-e[/p][/quote]Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

6:57pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Nope Try Googling it

nope nəʊp/ exclamation exclamation: nope
informal variant of no. "‘Have you seen it?’ ‘Nope.’"
Nope Try Googling it nope nəʊp/ exclamation exclamation: nope informal variant of no. "‘Have you seen it?’ ‘Nope.’" OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

7:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
Very astute.
Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before..

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.
warrens 76 says...

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.

---------

I'm sorry but you have forgotten one vital fact .......

Arguably Southampton's best player ( at least in the last 10 years ) has got to have been Ricky Lambert.

On 10 August 2009, with a total of 155 appearances and 59 goals for Bristol Rovers, Lambert completed a move worth in excess of £1 million to recently relegated League One club Southampton. The striker scored on his debut for The Saints against Northampton Town on 11 August 2009, and went on to become the club's top scorer for that season with 36 in all competitions.

He was not a southerner, he was a scouser and a very, very proud scouser even though he gave all his effort playng for the Saint's.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.[/p][/quote]Very astute.[/p][/quote]Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before.. Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.[/p][/quote]warrens 76 says... Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen. --------- I'm sorry but you have forgotten one vital fact ....... Arguably Southampton's best player ( at least in the last 10 years ) has got to have been Ricky Lambert. On 10 August 2009, with a total of 155 appearances and 59 goals for Bristol Rovers, Lambert completed a move worth in excess of £1 million to recently relegated League One club Southampton. The striker scored on his debut for The Saints against Northampton Town on 11 August 2009, and went on to become the club's top scorer for that season with 36 in all competitions. He was not a southerner, he was a scouser and a very, very proud scouser even though he gave all his effort playng for the Saint's. one in the crowd
  • Score: 10

7:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'.

Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.
Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.
Very astute.
Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before..

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.
warrens 76 says...

Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.

---------

I'm sorry but you have forgotten one vital fact .......

Arguably Southampton's best player ( at least in the last 10 years ) has got to have been Ricky Lambert.

On 10 August 2009, with a total of 155 appearances and 59 goals for Bristol Rovers, Lambert completed a move worth in excess of £1 million to recently relegated League One club Southampton. The striker scored on his debut for The Saints against Northampton Town on 11 August 2009, and went on to become the club's top scorer for that season with 36 in all competitions.

He was not a southerner, he was a scouser and a very, very proud scouser even though he gave all his effort playng for the Saint's.
All very well, Rickie was once an honorary Southerner, but he is just a bit of history now, a great example to follow, but other than that, of no use to us anymore.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I thought Lovren was amazing, an absolute rock in the defence who improved those around him. But apparently he was 'a one season wonder'. Can we just clarify whether Morgan is any good or not? Like this week not next please.[/p][/quote]Seed he is obviously good. To slate him and convince ourselves he was never all that is a coping mechanism. Just like if you get blown out by a hot bird you claim she was an ugly lesbian anyway. Let people have it, why the need to pick holes. Just like your ott pessimism is your way of coping with having your hopes of something amazing about to happen with saints being dashed. For that reason people stuck up for you because they know you are Saints and not like the freak Sammy you were compared to.[/p][/quote]Very astute.[/p][/quote]Too true, terrific player other than the Spurs debacle which in fairness was as much the idiot linesman/refs fault…however unlike Lallana he does not have SFC in his blood, Lovren is copping it for the actions of the turncoats who went before.. Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen.[/p][/quote]warrens 76 says... Which brings me rather neatly to my solution, make us a big provincial fortress like club…we cannot be Mufco or the 4RSE or LFC..we can be Everton, Newcastle etc particularly with our catchment area…pride in the shirt, pride in being a Southerner, proud to be a Saint…our owners CAN make that at least happen. --------- I'm sorry but you have forgotten one vital fact ....... Arguably Southampton's best player ( at least in the last 10 years ) has got to have been Ricky Lambert. On 10 August 2009, with a total of 155 appearances and 59 goals for Bristol Rovers, Lambert completed a move worth in excess of £1 million to recently relegated League One club Southampton. The striker scored on his debut for The Saints against Northampton Town on 11 August 2009, and went on to become the club's top scorer for that season with 36 in all competitions. He was not a southerner, he was a scouser and a very, very proud scouser even though he gave all his effort playng for the Saint's.[/p][/quote]All very well, Rickie was once an honorary Southerner, but he is just a bit of history now, a great example to follow, but other than that, of no use to us anymore. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

