Crystal Palace linked to £3 million bid for Southampton midfielder Jack Cork

Saints Jack Cork linked to £3 million move

Saints Jack Cork linked to £3 million move

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SAINTS midfielder Jack Cork has been linked with a £3m move to Crystal Palace.

According to reports, the 25-year-old could be the seventh first-team player to be sold by the club this summer.

Saints have already banked around £90m after the sales of Rickie Lambert, Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren, Calum Chambers and Billy Sharp.

The club rejected a similar offer from Swansea City for Cork in January, while West Bromwich Albion and Queens Park Rangers were also said to have expressed interest.

It has been suggested that, because Cork has a year left on his contract and a new deal has not been agreed, Saints are keen to sell him rather than lose him for nothing.

Cork moved to St Mary’s from Chelsea in 2011 for a fee of about £750,000.

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8:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

GX Saint says...

Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract. GX Saint
  • Score: 140

8:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bassett Boy says...

Absolute disgrace!
Absolute disgrace! Bassett Boy
  • Score: 92

8:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

sfranck says...

Hope it's not true. He's such a great player and should play every game. Was impressive last season. Will miss him sorely.
Hope it's not true. He's such a great player and should play every game. Was impressive last season. Will miss him sorely. sfranck
  • Score: 100

8:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

Thankyounicola says...

Why could a new deal not be agreed?
Disappointed with this one. He is popular among fans and a great player to have in a team. Puts his head down and works hard for the team.
Why could a new deal not be agreed? Disappointed with this one. He is popular among fans and a great player to have in a team. Puts his head down and works hard for the team. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 100

8:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

adams74 says...

WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!!
WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!! adams74
  • Score: 2

8:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

Capital letters won't keep him with us I'm afraid.
Utter madness by this inept board.
He's worth more than twice that paltry figure.
In fact we should not sell but provide a decent new contract.
Capital letters won't keep him with us I'm afraid. Utter madness by this inept board. He's worth more than twice that paltry figure. In fact we should not sell but provide a decent new contract. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 80

8:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Oakhill saint says...

I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing!
One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he?
I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing! One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he? Oakhill saint
  • Score: 77

8:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

adams74 wrote:
WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!!
How do you know?
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!![/p][/quote]How do you know? Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 27

8:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

expatsaint says...

Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in? expatsaint
  • Score: 41

8:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

adams74 wrote:
WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!!
DE are just passing on what’s being put around, #SFC have to either sort out a new contract or he is gone. ATM this is just a rumour but I could see it happening sadly, I hope he stays, would rather keep Jack and sell Morgan !!

Hope the board see how fans feel about this. RK said the exodus had stopped!!
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!![/p][/quote]DE are just passing on what’s being put around, #SFC have to either sort out a new contract or he is gone. ATM this is just a rumour but I could see it happening sadly, I hope he stays, would rather keep Jack and sell Morgan !! Hope the board see how fans feel about this. RK said the exodus had stopped!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 42

8:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
[quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 29

8:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

WinchesterBond says...

Oakhill saint wrote:
I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing! One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he?
Absolutely. JC will shine this year like AL and JRod last season. Letting a player of his calibre and potential is indeed madness, and for £3M you are having a laugh £13M is not even thinking money. JC (along with JWP), in what may well turn out to be an even more impressive Saints team this season, are very much potential England internationals. Hope this is just a Daily Fail standard garbage story.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhill saint[/bold] wrote: I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing! One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he?[/p][/quote]Absolutely. JC will shine this year like AL and JRod last season. Letting a player of his calibre and potential is indeed madness, and for £3M you are having a laugh £13M is not even thinking money. JC (along with JWP), in what may well turn out to be an even more impressive Saints team this season, are very much potential England internationals. Hope this is just a Daily Fail standard garbage story. WinchesterBond
  • Score: 38

8:45am Thu 14 Aug 14

SwissToni says...

If true, this does not make sense. RK came out and said no more sales. If Cork leaves, how can we trust the board? It means we cannot justify holding any other player to their contract. If Cork goes, then Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will follow. Who could blame them?
If true, this does not make sense. RK came out and said no more sales. If Cork leaves, how can we trust the board? It means we cannot justify holding any other player to their contract. If Cork goes, then Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will follow. Who could blame them? SwissToni
  • Score: 34

8:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY.

On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper
Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY. On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 19

8:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

Stokesofdublin says...

Bad idea, if true.
Bad idea, if true. Stokesofdublin
  • Score: 20

8:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Let's hope this is BS. If he goes Les Reed and RK are nuts. ****ing Nuts!!

I hear the voice of the HC's saying as he leaves 'Nothing to worry about, Les will sort it out. The board are doing a good job.'

Bob Dylan said, 'The answer my friend is Blowing in the wind.'

If Jack Cork goes Les Reed is p***ing in the wind.
Let's hope this is BS. If he goes Les Reed and RK are nuts. ****ing Nuts!! I hear the voice of the HC's saying as he leaves 'Nothing to worry about, Les will sort it out. The board are doing a good job.' Bob Dylan said, 'The answer my friend is Blowing in the wind.' If Jack Cork goes Les Reed is p***ing in the wind. george chivers
  • Score: 25

8:49am Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -9

8:49am Thu 14 Aug 14

north wales saint 2 says...

Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.
Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why. north wales saint 2
  • Score: 16

8:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint Lambert says...

Although I'm not the boards biggest fan, is it not at all likely that Cork didn't sign the contract because we (rightly) can't guarantee him first team football? I wish him all the best and am sorry to see him leave, should play more IMO but that's football
Although I'm not the boards biggest fan, is it not at all likely that Cork didn't sign the contract because we (rightly) can't guarantee him first team football? I wish him all the best and am sorry to see him leave, should play more IMO but that's football Saint Lambert
  • Score: 24

8:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
They have no idea about getting around a table and discussing things.
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]They have no idea about getting around a table and discussing things. costa gaz
  • Score: 8

8:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

Anyfear says...

This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop. Anyfear
  • Score: 6

8:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

Blackknight says...

£3 million, is that for a used pair of his boots and a signed photograph?

Great squad member for Saints, always works hard and plays well. It would be very short sighted to sell him unless a ridiculously high offer is made.

Get him signed up on a new long term contract, he deserves it.
£3 million, is that for a used pair of his boots and a signed photograph? Great squad member for Saints, always works hard and plays well. It would be very short sighted to sell him unless a ridiculously high offer is made. Get him signed up on a new long term contract, he deserves it. Blackknight
  • Score: 25

8:55am Thu 14 Aug 14

saintforever says...

fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds
fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player
so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right !
fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right ! saintforever
  • Score: 6

8:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
More money banked on behalf of the owners, never to be used to further the ambitions and aspirations of the loyal fans.
The only question still outstanding is when will the club be put up for sale.
It is potentially worth a great deal of money despite not having an established proven team anymore ( at this moment in time, it is still in the PL , and is in line for lucrative TV earnings etc ).

Its not a case of will the club be sold, but when will it go on the market to add to the money left over from the sale of the team.
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]More money banked on behalf of the owners, never to be used to further the ambitions and aspirations of the loyal fans. The only question still outstanding is when will the club be put up for sale. It is potentially worth a great deal of money despite not having an established proven team anymore ( at this moment in time, it is still in the PL , and is in line for lucrative TV earnings etc ). Its not a case of will the club be sold, but when will it go on the market to add to the money left over from the sale of the team. one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

8:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

Malcombe says...

I hope Jack Cork stays but whom am I to judge if he is a good Player? He's consistent, works hard, reliable and a bread and butter Player similar to Nick Holmes , I did think something might happen because Ronald didn't including him for the starting 11 last Saturday but I would not undermined Ronald Koeman, perhaps Ronald feels apart from Wanyama there are other Players who can do the same sweeping and intercepting that Jack has done so well, Jack Stephens is another, Jack's dad Alan wasn't very happy when Jack wasn't in the starting 11 last Saturday but there's no sentiment in top professional Football and that's easily said when he's not the Manager.
If Jack leaves I will miss his interviews because at the end of every sentence he says the word so which I think is amusing has anyone else noticed it? Without any doubt Ronald Koeman is proving to be tough and determined, my mate who saw the game last Saturday said that the high pressing game of last season is not there this season, he thinks that Ronald doesn't want that type of play and is more to playing for keeping possession of the ball and rapid distribution but not the hoof long ball style, I replied I hope not it will get up the noses of many Supporters. If Jack leaves he will be missed and remembered by all the Supporters and this decision is probably Ronalds not Les Reed so Les can sleep a little more sound as he shouldn't be bombarded with verbal abuse for a change, I am sure I and all the Supporters wish the Team good luck for Sunday and 1 or better still 3 points will do nicely thank you, my mate is going so I'll be phoning him next Monday COYR
I hope Jack Cork stays but whom am I to judge if he is a good Player? He's consistent, works hard, reliable and a bread and butter Player similar to Nick Holmes , I did think something might happen because Ronald didn't including him for the starting 11 last Saturday but I would not undermined Ronald Koeman, perhaps Ronald feels apart from Wanyama there are other Players who can do the same sweeping and intercepting that Jack has done so well, Jack Stephens is another, Jack's dad Alan wasn't very happy when Jack wasn't in the starting 11 last Saturday but there's no sentiment in top professional Football and that's easily said when he's not the Manager. If Jack leaves I will miss his interviews because at the end of every sentence he says the word so which I think is amusing has anyone else noticed it? Without any doubt Ronald Koeman is proving to be tough and determined, my mate who saw the game last Saturday said that the high pressing game of last season is not there this season, he thinks that Ronald doesn't want that type of play and is more to playing for keeping possession of the ball and rapid distribution but not the hoof long ball style, I replied I hope not it will get up the noses of many Supporters. If Jack leaves he will be missed and remembered by all the Supporters and this decision is probably Ronalds not Les Reed so Les can sleep a little more sound as he shouldn't be bombarded with verbal abuse for a change, I am sure I and all the Supporters wish the Team good luck for Sunday and 1 or better still 3 points will do nicely thank you, my mate is going so I'll be phoning him next Monday COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 1

8:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY.

On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper
I am afraid Boruc has hinted that he will leave if he is dropped for Sundays game against Liverpool.
Another quality footballer who the board has allowed his contract to run down to just one year. What has Les been doing? He is in charge of all things football and transfers so he tells us, players contracts would be included in that i presume?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY. On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper[/p][/quote]I am afraid Boruc has hinted that he will leave if he is dropped for Sundays game against Liverpool. Another quality footballer who the board has allowed his contract to run down to just one year. What has Les been doing? He is in charge of all things football and transfers so he tells us, players contracts would be included in that i presume? costa gaz
  • Score: 21

9:03am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible. costa gaz
  • Score: 15

9:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

insider1234 says...

I was upset at first, then I remembered that although Cork is decent, he doesn't change a game enough in terms of chances created. I have been hugely impressed with Isgrove and JWP this preseason and see this as simply a clearing of the path for these guys to come in. Personally I think Isgrove could be the player of the year, have you seen how fast this kid is?
I was upset at first, then I remembered that although Cork is decent, he doesn't change a game enough in terms of chances created. I have been hugely impressed with Isgrove and JWP this preseason and see this as simply a clearing of the path for these guys to come in. Personally I think Isgrove could be the player of the year, have you seen how fast this kid is? insider1234
  • Score: 7

9:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Morning Sammy
[quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Morning Sammy OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

9:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.
Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.[/p][/quote]Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho costa gaz
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

Have Les and co ever heard of that strange concept of having a squad? I know, as ideas go it's out there!

And for 3 mill, what on earth is going on?
Have Les and co ever heard of that strange concept of having a squad? I know, as ideas go it's out there! And for 3 mill, what on earth is going on? redandy10
  • Score: 8

9:07am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

saintforever wrote:
fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds
fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player
so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right !
Billy Sharp was signed by Leeds for £450,000
[quote][p][bold]saintforever[/bold] wrote: fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right ![/p][/quote]Billy Sharp was signed by Leeds for £450,000 costa gaz
  • Score: 6

9:08am Thu 14 Aug 14

JamesSS7 says...

Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation.

I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages.
Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation. I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages. JamesSS7
  • Score: 2

9:12am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How many players are there in a PL squad? What about injuries and suspensions. You need experience and continuity to achieve something not a constant turn over of players.

Les Reed is a car dealer, not a responsible business manager at a professional football club. The only customers he cares about are the other PL clubs who buy our players. Not the customers who sit in the stands. The real customers. The emotional shareholders. The supporters. The fans. The people who wake up the morning with SFC running through their hearts and minds.

What the **** is going on?
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How many players are there in a PL squad? What about injuries and suspensions. You need experience and continuity to achieve something not a constant turn over of players. Les Reed is a car dealer, not a responsible business manager at a professional football club. The only customers he cares about are the other PL clubs who buy our players. Not the customers who sit in the stands. The real customers. The emotional shareholders. The supporters. The fans. The people who wake up the morning with SFC running through their hearts and minds. What the **** is going on? george chivers
  • Score: 9

9:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Morning Sammy
Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans.

But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Morning Sammy[/p][/quote]Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans. But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree. costa gaz
  • Score: 19

9:15am Thu 14 Aug 14

ecuk268 says...

This originated from the Daily Mail so take with a pinch of salt.

As old Rene Descartes said "I think, therefore I am not a Daily Mail Reader"
This originated from the Daily Mail so take with a pinch of salt. As old Rene Descartes said "I think, therefore I am not a Daily Mail Reader" ecuk268
  • Score: 14

9:15am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed? Saint Clements
  • Score: -3

9:16am Thu 14 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

It's fairly obvious that JC hasn't signed an improved contract because the unrest in the camp is pretty widespread. He is in a much stronger position than all the long term contract players because he can simply see his contract out. We cannot replace him without spending a lot of cash so allowing his contract to expire is by far the better option. Jack is worth a minimum of £10million, has been a favourite for the past two seasons, never lets us down and should be one of the first names on the team sheet every week. In addition to that he has acted with dignity throughout, unlike the Liarlannas and that cente half we had and if it's at all possible we should be doing everything possibe to keep him.
It's fairly obvious that JC hasn't signed an improved contract because the unrest in the camp is pretty widespread. He is in a much stronger position than all the long term contract players because he can simply see his contract out. We cannot replace him without spending a lot of cash so allowing his contract to expire is by far the better option. Jack is worth a minimum of £10million, has been a favourite for the past two seasons, never lets us down and should be one of the first names on the team sheet every week. In addition to that he has acted with dignity throughout, unlike the Liarlannas and that cente half we had and if it's at all possible we should be doing everything possibe to keep him. Clever Dick
  • Score: 9

9:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans! echo1948
  • Score: 10

9:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

9:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Pochettino only used Cork when we had injuries. Maybe Koeman also, sees him only as a back up, preferring to utilise JWP or Reed, in the future?
One thing Cork lacks, is pace, which is why I have been surprised as to how well he has actually coped with the EPL.
But might also explain his lack of goals/goal efforts, as in not having the pace to get forward, then back again, quickly enough, something Koeman seems to like in midfield.

I would be happy if he stayed, but won't wet the bed if he goes. I'll leave that to the rest of you.
Pochettino only used Cork when we had injuries. Maybe Koeman also, sees him only as a back up, preferring to utilise JWP or Reed, in the future? One thing Cork lacks, is pace, which is why I have been surprised as to how well he has actually coped with the EPL. But might also explain his lack of goals/goal efforts, as in not having the pace to get forward, then back again, quickly enough, something Koeman seems to like in midfield. I would be happy if he stayed, but won't wet the bed if he goes. I'll leave that to the rest of you. Costa Baz
  • Score: 23

9:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah''
He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board.

The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...
Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah'' He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board. The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali... costa gaz
  • Score: 1

9:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services. echo1948
  • Score: 8

9:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah''
He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board.

The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...
Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah'' He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board. The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...[/p][/quote]Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

9:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

9:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Yep Brilliant ............. Who was going to pay for that ????
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Yep Brilliant ............. Who was going to pay for that ???? Buddy SFC
  • Score: 7

9:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

Portland Saint says...

I was told last week from someone who has connections at St. Mary's that Jack Cork had been told he was surplus to requirements. Hoped it wasn't true but this seems to confirm it. Have previously been very positive about recent events but I'm becoming worried at whats happening at out beloved club. Hope I'm wrong! COYR's
I was told last week from someone who has connections at St. Mary's that Jack Cork had been told he was surplus to requirements. Hoped it wasn't true but this seems to confirm it. Have previously been very positive about recent events but I'm becoming worried at whats happening at out beloved club. Hope I'm wrong! COYR's Portland Saint
  • Score: 1

9:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

Berkshire Saint says...

I've been a Saints fan ever since I can remember and have experienced a few highs and many lows in that time. If this does happen I will question whether my support is worth it. This summer for me has been one of the worst I can remember which is saying something given we went into administration. At least that year it ended on a high with Saint Marcus and Nicola reigniting our passion. Cork, when he came on last week showed us he was one of our better players and therefore must be retained even if it's to see out his contract. I see Hull are looking to spend the Shane Long cash on Danny Welbeck and I know whom I'd rather have in my team. I really want this summers activity to be a stroke of genius from Les and co but god help them if we're in the bottom 4-5 come the end of Sept.
I've been a Saints fan ever since I can remember and have experienced a few highs and many lows in that time. If this does happen I will question whether my support is worth it. This summer for me has been one of the worst I can remember which is saying something given we went into administration. At least that year it ended on a high with Saint Marcus and Nicola reigniting our passion. Cork, when he came on last week showed us he was one of our better players and therefore must be retained even if it's to see out his contract. I see Hull are looking to spend the Shane Long cash on Danny Welbeck and I know whom I'd rather have in my team. I really want this summers activity to be a stroke of genius from Les and co but god help them if we're in the bottom 4-5 come the end of Sept. Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 3

9:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

9:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

9:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY.

On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper
I rate Gazza.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: Thought Jack CORK was very consistent in his passing last Season with Wanyama strong - but lots of wayward passing - and good cover in the Squad - why sell QUALITY. On the subject of MUST DO BETTER - we should in 2014 with good Management keep both Number One Keepers happy with rotation - we do not want to go back to the days of just having one decent Keeper[/p][/quote]I rate Gazza. mack chinnon
  • Score: -12

9:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

bartley41 says...

Will the last person leaving St.Mary's please urn the lights out!!

So sorry, but Les Reed has already sold the light bulbs!

I understand he has sold them to Liverhampton who he regards as "Regular Customers"!
Will the last person leaving St.Mary's please urn the lights out!! So sorry, but Les Reed has already sold the light bulbs! I understand he has sold them to Liverhampton who he regards as "Regular Customers"! bartley41
  • Score: -4

9:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah''
He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board.