7:22pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Stop talking **** Osprey, you and your mates should just leave the site. I see all your comments now have the lowest reader rating on the site. I don't even need to comment anymore because everybody else puts you in your place. I hope we get some decent names in soon, it's needed, realistically we still need: GK, LB, 2 CB, RW, ST. If Jay Rod goes we'll need a new left winger, if Schneiderlin goes i think JWP/Wanyama or JWP/Cork although I'd love a player like Clasie. Also I don't think Forster is the answer to our GK issue, I don't think he's better than Boruc, maybe just as good but not really an improvement. Targett definitely not the answer to LB, we'll live to regret it as he as no first team experience and hasn't even been thought of by previous managers.
Stop talking **** Osprey, you and your mates should just leave the site. I see all your comments now have the lowest reader rating on the site. I don't even need to comment anymore because everybody else puts you in your place. I hope we get some decent names in soon, it's needed, realistically we still need: GK, LB, 2 CB, RW, ST. If Jay Rod goes we'll need a new left winger, if Schneiderlin goes i think JWP/Wanyama or JWP/Cork although I'd love a player like Clasie. Also I don't think Forster is the answer to our GK issue, I don't think he's better than Boruc, maybe just as good but not really an improvement. Targett definitely not the answer to LB, we'll live to regret it as he as no first team experience and hasn't even been thought of by previous managers. Gormzzz
  • Score: -2

7:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

I meant JWP with either of the 2 would still be a good central midfield.
I meant JWP with either of the 2 would still be a good central midfield. Gormzzz
  • Score: -2

7:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

And I know you'll say Forster is there to compete with Boruc and not replace him. If that's the case surely the one who isn't playing will leave at the earliest opportunity anyway, we might as well just sign a back up in that case, would make more sense.
And I know you'll say Forster is there to compete with Boruc and not replace him. If that's the case surely the one who isn't playing will leave at the earliest opportunity anyway, we might as well just sign a back up in that case, would make more sense. Gormzzz
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it.
I think you misunderstand. I feel with Koeman we have someone who is not going to be pushed around in the transfer market. He knows Lovren is valuable.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Ronnie is pleading with Liverpool to make a bid.liverpool will leave until the last minute then offer 12 million and saints will take it.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand. I feel with Koeman we have someone who is not going to be pushed around in the transfer market. He knows Lovren is valuable. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Totally sick of hearing about this now. He obviously doesn't want to stay so get rid. Preferably outside the premiership!
Totally sick of hearing about this now. He obviously doesn't want to stay so get rid. Preferably outside the premiership! Chapperall
  • Score: 4

9:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Gormzzz wrote:
Stop talking **** Osprey, you and your mates should just leave the site. I see all your comments now have the lowest reader rating on the site. I don't even need to comment anymore because everybody else puts you in your place. I hope we get some decent names in soon, it's needed, realistically we still need: GK, LB, 2 CB, RW, ST. If Jay Rod goes we'll need a new left winger, if Schneiderlin goes i think JWP/Wanyama or JWP/Cork although I'd love a player like Clasie. Also I don't think Forster is the answer to our GK issue, I don't think he's better than Boruc, maybe just as good but not really an improvement. Targett definitely not the answer to LB, we'll live to regret it as he as no first team experience and hasn't even been thought of by previous managers.
nob off knobby no nuts.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Stop talking **** Osprey, you and your mates should just leave the site. I see all your comments now have the lowest reader rating on the site. I don't even need to comment anymore because everybody else puts you in your place. I hope we get some decent names in soon, it's needed, realistically we still need: GK, LB, 2 CB, RW, ST. If Jay Rod goes we'll need a new left winger, if Schneiderlin goes i think JWP/Wanyama or JWP/Cork although I'd love a player like Clasie. Also I don't think Forster is the answer to our GK issue, I don't think he's better than Boruc, maybe just as good but not really an improvement. Targett definitely not the answer to LB, we'll live to regret it as he as no first team experience and hasn't even been thought of by previous managers.[/p][/quote]nob off knobby no nuts. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

9:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

milton road wrote:
Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction.
The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit.
Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side.
As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price.
Not sure about your theory on the training ground being 'paid off' in staged instalments to the builder. The builder obviously got paid, it's more about where the money came from! If they didn't have it I.e. Loan, overdraft, delaying the payment of other monies owing (which would be my best guess), then no, it hasn't really been paid for. NC did not go out of the door for no reason at all......
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Um no we still have a big transfer kitty. The training ground was paid off over the last two years monthly as it was being built. Which is normal contract law in construction. The problem that Saints have is they have a totally new board, manager and training staff. So for Koeman he has to see what he has got and the only way that happens is by playing games. There is no point going out spending wads of cash until he has decided his weakest positions and that is not going to happen whilst we play the games that we have so far, Bournemouth and Brighton should clear this up a bit. Yes we think we know the weaknesses, but Koeman and his team have come in blind with even the youth academy staff gone. Koeman is believed to still have around 50 mil, he is also aware that this is the one chance to really build the side. As for Lovren, well if he does not go in this window its in his interests to play and show case himself and there is no way Saints should drop their price.[/p][/quote]Not sure about your theory on the training ground being 'paid off' in staged instalments to the builder. The builder obviously got paid, it's more about where the money came from! If they didn't have it I.e. Loan, overdraft, delaying the payment of other monies owing (which would be my best guess), then no, it hasn't really been paid for. NC did not go out of the door for no reason at all...... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

9:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

north wales saint 2 says...

I don,t understand why everybody is moaning about what is happening at the moment.I believe we have a better manager in place than the one that deserted us.I know this will only be proved by results on the pitch and players leaving at an alarming rate is unsettling but would R K have come here if he did not think he could do a good job?I believe and hope better times are round the corner.Players he signs who know him and are happy to play for him are going to be much better for us than the wantaways.We have to trust in going forward and I think R K would not have come here unless he thought he could gain parity or improve on what we all ready had. One expectant Saints fan.
I don,t understand why everybody is moaning about what is happening at the moment.I believe we have a better manager in place than the one that deserted us.I know this will only be proved by results on the pitch and players leaving at an alarming rate is unsettling but would R K have come here if he did not think he could do a good job?I believe and hope better times are round the corner.Players he signs who know him and are happy to play for him are going to be much better for us than the wantaways.We have to trust in going forward and I think R K would not have come here unless he thought he could gain parity or improve on what we all ready had. One expectant Saints fan. north wales saint 2
  • Score: -2

9:46pm Tue 22 Jul 14

knuckle dragger says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
No we turned down 20 wanting 25 and they haven't been back.les is worried sick and will probably sell for around 12.then we have to go out and replace him. I know why don't we bring his replacement in now and then sell him.no that would be stupid wouldn't it les?
I'd like to be a manager wanting to buy players from your team. You reject £20 million for a player but will accept £12 million. Tell you what, I'll offer you £500 million for Lovren so you will reject it and accept £2.50.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: No we turned down 20 wanting 25 and they haven't been back.les is worried sick and will probably sell for around 12.then we have to go out and replace him. I know why don't we bring his replacement in now and then sell him.no that would be stupid wouldn't it les?[/p][/quote]I'd like to be a manager wanting to buy players from your team. You reject £20 million for a player but will accept £12 million. Tell you what, I'll offer you £500 million for Lovren so you will reject it and accept £2.50. knuckle dragger
  • Score: -4

10:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
I don,t understand why everybody is moaning about what is happening at the moment.I believe we have a better manager in place than the one that deserted us.I know this will only be proved by results on the pitch and players leaving at an alarming rate is unsettling but would R K have come here if he did not think he could do a good job?I believe and hope better times are round the corner.Players he signs who know him and are happy to play for him are going to be much better for us than the wantaways.We have to trust in going forward and I think R K would not have come here unless he thought he could gain parity or improve on what we all ready had. One expectant Saints fan.
Totally agree..Ron Manager will do us proud no matter what the doom mongers are predicting.
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: I don,t understand why everybody is moaning about what is happening at the moment.I believe we have a better manager in place than the one that deserted us.I know this will only be proved by results on the pitch and players leaving at an alarming rate is unsettling but would R K have come here if he did not think he could do a good job?I believe and hope better times are round the corner.Players he signs who know him and are happy to play for him are going to be much better for us than the wantaways.We have to trust in going forward and I think R K would not have come here unless he thought he could gain parity or improve on what we all ready had. One expectant Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Totally agree..Ron Manager will do us proud no matter what the doom mongers are predicting. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

10:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

knuckle dragger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Obviously the little trip to Belgium and Holland didn't persuade Lovren to stay which is a shame. I think our bargaining position has been weakened as we are effectively asking for bids now.