The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...
Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why?
basically because of last night Os. You lot do not get any respect from any more... deluded fools. keep clapping and it'll all go away because Les said so.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah'' He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board. The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...[/p][/quote]Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why?[/p][/quote]basically because of last night Os. You lot do not get any respect from any more... deluded fools. keep clapping and it'll all go away because Les said so. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

9:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else costa gaz
  • Score: -1

9:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

adams74 wrote:
WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!!
Really hope you are right but why have we not agreed a new deal ? Pathetic if we sell JC one of our top players.
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!![/p][/quote]Really hope you are right but why have we not agreed a new deal ? Pathetic if we sell JC one of our top players. wellow saint
  • Score: -4

9:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Morning Sammy
Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans.

But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree.
morning Barry again, I was officially declared an idiot on an unofficial poll on this sight, I can't deny it. So you are right to agree, the question is, what's your excuse?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Morning Sammy[/p][/quote]Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans. But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree.[/p][/quote]morning Barry again, I was officially declared an idiot on an unofficial poll on this sight, I can't deny it. So you are right to agree, the question is, what's your excuse? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

9:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Oh FFS, and what delightful spin will the board lovers put on this one…

P.S here is a Baggies viewpoint of the wonderful Long signing

..baggiebornandbred
March 24, 2014 1:44 pm
I was the first to admit 7m was an amazing piece of business for shane, in the prevoius year he had scored 1 goal every 4 games was absolutly woeful against southampton and bar a good 35 minutes against villa had done nothing in the way of taking us anyway..

Les Reed has been appointed way above his pay grade and that is the nub of it…

I seriously believe we are starting to experience a complete re run of our 2005/6 season…except this time with no financial excuse…

Other than the new keeper I have woken up everyday to more bad news...
Oh FFS, and what delightful spin will the board lovers put on this one… P.S here is a Baggies viewpoint of the wonderful Long signing ..baggiebornandbred March 24, 2014 1:44 pm I was the first to admit 7m was an amazing piece of business for shane, in the prevoius year he had scored 1 goal every 4 games was absolutly woeful against southampton and bar a good 35 minutes against villa had done nothing in the way of taking us anyway.. Les Reed has been appointed way above his pay grade and that is the nub of it… I seriously believe we are starting to experience a complete re run of our 2005/6 season…except this time with no financial excuse… Other than the new keeper I have woken up everyday to more bad news... warrens 76
  • Score: -4

9:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint in Pennsylvania says...

How many players will we have against Liverpool that were in First 11 at the end of last season? Very few....... the issue here is about changing team dynamics. We are going to really struggle as we have no time to create a new "team". I am an accountant for a living, so I can say this with the utmost respect, but it fees like the club is being run by a beancounter with no clue about football. I love this club, what has happened this summer is a disgrace.
How many players will we have against Liverpool that were in First 11 at the end of last season? Very few....... the issue here is about changing team dynamics. We are going to really struggle as we have no time to create a new "team". I am an accountant for a living, so I can say this with the utmost respect, but it fees like the club is being run by a beancounter with no clue about football. I love this club, what has happened this summer is a disgrace. Saint in Pennsylvania
  • Score: 4

9:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position. notaclue
  • Score: -3

9:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Morning Sammy
Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans.

But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree.
morning Barry again, I was officially declared an idiot on an unofficial poll on this sight, I can't deny it. So you are right to agree, the question is, what's your excuse?
sight = site, idiot.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Morning Sammy[/p][/quote]Great input again Osprey, even you one of the most deluded of the dwindling bunch of HC's, cannot deny this is another kick in the teeth for us fans. But no doubt you and you crew will go on to tell us it's being done for the best.... you called yourself an idiot last night, not going to disagree.[/p][/quote]morning Barry again, I was officially declared an idiot on an unofficial poll on this sight, I can't deny it. So you are right to agree, the question is, what's your excuse?[/p][/quote]sight = site, idiot. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

9:39am Thu 14 Aug 14

saint christopher says...

Cork - good squad player, dependable. But we now have other options and RK clearly feels he is surplus to requirements. We may not like it - and superficially it seems to add to the scenario of unrest and discontent - but at the end of the day this is a decision made by those in the club who are seeking to rebuild a new team and know who is required and who isn't.

As for "he's worth far more" - a footballer's value is ultimately that which other clubs are willing to pay and we haven't had a string of other PL clubs queuing up to make offers, which suggests the £3M is probably about right, especially near the end of his contract.

Too many lemmings on here at the moment - it's not all good but it's not as bad as some of you appear to think it is. I can envisage a strong mid-table finish and pushing on further next season, proving a lot of doubters wrong in the process. Man up and stop all the whingeing.
Cork - good squad player, dependable. But we now have other options and RK clearly feels he is surplus to requirements. We may not like it - and superficially it seems to add to the scenario of unrest and discontent - but at the end of the day this is a decision made by those in the club who are seeking to rebuild a new team and know who is required and who isn't. As for "he's worth far more" - a footballer's value is ultimately that which other clubs are willing to pay and we haven't had a string of other PL clubs queuing up to make offers, which suggests the £3M is probably about right, especially near the end of his contract. Too many lemmings on here at the moment - it's not all good but it's not as bad as some of you appear to think it is. I can envisage a strong mid-table finish and pushing on further next season, proving a lot of doubters wrong in the process. Man up and stop all the whingeing. saint christopher
  • Score: 11

9:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

9:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name. costa gaz
  • Score: -2

9:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

St Forlife says...

For me he is one of the unsung heroes of SFC. He was noticed enough to get in the GB olympic team. He came on against BL last saturday for last 15 and was immense - looking for the ball, holding it, looking for the pass, giving it andf making himself available immediately afterwards. For me we always look a better footballing team when he is there.

Selling him now will be a reflection of his unhappiness since the rest of the team were scattered far and wide. RK will regret letting him go if by Christmas we are leaking goals
For me he is one of the unsung heroes of SFC. He was noticed enough to get in the GB olympic team. He came on against BL last saturday for last 15 and was immense - looking for the ball, holding it, looking for the pass, giving it andf making himself available immediately afterwards. For me we always look a better footballing team when he is there. Selling him now will be a reflection of his unhappiness since the rest of the team were scattered far and wide. RK will regret letting him go if by Christmas we are leaking goals St Forlife
  • Score: 6

9:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

By the way I like Jack Cork, I think he is worth more than an insulting £3m, and will be very unhappy if he left, if only he could score goals he would be worth a lot more.
By the way I like Jack Cork, I think he is worth more than an insulting £3m, and will be very unhappy if he left, if only he could score goals he would be worth a lot more. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

St Forlife says...

For me he is one of the unsung heroes of SFC. He was noticed enough to get in the GB olympic team however and played a blinder last season and never let us down when selected. He came on against BL last saturday for last 15 and was immense - looking for the ball, holding it, looking for the pass, giving it and then making himself available immediately afterwards. For me we always look a better footballing team when he is there.

Selling him now will be a reflection of his unhappiness since the rest of the team were scattered far and wide. RK will regret letting him go if by Christmas we are leaking goals
For me he is one of the unsung heroes of SFC. He was noticed enough to get in the GB olympic team however and played a blinder last season and never let us down when selected. He came on against BL last saturday for last 15 and was immense - looking for the ball, holding it, looking for the pass, giving it and then making himself available immediately afterwards. For me we always look a better footballing team when he is there. Selling him now will be a reflection of his unhappiness since the rest of the team were scattered far and wide. RK will regret letting him go if by Christmas we are leaking goals St Forlife
  • Score: 2

9:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

If Cork goes it could be the last straw for me - not in supporting the team, but in trusting the decisions of people at the club.

The vast majority of people can see he is class and the fee is a joke, plus did the club think securing Fonte and making him captain was what the fans were clamouring for? Yes a good move but securing Cork would have made a bigger statement for me.

Why he doesn't get played is beyond me and if Palace end up signing Kelly and Cork for a combined total of 4.5M Pulis will have pulled of some amazing business.

If you said we need to let someone go and the choice was 3M for Cork or 20M+ for Spider I'd sell the latter. But in reality I wouldn't sell either of them.
If Cork goes it could be the last straw for me - not in supporting the team, but in trusting the decisions of people at the club. The vast majority of people can see he is class and the fee is a joke, plus did the club think securing Fonte and making him captain was what the fans were clamouring for? Yes a good move but securing Cork would have made a bigger statement for me. Why he doesn't get played is beyond me and if Palace end up signing Kelly and Cork for a combined total of 4.5M Pulis will have pulled of some amazing business. If you said we need to let someone go and the choice was 3M for Cork or 20M+ for Spider I'd sell the latter. But in reality I wouldn't sell either of them. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

9:44am Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Oakhill saint wrote:
I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing!
One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he?
No he can leave for nothing in 10mths.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhill saint[/bold] wrote: I have kept quiet......... No more. £3m that is letting him leave for nothing! One of the best and most consistent players. Don't let him leave even if he wants to and god help us why wouldn't he?[/p][/quote]No he can leave for nothing in 10mths. notaclue
  • Score: 3

9:45am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****! george chivers
  • Score: -9

9:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

I am surrounded by pseudo scouse supporters in my office, none of whom could pick out Liverpool on a map but who are on at me big time about Sundays match and predicting very large scores indeed.

I have accepted one bet of a "big breakfast" and he has even given me the draw and a one goal handicap.. mmm I took the bet .... I did the same last year and we beat them.. I loved that breakfast !!

This year I am more circumspect, but their team is not that great and ours is a completely unknown entity !!

In the Metro freeby rag this morning we are listed as one of the probable strugglers wih survival as our major objective. I am not so sure about that. I think we may have a few blips to start with but generally I see a squad here that will hold its own and may even reach a similar level to last season if we can achieve some consistency after a few weeks.
I am surrounded by pseudo scouse supporters in my office, none of whom could pick out Liverpool on a map but who are on at me big time about Sundays match and predicting very large scores indeed. I have accepted one bet of a "big breakfast" and he has even given me the draw and a one goal handicap.. mmm I took the bet .... I did the same last year and we beat them.. I loved that breakfast !! This year I am more circumspect, but their team is not that great and ours is a completely unknown entity !! In the Metro freeby rag this morning we are listed as one of the probable strugglers wih survival as our major objective. I am not so sure about that. I think we may have a few blips to start with but generally I see a squad here that will hold its own and may even reach a similar level to last season if we can achieve some consistency after a few weeks. Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

9:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
It's Saints not saints!!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]It's Saints not saints!! Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

9:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

Borderland Saint says...

I am probably going to get slatted for this but its sounds like its our only option to sell JC so sl@gging off the board (as usual) isn't fair. If JC won't sign a new contract and can't be assured of regular football then what would you have us do? If you look at this with a sensible head on then its a win win situation. We get 3mil for a squad player who will take up a fair bit of wages and would be holding back the likes of Harrison Reed, and with our philosophy of promoting youth from the academy it makes perfect sense to sell him on for a profit whilst we still can. This is just my opinion, and i understand there are a lot of angry fans with a big bee in their bonnet about all the player transfers, but blaming the board all the time is getting boring when you can see every transfer has benefited the club one way or another, be it large sums of money or the ability to promote youth/bring in other players. If Jack does leave, i'll thank him for his services and look to the future, after all, he's not exactly irreplaceable! ....begin the abuse haha
I am probably going to get slatted for this but its sounds like its our only option to sell JC so sl@gging off the board (as usual) isn't fair. If JC won't sign a new contract and can't be assured of regular football then what would you have us do? If you look at this with a sensible head on then its a win win situation. We get 3mil for a squad player who will take up a fair bit of wages and would be holding back the likes of Harrison Reed, and with our philosophy of promoting youth from the academy it makes perfect sense to sell him on for a profit whilst we still can. This is just my opinion, and i understand there are a lot of angry fans with a big bee in their bonnet about all the player transfers, but blaming the board all the time is getting boring when you can see every transfer has benefited the club one way or another, be it large sums of money or the ability to promote youth/bring in other players. If Jack does leave, i'll thank him for his services and look to the future, after all, he's not exactly irreplaceable! ....begin the abuse haha Borderland Saint
  • Score: 9

9:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah''
He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board.

The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...
Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why?
basically because of last night Os. You lot do not get any respect from any more... deluded fools. keep clapping and it'll all go away because Les said so.
It is plain to see that Southampton Football Club does not deserve you.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Wheres horse 101 this morning, he'll calm all our fears and tell us ''it's for the best blah blah blah'' He will defend this ludicrous situation to the hilt in his unwavering support for this inept board. The horse, or information minister for SFC, is turning into our very own Comical Ali...[/p][/quote]Good start getting personal and adding nothing to the thread, why?[/p][/quote]basically because of last night Os. You lot do not get any respect from any more... deluded fools. keep clapping and it'll all go away because Les said so.[/p][/quote]It is plain to see that Southampton Football Club does not deserve you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

just scnid to go ,100 million in a swiss bank ,more sky money to loot and offski.
just scnid to go ,100 million in a swiss bank ,more sky money to loot and offski. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -5

9:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint in Pennsylvania says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.
Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.[/p][/quote]Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here. Saint in Pennsylvania
  • Score: -2

9:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Yep Brilliant ............. Who was going to pay for that ????
The owner, funded largely by the massively increased revenue clubs are getting this season.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Yep Brilliant ............. Who was going to pay for that ????[/p][/quote]The owner, funded largely by the massively increased revenue clubs are getting this season. Saint Clements
  • Score: -4

9:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/sport/football/n
ews/southampton-boar
d-cannot-blamed-exod
us-3926519
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519 Buddy SFC
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

saint christopher wrote:
Cork - good squad player, dependable. But we now have other options and RK clearly feels he is surplus to requirements. We may not like it - and superficially it seems to add to the scenario of unrest and discontent - but at the end of the day this is a decision made by those in the club who are seeking to rebuild a new team and know who is required and who isn't.

As for "he's worth far more" - a footballer's value is ultimately that which other clubs are willing to pay and we haven't had a string of other PL clubs queuing up to make offers, which suggests the £3M is probably about right, especially near the end of his contract.

Too many lemmings on here at the moment - it's not all good but it's not as bad as some of you appear to think it is. I can envisage a strong mid-table finish and pushing on further next season, proving a lot of doubters wrong in the process. Man up and stop all the whingeing.
Cork, rather like Chambers, will, if sold, be one of those that will bite us in the backside. Yes, he's down the pecking order, but, like Chambers, we're not using the guy to his full potential.

Players like him are gold dust, especially if your squad is a bit light. You can potentially play the guy right back, holding midfield or centre back, but why we can't see the value in this is beyond me.

Even if you only have him as a holding midfielder the guy is quality. I also think we should have given him the captains armband - think that responsibility, and a regular place, would elevate his game to the next level.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Cork - good squad player, dependable. But we now have other options and RK clearly feels he is surplus to requirements. We may not like it - and superficially it seems to add to the scenario of unrest and discontent - but at the end of the day this is a decision made by those in the club who are seeking to rebuild a new team and know who is required and who isn't. As for "he's worth far more" - a footballer's value is ultimately that which other clubs are willing to pay and we haven't had a string of other PL clubs queuing up to make offers, which suggests the £3M is probably about right, especially near the end of his contract. Too many lemmings on here at the moment - it's not all good but it's not as bad as some of you appear to think it is. I can envisage a strong mid-table finish and pushing on further next season, proving a lot of doubters wrong in the process. Man up and stop all the whingeing.[/p][/quote]Cork, rather like Chambers, will, if sold, be one of those that will bite us in the backside. Yes, he's down the pecking order, but, like Chambers, we're not using the guy to his full potential. Players like him are gold dust, especially if your squad is a bit light. You can potentially play the guy right back, holding midfield or centre back, but why we can't see the value in this is beyond me. Even if you only have him as a holding midfielder the guy is quality. I also think we should have given him the captains armband - think that responsibility, and a regular place, would elevate his game to the next level. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

9:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.
Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.
Yes, it does indeed open a much wider debate on the state of our national school system and the destruction of the English language by social media innit. Only joking.
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.[/p][/quote]Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.[/p][/quote]Yes, it does indeed open a much wider debate on the state of our national school system and the destruction of the English language by social media innit. Only joking. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

9:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.
Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.
Stone me, I hadn't noticed, is there a problem that we haven't already been made aware of, or spouted about in several thousands of posts on here? I think we should be told.
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.[/p][/quote]Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.[/p][/quote]Stone me, I hadn't noticed, is there a problem that we haven't already been made aware of, or spouted about in several thousands of posts on here? I think we should be told. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

9:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

What an absolute mess they've made!

A club which was on the brink of European qualification is now continually selling. This smacks of KL lowering the wage bill as much as possible, as 3 mill for Jack is a joke.
What an absolute mess they've made! A club which was on the brink of European qualification is now continually selling. This smacks of KL lowering the wage bill as much as possible, as 3 mill for Jack is a joke. redandy10
  • Score: -2

9:55am Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You say it will cost £12m to replace JC.

But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You say it will cost £12m to replace JC. But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth. notaclue
  • Score: -2

9:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

ian redhill says...

We need to keep him...............en
d of
We need to keep him...............en d of ian redhill
  • Score: 2

9:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

Roman Centurion says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
Capital letters won't keep him with us I'm afraid.
Utter madness by this inept board.
He's worth more than twice that paltry figure.
In fact we should not sell but provide a decent new contract.
Yes totally agree he wouldn't look out of place in England's midfield . FFs get a grip Les
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Capital letters won't keep him with us I'm afraid. Utter madness by this inept board. He's worth more than twice that paltry figure. In fact we should not sell but provide a decent new contract.[/p][/quote]Yes totally agree he wouldn't look out of place in England's midfield . FFs get a grip Les Roman Centurion
  • Score: 2

9:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Sorry Osprey, should be an "S".
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Sorry Osprey, should be an "S". echo1948
  • Score: -2

9:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

pemcil says...

We wouldn't be a Premiership team without Jack Cork, but it seems that managers don't tend to rate him quite as highly as Saints Fans do. I hope he stays & if he does then I'm certain he'll have another great season & wouldn't be surprised if he is a serious contender for player of the season in May. If he stays there's no way we'll go down.
We wouldn't be a Premiership team without Jack Cork, but it seems that managers don't tend to rate him quite as highly as Saints Fans do. I hope he stays & if he does then I'm certain he'll have another great season & wouldn't be surprised if he is a serious contender for player of the season in May. If he stays there's no way we'll go down. pemcil
  • Score: 4

10:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
..... Absolutely SPOT ON ...
.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]..... Absolutely SPOT ON ... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

10:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintJD wrote:
Saint in Pennsylvania wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Here you go again, irritating as hell.
If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else
If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.
Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.
Yes, it does indeed open a much wider debate on the state of our national school system and the destruction of the English language by social media innit. Only joking.
If are fans have been taught wrong, it is are duty to of put them righter.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Here you go again, irritating as hell. If you don't like the way us saints fans spell, go support someone else[/p][/quote]If I am irritating you, no problem, if it is irritating other posters I apologise to them, but it is your fault.[/p][/quote]Can understand picking holes in logic, but spelling and grammar, come on, there are bigger issues going on here.[/p][/quote]Yes, it does indeed open a much wider debate on the state of our national school system and the destruction of the English language by social media innit. Only joking.[/p][/quote]If are fans have been taught wrong, it is are duty to of put them righter. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

10:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice! echo1948
  • Score: 3

10:03am Thu 14 Aug 14

ARKAN_ says...