Les, please sell Osvaldo. He's obviously refused to return and this board have 'agreed to an extended leave of absence' as they don't have the stomach (or backbone) for a fight. Take the loss on him and move on. In truth you should have done this a while ago.

It is time to announce another signing to steady the ship. It was widely accepted that we needed a striker, CB and GK before anyone left. If the players keep departing we are going to need a lot of incoming.

Do not confuse bringing the youngsters through like Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino have done with being forced to play them and wrecking them like Poortvliet did.
I don't think our bargaining position has weakened at all, I think Saints are saying put up or shut up to Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Obviously the little trip to Belgium and Holland didn't persuade Lovren to stay which is a shame. I think our bargaining position has been weakened as we are effectively asking for bids now. Les, please sell Osvaldo. He's obviously refused to return and this board have 'agreed to an extended leave of absence' as they don't have the stomach (or backbone) for a fight. Take the loss on him and move on. In truth you should have done this a while ago. It is time to announce another signing to steady the ship. It was widely accepted that we needed a striker, CB and GK before anyone left. If the players keep departing we are going to need a lot of incoming. Do not confuse bringing the youngsters through like Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino have done with being forced to play them and wrecking them like Poortvliet did.[/p][/quote]I don't think our bargaining position has weakened at all, I think Saints are saying put up or shut up to Liverpool. knuckle dragger
  • Score: 2

10:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not. Invidia
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.[/p][/quote]Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

10:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
How do you spell choses then, two o's I suppose, that is really being pedantic?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.[/p][/quote]How do you spell choses then, two o's I suppose, that is really being pedantic? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

10:57pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either.
So don't be so Quick to pick up others for the "problems of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them (either)" another quote "it is really annoying"
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.[/p][/quote]Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either.[/p][/quote]So don't be so Quick to pick up others for the "problems of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them (either)" another quote "it is really annoying" Invidia
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
As an expert, why do you think it is that posters frequently spell lose with two o's? Why do posters type 'then' when they mean 'than', why do posters type 'are' when they mean 'our', why do they type 'of' when they mean 'have'. Why, when I type 'what' it always comes out as 'waht' before I correct it? Why do I type 'than' when I mean to type 'that'? English language is a pain in the butt if you ask me. Not helped with fading grey cells and digits that type when the brain is disengaged.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.[/p][/quote]As an expert, why do you think it is that posters frequently spell lose with two o's? Why do posters type 'then' when they mean 'than', why do posters type 'are' when they mean 'our', why do they type 'of' when they mean 'have'. Why, when I type 'what' it always comes out as 'waht' before I correct it? Why do I type 'than' when I mean to type 'that'? English language is a pain in the butt if you ask me. Not helped with fading grey cells and digits that type when the brain is disengaged. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

11:02pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is.
Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same.
Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board.
A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed.
The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC.