Sheer madness and so undeserving for an outstanding player like Jack. Either give the guy a decent contract or allow him to leave on a free next year as a reward for all he's done. If this happens Koeman can go to hell and will come to regret this when injuries take a hold. I no longer have a club I know. No history, no players I can relate to. Disgusted
Sheer madness and so undeserving for an outstanding player like Jack. Either give the guy a decent contract or allow him to leave on a free next year as a reward for all he's done. If this happens Koeman can go to hell and will come to regret this when injuries take a hold. I no longer have a club I know. No history, no players I can relate to. Disgusted ARKAN_
  • Score: -2

10:03am Thu 14 Aug 14

Tyke15 says...

Do I watch a different match to the rest of the Board. Up to now I have accepted that the Board have had little choice but to accept the ludicrous offers for the Saints players coupled with the mercenary attitude of those that have left. Cork for me is the kind of player who always gives 100%. I don't know what he is holding out for in terms of money but he is worth every penny. Get your grey cells working and listen to the fans otherwise you'll have all that Sky money an empty stadium. Enough is enough. No more sales.
Do I watch a different match to the rest of the Board. Up to now I have accepted that the Board have had little choice but to accept the ludicrous offers for the Saints players coupled with the mercenary attitude of those that have left. Cork for me is the kind of player who always gives 100%. I don't know what he is holding out for in terms of money but he is worth every penny. Get your grey cells working and listen to the fans otherwise you'll have all that Sky money an empty stadium. Enough is enough. No more sales. Tyke15
  • Score: 13

10:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.
Then why do you follow a football club?

Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving?

Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically.

And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.[/p][/quote]Then why do you follow a football club? Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving? Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically. And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally? george chivers
  • Score: -7

10:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.
dispenced?
Sorry Osprey, should be an "S".
s surely? :O ) only teasing take no notice, just trying to take the sting out of the negativity which we have slipped back into this morning, I don't think some of these people are cut out for the rough and tumble of being a Saints supporter, they haven't got stomach for a proper fight, their only weapons are negative thoughts which have never won a battle in the history of mankind. Our weapons should be fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion to the Ronk.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Now I can see why Charlton dispenced with Les Reeds services.[/p][/quote]dispenced?[/p][/quote]Sorry Osprey, should be an "S".[/p][/quote]s surely? :O ) only teasing take no notice, just trying to take the sting out of the negativity which we have slipped back into this morning, I don't think some of these people are cut out for the rough and tumble of being a Saints supporter, they haven't got stomach for a proper fight, their only weapons are negative thoughts which have never won a battle in the history of mankind. Our weapons should be fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion to the Ronk. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -13

10:08am Thu 14 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Spot on
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Spot on Rooflas
  • Score: 5

10:08am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co

.uk/sport/football/n

ews/southampton-boar

d-cannot-blamed-exod

us-3926519
Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus.


If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff.
By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus. If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff. By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

10:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

saintforever wrote:
fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right !
in actual fact sharp was sold for £450k apologie accepted,
[quote][p][bold]saintforever[/bold] wrote: fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right ![/p][/quote]in actual fact sharp was sold for £450k apologie accepted, InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 1

10:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

notaclue wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You say it will cost £12m to replace JC.

But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth.
we are selling him for only £3m because he only has 1 year left on his contract, this is what happens when the board let contracts run short.
His real value is obviously much, much more...
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You say it will cost £12m to replace JC. But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth.[/p][/quote]we are selling him for only £3m because he only has 1 year left on his contract, this is what happens when the board let contracts run short. His real value is obviously much, much more... costa gaz
  • Score: 15

10:13am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual. redandy10
  • Score: 5

10:15am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.
Then why do you follow a football club?

Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving?

Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically.

And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?
George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.[/p][/quote]Then why do you follow a football club? Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving? Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically. And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?[/p][/quote]George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

10:16am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/sport/football/n


ews/southampton-boar


d-cannot-blamed-exod


us-3926519
Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus.


If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff.
By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.
We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league.

The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals.

As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus. If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff. By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.[/p][/quote]We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league. The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals. As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it. SaintJD
  • Score: -2

10:17am Thu 14 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

This move would not make a lot of sense and for that reason I doubt it's true. Only one paper (Daily Mail) is printing this rumour and Sky have picked it up from them. Mail is the same paper that rumoured Fonte was going to Hull and as we all know, he has signed an extended contract and become team Captain. Its clear to me that someone behind the these is stirring things up to disrupt players and some fans. I think its too early to crucify anyone on the Board on THIS deal until we know if there is any truth in it.

I can't wait for this bloody transfer window to close.
This move would not make a lot of sense and for that reason I doubt it's true. Only one paper (Daily Mail) is printing this rumour and Sky have picked it up from them. Mail is the same paper that rumoured Fonte was going to Hull and as we all know, he has signed an extended contract and become team Captain. Its clear to me that someone behind the these is stirring things up to disrupt players and some fans. I think its too early to crucify anyone on the Board on THIS deal until we know if there is any truth in it. I can't wait for this bloody transfer window to close. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 3

10:18am Thu 14 Aug 14

oh when the saints go marching in!! says...

Its a transfer i was expecting ever since cork didnt start on saturday we have a lot of midfielders this season and if cork is not willing to sign a new contract and compete for a starting place then why should the club keep him? If it was an ambition issue why on earth would he go to palace??? The lad wants to play every game which we cant guarantee this season. The board are doing the right thing here no point letting him go completely free and no one is going to pay over 3mill for him now. The previous regime should have given him a contract last summer then this may not have happened and at the very least we could have got more money for him. Another poor situation inherited by the current board. COYR in Ronald koeman i trust
Its a transfer i was expecting ever since cork didnt start on saturday we have a lot of midfielders this season and if cork is not willing to sign a new contract and compete for a starting place then why should the club keep him? If it was an ambition issue why on earth would he go to palace??? The lad wants to play every game which we cant guarantee this season. The board are doing the right thing here no point letting him go completely free and no one is going to pay over 3mill for him now. The previous regime should have given him a contract last summer then this may not have happened and at the very least we could have got more money for him. Another poor situation inherited by the current board. COYR in Ronald koeman i trust oh when the saints go marching in!!
  • Score: -1

10:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. costa gaz
  • Score: 9

10:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

10:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.
Then why do you follow a football club?

Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving?

Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically.

And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?
George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion.
Just a journo then.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.[/p][/quote]Then why do you follow a football club? Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving? Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically. And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?[/p][/quote]George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion.[/p][/quote]Just a journo then. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:21am Thu 14 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
We also offered him a new contract this time last year. He knocked that back as well.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]We also offered him a new contract this time last year. He knocked that back as well. mack chinnon
  • Score: 7

10:21am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948 costa gaz
  • Score: 6

10:22am Thu 14 Aug 14

Dgginger says...

Berkshire Saint wrote:
I've been a Saints fan ever since I can remember and have experienced a few highs and many lows in that time. If this does happen I will question whether my support is worth it. This summer for me has been one of the worst I can remember which is saying something given we went into administration. At least that year it ended on a high with Saint Marcus and Nicola reigniting our passion. Cork, when he came on last week showed us he was one of our better players and therefore must be retained even if it's to see out his contract. I see Hull are looking to spend the Shane Long cash on Danny Welbeck and I know whom I'd rather have in my team. I really want this summers activity to be a stroke of genius from Les and co but god help them if we're in the bottom 4-5 come the end of Sept.
Quite right.
[quote][p][bold]Berkshire Saint[/bold] wrote: I've been a Saints fan ever since I can remember and have experienced a few highs and many lows in that time. If this does happen I will question whether my support is worth it. This summer for me has been one of the worst I can remember which is saying something given we went into administration. At least that year it ended on a high with Saint Marcus and Nicola reigniting our passion. Cork, when he came on last week showed us he was one of our better players and therefore must be retained even if it's to see out his contract. I see Hull are looking to spend the Shane Long cash on Danny Welbeck and I know whom I'd rather have in my team. I really want this summers activity to be a stroke of genius from Les and co but god help them if we're in the bottom 4-5 come the end of Sept.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Dgginger
  • Score: 0

10:24am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
Andy if Costa says don't fret, be afraid, be very afraid. If I say it, don't fret, rejoice because it will all come right in the end and we will all live happily every after, except those that don't.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.[/p][/quote]Andy if Costa says don't fret, be afraid, be very afraid. If I say it, don't fret, rejoice because it will all come right in the end and we will all live happily every after, except those that don't. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

10:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
Quite right, believe you sinners, believe.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]Quite right, believe you sinners, believe. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
..... Absolutely SPOT ON ...
.
And I thought modern football was a squad game? Silly me. Indeed - sell Cork, Boruc and anyone who isn't first choice, probably won't need them anyway. Continuity is overrated anyway - let's create a model that other clubs will follow by disposing of our entire squad every season and making lots of money - it is the blueprint of the future of football.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]..... Absolutely SPOT ON ... .[/p][/quote]And I thought modern football was a squad game? Silly me. Indeed - sell Cork, Boruc and anyone who isn't first choice, probably won't need them anyway. Continuity is overrated anyway - let's create a model that other clubs will follow by disposing of our entire squad every season and making lots of money - it is the blueprint of the future of football. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

donni1437 says...

I don't rate him as highly as some fans do and believe his future will always be a good squad player for saints. If he doesn't want to stay then we have to let him go. Seemingly RK doesn't fancy him, like Poch before, and can't be offered guaranteed 1st team footy so what are the options? Let him sit on the bench this year and go for nothing when his contract is up?
I don't rate him as highly as some fans do and believe his future will always be a good squad player for saints. If he doesn't want to stay then we have to let him go. Seemingly RK doesn't fancy him, like Poch before, and can't be offered guaranteed 1st team footy so what are the options? Let him sit on the bench this year and go for nothing when his contract is up? donni1437
  • Score: 5

10:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why?

Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why? Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday. Rising_Son
  • Score: 6

10:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.
Then why do you follow a football club?

Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving?

Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically.

And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?
George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion.
Just a journo then.
Barely.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]Your analogy about the three men with guns is correct, I am a lousy shot, hate weapons and violence, so my option would be to talk them out of it. I could easily bore them to death with my sense of humour and total stupidity.[/p][/quote]Then why do you follow a football club? Surely you would be happier knitting or basket weaving? Football, like all team sports is a substitute for tribal warfare, designed to release frustration and prepare people for real war, if and when it comes, which it does periodically. And if my analogy is correct does that really mean you are Alicesdad in disguise or vice versa, because my comment wasn't aimed at you and you took it personally?[/p][/quote]George, if you could find the answer as to why I support my Football Club I would regard you as a genius. Knitting. basket weaving? I am useless with anything that technical. Tribal warfare, yes I like the thought of that, get a team of Zulus and Gurkha that would sort out the Premier, but they wouldn't permit them to use their assegai or kukri and they aren't so clever without them. Your analogy like a lot of your thoughts is wrong (imo), I think Alicesdad and I think along similar lines and we aren't alone, if I agree with him I will support him, if I didn't I would attempt to put my opposing point of view, it is called discussion.[/p][/quote]Just a journo then.[/p][/quote]Barely. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

sackman says...

Not a massive issue Cork going. Looks like Ronald Koeman wants to play with just one holding midfielder this season as opposed to two last season. Would mean Cork is 3rd in the pecking order. He's too good to be 3rd choice, and saints dont need that level of depth.
Not a massive issue Cork going. Looks like Ronald Koeman wants to play with just one holding midfielder this season as opposed to two last season. Would mean Cork is 3rd in the pecking order. He's too good to be 3rd choice, and saints dont need that level of depth. sackman
  • Score: 4

10:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why?

Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.
I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why? Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.[/p][/quote]I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

10:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

FortWorth_Saint says...

I can't believe all the ranting that goes on on this blog.

I never believe what I read in the press.

Does an agent get a percentage of a player's pay? If so, it would be in the interest of the agent to start stirring for an improved contract. If Cork leaves on a free I suppose the agent gets nothing.

Les Read (or is it Reed) always starts his negotiations by low balling his offers.

Please lets have some sanity on this site and less of the name calling. Thanks Osprey for explaining to me about neggies and Happy Clappers. Sometimes, though, I can't tell the difference between people on this site.

I would also remind people that there are still two weeks in the transfer window. Many deals are not done until close to the end so don't complain about the money not being spent yet.
I can't believe all the ranting that goes on on this blog. I never believe what I read in the press. Does an agent get a percentage of a player's pay? If so, it would be in the interest of the agent to start stirring for an improved contract. If Cork leaves on a free I suppose the agent gets nothing. Les Read (or is it Reed) always starts his negotiations by low balling his offers. Please lets have some sanity on this site and less of the name calling. Thanks Osprey for explaining to me about neggies and Happy Clappers. Sometimes, though, I can't tell the difference between people on this site. I would also remind people that there are still two weeks in the transfer window. Many deals are not done until close to the end so don't complain about the money not being spent yet. FortWorth_Saint
  • Score: 2

10:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

mack chinnon wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
We also offered him a new contract this time last year. He knocked that back as well.
Perhaps we should play him more and he might sign.

With Morgan sulking on the sidelines perhaps it would be a good idea to show we reward and promote players who want to play for us.

And that's regardless of the fact he's a good, and versatile, player.

FFS every player we are bringing in is generally around the age of 25 - Cork fits our profile perfectly, plus he's one of the few senior players left.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]We also offered him a new contract this time last year. He knocked that back as well.[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should play him more and he might sign. With Morgan sulking on the sidelines perhaps it would be a good idea to show we reward and promote players who want to play for us. And that's regardless of the fact he's a good, and versatile, player. FFS every player we are bringing in is generally around the age of 25 - Cork fits our profile perfectly, plus he's one of the few senior players left. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

10:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co



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d-cannot-blamed-exod



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Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus.


If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff.
By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.
We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league.

The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals.

As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.
Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team.

Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus. If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff. By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.[/p][/quote]We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league. The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals. As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.[/p][/quote]Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team. Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........ costa gaz
  • Score: -3

10:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

sammy_m says...

£3,000,000 for Jack Cork is a bargain!

Get the Cheque Book out and meet his demands!!!!!!!

Corky has been in my opinion been Player of Season for the past 2 seasons!

Unfortunately as Saints fans we have to all realise that we have the wrong people running the club!!!!

We were potentially 3 or 4 signings of having a serious challenge for Europe this season before the Jumble Sale began.

I believe Katharina Liebherr, Wreck-It-Ralph Kruger, Gareth Rogers, Hans Hofstetter and Les Reed have sold us the 'Fans' down the river.

#Disgusted
£3,000,000 for Jack Cork is a bargain! Get the Cheque Book out and meet his demands!!!!!!! Corky has been in my opinion been Player of Season for the past 2 seasons! Unfortunately as Saints fans we have to all realise that we have the wrong people running the club!!!! We were potentially 3 or 4 signings of having a serious challenge for Europe this season before the Jumble Sale began. I believe Katharina Liebherr, Wreck-It-Ralph Kruger, Gareth Rogers, Hans Hofstetter and Les Reed have sold us the 'Fans' down the river. #Disgusted sammy_m
  • Score: -4

10:33am Thu 14 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

JamesSS7 wrote:
Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation.

I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages.
I think you are right. I think wages is the key to everything here. Players salaries are by far the biggest cost for the club and the Board have looked at these, taking into account FFP rules and the long term viability of the club as a business. This has resulted in many players realising that they can earn more elsewhere and/or not meeting their own financial aspirations they would have achieved under the previous regime and so have pushed for a move. Its the same reason why we can't attract the likes of Hernandez and Rojo - they can earn double elsewhere. Of course this real reason will be disguised as club lacking ambition, wanting Champions League football etc etc , but the real reason is money.

As fans I think we have to accept that our club is owned and run by a Board who are taking a prudent, long term business approach to running club, which fundamentally means a lower salary structure than many other clubs and the implications that has in keeping and attracting some players.
[quote][p][bold]JamesSS7[/bold] wrote: Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation. I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages.[/p][/quote]I think you are right. I think wages is the key to everything here. Players salaries are by far the biggest cost for the club and the Board have looked at these, taking into account FFP rules and the long term viability of the club as a business. This has resulted in many players realising that they can earn more elsewhere and/or not meeting their own financial aspirations they would have achieved under the previous regime and so have pushed for a move. Its the same reason why we can't attract the likes of Hernandez and Rojo - they can earn double elsewhere. Of course this real reason will be disguised as club lacking ambition, wanting Champions League football etc etc , but the real reason is money. As fans I think we have to accept that our club is owned and run by a Board who are taking a prudent, long term business approach to running club, which fundamentally means a lower salary structure than many other clubs and the implications that has in keeping and attracting some players. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 6

10:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

SaintJD wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
..... Absolutely SPOT ON ...
.
And I thought modern football was a squad game? Silly me. Indeed - sell Cork, Boruc and anyone who isn't first choice, probably won't need them anyway. Continuity is overrated anyway - let's create a model that other clubs will follow by disposing of our entire squad every season and making lots of money - it is the blueprint of the future of football.
When they enter the last year of their contract and a new contract cant be worked out with them then you have to think about selling, that's the way it is.
If he had a couple of years left on his contract I doubt if we would sell him or Artur, but very few good players get to walk away on a free these days from any club.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]..... Absolutely SPOT ON ... .[/p][/quote]And I thought modern football was a squad game? Silly me. Indeed - sell Cork, Boruc and anyone who isn't first choice, probably won't need them anyway. Continuity is overrated anyway - let's create a model that other clubs will follow by disposing of our entire squad every season and making lots of money - it is the blueprint of the future of football.[/p][/quote]When they enter the last year of their contract and a new contract cant be worked out with them then you have to think about selling, that's the way it is. If he had a couple of years left on his contract I doubt if we would sell him or Artur, but very few good players get to walk away on a free these days from any club. notaclue
  • Score: 0

10:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up! redandy10
  • Score: 3

10:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

FortWorth_Saint wrote:
I can't believe all the ranting that goes on on this blog.