I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.
Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.
Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.
Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?
I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.
You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.
Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either.
So don't be so Quick to pick up others for the "problems of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them (either)" another quote "it is really annoying"
Sorry Sir, wish I could say I will never do it again, but that wouldn't be true.
It is annoying perhaps, but there is no law that says I mustn't do it. It will only annoy you if you let it, ignor it and it won't bother you at all.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Sammy2Sheds why do you insist that Southampton FC employ Numpties? You are very disloyal, why don't you show your loyalty to the Club and give them the benefit of the doubt before posting like a loose Cannon? Les Reed will walk over hot coals to keep the Clubs best Players anyone in his position would but Lovren doesn't want to stay and neither did AL and LS, if you have the Saints Site and saw the photos when the Team were away for the 2 friendlies Lovren had the looks of a drowned Rat a very miserable want away Player. Southampton will put a price on Lovren not the Media and Bookies and all rumours are for once in the Supporters favour, we do not know how much Lovren will sell for and may never know but whatever he may be worth IMO if the Club got £16million its double what they paid for him so I will not complain for that profit because I'm not an expert to judge if he's worth more and perhaps he is. Ronald is now beginning to set out his stall, he doesn't speak perfect English but he speaks volumes more than The Deceitful Liar ever did to the Media, he had David who did not interpret exactly what was spoken, David did an excellent job but it was said as more or less the correct translation. English is Holland's 2nd language but if Ronald hasn't spoken it very much due to where he's worked he knows it will get better and he's admitted he's having English lesson, it appears his words are being noted as he speaks and then printed and to me it's a little amusing, one example Ronald will say 2 times not twice but we know it means the same. Les Reed said in an interview weeks ago that the Club Scouts are always trying to be 1 step ahead in the event of the Clubs needs of wanting to buy the best Players for the Club and whoever they buy if he's unknown to the UK it doesn't necessarily mean the Player will not be able to adapt to the Premiership especially if the Player has played at International level several times (several is more than twice or 2 times from Ronald) If Ronald has Managed a Player and knows he's good he will probably suggest to the Board they should buy the Player, the Board will have a discussing and trust Ronald's judgement and that's probably what happened with Osvaldo, It wasn't Les Reed's mistake it was Potchettino who at the time had the trust of everyone including Les and would of had mine at that time if I was on the Board. A transfer takes time with probably a pile of paperwork that includes work permit, passport then there will be time needed for the transfer of the money and most of us have been there for that to show up in the Bank Account, the time it takes for transfers when a Player is on the radar can be frustrating for many of the Supporters and sometimes appears to be dormant when it all goes silent but once it's set in stone we will all be informed. The Club needs 100% support to allow them to get the best for the Club, I have never doubted the Clubs ambitions, they've smelt it tasted it and want more of it and if the rumours of Potchettino not believing the Club wants to continue the road of ambition and progress is to be believed then there must be Fairies in my Garden because IMO he needed an excuse but the probable truth is he had his plans set months ago and it wasn't to Manage SFC. I have no doubt the Manager, his Staff and the Team will be ready for the first game and maybe a new Player will of been signed 2/3 days before the game but to late to be included in the Squad. I have 100% trust in everyone who works for the Club and they will give 100% effort to all those who Support the best Club in the world.[/p][/quote]Malcolm,management or personalities are not the club. Individuals employed by the club are not the club.my issue is with employees of our club.i believe the present management is incompetent.i have never slagged off player or team performances.the trouble is a lot of supporters on here are fed beans on toast and told its caviar.i believe les reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment.there is no leadership from the top and that is destabilising the whole club.i will always be loyal but I won't blindly follow.[/p][/quote]Sorry Sammy, I am finding it very difficult to read what you are saying, thanks to your inability to punctuate and Capitalise, you aren't ignorant so I guess you are doing it deliberately to annoy, you are succeeding even before I read the post and it isn't helping me take a balanced view, something which I am prepared to do as long as you keep it sensible and refuse the urge to WUM.[/p][/quote]Still trying to convince all of us on here that you have a Masters in English Language? He said that he thinks Les Reed is not up to his job and Ralph was a bad appointment; there is no leadership from the top and that this is destabilising the whole club. Valid comments that resonate with many on here. What's wrong with that?[/p][/quote]I never got better than O level GCE in English, this guy can do it right but choses not to, for some reason.[/p][/quote]You would never get an O level with your bad grammar and especially your spelling e.g. choses............of course it was a computer slip was it not.[/p][/quote]Yes, but that was in 1964 and I was a victim of Mrs Thatchers Incomprehensible Education System. Didn't have the problem of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them either.[/p][/quote]So don't be so Quick to pick up others for the "problems of typing on a twitchy web site which makes letters disappear as you type them (either)" another quote "it is really annoying"[/p][/quote]Sorry Sir, wish I could say I will never do it again, but that wouldn't be true. It is annoying perhaps, but there is no law that says I mustn't do it. It will only annoy you if you let it, ignor it and it won't bother you at all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -10

11:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap?
Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

11:19pm Tue 22 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap?
he will go and good luck to him ,,, he has played his part... we have to move on. I would love him to stay but he is good enough to play in a club that will play champions league and were are not that club.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap?[/p][/quote]he will go and good luck to him ,,, he has played his part... we have to move on. I would love him to stay but he is good enough to play in a club that will play champions league and were are not that club. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -5

11:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Invidia says...