I never believe what I read in the press.

Does an agent get a percentage of a player's pay? If so, it would be in the interest of the agent to start stirring for an improved contract. If Cork leaves on a free I suppose the agent gets nothing.

Les Read (or is it Reed) always starts his negotiations by low balling his offers.

Please lets have some sanity on this site and less of the name calling. Thanks Osprey for explaining to me about neggies and Happy Clappers. Sometimes, though, I can't tell the difference between people on this site.

I would also remind people that there are still two weeks in the transfer window. Many deals are not done until close to the end so don't complain about the money not being spent yet.
Thanks for bringing some sense to the site, I agree there is a fine line between the HCs and neggies, it is purely down to how successful the results are at any given time.
[quote][p][bold]FortWorth_Saint[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the ranting that goes on on this blog. I never believe what I read in the press. Does an agent get a percentage of a player's pay? If so, it would be in the interest of the agent to start stirring for an improved contract. If Cork leaves on a free I suppose the agent gets nothing. Les Read (or is it Reed) always starts his negotiations by low balling his offers. Please lets have some sanity on this site and less of the name calling. Thanks Osprey for explaining to me about neggies and Happy Clappers. Sometimes, though, I can't tell the difference between people on this site. I would also remind people that there are still two weeks in the transfer window. Many deals are not done until close to the end so don't complain about the money not being spent yet.[/p][/quote]Thanks for bringing some sense to the site, I agree there is a fine line between the HCs and neggies, it is purely down to how successful the results are at any given time. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
Quite right, believe you sinners, believe.
Is it not time for your morning nap... Nurse will be along shortly to wipe you chin.. silly old fool.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]Quite right, believe you sinners, believe.[/p][/quote]Is it not time for your morning nap... Nurse will be along shortly to wipe you chin.. silly old fool. costa gaz
  • Score: -7

10:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

I personally will be glad to see the back of Jack Cork. At least I wont be losing a tenner each week betting on him scoring.
I personally will be glad to see the back of Jack Cork. At least I wont be losing a tenner each week betting on him scoring. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

10:38am Thu 14 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing…

Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed.

Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself.

Ambition…continual
ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds.

The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling.

The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason.

THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.[/p][/quote]I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing… Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed. Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself. Ambition…continual ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds. The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling. The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason. THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation. warrens 76
  • Score: -6

10:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:44am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

notaclue wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You say it will cost £12m to replace JC.

But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth.
Now that's a matter for debate isn't it. More than they are worth. Depends how you view things.

For me, the jury is still out. Forget how well the sold players perform for their new clubs - maybe Adam will be a disaster - let's base it on how they played for us.

I was slightly shocked yesterday when I did a tally of money in and money out as a result of our signings thus far.

I'd assumed we'd have loads of money left in the bank with loads of new faces already on board.

Seems that's not the case. Yes we have a decent chunk left, but it's amazing how quickly the kitty gets eaten into - just ask Spurs or Liverpool.

Of course we could be looking at better players than last season, in which case great, but that's a pretty big ask for a whole new team to adapt to what is a whole new league for some of them. Same for the management team.

If I'm honest the incomings don't concern me too much, it's the continued talk of outgoings that is enraging me.

Keep the current squad, add the two we have supposedly agreed deals on plus two other very impressive additions (one defender and a BIG signing up front) and I'll be signing the praises of the board, not bashing them.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You say it will cost £12m to replace JC. But we will sell him for £3m so that can't be true, and we are good at selling players for more than they are worth.[/p][/quote]Now that's a matter for debate isn't it. More than they are worth. Depends how you view things. For me, the jury is still out. Forget how well the sold players perform for their new clubs - maybe Adam will be a disaster - let's base it on how they played for us. I was slightly shocked yesterday when I did a tally of money in and money out as a result of our signings thus far. I'd assumed we'd have loads of money left in the bank with loads of new faces already on board. Seems that's not the case. Yes we have a decent chunk left, but it's amazing how quickly the kitty gets eaten into - just ask Spurs or Liverpool. Of course we could be looking at better players than last season, in which case great, but that's a pretty big ask for a whole new team to adapt to what is a whole new league for some of them. Same for the management team. If I'm honest the incomings don't concern me too much, it's the continued talk of outgoings that is enraging me. Keep the current squad, add the two we have supposedly agreed deals on plus two other very impressive additions (one defender and a BIG signing up front) and I'll be signing the praises of the board, not bashing them. SaintJD
  • Score: -7

10:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why?

Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.
If jack Cork had issues with his contract it should have been sorted in May/ June. Given the strategy the club has employed to sell and replace players this summer Cork should not be going days before the season starts when thousands of fans are angry. It is rank bad management. We are an unstable club that lacks squad continuity, Reed is responsible for all issues to do with players. He has told us that.

Cork should have either gone in June or be fighting for selection now. Not looking to leave.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why? Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.[/p][/quote]If jack Cork had issues with his contract it should have been sorted in May/ June. Given the strategy the club has employed to sell and replace players this summer Cork should not be going days before the season starts when thousands of fans are angry. It is rank bad management. We are an unstable club that lacks squad continuity, Reed is responsible for all issues to do with players. He has told us that. Cork should have either gone in June or be fighting for selection now. Not looking to leave. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

Glenn Cockerill says...

saintforever wrote:
fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds
fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player
so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right !
I thought Billy Sharp went for £2mill?
[quote][p][bold]saintforever[/bold] wrote: fact - billy sharp left on a free as saints couldn't give him first team football - wish him well at leeds fact - dani osvaldo hasn't been sold - has been loaned out in exchange for another player so daily echo please get YOUR FACTS right ![/p][/quote]I thought Billy Sharp went for £2mill? Glenn Cockerill
  • Score: -4

10:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

donni1437 says...

sammy_m wrote:
£3,000,000 for Jack Cork is a bargain!

Get the Cheque Book out and meet his demands!!!!!!!

Corky has been in my opinion been Player of Season for the past 2 seasons!

Unfortunately as Saints fans we have to all realise that we have the wrong people running the club!!!!

We were potentially 3 or 4 signings of having a serious challenge for Europe this season before the Jumble Sale began.

I believe Katharina Liebherr, Wreck-It-Ralph Kruger, Gareth Rogers, Hans Hofstetter and Les Reed have sold us the 'Fans' down the river.

#Disgusted
I expect his demands are to start each week and the board and RK would be crazy to guarantee that.

In my opinion he wouldn't get into any of the top 6 first XI.
[quote][p][bold]sammy_m[/bold] wrote: £3,000,000 for Jack Cork is a bargain! Get the Cheque Book out and meet his demands!!!!!!! Corky has been in my opinion been Player of Season for the past 2 seasons! Unfortunately as Saints fans we have to all realise that we have the wrong people running the club!!!! We were potentially 3 or 4 signings of having a serious challenge for Europe this season before the Jumble Sale began. I believe Katharina Liebherr, Wreck-It-Ralph Kruger, Gareth Rogers, Hans Hofstetter and Les Reed have sold us the 'Fans' down the river. #Disgusted[/p][/quote]I expect his demands are to start each week and the board and RK would be crazy to guarantee that. In my opinion he wouldn't get into any of the top 6 first XI. donni1437
  • Score: -1

10:49am Thu 14 Aug 14

saint Compo says...

Cork is a valuable player for Saints, especially if Schneiderlin goes.

He's worth far more than £3 million. £12 million for Long is another joke!

What is Les Reed thinking of?

COYR
Cork is a valuable player for Saints, especially if Schneiderlin goes. He's worth far more than £3 million. £12 million for Long is another joke! What is Les Reed thinking of? COYR saint Compo
  • Score: -6

10:50am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false.

The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false. The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave. SaintJD
  • Score: -5

10:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

north wales saint 2 says...

costa gaz wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.
Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho
If report is true do you think Crystal Palace is an improvement
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.[/p][/quote]Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho[/p][/quote]If report is true do you think Crystal Palace is an improvement north wales saint 2
  • Score: -7

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

poshdave says...

.........be another nail in the coffin........I'm glad no one else at my work follows footie, couldn't take the **** taking!, ........god knows whats going on, as I said before, promises of major signings, no more sales, better team than last year, blah, blah, blah....full of s**t, its our club, what are they doing with it?..............
.........be another nail in the coffin........I'm glad no one else at my work follows footie, couldn't take the **** taking!, ........god knows whats going on, as I said before, promises of major signings, no more sales, better team than last year, blah, blah, blah....full of s**t, its our club, what are they doing with it?.............. poshdave
  • Score: 0

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

cebu blue says...

Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Well said, Championship football will do you no harm next season.
[quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Well said, Championship football will do you no harm next season. cebu blue
  • Score: 5

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing…

Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed.

Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself.

Ambition…continual

ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds.

The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling.

The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason.

THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.
Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.[/p][/quote]I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing… Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed. Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself. Ambition…continual ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds. The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling. The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason. THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.[/p][/quote]Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false.

The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false. The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.[/p][/quote]Exactly! redandy10
  • Score: 0

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

saints_alive says...

Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
[quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce.... saints_alive
  • Score: 2

10:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

randre says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with.

Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you.

At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with. Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you. At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded. randre
  • Score: 3

10:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

cebu blue wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Well said, Championship football will do you no harm next season.
Didn't do your lot any favours, but it will be a long time before you get back there, if ever.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Well said, Championship football will do you no harm next season.[/p][/quote]Didn't do your lot any favours, but it will be a long time before you get back there, if ever. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false.

The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.
Exactly!
How long have you got? The false rumours far outweigh the true ones.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false. The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.[/p][/quote]Exactly![/p][/quote]How long have you got? The false rumours far outweigh the true ones. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:57am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans. redandy10
  • Score: 2

10:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
JamesSS7 wrote:
Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation.

I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages.
I think you are right. I think wages is the key to everything here. Players salaries are by far the biggest cost for the club and the Board have looked at these, taking into account FFP rules and the long term viability of the club as a business. This has resulted in many players realising that they can earn more elsewhere and/or not meeting their own financial aspirations they would have achieved under the previous regime and so have pushed for a move. Its the same reason why we can't attract the likes of Hernandez and Rojo - they can earn double elsewhere. Of course this real reason will be disguised as club lacking ambition, wanting Champions League football etc etc , but the real reason is money.

As fans I think we have to accept that our club is owned and run by a Board who are taking a prudent, long term business approach to running club, which fundamentally means a lower salary structure than many other clubs and the implications that has in keeping and attracting some players.
And at the end of next season when we sell another 5 or 6 players is that a good thing?

I want to hear from the board what the goal is for next season and the following two seasons. But I don't think I will. Because the answer to that question will be to sell dear and buy cheap. Extract the cash from the club and reduce the cost base. Then repeat as much as possible while staying in the PL in the middle of the table. Until it goes wrong or the club is sold.

A more successful variation on Rupert Lowe's plan. In the mean time we are given the mushroom treatment.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesSS7[/bold] wrote: Very concerning that we have failed to agree a new contract with him. Tells us a lot about our current situation. I have often wondered if one of the main reasons behind what has happened this summer has been to cut the clubs wage bill. Especially when Krueger stated he has been authorised to reinvest the money raised in both transfers and wages.[/p][/quote]I think you are right. I think wages is the key to everything here. Players salaries are by far the biggest cost for the club and the Board have looked at these, taking into account FFP rules and the long term viability of the club as a business. This has resulted in many players realising that they can earn more elsewhere and/or not meeting their own financial aspirations they would have achieved under the previous regime and so have pushed for a move. Its the same reason why we can't attract the likes of Hernandez and Rojo - they can earn double elsewhere. Of course this real reason will be disguised as club lacking ambition, wanting Champions League football etc etc , but the real reason is money. As fans I think we have to accept that our club is owned and run by a Board who are taking a prudent, long term business approach to running club, which fundamentally means a lower salary structure than many other clubs and the implications that has in keeping and attracting some players.[/p][/quote]And at the end of next season when we sell another 5 or 6 players is that a good thing? I want to hear from the board what the goal is for next season and the following two seasons. But I don't think I will. Because the answer to that question will be to sell dear and buy cheap. Extract the cash from the club and reduce the cost base. Then repeat as much as possible while staying in the PL in the middle of the table. Until it goes wrong or the club is sold. A more successful variation on Rupert Lowe's plan. In the mean time we are given the mushroom treatment. george chivers
  • Score: 1

10:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

If true, I can't see this one being Les's fault. I just don't think Ron rates him highly enough, or he would have wanted to keep him, and I can't believe a new contract would have cost that much more.

I guess going back to London may be appealing to him, and I assume he will be getting a pay-rise.

I can't help thinking Luke Shaw is not worth ten times more than Cork.
If true, I can't see this one being Les's fault. I just don't think Ron rates him highly enough, or he would have wanted to keep him, and I can't believe a new contract would have cost that much more. I guess going back to London may be appealing to him, and I assume he will be getting a pay-rise. I can't help thinking Luke Shaw is not worth ten times more than Cork. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

11:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
[quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

buckie says...

Seems like we will lose another 3 Boruc Spider and now Corky i"m in two minds about Cork Forster seems like a good goalie but until i see him over a few games i reserve judgement that"s the same with all these new players i reserve judgement even long if we get him i never liked him playing against us but for us he would be a pest to the opposition that will score a few goals( 12 mil though is a hell of alot) but we are expecting alot if we believe we can go to Anfield with virtually a whole new team and get something i do believe though that hopefully we will be more competitive as the season unfolds least with the players that left we knew what we would get but another way to look at it if the fans dont know what we will get hopefully that will confuse the opposition though COYS
Seems like we will lose another 3 Boruc Spider and now Corky i"m in two minds about Cork Forster seems like a good goalie but until i see him over a few games i reserve judgement that"s the same with all these new players i reserve judgement even long if we get him i never liked him playing against us but for us he would be a pest to the opposition that will score a few goals( 12 mil though is a hell of alot) but we are expecting alot if we believe we can go to Anfield with virtually a whole new team and get something i do believe though that hopefully we will be more competitive as the season unfolds least with the players that left we knew what we would get but another way to look at it if the fans dont know what we will get hopefully that will confuse the opposition though COYS buckie
  • Score: 1

11:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false.

The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.
Virtually every rumour I read concerning out going players and management has come true... denied as pure rubbish and speculation by the deluded few, but it happened, one by one they left.
......And most of it came from that nasty old Daily Mail.

The rumours that failed to materialise were those concerning incoming players, Vlaar, Rojo, Wickham, Hernandez, Rodwell, Young etc...etc...
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false. The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.[/p][/quote]Virtually every rumour I read concerning out going players and management has come true... denied as pure rubbish and speculation by the deluded few, but it happened, one by one they left. ......And most of it came from that nasty old Daily Mail. The rumours that failed to materialise were those concerning incoming players, Vlaar, Rojo, Wickham, Hernandez, Rodwell, Young etc...etc... costa gaz
  • Score: 4

11:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

randre wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with.

Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you.

At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded.
Reasonable people don't win wars. Football is war! War without visible passion is surrender!
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with. Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you. At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded.[/p][/quote]Reasonable people don't win wars. Football is war! War without visible passion is surrender! george chivers
  • Score: -4

11:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.
Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho
If report is true do you think Crystal Palace is an improvement
Palace, Hull, WBA, Leicester etc... are our new rivals so a sideways step for Cork me thinks.
We had one solitary bash at joining the big boys and after that the club gave up.
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: Sorry I am going with the Neggies on this one,if true is he wanting to desert the ship like those that have done already for the same reason also schneiderlin unhappy.Too many wantaways now.Would dearly love to know why.[/p][/quote]Because their ambitions did not match the clubs.. imho[/p][/quote]If report is true do you think Crystal Palace is an improvement[/p][/quote]Palace, Hull, WBA, Leicester etc... are our new rivals so a sideways step for Cork me thinks. We had one solitary bash at joining the big boys and after that the club gave up. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

11:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sorry for the double post, the site hung up for a while and hitting the F5 button duplicated the send.
Sorry for the double post, the site hung up for a while and hitting the F5 button duplicated the send. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:08am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co




.uk/sport/football/n




ews/southampton-boar




d-cannot-blamed-exod




us-3926519
Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus.


If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff.
By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.
We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league.

The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals.

As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.
Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team.

Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........
Sadly I can't disagee with either of you guys , I have always said I maybe wrong but I feel NC did an amazing job at selling the dream .......... The problem was for that to be realised in the next '5 year plan' we would have needed another £150 million ??? , £30 million per year (guess) on wages and transfer fee's on top of the TV money ...............

I think that is where it all collapsed and where as we would have sold 1 or2 players per year over the last 5 years , we just got stronger until the point those players either needed massive pay rises to keep them or they had to be cashed in to rebuild not just the team but the club ......

I had dealings with QPR and the comment I got from them re friends within SFC 18 months ago was SFC was a very unhappy club apart from quote 'The Chosen Few' ..................Th
at was staff and players ??? I'm not sure if that is true but to me we have stronger foundation today than we did in January when NC left ??? as long as we survive this year to build moving forward ????

And 'Costa Gaz' I saw the 67 % as well but there is a big difference being a fan to trying to run an EPL Club in the current mad mad football world !

As I have said before , the answer is to get Tony Fernadez to buy the club as he doesn't give T@ss how badly his club is run and how much money Harry SlyCap throws away on his 'has been's' ...................
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus. If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff. By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.[/p][/quote]We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league. The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals. As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.[/p][/quote]Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team. Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........[/p][/quote]Sadly I can't disagee with either of you guys , I have always said I maybe wrong but I feel NC did an amazing job at selling the dream .......... The problem was for that to be realised in the next '5 year plan' we would have needed another £150 million ??? , £30 million per year (guess) on wages and transfer fee's on top of the TV money ............... I think that is where it all collapsed and where as we would have sold 1 or2 players per year over the last 5 years , we just got stronger until the point those players either needed massive pay rises to keep them or they had to be cashed in to rebuild not just the team but the club ...... I had dealings with QPR and the comment I got from them re friends within SFC 18 months ago was SFC was a very unhappy club apart from quote 'The Chosen Few' ..................Th at was staff and players ??? I'm not sure if that is true but to me we have stronger foundation today than we did in January when NC left ??? as long as we survive this year to build moving forward ???? And 'Costa Gaz' I saw the 67 % as well but there is a big difference being a fan to trying to run an EPL Club in the current mad mad football world ! As I have said before , the answer is to get Tony Fernadez to buy the club as he doesn't give T@ss how badly his club is run and how much money Harry SlyCap throws away on his 'has been's' ................... Buddy SFC
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

I give up
I give up Bazultra
  • Score: 1

11:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
randre wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players.

His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well.

I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more.

If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.
Your total lack of passion is shocking!

If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back.

Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose!

Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out.

Will he ****!
You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with.

Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you.

At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded.
Reasonable people don't win wars. Football is war! War without visible passion is surrender!
No it isn't, that's cobblers, Professional Football is game played by highly paid individuals who are paid to entertain, not to kill each other in the process. If you want the truth about war, there are plenty of examples for you take sides in at the moment, the trouble there is that it is always civilians and innocents that suffer.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Cork is a very strong midfielder and talented utility defender when needed. If he'd scored a few goals his profile would be higher and he would possibly have been sought by bigger clubs. I have never understood his lack of media visibility when you look at the fuss made of some of our players. His asset value to the club is at least 6-7 million based on what you have to spend to replace him so the fee being bandied around in this article is simply unreal. A result of clawing in some cash before his contract is up. It's a real shame. Plus the fact that his advisors will be seeking a larger wage for him as well. I have no idea what the answer to this.... if Sants have wage limits then I suppose this will happen more and more. If he goes then I will wish him well because in amongst all the bright lights of recent transfer activity Cork is a true gem but he has been unnoticed, and it will be the club that suffers.[/p][/quote]Your total lack of passion is shocking! If you were in a fight with three men with guns you would be trying to talk them out of it instead of picking up your weapon and firing back. Mr Always Reasonable you are born to lose! Remember when you look out of your window at the end of next season and see that red and white striped sunset with the league table superimposed on it and all the players waving goodbye. You will say not to worry Les will sort it out. Will he ****![/p][/quote]You questioned my passion once George, as you seem to every time somebody says makes a reasoned point of opinion that you don't agree with. Fine you don't agree with him, but NEVER call any Saints fan passionless just because they have a different opinion to you. At least he has given a reasoned balanced view point. What did your post achieve? Not much other than make you look very small minded.[/p][/quote]Reasonable people don't win wars. Football is war! War without visible passion is surrender![/p][/quote]No it isn't, that's cobblers, Professional Football is game played by highly paid individuals who are paid to entertain, not to kill each other in the process. If you want the truth about war, there are plenty of examples for you take sides in at the moment, the trouble there is that it is always civilians and innocents that suffer. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Cork, £3m, absolute bargain, wages wont be that high... Les buy him quick, regain some of your credibilty.....
Cork, £3m, absolute bargain, wages wont be that high... Les buy him quick, regain some of your credibilty..... costa gaz
  • Score: 1

11:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief.
I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem.
Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip .
The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief. I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem. Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip . BarnetSaint
  • Score: 1

11:12am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bazultra wrote:
I give up
First white flag of the day, but who is winning?
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I give up[/p][/quote]First white flag of the day, but who is winning? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief.
I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem.
Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip .
Perhaps they have a cunning plan my Lord.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief. I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem. Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip .[/p][/quote]Perhaps they have a cunning plan my Lord. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Bazultra wrote:
I give up
Are you giving up because we still have an ongoing exodus, or are you giving up because people are angry and blaming the board for this shamble?
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I give up[/p][/quote]Are you giving up because we still have an ongoing exodus, or are you giving up because people are angry and blaming the board for this shamble? costa gaz
  • Score: 0

11:15am Thu 14 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product. right back in the bar
  • Score: 2

11:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false.

The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.
Virtually every rumour I read concerning out going players and management has come true... denied as pure rubbish and speculation by the deluded few, but it happened, one by one they left.
......And most of it came from that nasty old Daily Mail.

The rumours that failed to materialise were those concerning incoming players, Vlaar, Rojo, Wickham, Hernandez, Rodwell, Young etc...etc...
My point is that of the thousands of rumours that are posted probably a hundred would prove to be correct, and when they happen we get the "told you so brigade" spouting, conveniently forgetting that the rest were horsesdodos
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey. My only question on your post is whether you can outline a list of false rumours (in terms of player outgoings or incomings) that have been proved to be false. The only thing rumoured that hasn't happened as far as I'm aware is the sale of Fonte, but to be fair I think the rumour never suggested he'd actually been sold, just that there was interest and he might be another to leave.[/p][/quote]Virtually every rumour I read concerning out going players and management has come true... denied as pure rubbish and speculation by the deluded few, but it happened, one by one they left. ......And most of it came from that nasty old Daily Mail. The rumours that failed to materialise were those concerning incoming players, Vlaar, Rojo, Wickham, Hernandez, Rodwell, Young etc...etc...[/p][/quote]My point is that of the thousands of rumours that are posted probably a hundred would prove to be correct, and when they happen we get the "told you so brigade" spouting, conveniently forgetting that the rest were horsesdodos OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
IF!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]IF! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

Crispinmumbles says...

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOO!
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO! Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 0

11:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I give up
Are you giving up because we still have an ongoing exodus, or are you giving up because people are angry and blaming the board for this shamble?
I think your posts were the straw that broke the camels back, be proud at your apparent success, he will probably support Eastleigh instead.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I give up[/p][/quote]Are you giving up because we still have an ongoing exodus, or are you giving up because people are angry and blaming the board for this shamble?[/p][/quote]I think your posts were the straw that broke the camels back, be proud at your apparent success, he will probably support Eastleigh instead. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

11:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief.
JC has a year left on his contract, not 1 month!

I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem.
Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip .
The mismanagemt of our club beggars belief. JC has a year left on his contract, not 1 month! I guarantee that levy will now get schneiderlin for around £15M, way below his market value as one of the top performing players in the prem. Reed and Kruger are totally inept and have over seen a total asset strip . BarnetSaint
  • Score: -3

11:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOO!
That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO![/p][/quote]That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Hull want Welbeck for 12 million now that is a ridiculous fee for one of the worst players ever to wear an england shirt lazy selfish and spoilt with very little talent....only got in england team coz hes a man utd player. Now had saints bid for him I would have had a sleepless night and definatly woulda been concerned -that amount makes Long look a bargain ..he works hard chases lost causes and is a pest to defences ..playing for saints with all our chances created will up his goalscoring ratio.....Thank you RK for not going after Welbeck and this gives me more faith in you than ever..
Hull want Welbeck for 12 million now that is a ridiculous fee for one of the worst players ever to wear an england shirt lazy selfish and spoilt with very little talent....only got in england team coz hes a man utd player. Now had saints bid for him I would have had a sleepless night and definatly woulda been concerned -that amount makes Long look a bargain ..he works hard chases lost causes and is a pest to defences ..playing for saints with all our chances created will up his goalscoring ratio.....Thank you RK for not going after Welbeck and this gives me more faith in you than ever.. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 3

11:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

johnlennon_ar says...

Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc
Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc johnlennon_ar
  • Score: -2

11:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sorry for the double post, the site hung up for a while and hitting the F5 button duplicated the send.
It appears that the problem lies with my Flash Player having a conflict with video adverts for some reason?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sorry for the double post, the site hung up for a while and hitting the F5 button duplicated the send.[/p][/quote]It appears that the problem lies with my Flash Player having a conflict with video adverts for some reason? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why?

Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.
I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide.
From what I heard Rising he wasn't offered one hence my comments.

Osprey you really don't have a clue do you? It's fack all to do with sentiment. Boruc has not done anything to lose his place and should therefore start. If not he will rightly be miffed and that is so avoidable.

BTW the abuse you gave costa gaz last night was tantamount to internet bullying. He doesn't need me to stand up for him but it was bang out of order just because he thinks differently to you.

One thing's for sure we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in the coming weeks.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why? Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.[/p][/quote]I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide.[/p][/quote]From what I heard Rising he wasn't offered one hence my comments. Osprey you really don't have a clue do you? It's fack all to do with sentiment. Boruc has not done anything to lose his place and should therefore start. If not he will rightly be miffed and that is so avoidable. BTW the abuse you gave costa gaz last night was tantamount to internet bullying. He doesn't need me to stand up for him but it was bang out of order just because he thinks differently to you. One thing's for sure we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in the coming weeks. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

11:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to. fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

jls217 says...

I may be wide of the mark here.

Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......
I may be wide of the mark here. Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying....... jls217
  • Score: -1

11:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Madness if that happens. THAT would possibly be the one sign I would need to judge the Board as incompetent. Cork is such a good player. I suggest the Board listens to fans on this one!
Madness if that happens. THAT would possibly be the one sign I would need to judge the Board as incompetent. Cork is such a good player. I suggest the Board listens to fans on this one! BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 4

11:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

johnlennon_ar wrote:
Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc
Not just you though, we are all being taken for a ride if you believe what is apparently happening.
[quote][p][bold]johnlennon_ar[/bold] wrote: Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc[/p][/quote]Not just you though, we are all being taken for a ride if you believe what is apparently happening. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
IF!
If you can keep your head held high when all the rest are losing theirs.......you'll be taller than the rest!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]IF![/p][/quote]If you can keep your head held high when all the rest are losing theirs.......you'll be taller than the rest! Rooflas
  • Score: 1

11:33am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Looks like Steve Bruce will be using his club connections, and English football nous to good effect with our 12M.

The problem with our board is we don't seem to have football people on the board who can use their "football charisma" to sell the club to people, and Ron is too new to the PL
Looks like Steve Bruce will be using his club connections, and English football nous to good effect with our 12M. The problem with our board is we don't seem to have football people on the board who can use their "football charisma" to sell the club to people, and Ron is too new to the PL Saints n Winners
  • Score: 2

11:33am Thu 14 Aug 14

Norwegian Saint says...

LES REED.... sort this ficking mess out!
Cork must stay... even for team spirit alone.
(i've just been told I am hitting my keyboard to hard!)
LES REED.... sort this ficking mess out! Cork must stay... even for team spirit alone. (i've just been told I am hitting my keyboard to hard!) Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 2

11:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Madness if that happens. THAT would possibly be the one sign I would need to judge the Board as incompetent. Cork is such a good player. I suggest the Board listens to fans on this one!
Well, I too thought Cork was a good player, but it does seem that opinions are divided even on here. C'est la vie.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Madness if that happens. THAT would possibly be the one sign I would need to judge the Board as incompetent. Cork is such a good player. I suggest the Board listens to fans on this one![/p][/quote]Well, I too thought Cork was a good player, but it does seem that opinions are divided even on here. C'est la vie. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rooflas wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
IF!
If you can keep your head held high when all the rest are losing theirs.......you'll be taller than the rest!
Beware of snipers though.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]IF![/p][/quote]If you can keep your head held high when all the rest are losing theirs.......you'll be taller than the rest![/p][/quote]Beware of snipers though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
I may be wide of the mark here.

Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......
As you will be aware I don't agree with all the moaning on here, however, unless they have something like Classie lined up I won't be happy if Cork goes, IMO I prefer him to Spider, let's hope for Classie then.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I may be wide of the mark here. Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......[/p][/quote]As you will be aware I don't agree with all the moaning on here, however, unless they have something like Classie lined up I won't be happy if Cork goes, IMO I prefer him to Spider, let's hope for Classie then. fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintRachel says...

JACK CORK MUST STAY AND PLAY!
Don't know why Koeman doesn't seem to rate him, but we know him better and we do!
JACK CORK MUST STAY AND PLAY! Don't know why Koeman doesn't seem to rate him, but we know him better and we do! SaintRachel
  • Score: 5

11:38am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown.

I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.[/p][/quote]I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown. I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on! redandy10
  • Score: 1

11:38am Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I give up
First white flag of the day, but who is winning?
Businessmen and shareholders 1 - Fans 0
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I give up[/p][/quote]First white flag of the day, but who is winning?[/p][/quote]Businessmen and shareholders 1 - Fans 0 Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

11:39am Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

Saints are in for Solly March from Brighton. Good signing !!
Saints are in for Solly March from Brighton. Good signing !! TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

11:39am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

11:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

On a lighter note.......
We've been drawn away to Millwall in the League (Capital One) Cup..nice!
The skunts got Stoke away...nice!
COYR FOADP
On a lighter note....... We've been drawn away to Millwall in the League (Capital One) Cup..nice! The skunts got Stoke away...nice! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: -2

11:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

If a contract cant be sorted out, or if Koeman doesn't rate him highly enough to use him then we must sell.
£3m transfer money plus £1.5+m in wages over the next 10mths are down the drain otherwise.
If Koeman wants him enough then get the contract sorted just like Fonte's has been.

SIMPLES....
If a contract cant be sorted out, or if Koeman doesn't rate him highly enough to use him then we must sell. £3m transfer money plus £1.5+m in wages over the next 10mths are down the drain otherwise. If Koeman wants him enough then get the contract sorted just like Fonte's has been. SIMPLES.... notaclue
  • Score: 0

11:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

tinas says...

Total madness. Jack Cork is as good as Schneiderlin and better than Wanyama. If this happens my faith in Koeman will be severely dented.
Total madness. Jack Cork is as good as Schneiderlin and better than Wanyama. If this happens my faith in Koeman will be severely dented. tinas
  • Score: 2

11:45am Thu 14 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like. Classie
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like. Classie fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
johnlennon_ar wrote:
Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc
Not just you though, we are all being taken for a ride if you believe what is apparently happening.
Apparently... have you got dementia ?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennon_ar[/bold] wrote: Your FFFFFFFFFucking kidding me Saintsfc[/p][/quote]Not just you though, we are all being taken for a ride if you believe what is apparently happening.[/p][/quote]Apparently... have you got dementia ? costa gaz
  • Score: 2

11:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like. Classie
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when strachan was manager cant think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like Classie
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like. Classie[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when strachan was manager cant think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like Classie fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:50am Thu 14 Aug 14

spratt says...

Oh dear. Just when I thought we had turned the tide now its back to gloom and despair. I have to agree with previous posters that there are serious doubts over the capabilities of Krueger and Reed to run a football club. Their actions and lack of communication with fans is outrageous. As things stand this morning I am resting my hopes entirely on Ron but if he fails to deliver we are finished. Has anyone noticed he seems to have distanced himself somewhat from some of the boards decisions lately as though to indicate they are coming from the deadly duo and not from him. Still the picture will become clearer when the season kicks off and we see what Ron delivers on the pitch. Pity we start away to Liverpool. If we come away with a point how the threads will change again.
Oh dear. Just when I thought we had turned the tide now its back to gloom and despair. I have to agree with previous posters that there are serious doubts over the capabilities of Krueger and Reed to run a football club. Their actions and lack of communication with fans is outrageous. As things stand this morning I am resting my hopes entirely on Ron but if he fails to deliver we are finished. Has anyone noticed he seems to have distanced himself somewhat from some of the boards decisions lately as though to indicate they are coming from the deadly duo and not from him. Still the picture will become clearer when the season kicks off and we see what Ron delivers on the pitch. Pity we start away to Liverpool. If we come away with a point [or three] how the threads will change again. spratt
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
LES REED.... sort this ficking mess out!
Cork must stay... even for team spirit alone.
(i've just been told I am hitting my keyboard to hard!)
I was really p1ssed off with this story this morning like everyone else - was coming on looking for good news of confirmed signings as usual and again we get a slap in the face.

However, this is only a rumour. The Breaking News header at the top is a little out of order although, let's face it, such headers have sometimes been followed by concrete announcements soon after.

My only consideration, before turning on Les Reed and calling this a mess, is that we are on a very weird knife edge at the moment.

One or two great signings and this summer isn't looking such a mess after all - one or two bad departures or perceived bad signings and there will be outrage.

Long in, Cork kept and I don't have a problem. Long in, Cork out and I'll be seriously concerned about what's happening. Same with Forster and Boruc.

Total fantasy land, but if we keep our current players, bring in the two we seem to be bringing in, plus Vlaar and Wellbeck would anyone be that unhappy or ready to lynch Les Reed?
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: LES REED.... sort this ficking mess out! Cork must stay... even for team spirit alone. (i've just been told I am hitting my keyboard to hard!)[/p][/quote]I was really p1ssed off with this story this morning like everyone else - was coming on looking for good news of confirmed signings as usual and again we get a slap in the face. However, this is only a rumour. The Breaking News header at the top is a little out of order although, let's face it, such headers have sometimes been followed by concrete announcements soon after. My only consideration, before turning on Les Reed and calling this a mess, is that we are on a very weird knife edge at the moment. One or two great signings and this summer isn't looking such a mess after all - one or two bad departures or perceived bad signings and there will be outrage. Long in, Cork kept and I don't have a problem. Long in, Cork out and I'll be seriously concerned about what's happening. Same with Forster and Boruc. Total fantasy land, but if we keep our current players, bring in the two we seem to be bringing in, plus Vlaar and Wellbeck would anyone be that unhappy or ready to lynch Les Reed? SaintJD
  • Score: 2

11:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

No no no! He's the ladt person we should let go. He was brilliant for us over the last two seasons. Letting him go is absolute bloody madness. None of the midfielders brought in are better than Cork. Plus we still have uncertainty over Schneider ling.
Also selling to a club in direct completion as us is crazy. I hope there is no foundation to this story.
I was just about to start to feel more comfortable and then I hear this . Crazy.
No no no! He's the ladt person we should let go. He was brilliant for us over the last two seasons. Letting him go is absolute bloody madness. None of the midfielders brought in are better than Cork. Plus we still have uncertainty over Schneider ling. Also selling to a club in direct completion as us is crazy. I hope there is no foundation to this story. I was just about to start to feel more comfortable and then I hear this . Crazy. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

11:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

All of us are thrashing around in the dark,and have been since the end of last season..Sunday is the day of enlightenment.
All of us are thrashing around in the dark,and have been since the end of last season..Sunday is the day of enlightenment. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

11:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
IF!
Read the thread bird s-h-i-t-e - its that other clique member S-h-i-t-ehouse who doing the hypothesising.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]IF![/p][/quote]Read the thread bird s-h-i-t-e - its that other clique member S-h-i-t-ehouse who doing the hypothesising. right back in the bar
  • Score: -2

11:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

elvis says...

costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x elvis
  • Score: 3

11:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like. Classie
So, you think we need cover for Clyne and a centre back, plus a replacement for Cork and Spider.

Here's an idea - buy Callum Chambers who can play both positions and keep Jack Cork (who can also play right back by the way) and Spider.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like. Classie[/p][/quote]So, you think we need cover for Clyne and a centre back, plus a replacement for Cork and Spider. Here's an idea - buy Callum Chambers who can play both positions and keep Jack Cork (who can also play right back by the way) and Spider. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

11:55am Thu 14 Aug 14

Mister E says...

fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like. Classie
NO to Wellbeck!
Whatever you think of Long's goal scoring, he'll give a far more consistent effort for the team than Well(I'll perform if and when I want to)beck.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like. Classie[/p][/quote]NO to Wellbeck! Whatever you think of Long's goal scoring, he'll give a far more consistent effort for the team than Well(I'll perform if and when I want to)beck. Mister E
  • Score: 5

11:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

11:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

11:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown.