There you go again there is an "e" at the end of ignor it is so frustrating.

You should practice what you preach old son.
There you go again there is an "e" at the end of ignor it is so frustrating. You should practice what you preach old son. Invidia
  • Score: 0

11:34pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
There you go again there is an "e" at the end of ignor it is so frustrating.

You should practice what you preach old son.
Yes. should have spotted that one, the spell checker on the site showed a red wiggly line under it and I couldn't figure out why it was there, my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: There you go again there is an "e" at the end of ignor it is so frustrating. You should practice what you preach old son.[/p][/quote]Yes. should have spotted that one, the spell checker on the site showed a red wiggly line under it and I couldn't figure out why it was there, my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

11:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap?
he will go and good luck to him ,,, he has played his part... we have to move on. I would love him to stay but he is good enough to play in a club that will play champions league and were are not that club.
Thanks, at least you were on thread, I hope you are wrong, but I suspect it will be good for him to move on, I would rather he went to Arsenal than Spuds though.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Enough of the education dross, does anyone think RonKo can persuade Spider to stay? Mixed messages in the Press tonight. Do we want him to stay if he isn't happy. If he goes who will fill the gap?[/p][/quote]he will go and good luck to him ,,, he has played his part... we have to move on. I would love him to stay but he is good enough to play in a club that will play champions league and were are not that club.[/p][/quote]Thanks, at least you were on thread, I hope you are wrong, but I suspect it will be good for him to move on, I would rather he went to Arsenal than Spuds though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

11:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If we were to sign Rojo for £12m as predicted in some rags, what would his wages be like, seems unlikely to me, but it would quieten down those neggies a bit if it happened. Other names being bandied about too VanDijk, De Vrij, excuse me while I fantasize a bit before dropping back to earth, it isn't going to happen is it?
If we were to sign Rojo for £12m as predicted in some rags, what would his wages be like, seems unlikely to me, but it would quieten down those neggies a bit if it happened. Other names being bandied about too VanDijk, De Vrij, excuse me while I fantasize a bit before dropping back to earth, it isn't going to happen is it? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

11:53pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Invidia says...

my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan.

You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice.

It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it?
my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan. You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice. It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it? Invidia
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan.

You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice.

It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it?
On the contrary it's quite educational for me but bleedin' boring for everyone else, any chance you could give me and them a break and get back on thread?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan. You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice. It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it?[/p][/quote]On the contrary it's quite educational for me but bleedin' boring for everyone else, any chance you could give me and them a break and get back on thread? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

12:00am Wed 23 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan.

You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice.

It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it?
By the way shouldn't your sign be Invidious? Seems more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: my bad I forgot to Google it to check it out. I may be old but I am not your son, I am an orphan. You should read the post's. I purposely left the (my) out when I gave you my advice. It is not very nice showing up ones inadequacies is it?[/p][/quote]By the way shouldn't your sign be Invidious? Seems more appropriate. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

12:00am Wed 23 Jul 14

Invidia says...

As I said practice what you preach old son!
As I said practice what you preach old son! Invidia
  • Score: 0

12:03am Wed 23 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Invidia wrote:
As I said practice what you preach old son!
PS. I think this Dejan Lovren saga has been done to death.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I said practice what you preach old son![/p][/quote]PS. I think this Dejan Lovren saga has been done to death. Invidia
  • Score: 0

12:14am Wed 23 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
Invidia wrote:
As I said practice what you preach old son!
PS. I think this Dejan Lovren saga has been done to death.
So do I, but I fear there is much more mileage in it yet.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I said practice what you preach old son![/p][/quote]PS. I think this Dejan Lovren saga has been done to death.[/p][/quote]So do I, but I fear there is much more mileage in it yet. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

12:30am Wed 23 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Why does a lot of our fans believe we are in for Steven Caulker he signed for QPR earlier, he wold have been a good signing but honest Harry has screwed us again.
Why does a lot of our fans believe we are in for Steven Caulker he signed for QPR earlier, he wold have been a good signing but honest Harry has screwed us again. Invidia
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

HAS HE GONE YET?
HAS HE GONE YET? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

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