I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on!
Osprey wants to move on because his happy clapping views are being battered here... and rightly so.

Love the echo to run a poll asking if the fans have confidence in the board.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.[/p][/quote]I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown. I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on![/p][/quote]Osprey wants to move on because his happy clapping views are being battered here... and rightly so. Love the echo to run a poll asking if the fans have confidence in the board. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day:

Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...
On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day: Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow... SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing…

Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed.

Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself.

Ambition…continual


ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds.

The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling.

The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason.

THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.
Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions.
1st suggestion stop trying to defend the indefensible.
2nd, stop correcting peoples spelling and grammar.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.[/p][/quote]I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing… Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed. Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself. Ambition…continual ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds. The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling. The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason. THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.[/p][/quote]Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions.[/p][/quote]1st suggestion stop trying to defend the indefensible. 2nd, stop correcting peoples spelling and grammar. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is.

I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea.

This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?
George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is. I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea. This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day:

Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...
Lucky escape then?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day: Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...[/p][/quote]Lucky escape then? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why?

Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.
I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide.
From what I heard Rising he wasn't offered one hence my comments.

Osprey you really don't have a clue do you? It's fack all to do with sentiment. Boruc has not done anything to lose his place and should therefore start. If not he will rightly be miffed and that is so avoidable.

BTW the abuse you gave costa gaz last night was tantamount to internet bullying. He doesn't need me to stand up for him but it was bang out of order just because he thinks differently to you.

One thing's for sure we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in the coming weeks.
Sorry to disagree about Gaz. Like redandy, he dishes it out and then resorts to victimhood.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]Cork didn't extend his contract last summer like most of the other players. Was it because he wasn't offered one? Was it because he turned it down? In either case, you seem to assume that the fault lays solely with Les Reed. Why? Otherwise I agree. Boruc should start on Sunday.[/p][/quote]I thought the neggies said Artur would be gone by Sunday? For sentimental reasons as I said before I want Artur to start on Sunday too, but that is down to RonKo to decide.[/p][/quote]From what I heard Rising he wasn't offered one hence my comments. Osprey you really don't have a clue do you? It's fack all to do with sentiment. Boruc has not done anything to lose his place and should therefore start. If not he will rightly be miffed and that is so avoidable. BTW the abuse you gave costa gaz last night was tantamount to internet bullying. He doesn't need me to stand up for him but it was bang out of order just because he thinks differently to you. One thing's for sure we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in the coming weeks.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree about Gaz. Like redandy, he dishes it out and then resorts to victimhood. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown.

I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on!
Osprey wants to move on because his happy clapping views are being battered here... and rightly so.

Love the echo to run a poll asking if the fans have confidence in the board.
Yeah the fact is the majority of Saints fans seem to be worried at how the club is being run, some of their decisions have left most of us scratching our head.

Btw pay no notice to those who are baiting you, the majority on here want to talk football and NOT get involved in this ganging up nonsense!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.[/p][/quote]I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown. I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on![/p][/quote]Osprey wants to move on because his happy clapping views are being battered here... and rightly so. Love the echo to run a poll asking if the fans have confidence in the board.[/p][/quote]Yeah the fact is the majority of Saints fans seem to be worried at how the club is being run, some of their decisions have left most of us scratching our head. Btw pay no notice to those who are baiting you, the majority on here want to talk football and NOT get involved in this ganging up nonsense! redandy10
  • Score: 2

12:09pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Alicesdad wrote:
George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is.

I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea.

This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?
Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is. I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea. This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?[/p][/quote]Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Thu 14 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

jls217 wrote:
I may be wide of the mark here.

Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......
I agree with most of your post but I don't think Jack Cork has the physicality to be a quality centre back, just my opinion though. I think Koeman has told him that he can't guarantee him first team football so he wants out.Trying to keep everyone happy at a football club is not an easy task.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I may be wide of the mark here. Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your post but I don't think Jack Cork has the physicality to be a quality centre back, just my opinion though. I think Koeman has told him that he can't guarantee him first team football so he wants out.Trying to keep everyone happy at a football club is not an easy task. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

12:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is.

I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea.

This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?
Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet.
Thunder and lightning here at the moment, it's a judgement call for the neggies I reckon.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is. I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea. This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?[/p][/quote]Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet.[/p][/quote]Thunder and lightning here at the moment, it's a judgement call for the neggies I reckon. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Rising_Son wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?
After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off.

You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy.
I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?[/p][/quote]After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off. You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy. I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

12:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.
Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up!
To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.
It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.
It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.
I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown.

I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on!
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]You are right there Andy, there are a lot more HCs than neggies that's for sure, but they are just keeping their heads down because they are fed up with being sniped at. Just one or two of us are prepared to stand up and be counted and it is certainly bringing out the worst in them neggie types.[/p][/quote]Fair play for coming on and giving us your view on the latest developments. Oh hang on, you haven't actually given us a view on if this is troubling or not, too busy winding people up![/p][/quote]To be honest, if I had the facts of what is going on, if I had concrete evidence of anything, I would gladly bring it to the attention of the posters, I do my best with updates when and if I get them, otherwise I keep thing ticking with a bit of teasing and banter, you have no idea how hard it is to keep up morale in the camp when we keep getting bombarded with negative, speculative, false, mischief making posts, which some of the more gullible would rather believe than getting an understanding the true situation. In this respect the Club has a lot to answer for as they never correct false rumours and never keep us informed on progress in transfers, the KGB could learn a thing or two about keeping a secret from this Club.[/p][/quote]It's good to be positive but we can't just sweep the negative stories under the carpet. Some posters did that before this summer when all those stories linking Poch, Adam and Luke with moves were circulating, and we all saw the outcome of that, lots of upset fans.[/p][/quote]It upset all camps though, it was across the board disgust, but we still don't know who to blame for the debacle, despite the thousands of opinions, discussions, theories e.t.c. we are still non the wiser. We can't change a thing now, it's history, we have just got to bite the bullet and move on.[/p][/quote]I agree about the having to move on, but all fans are different, some will respond with complete indifference, whereas others will go into complete meltdown. I think we can't help but be concerned at the massive upheaval at the club this summer, as well as question the performance of the people running the club, but as you correctly said we have to move on![/p][/quote]I agree. Rising_Son
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12:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

jls217 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game. jls217
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12:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.
Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on.
All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior.

I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing…

Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed.

Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself.

Ambition…continual



ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds.

The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling.

The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason.

THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.
Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions.
1st suggestion stop trying to defend the indefensible.
2nd, stop correcting peoples spelling and grammar.
1st no chance.

2nd no way.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol. Same HC posters lying low as usual.[/p][/quote]Don'y fret Andy, the horse has been on the gallops and is now tucking into his oats... He'll soon be here to reasure us that there is no problem, no exodus, the board are wonderful and are getting everything spot on. All the departed players, and they all have new funny nicknames now, were rubbish and the replacement s are all far superior. I actually think he knows we are right, but you know what they say... you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.[/p][/quote]I fail to understand how anyone who loves Saints can watch what has happened and believe the board or Les Reed truly know what they are doing… Man management, it is an open secret that most players from here there 8loody everywhere do not rate or like Les Reed. Motivation….player desertion speaks for itself. Ambition…continual ly miss out on our prime targets unless we pay way over the odds. The exodus of so many players who have been on a long journey with us is telling. The need to completely rebuild a team with no financial reason. THe complete humiliation of our board and Les being led a mery dance by MoPo pretty much destroyed our clubs credibility and the players belief in it….money is, was and always will be a factor however gross incompetence created a meltdown from a manageable situation.[/p][/quote]Good speculation, but how much is factual? Not one of the HCs that I am aware of are any more happy or complacent about the situation, we just have a different approach on how we deal with it on a personal basis. Apart from expressing different views, there really isn't a lot we can actually do about it, unless you have some better ideas on what we could do, I am willing to listen and support any sensible suggestions.[/p][/quote]1st suggestion stop trying to defend the indefensible. 2nd, stop correcting peoples spelling and grammar.[/p][/quote]1st no chance. 2nd no way. OSPREYSAINT
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12:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
Who is Solly March?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]Who is Solly March? OSPREYSAINT
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12:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I may be wide of the mark here.

Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......
I agree with most of your post but I don't think Jack Cork has the physicality to be a quality centre back, just my opinion though. I think Koeman has told him that he can't guarantee him first team football so he wants out.Trying to keep everyone happy at a football club is not an easy task.
True that
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I may be wide of the mark here. Cork may not be the fastest player around but he is quite mobile, he knows how to snap in a tackle and he's proficient in the air, he's not a bad passer, he has great awareness of what is going on around him and he commands respect - Sounds like a potential centre back to me. Just saying.......[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your post but I don't think Jack Cork has the physicality to be a quality centre back, just my opinion though. I think Koeman has told him that he can't guarantee him first team football so he wants out.Trying to keep everyone happy at a football club is not an easy task.[/p][/quote]True that KiwiSaint74
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12:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

elvis wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x
Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word.

Actually don't bother.
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x[/p][/quote]Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word. Actually don't bother. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day:

Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...
Lucky escape then?
I'd like to think so. Of course he may be awesome, but I tend to feel he's one of those that would be linked with new clubs as soon as he signed.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day: Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...[/p][/quote]Lucky escape then?[/p][/quote]I'd like to think so. Of course he may be awesome, but I tend to feel he's one of those that would be linked with new clubs as soon as he signed. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Thu 14 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seriously, though, what's everyone having for lunch?
Seriously, though, what's everyone having for lunch? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

12:16pm Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both. TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is.

I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea.

This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?
Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet.
Thunder and lightning here at the moment, it's a judgement call for the neggies I reckon.
Well let's hope the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse aren't circling Anfield at the moment,unless they're there to bring judgement down on Brenda.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: George Chivers is a wimp, even before I heard of him I thought he was a wimp, I am a Marvel super hero compared to how much of a wimp he is. I think he should calm down and have a cup of tea. This inexplicable outbreak of passion from me is most uncharacteristic I know. But then again I don't know what's going on,. What's happening?[/p][/quote]Something is happening..but we don't know what it is..just yet.[/p][/quote]Thunder and lightning here at the moment, it's a judgement call for the neggies I reckon.[/p][/quote]Well let's hope the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse aren't circling Anfield at the moment,unless they're there to bring judgement down on Brenda. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Bronson69 says...

adams74 wrote:
WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!!
STOP SHOUTING !
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: WONT HAPPEN UNLIKE THE REST WHO BELIEVE THERE BETTER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE CORKIE IS HAPPY HERE END OF AND WILL SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WHEN ITS DRAWN UP.....YET ANOTHER NON STORY BY THE DE SCAREMONGERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANT SAINTS TO FAIL.........ABOUT TIME THE EDITOR STARTED COMMISSIONING TRUE FACTS RATHER THAN HEARSAY!!!!![/p][/quote]STOP SHOUTING ! Bronson69
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

I sometimes wonder if all the bods who post on here were actually in a room we would see the same level of bravado and hot air.

I know some of you know each other and the mock banter and arguments we sometime see are just a bit of fun. Good on you for that.

.. and then there are others ... and some of them are very strange..... very strange indeed.
I sometimes wonder if all the bods who post on here were actually in a room we would see the same level of bravado and hot air. I know some of you know each other and the mock banter and arguments we sometime see are just a bit of fun. Good on you for that. .. and then there are others ... and some of them are very strange..... very strange indeed. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me. KiwiSaint74
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12:21pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?
After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off.

You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy.
I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible.
OK! Oh bother. You must be a bit of a sensitive flower if you think I abused you in anyway, better report me as I have appeared to have broken the rules of the site.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?[/p][/quote]After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off. You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy. I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible.[/p][/quote]OK! Oh bother. You must be a bit of a sensitive flower if you think I abused you in anyway, better report me as I have appeared to have broken the rules of the site. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Mister E wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.
Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.
Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business.

If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though.

If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez?

Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed.

Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.
Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control.

IMO

If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need

A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name.

A centre back

Cover for clyne

And a midfielder like. Classie
NO to Wellbeck!
Whatever you think of Long's goal scoring, he'll give a far more consistent effort for the team than Well(I'll perform if and when I want to)beck.
It is interesting isn't it. Proof that you are never going to please everyone.

I can understand the anti-Wellbeck thing - England players, including Adam, Shaw and Rickie - are obvious targets these days. Townsend has suffered a similar fate - man of the match in several appearances, suddenly fans have decided he's absolute sh1te when his game as far as I'm aware hasn't changed. Goes in cycles I guess.

I'm interested though - if Wellbeck (as well as Long) would be a disastrous signing what exactly are you thinking we sign instead who is a) better, b) even slightly realistic and c) not going to demand silly wages (assuming Wellbeck wouldn't of course)?

And let's assume Bony, Remy and Benteke are looking for big wages at big clubs.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]Danny Welbeck, the only time I remember him looking really good was when Rickie was setting him up in an England game, I don't follow Manure much, but I am sure they got their moneys worth out of him, many posters on here I remember crucified him earlier. His career could go either way with a move to Hull, I don't wish him any ill.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately my two boys are Man Utd fans and due to a move we spent the last two seasons watching a lot of games at old Trafford, if you think Wellbeck is a better buy than long I would consult most of the Utd fans who will I believe be glad if he goes has one good game in ten and only works when he wants to.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Wellbeck would be a quality, quality signing for us. If we secured him and Long I'd feel we'd done some really good business. If Hull did actually sign him and we didn't go in for him it would be very, very annoying. Can't see him signing for Hull though. If Man Utd are contemplating a sale though why have we been fecking around with Hernandez? Were we to sign Wellbeck, Forster and Bertrand you have to say that the sale of our other England internationals wouldn't look quite as backward as it first seemed. Of course we aren't going to sign him though are we.[/p][/quote]Honestly we don't want Wellbeck our pitch ain't big enough for his ego or his poor control. IMO If we get the Gardos and Long and Spieder and cork go, with what we have bought in we will still need A winger like Parhars or the winger who played when starch an was manager can think of his name. A centre back Cover for clyne And a midfielder like. Classie[/p][/quote]NO to Wellbeck! Whatever you think of Long's goal scoring, he'll give a far more consistent effort for the team than Well(I'll perform if and when I want to)beck.[/p][/quote]It is interesting isn't it. Proof that you are never going to please everyone. I can understand the anti-Wellbeck thing - England players, including Adam, Shaw and Rickie - are obvious targets these days. Townsend has suffered a similar fate - man of the match in several appearances, suddenly fans have decided he's absolute sh1te when his game as far as I'm aware hasn't changed. Goes in cycles I guess. I'm interested though - if Wellbeck (as well as Long) would be a disastrous signing what exactly are you thinking we sign instead who is a) better, b) even slightly realistic and c) not going to demand silly wages (assuming Wellbeck wouldn't of course)? And let's assume Bony, Remy and Benteke are looking for big wages at big clubs. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.
sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal
l.com/everton-and-so
uthampton-join-race-
to-sign-parma-star/3
3697
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.[/p][/quote]sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal l.com/everton-and-so uthampton-join-race- to-sign-parma-star/3 3697 KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
Who is Solly March?
Aha! sorry apparently he is a young winger that we might sign from Brighton, are we really going for the Long March option?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]Who is Solly March?[/p][/quote]Aha! sorry apparently he is a young winger that we might sign from Brighton, are we really going for the Long March option? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down.
Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

costa gaz wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?
He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............

Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market !

Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies !
How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt?

How about some positivity.

How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?
Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans!
The more you post the less you sound like a fan?
Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice!
You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948
I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?
After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off.

You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy.
I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible.
Can you give me some examples of the abuse I gave you? I don't think you'll find any.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: Can't fathom this one out, if true. He is a tireless and committed professional with a real sense of loyalty. Maybe he doesn't fit in?[/p][/quote]He's in the last year of his contract and I would imagine not sign a new one to be a bench hopper ???? Love him but RonKom who I think will be class isn't gurenteeing him a first team birth ............ Now for all the neggies ............ this would have been Saints in two years time if we had hung on to a squad of unhappy players , huge debt and very little return in the transfer market ! Player turnover is a fact of life especially in the last year of a contract when the player won't sign a new one ! I want to see JWP play this season along with Steven Davies ![/p][/quote]How do you know this would've been how all the players who left would've felt? How about some positivity. How about thinking that if we'd kept those we had, and had added three-four players, we could've made Europe and those who've bailed would've been delighted to have stayed?[/p][/quote]Sell, sell, sell and fcuk the fans![/p][/quote]The more you post the less you sound like a fan?[/p][/quote]Don,t start on me ! I was a fan probably before you were born. 56 years to be precice![/p][/quote]You can only be a Saints fan if you share the same opinions as Osprey... it's the law I'm afraid echo 1948[/p][/quote]I thought you said yesterday you came on here to discuss football. Reading your post's seems to suggest otherwise. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?[/p][/quote]After last nights abusive attacks by you Osprey and horsey i have decided to fight fire with fire, the gloves are off. You have dragged me down to your level I am afraid, so expect both barrels back when you abuse me again... no more mr nice guy. I don't really want another row with you so please refrain from replying to this.. if that is possible.[/p][/quote]Can you give me some examples of the abuse I gave you? I don't think you'll find any. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.
Ha, ha, yes, it's fair to say opinion is divided on him, with the majority of people thinking he is sh1te. Personally I think he's one of those Money Ball signings - he's not fashionable, but at the right club he could be a great signing because he may get overlooked by others.

And, no, I don't think he'd settle for Hull. Saints would do well to convince him to move in the first place unless he's one of those rare footballers who wants first team football.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, yes, it's fair to say opinion is divided on him, with the majority of people thinking he is sh1te. Personally I think he's one of those Money Ball signings - he's not fashionable, but at the right club he could be a great signing because he may get overlooked by others. And, no, I don't think he'd settle for Hull. Saints would do well to convince him to move in the first place unless he's one of those rare footballers who wants first team football. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down.
So we are saying Corky is leaving but no one actually wants him, not even Cripple?
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down.[/p][/quote]So we are saying Corky is leaving but no one actually wants him, not even Cripple? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seriously, though, what's everyone having for lunch?
A cheese and new potato sandwich with Branston Pickle, I have strange tastes to go with my sense of humour.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Seriously, though, what's everyone having for lunch?[/p][/quote]A cheese and new potato sandwich with Branston Pickle, I have strange tastes to go with my sense of humour. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:30pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?
Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet? Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?
Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George? Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

SaintJD wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.
Ha, ha, yes, it's fair to say opinion is divided on him, with the majority of people thinking he is sh1te. Personally I think he's one of those Money Ball signings - he's not fashionable, but at the right club he could be a great signing because he may get overlooked by others.

And, no, I don't think he'd settle for Hull. Saints would do well to convince him to move in the first place unless he's one of those rare footballers who wants first team football.
Cheers for that :) Quite an interesting development with the proposed Wellbeck move to Hull! I should do some research on him.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, yes, it's fair to say opinion is divided on him, with the majority of people thinking he is sh1te. Personally I think he's one of those Money Ball signings - he's not fashionable, but at the right club he could be a great signing because he may get overlooked by others. And, no, I don't think he'd settle for Hull. Saints would do well to convince him to move in the first place unless he's one of those rare footballers who wants first team football.[/p][/quote]Cheers for that :) Quite an interesting development with the proposed Wellbeck move to Hull! I should do some research on him. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down.
So we are saying Corky is leaving but no one actually wants him, not even Cripple?
Who knows!?. They are reporting 'interest' from CP but that's it at the moment. Maybe JC is trying to force club's hand.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Sky Sports reporting no bid actually made so lets all calm down.[/p][/quote]So we are saying Corky is leaving but no one actually wants him, not even Cripple?[/p][/quote]Who knows!?. They are reporting 'interest' from CP but that's it at the moment. Maybe JC is trying to force club's hand. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?
I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?[/p][/quote]I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
elvis wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x
Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word.

Actually don't bother.
Pot black. Now there is a bit of serious abuse. lol You are sorry to sound like me? What is that supposed to imply, I am highly offended at this slur. (No, I am not really, if you were to sound like me you would say something positive, that isn't going to happen in my opinion for what it is worth.).
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x[/p][/quote]Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word. Actually don't bother.[/p][/quote]Pot black. Now there is a bit of serious abuse. lol You are sorry to sound like me? What is that supposed to imply, I am highly offended at this slur. (No, I am not really, if you were to sound like me you would say something positive, that isn't going to happen in my opinion for what it is worth.). OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?
I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.
Mmm, I've heard he's prone to theatrics...
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?[/p][/quote]I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.[/p][/quote]Mmm, I've heard he's prone to theatrics... Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

Saints fans are all very different people. They feel differently about what is going on and all have their own theories as to what is going on behind the scenes and how successful (or otherwise) the coming season will be.

We should all be able to come on here and state our view, and debate with each other, without being told we are wrong, shot down, insulted or abused.

If you are angry with the Club, fair enough, that's your prerogative. It doesn't excuse vile abusiveness and certainly doesn't excuse being angry with other fans who happen to have a different view than yours.

I wish people would stop the 'we'll soon see who is right or wrong' comments. It's not about personal victories. It should be about football.

I fall in the so called 'happy clapper' club. Why? Because I don't have a crystal ball so would not be so arrogant as to say 'I know' what is happening. I just look at all the information and come to a summary conclusion.

I also don't think I know more about football, and who should be in the first team, than RK does. I also don't think I have the right to say KL should have just opened her cheque book and tried to purchase us more success (even were it possible with FFP in place). Why would I? Does anyone have the that right?
Saints fans are all very different people. They feel differently about what is going on and all have their own theories as to what is going on behind the scenes and how successful (or otherwise) the coming season will be. We should all be able to come on here and state our view, and debate with each other, without being told we are wrong, shot down, insulted or abused. If you are angry with the Club, fair enough, that's your prerogative. It doesn't excuse vile abusiveness and certainly doesn't excuse being angry with other fans who happen to have a different view than yours. I wish people would stop the 'we'll soon see who is right or wrong' comments. It's not about personal victories. It should be about football. I fall in the so called 'happy clapper' club. Why? Because I don't have a crystal ball so would not be so arrogant as to say 'I know' what is happening. I just look at all the information and come to a summary conclusion. I also don't think I know more about football, and who should be in the first team, than RK does. I also don't think I have the right to say KL should have just opened her cheque book and tried to purchase us more success (even were it possible with FFP in place). Why would I? Does anyone have the that right? thinklikealocal
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?
I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.
He would just spend all day tilting at Bursledon Windmill, not an asset at all. Did you mean Donkey Ote, eeyore to be a good one.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?[/p][/quote]I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.[/p][/quote]He would just spend all day tilting at Bursledon Windmill, not an asset at all. Did you mean Donkey Ote, eeyore to be a good one. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day:

Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...
I'm surprised Liverpool haven't gone for Rojo. He seems just the kind of personality they are after. Greedy,arrogant, disloyal, scheming, on-strike. Remind you another recent addition to the Liverpool defence?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another matter, Rojo is looking like more of a pain in the @rse by the day: Manchester United have been chasing Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo for some time, but they may have to dig a little deeper if a deal is to be done. Sporting have revealed that they have cancelled their contract with the company that owned 75 per cent of Rojo's rights, meaning they will now receive 100 per cent of any fee and can stand firm as they wait for a suitable offer to be table. More on this story to follow...[/p][/quote]I'm surprised Liverpool haven't gone for Rojo. He seems just the kind of personality they are after. Greedy,arrogant, disloyal, scheming, on-strike. Remind you another recent addition to the Liverpool defence? Churchill Saint
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Saintade says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
IF you think Wanyama is a better squad player than Jack Cork, then you haven't been going to St Mary's last season. Nutter.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]IF you think Wanyama is a better squad player than Jack Cork, then you haven't been going to St Mary's last season. Nutter. Saintade
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Velleity says...

My first comment since May. Have I missed anything?

I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money.

As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces.

To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.
My first comment since May. Have I missed anything? I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money. As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces. To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly. Velleity
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.
I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.
wellbeck to HCFC will never happen.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]He is a flyer - one of the fastest pros in the game.[/p][/quote]I'm aware that Wellbeck may be a household name in the UK, but I have to admit that apart from seeing him in the WC, I haven't really paid much attention to him. Is it fair to say opinion is divided on him or is he shyte? It would seem strange that he would settle for Hull if you ask me.[/p][/quote]wellbeck to HCFC will never happen. TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Saints fans are all very different people. They feel differently about what is going on and all have their own theories as to what is going on behind the scenes and how successful (or otherwise) the coming season will be.

We should all be able to come on here and state our view, and debate with each other, without being told we are wrong, shot down, insulted or abused.

If you are angry with the Club, fair enough, that's your prerogative. It doesn't excuse vile abusiveness and certainly doesn't excuse being angry with other fans who happen to have a different view than yours.

I wish people would stop the 'we'll soon see who is right or wrong' comments. It's not about personal victories. It should be about football.

I fall in the so called 'happy clapper' club. Why? Because I don't have a crystal ball so would not be so arrogant as to say 'I know' what is happening. I just look at all the information and come to a summary conclusion.

I also don't think I know more about football, and who should be in the first team, than RK does. I also don't think I have the right to say KL should have just opened her cheque book and tried to purchase us more success (even were it possible with FFP in place). Why would I? Does anyone have the that right?
I remember a quote Sean Connery says in the Untouchables. "Don't expect anything to happen, don't even want it to happen, just wait and see what does happen"
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Saints fans are all very different people. They feel differently about what is going on and all have their own theories as to what is going on behind the scenes and how successful (or otherwise) the coming season will be. We should all be able to come on here and state our view, and debate with each other, without being told we are wrong, shot down, insulted or abused. If you are angry with the Club, fair enough, that's your prerogative. It doesn't excuse vile abusiveness and certainly doesn't excuse being angry with other fans who happen to have a different view than yours. I wish people would stop the 'we'll soon see who is right or wrong' comments. It's not about personal victories. It should be about football. I fall in the so called 'happy clapper' club. Why? Because I don't have a crystal ball so would not be so arrogant as to say 'I know' what is happening. I just look at all the information and come to a summary conclusion. I also don't think I know more about football, and who should be in the first team, than RK does. I also don't think I have the right to say KL should have just opened her cheque book and tried to purchase us more success (even were it possible with FFP in place). Why would I? Does anyone have the that right?[/p][/quote]I remember a quote Sean Connery says in the Untouchables. "Don't expect anything to happen, don't even want it to happen, just wait and see what does happen" KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Crispinmumbles says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO


OOOOOOOOOOOO!
That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed.
Sorry, I really rate Corky and think we should be trying to tie him up on a 5 year deal not selling him for peanuts. I like Long but £12.5 m, really?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO![/p][/quote]That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I really rate Corky and think we should be trying to tie him up on a 5 year deal not selling him for peanuts. I like Long but £12.5 m, really? Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

NewForestStu says...

Haha, this is sooo funny. £3M for probably our most underated player (apart from Stephen Davis who i credit with being one of our best and most consistant performers last year) has to be some kind of wind up. Even Les wouldnt fall for this one or be thst daft to sanction this.
Haha, this is sooo funny. £3M for probably our most underated player (apart from Stephen Davis who i credit with being one of our best and most consistant performers last year) has to be some kind of wind up. Even Les wouldnt fall for this one or be thst daft to sanction this. NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.
sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal

l.com/everton-and-so

uthampton-join-race-

to-sign-parma-star/3

3697
Cheers pal, would love this to be true, but not getting my hopes up. More likely his agent pushing for a big money move.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.[/p][/quote]sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal l.com/everton-and-so uthampton-join-race- to-sign-parma-star/3 3697[/p][/quote]Cheers pal, would love this to be true, but not getting my hopes up. More likely his agent pushing for a big money move. TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
LMFAO

You gotta laugh haven't you! There's no point getting angry at a pathetic WUM like you.

How many midfielders do you seriously expect us to keep happy here? Are you really THAT stupid??

We have too many and Jack Cork is the most disposable. Get over it!

You have no clue do you, Gary!

We offered Fonte, Jay Rod and Cork all new deals, the only one that has signed is JOSE FONTE. Go do some research on the FACTS then you might be able to make a sensible judgement... Instead of attacking people who are making sense of the situation!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]LMFAO You gotta laugh haven't you! There's no point getting angry at a pathetic WUM like you. How many midfielders do you seriously expect us to keep happy here? Are you really THAT stupid?? We have too many and Jack Cork is the most disposable. Get over it! You have no clue do you, Gary! We offered Fonte, Jay Rod and Cork all new deals, the only one that has signed is JOSE FONTE. Go do some research on the FACTS then you might be able to make a sensible judgement... Instead of attacking people who are making sense of the situation! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Saintade says...

Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Agree with most of your points but not about Boruc. He is, at best, an average keeper. Made far too many mistakes that cost us games last season doing stupid things. Also, like Kelvin, cannot kick a ball without wellying it into touch, something that really annoys me. If we lost Boruc to injury we'd be back with the unthinkable - Gazzaniga, who is a disaster area as we all saw last season. The goalie is a good move - instills confidence in your defence and is good for 9 points on the board before you even start imo.
[quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of your points but not about Boruc. He is, at best, an average keeper. Made far too many mistakes that cost us games last season doing stupid things. Also, like Kelvin, cannot kick a ball without wellying it into touch, something that really annoys me. If we lost Boruc to injury we'd be back with the unthinkable - Gazzaniga, who is a disaster area as we all saw last season. The goalie is a good move - instills confidence in your defence and is good for 9 points on the board before you even start imo. Saintade
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??
They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ?? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

12:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
notaclue wrote:
On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football.
Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season.
Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays.

Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!!

He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.
The only thing correct about this post is your user name.
Costa , Have a read ...................

http://www.mirror.co




.uk/sport/football/n




ews/southampton-boar




d-cannot-blamed-exod




us-3926519
Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus.


If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff.
By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.
We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league.

The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals.

As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.
Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team.

Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........
If those teams spend £50 million or more on their squad, THEN and only then are they rivals.

We haven't even kicked a ball yet and you're already writing your own tam off. What a great guy you are! #not
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: On balance I think it would be right for him to move to a team that will give him first team football. Lets face it he isn't going to get into our team unless there are injuries, he hasn't been played much in pre-season, and in a 4-3-3 he will get chance this season than last season. Go to CP play every week and have a blast, lets all move on, take our £3m or lose him on a free in 10mths if he stays. Cork will cost us £3m plus wages for 10mths "work" just sat on the bench if he stays!!!!!!!!!! He is a mid fielder who has never scored a goal for Saints in a competative match. Don't get me wrong I like him but there is only one logical thing to do here. Artur is in the same position.[/p][/quote]The only thing correct about this post is your user name.[/p][/quote]Costa , Have a read ................... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Buddy,I read this some time ago, and I read it again then looked at the votes a the bottom, 67% still think that SFC are responsible for the exodus. If Cork and Boruc do leave, it will make 8 players, 7 from our matchday squad plus Sharp, and our entire coaching staff. By anyones standards, that is one almighty exodus and there must be a reason... something we'll all guess at but until they write their biographies we'll probably never know.[/p][/quote]We cannot even contemplate letting Boruc go and, frankly, he shouldn't be rushing off anywhere either because Forster is not nailed on to hit the ground running in this league. The board should remember the fact that 'we don't need to sell anyone' before letting these guys go, probably to potential rivals. As hard as it is to accept, until we have the points on the board, Palace, Leicester and Hull etc are the enemy - you do not strengthen the opposition. I seem to remember us selling Fitz Hall to Palace in 2004 and paying dearly for it.[/p][/quote]Funny thing is, when we were selling our players to liverpool, I said that we should not be adding strength to our rivals whilst weakening our own team. Today, I see see you describe Hull, Leicester, Palace etc...etc... as our rivals and you are absolutely right........[/p][/quote]If those teams spend £50 million or more on their squad, THEN and only then are they rivals. We haven't even kicked a ball yet and you're already writing your own tam off. What a great guy you are! #not SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Saintade says...

insider1234 wrote:
I was upset at first, then I remembered that although Cork is decent, he doesn't change a game enough in terms of chances created. I have been hugely impressed with Isgrove and JWP this preseason and see this as simply a clearing of the path for these guys to come in. Personally I think Isgrove could be the player of the year, have you seen how fast this kid is?
"You don't win anything with kids" Alan Hansen. Never truer words said.
[quote][p][bold]insider1234[/bold] wrote: I was upset at first, then I remembered that although Cork is decent, he doesn't change a game enough in terms of chances created. I have been hugely impressed with Isgrove and JWP this preseason and see this as simply a clearing of the path for these guys to come in. Personally I think Isgrove could be the player of the year, have you seen how fast this kid is?[/p][/quote]"You don't win anything with kids" Alan Hansen. Never truer words said. Saintade
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?
I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.
Mmm, I've heard he's prone to theatrics...
Aah right...can't go by everything you see on YouTube then.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Les and Ron are interested in anyone who hasnt yet signed a contract elswhere. Have the four horsemen of the apocalypse signed contracts yet. I hear they were seen at Anfield. Do any of them play in Central Defence ? ... and what about the three musketeers .. are their contracts up yet?[/p][/quote]I'd rather like to see them going after that Spanish striker, Don Quixote.[/p][/quote]Mmm, I've heard he's prone to theatrics...[/p][/quote]Aah right...can't go by everything you see on YouTube then. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.
Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.
sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal


l.com/everton-and-so


uthampton-join-race-


to-sign-parma-star/3


3697
Cheers pal, would love this to be true, but not getting my hopes up. More likely his agent pushing for a big money move.
No worries mate, yeah it's not conclusive by any means especially with the other teams to choose from. He seems like a quality player like you say, it would be good to get him for only 6 million.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I see the rumour surrounding Saints possibly buying Biabiany is still alive and kicking. He seems like a quality talent.[/p][/quote]Really?? I thought this was dead in the water. What’s your source? I’m 100% that SFC have approached BHFC about Solly March,(who’s a winger) that looks like it will go through in the next few days. Ronald loves his wingers so would be good to get both.[/p][/quote]sure, here it is : http://astralfootbal l.com/everton-and-so uthampton-join-race- to-sign-parma-star/3 3697[/p][/quote]Cheers pal, would love this to be true, but not getting my hopes up. More likely his agent pushing for a big money move.[/p][/quote]No worries mate, yeah it's not conclusive by any means especially with the other teams to choose from. He seems like a quality player like you say, it would be good to get him for only 6 million. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

12:54pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO



OOOOOOOOOOOO!
That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed.
Sorry, I really rate Corky and think we should be trying to tie him up on a 5 year deal not selling him for peanuts. I like Long but £12.5 m, really?
That's not negative, I agree with you on both points.
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO![/p][/quote]That's not a yes then? Very negative indeed.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I really rate Corky and think we should be trying to tie him up on a 5 year deal not selling him for peanuts. I like Long but £12.5 m, really?[/p][/quote]That's not negative, I agree with you on both points. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:55pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Saintade says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
What, that 'meaningless possession football' that brought us one of the most exhilarating seasons of football at Saints I can remember in 35 years and helped us finish in our highest ever position in the Premier league?
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]What, that 'meaningless possession football' that brought us one of the most exhilarating seasons of football at Saints I can remember in 35 years and helped us finish in our highest ever position in the Premier league? Saintade
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??
Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah

(We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol)
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??[/p][/quote]Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah (We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol) SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?
I predict a diet.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?[/p][/quote]I predict a diet. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

12:57pm Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Saintade wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
Agree with most of your points but not about Boruc. He is, at best, an average keeper. Made far too many mistakes that cost us games last season doing stupid things. Also, like Kelvin, cannot kick a ball without wellying it into touch, something that really annoys me. If we lost Boruc to injury we'd be back with the unthinkable - Gazzaniga, who is a disaster area as we all saw last season. The goalie is a good move - instills confidence in your defence and is good for 9 points on the board before you even start imo.
How is Cody Cropper coming along?
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of your points but not about Boruc. He is, at best, an average keeper. Made far too many mistakes that cost us games last season doing stupid things. Also, like Kelvin, cannot kick a ball without wellying it into touch, something that really annoys me. If we lost Boruc to injury we'd be back with the unthinkable - Gazzaniga, who is a disaster area as we all saw last season. The goalie is a good move - instills confidence in your defence and is good for 9 points on the board before you even start imo.[/p][/quote]How is Cody Cropper coming along? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Thu 14 Aug 14

oldsaintsfan says...

£3 m for Cork would be a steal.......Not sure why such a mad idea would be considered by the club....What are they thinking?
£3 m for Cork would be a steal.......Not sure why such a mad idea would be considered by the club....What are they thinking? oldsaintsfan
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Saintade wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11.

He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem.

Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.
If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen
tomorrow they threw their toy out.
As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.
What, that 'meaningless possession football' that brought us one of the most exhilarating seasons of football at Saints I can remember in 35 years and helped us finish in our highest ever position in the Premier league?
We came 8th in 2003 also...

Plus we made an FA Cup final....

THAT was our most successful season to date.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If all of our players had stayed from last season and we had bought that extra striker, goalie and CB and had a team to push for top six - Cork would very much be in my starting 11. He's an amiable lad and yet Reed has failed to get him on board, there are no interpersonal skills there at all and that is the problem. Forster is a great signing. Boruc should start on Sunday. It's really simple we want two top keepers and Boruc has done nothing to lose his place but when he does we now have a quality player to take the shirt. That is how it works - same as Clyne and Chambers last time out. If we drive Boruc out of the club we are back to Kelv and Gaza as understudies so only cover for injuries and suspension and not pushing for the shirt. We will have spent £10m to merely reduce the age of our first choice keeper.[/p][/quote]If all our players (who wanted to leave) stayed last season and we had by some miracle attracted so called 'quality big name players' (something your beloved Cortese had already failed to do) we would have a unmanageable wage bill and an unsustainable future. Cortese sold a lie to those players setting unrealistic expectations of European glory easily lapped up by gullible footballers who didn't care a jot about being part a SFC success story and only served to feed their egos and expectations of 100k a week salaries. When it wasn't going to happen tomorrow they threw their toy out. As for JC I'm as big a fan as anyone but assists/goals scored stats are zero and being amiable is not enough. It looks like he is not part of the plan and the reason is the thing we have lacked over several seasons which is goals from midfield (excepting the boy AL). We now have new signings that have pace and energy and who can finish. Get over it and get behind the team and be glad to see the back of meaningless possession football with no end product.[/p][/quote]What, that 'meaningless possession football' that brought us one of the most exhilarating seasons of football at Saints I can remember in 35 years and helped us finish in our highest ever position in the Premier league?[/p][/quote]We came 8th in 2003 also... Plus we made an FA Cup final.... THAT was our most successful season to date. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 3

1:01pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
My first comment since May. Have I missed anything?

I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money.

As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces.

To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.
Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: My first comment since May. Have I missed anything? I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money. As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces. To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.[/p][/quote]Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Saintade wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
IF you think Wanyama is a better squad player than Jack Cork, then you haven't been going to St Mary's last season. Nutter.
Erm........Yes i most definitely have been going.

YES Wanyama is a better PLAYER full stop. So what if JC can play at right back? He doesn't boss games like Big Vic can do.

Go to specsavers or change your seat, i don't think you can see the pitch
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]IF you think Wanyama is a better squad player than Jack Cork, then you haven't been going to St Mary's last season. Nutter.[/p][/quote]Erm........Yes i most definitely have been going. YES Wanyama is a better PLAYER full stop. So what if JC can play at right back? He doesn't boss games like Big Vic can do. Go to specsavers or change your seat, i don't think you can see the pitch SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Thu 14 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?
Amphetamines on toast.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?[/p][/quote]Amphetamines on toast. george chivers
  • Score: 3

1:02pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Hastagger says...

one word: absolute disgrace!
one word: absolute disgrace! Hastagger
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Looks like we are in for Solly March from Brighton, move out the way Jack.
Looks like we are in for Solly March from Brighton, move out the way Jack. notaclue
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

elvis says...

costa gaz wrote:
elvis wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
We offered him a new contract weeks ago!!

HE TURNED IT DOWN.

Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)?

I rest my case.
Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract?
Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest.

Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.
You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x
Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word.

Actually don't bother.
Why ? Because I happen to disagree with you ? X
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]We offered him a new contract weeks ago!! HE TURNED IT DOWN. Is this really Madness...?? What is the club supposed to do?? Let him stay here another year while we pay him amazing wages to be sat on the bench and then lose him for free? Or move him on now and get the best deal we can and reinvest it in QUALITY players (not average squad players like he is)? I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Try replacing Jack Cork for less than £12m... You really have not got a clue have you legend? And where did you get the top secret info regarding the offer of a new contract? Yes, on this message board last night, you are as gullible as the rest. Please rest your case.... and stop defending the indefensible.[/p][/quote]You just can't help yourself can you Gaz ? All day long it's moan moan ,moan, don't buy him ,don't sell him the board are rubbish,you said yesterday people were having a pop at you this is why !! Legend simply offers his opinion and you just shoot it down because he doesn't agree with you ? I don't agree with you ,this has been on the cards for weeks ,his Dads been stirring it for ages ,he wants first team football ,something that RK won't give him ,I and many others feared the worst on Saturday ,when he was on the bench ,I agree with you that he should be kept ,I personally think he should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet & him & Spyder were one of the best midfield combos in the league ,however Judas & now more importantly Ron don't agree with me ,unlike Lalana ,Loovens & Shaw he's not destined for a champions league team it's the likes of Palace or West Brom .... people (especially you) keep harping on about the 1st team players we have lost ,of the players sold only the 3 already mentioned would have started against Liverpool & now 2 of them are injured.... Corkie is being sold by the club because he is not part of Ron's plans ....whoever gets him,I think will have a bargain ,however it's not another nail in the coffin, it's not the end of the world as all you're posts predict these days ,so stop having a go at everybody who disagrees with you they are only voicing their opinions just like you .Peace x[/p][/quote]Sorry to sound like Osprey, but mat,e you are going to use a bit of punctuation, and spell check.... could not understand a word. Actually don't bother.[/p][/quote]Why ? Because I happen to disagree with you ? X elvis
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

bullsbags says...

saints_alive wrote:
Anyfear wrote:
This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke.

What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!!

Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph.

Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best.

The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen.

It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge.

Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.
And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....
I'd rather have long than Welbeck any day of the week
How he's got so many international caps is beyond me
O silly me he plays for United!
[quote][p][bold]saints_alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anyfear[/bold] wrote: This is going to happen have no doubt ... I have heard how these clowns, RK & RK are now running it and it is nothing short of a joke. What do our supposed leaders know about English football - NOTHING .. proven with paying £12 million for Shane Long - crazy! £12 million pounds!!!!! Hull have laughed us all the way to the bank. £10 million for Forster - a great prospect but Artur is sound for a couple more years - a goalkeeper wasn't the priority!! Selling Chambers who could have been the answer for many years to come at centre half. has really embarrassed the club - absolute lack of homework undertaken by Ron ad Ralph. Cork to go is the icing on the cake .. the guy was a class act year and is better than Wanyama! £3 million pound and no doubt they will spend an inflated fee for someone who is nowhere near as good as him do you really blame Morgan for wanting out - I really don't and I would thank him and wish him all the best. The club is now on a downward spiral and it p***** me right off. Having watched the Leverkusen game we have no system, no formation, at best average players and a Manager with no tactical nous for the English game and possibly the worst dress sense I have ever seen. It is going to be a long season and one I am dreading. For those of you who slag me for my thoughts wake up and smell the coffee - the 4 year highs have come to an abrupt end and will never come back whilst the 2 Ronnies are in charge. Kruger is not fit to run the club and Koeman needs to liven up as well or he may just beat Allardyce to the chop.[/p][/quote]And Hull are tabling a club record offer for Danny Welbeck with the 12M we've offered for Long!! This is well beyond a farce....[/p][/quote]I'd rather have long than Welbeck any day of the week How he's got so many international caps is beyond me O silly me he plays for United! bullsbags
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?
Amphetamines on toast.
Prescription or bootleg?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Lunch is for wimps, what are you having George?[/p][/quote]Amphetamines on toast.[/p][/quote]Prescription or bootleg? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
My first comment since May. Have I missed anything?

I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money.

As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces.

To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.
Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.
Divided?

I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: My first comment since May. Have I missed anything? I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money. As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces. To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.[/p][/quote]Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.[/p][/quote]Divided? I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!! redandy10
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

Hastagger wrote:
one word: absolute disgrace!
That's two words
[quote][p][bold]Hastagger[/bold] wrote: one word: absolute disgrace![/p][/quote]That's two words TGodSFC
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

SaintJD . Priceless ! One of those times when I wish I'd thought of that !!

George - Passion fruit yoghourt for dessert?
SaintJD . Priceless ! One of those times when I wish I'd thought of that !! George - Passion fruit yoghourt for dessert? Alicesdad
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1:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??
Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah

(We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol)
Scored more goals in the Dutch Eredivisie, he's only 23 and is a full international.....on those stats he probably is.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??[/p][/quote]Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah (We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol)[/p][/quote]Scored more goals in the Dutch Eredivisie, he's only 23 and is a full international.....on those stats he probably is. J7junctionseven
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1:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??
Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah

(We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol)
Jordy is pretty clasie
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: They might be making room for Jordy Clasie ??[/p][/quote]Oh my god we can't sign any more players it's too late and he'll be overpriced and he wont be fit for liverpool and blah blah fcuking blah (We don't think we need anymore midfielders but HE would be an exception! But is he better than Cork? Lol)[/p][/quote]Jordy is pretty clasie TGodSFC
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1:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

oldsaintsfan wrote:
£3 m for Cork would be a steal.......Not sure why such a mad idea would be considered by the club....What are they thinking?
Errrrrrrrrb last year of his contract and he won't extend to sit on the bench !
[quote][p][bold]oldsaintsfan[/bold] wrote: £3 m for Cork would be a steal.......Not sure why such a mad idea would be considered by the club....What are they thinking?[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrb last year of his contract and he won't extend to sit on the bench ! Buddy SFC
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1:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Mush On The Beach says...

The top 4 or so teams struggle to keep all their star players happy all the time and have to manage rotations to give them all game time. I guess they have the luxury of European games to assist with this.
If we do not manage to keep Jack Cork then I believe we have failed with our own rotation policy to keep one of our better players happy in a story that does not compare in sordidness with the other recent departures. There may be personal circumstances for his possible leave that have been alluded to on here, but to not have him locked into a long term contract earlier is very disappointing to put it mildly.
The top 4 or so teams struggle to keep all their star players happy all the time and have to manage rotations to give them all game time. I guess they have the luxury of European games to assist with this. If we do not manage to keep Jack Cork then I believe we have failed with our own rotation policy to keep one of our better players happy in a story that does not compare in sordidness with the other recent departures. There may be personal circumstances for his possible leave that have been alluded to on here, but to not have him locked into a long term contract earlier is very disappointing to put it mildly. Mush On The Beach
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1:20pm Thu 14 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

notaclue wrote:
Looks like we are in for Solly March from Brighton, move out the way Jack.
Seen that on Wiki. It says current team Southampton FC in his personal info?? but he's only ever played for Brighton professionally??
Got to be a typo surely.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Looks like we are in for Solly March from Brighton, move out the way Jack.[/p][/quote]Seen that on Wiki. It says current team Southampton FC in his personal info?? but he's only ever played for Brighton professionally?? Got to be a typo surely. J7junctionseven
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1:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
They have tried .....He won't sign to be cover I'm afraid ..............
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]They have tried .....He won't sign to be cover I'm afraid .............. Buddy SFC
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1:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.
They have tried .....He won't sign to be cover I'm afraid ..............
He can cover three positions if necessary, but he shouldn't see himself as cover for the main job - I'd say he's at least on a par with Wanyama as a starter. My thought would be that he, JWP, Victor and Spider if he stays would rotate and alternate in these games depending on what's needed. All fairly similar, but Victor can slot in when more of an enforcer is needed, Cork when you are looking for something a bit more cultured.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Madness. We've cashed in on Chambers and Cork is the best remaining cover for Clyne. So don't take the money, get round the table with him and agree a new contract.[/p][/quote]They have tried .....He won't sign to be cover I'm afraid ..............[/p][/quote]He can cover three positions if necessary, but he shouldn't see himself as cover for the main job - I'd say he's at least on a par with Wanyama as a starter. My thought would be that he, JWP, Victor and Spider if he stays would rotate and alternate in these games depending on what's needed. All fairly similar, but Victor can slot in when more of an enforcer is needed, Cork when you are looking for something a bit more cultured. SaintJD
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1:36pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Tersites says...

Letter of Concern to Southampton Football Club:

Dear Sir / Madam,

I have been a Southampton supporter all my life. I am a season ticket holder, and have been for years. I'm writing to register an official complaint and express my concerns over the player exodus.

I recently received my new season ticket for the forthcoming season, and now feel that this has been misold. If I had known that all my favourite players were to be sold off before the start of the new season: I may have reconsidered.

I am also extremely upset over what I, and many other loyal and passionate Southampton supporters feel, was being lied to. We were assured that there would be no 'fire-sale' and that this is what has now happened. Also, why has our new Manager no control over which players are sold?

We were promised that all monies from sold players would be reinvested. This patently hasn't happened, and with the new season just a few weeks away now, even if new signings are made, how could the new cheap foreign imports Southampton football club seem to be bringing in be gelled into any semblance of a team?

I feel embarrassed at the moment to be a Southampton supporter. I feel upset that I, and all Southampton supporters have been lied to by the board of Directors - that Hockey coach, and Les Reed.

I would really appreciate an expedient reply in addressing the issues above I have highlighted.

From an extremely disillusioned and upset Southampton Season Ticket Holder. I would appreciate an expedient reply.

Your,

Thomas

I recently received my reply from Southampton Football Club in response to my Letter of Concern about the recent sales, and lack of quality signings at the club. I got this in reply:



Dear Thomas,



Thank you for your e-mail.



We do understand that supporters are anxious ahead of the new season due to some players having recently left the Club. However, I would like to assure you that everyone at the Club is working hard to add to our squad, and to continue the development of the team since our promotion back to the Premier League at the end of the 2011/12 season. As our Chairman, Ralph Krueger said to the media on Tuesday, the Club will bring players in to add to our existing squad, and Ryan Bertrand who signed on Wednesday evening was the third of those brought in by our new manager.



I do understand that with the departure of some of the first team members, supporters will seek refunds, however as mentioned by the Board in recent interviews, everyone at the Club is working hard behind the scenes to ensure the team is in a strong position



Kind Regards,



Becky





Customer Services
Southampton FC

Tel: 0845 688 9288

E-mail: Customerservices@sai
ntsfc.co.uk

Selling Jack Cork for £3? I know he only has a year left on his contract, but why can't we get him to sign a new one? He's a fantastic player, and has proven that game in game out. £12m for Shane Long. Nothing against the chap, but %^$$£***!!!!! to that! FOUR GOALS A SEASON???!!! TWELVE MILLION POUNDS???!!!!!

I really, really want to be positive. I really really want Saints to do well. I'll be there at the first game of the season (travelling a long way to get to the match by train and back)...I'll be cheering on OUR team...but Gosh I'm very worried about this coming season....
Letter of Concern to Southampton Football Club: Dear Sir / Madam, I have been a Southampton supporter all my life. I am a season ticket holder, and have been for years. I'm writing to register an official complaint and express my concerns over the player exodus. I recently received my new season ticket for the forthcoming season, and now feel that this has been misold. If I had known that all my favourite players were to be sold off before the start of the new season: I may have reconsidered. I am also extremely upset over what I, and many other loyal and passionate Southampton supporters feel, was being lied to. We were assured that there would be no 'fire-sale' and that this is what has now happened. Also, why has our new Manager no control over which players are sold? We were promised that all monies from sold players would be reinvested. This patently hasn't happened, and with the new season just a few weeks away now, even if new signings are made, how could the new cheap foreign imports Southampton football club seem to be bringing in be gelled into any semblance of a team? I feel embarrassed at the moment to be a Southampton supporter. I feel upset that I, and all Southampton supporters have been lied to by the board of Directors - that Hockey coach, and Les Reed. I would really appreciate an expedient reply in addressing the issues above I have highlighted. From an extremely disillusioned and upset Southampton Season Ticket Holder. I would appreciate an expedient reply. Your, Thomas I recently received my reply from Southampton Football Club in response to my Letter of Concern about the recent sales, and lack of quality signings at the club. I got this in reply: Dear Thomas, Thank you for your e-mail. We do understand that supporters are anxious ahead of the new season due to some players having recently left the Club. However, I would like to assure you that everyone at the Club is working hard to add to our squad, and to continue the development of the team since our promotion back to the Premier League at the end of the 2011/12 season. As our Chairman, Ralph Krueger said to the media on Tuesday, the Club will bring players in to add to our existing squad, and Ryan Bertrand who signed on Wednesday evening was the third of those brought in by our new manager. I do understand that with the departure of some of the first team members, supporters will seek refunds, however as mentioned by the Board in recent interviews, everyone at the Club is working hard behind the scenes to ensure the team is in a strong position Kind Regards, Becky Customer Services Southampton FC Tel: 0845 688 9288 E-mail: Customerservices@sai ntsfc.co.uk Selling Jack Cork for £3? I know he only has a year left on his contract, but why can't we get him to sign a new one? He's a fantastic player, and has proven that game in game out. £12m for Shane Long. Nothing against the chap, but %^$$£***!!!!! to that! FOUR GOALS A SEASON???!!! TWELVE MILLION POUNDS???!!!!! I really, really want to be positive. I really really want Saints to do well. I'll be there at the first game of the season (travelling a long way to get to the match by train and back)...I'll be cheering on OUR team...but Gosh I'm very worried about this coming season.... Tersites
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1:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
My first comment since May. Have I missed anything?

I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money.

As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces.

To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.
Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.
Divided?

I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!!
If there's a minority who aren't very concerned, then the fans are obviously divided.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: My first comment since May. Have I missed anything? I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money. As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces. To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.[/p][/quote]Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.[/p][/quote]Divided? I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!![/p][/quote]If there's a minority who aren't very concerned, then the fans are obviously divided. Rising_Son
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1:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
My first comment since May. Have I missed anything?

I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money.

As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces.

To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.
Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.
Divided?

I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!!
If there's a minority who aren't very concerned, then the fans are obviously divided.
Slightly concerned only because as I've shown we might like him and want him to stay but we certainly do not NEED him as a matter of survival.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: My first comment since May. Have I missed anything? I rate Jack Cork very highly. I'd love him to stay. Despite that, I do acknowledge that, no matter how good you are as a negotiator, no matter what you offer to someone, there is no way of forcing someone to sign a contract (short of the Don Corleone "Either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" method). Sometimes you just can't offer enough to make someone stay and it's not always a matter of money. As an example, if (and I mean IF) JC were demanding first team starting line up football, that might be something the club aren't willing to give; it's not just a case of throwing money in their faces. To extrapolate from one, unwitnessed, negotiation that the people carrying it out are useless is folly.[/p][/quote]Welcome back, you have been truly missed. Not a lot happened on the positive front though, the neggies have been having a great time, with lots of imagined negativity. It's a fairly divided train of thought on the Corky front.[/p][/quote]Divided? I think the MAJORITY are very concerned!!![/p][/quote]If there's a minority who aren't very concerned, then the fans are obviously divided.[/p][/quote]Slightly concerned only because as I've shown we might like him and want him to stay but we certainly do not NEED him as a matter of survival. jls217
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1:43pm Thu 14 Aug 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

The fact is Saints are digging our heals in on keeping Morgan. If he is staying then we would have Wanayama, Read, JWP, Davis and need to h