Second consortium ready to buy Saints (From Daily Echo)

bumblysaint wrote:
For God's sake just accept the ten points make our club safe and put us out of our misery. Sometimes it's hell being a Saints diehard but your heart won't let you be anything else. In an ideal world you might want to carry on the fight, we just want our club safe, get on with it and get the deal done and dusted, please.

pawnsacrifice wrote:
Please don't let this chancer back through the door. Please pinnacle just take the -10 points and let's get on with it, people are getting annoyed with you already and you haven't even taken over yet

pawnsacrifice wrote:
Please don't let this chancer back through the door.

Please pinnacle just take the -10 points and let's get on with it, people are getting annoyed with you already and you haven't even taken over yet

pawnsacrifice wrote:
Thia has turned into a pi55ing contest between pinnacle and the league. You seem to forget that LC admitted that SLH had set up to try and 'bend' a loop hole in the rules. We got found out. Take it like men and stop bleating about it. The FL are not going to change their mind or every man and his dog will be trying to get their points reductions reversed. Surely anyone with half a brain can see that

simon101 wrote:
There is contact us section on the football league web site. I have written to complain about this no appeal policy, suggest a few more do the same and put some pressure to bear on them. Simon Bahrain

Bitterne Park Tim wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:
Please don't let this chancer back through the door. Please pinnacle just take the -10 points and let's get on with it, people are getting annoyed with you already and you haven't even taken over yet

Why Take 10 points? That is pathetic, they should be allowed to appeal and any owner that does not want to appeal should not own this club!

tauntonsaint wrote:
The Sky Sports report states that the Football League required Pinnacle to sign a piece of paper promising not to appeal against the point deduction before they would accept the takeover. This is, in any language, blackmail, and is disgraceful and an affront to any kind of natural law in a democracy. They are acting like a Mafia gang or some kind of Medieval despot. Yes, we may lose that appeal, as in any court in the land, and abide by that decision, but to deny the basic right of appeal in such a way is deplorable and inexcusable.

mrmenontour wrote:
So why should your club not lose 10 points then just because new owners are trying to get the club. New owners at Luton had to stomach 30 points so think yourselves lucky. What makes you lot so special i dont know. I hope Pinnacle make it difficult for the league cos that will definately make your punishment more severe. YOU AINT A BIG(ISH) CLUB ANYMORE.

mrmenontour wrote:
So why should your club not lose 10 points then just because new owners are trying to get the club. New owners at Luton had to stomach 30 points so think yourselves lucky. What makes you lot so special i dont know. I hope Pinnacle make it difficult for the league cos that will definately make your punishment more severe. YOU AINT A BIG(ISH) CLUB ANYMORE.

miltongirl wrote:
I've just e mailed the FA pointing out that in free society man has the right of appeal and asking them to reconsider this 'head in the sand' attitude etc etc. It's a very easy link to use and I appeal to everyone to add their voice. The louder we shout (in a controlled way) then the FA will be forced to listen!

mrmenontour wrote:
So why should your club not lose 10 points then just because new owners are trying to get the club. New owners at Luton had to stomach 30 points so think yourselves lucky. What makes you lot so special i dont know. I hope Pinnacle make it difficult for the league cos that will definately make your punishment more severe. YOU AINT A BIG(ISH) CLUB ANYMORE.

bumblysaint wrote:
For God's sake just accept the ten points make our club safe and put us out of our misery. Sometimes it's hell being a Saints diehard but your heart won't let you be anything else. In an ideal world you might want to carry on the fight, we just want our club safe, get on with it and get the deal done and dusted, please.

robhythe wrote:

mrmenontour wrote:
So why should your club not lose 10 points then just because new owners are trying to get the club. New owners at Luton had to stomach 30 points so think yourselves lucky. What makes you lot so special i dont know. I hope Pinnacle make it difficult for the league cos that will definately make your punishment more severe. YOU AINT A BIG(ISH) CLUB ANYMORE.

get up to date !!!

mrmenontour wrote:
Deal with it YOU ARE DOOMED. All this whining about the points deduction is just another way of the consortium pulling out and blaming someone else. "if we lose points we dont want the club" like a 5 year old saying "its my ball and im going home". Now just how long did they have to pull this fast one. You will all be sorry you listened to them. Just wait and see.

mrmenontour wrote:
Now Now then theres no need to be so bitter just cos the truth is hitting home. FACE IT YOU ARE JUST DOOMED DIV 3 RUBBISH.

mrmenontour wrote:
Now Now then theres no need to be so bitter just cos the truth is hitting home. FACE IT YOU ARE JUST DOOMED DIV 3 RUBBISH.

mrmenontour wrote:
So why should your club not lose 10 points then just because new owners are trying to get the club. New owners at Luton had to stomach 30 points so think yourselves lucky. What makes you lot so special i dont know. I hope Pinnacle make it difficult for the league cos that will definately make your punishment more severe. YOU AINT A BIG(ISH) CLUB ANYMORE.

DorsetSaint wrote:
posted this on the other thred as well but the 10 points is the smoke screen, the real problem is Pinancle are buying assets not SLH and not paying the full debt value.
the FL want to see all the debt paid despite the fact the creditors are happy with say 40p in the £
If they accept the deal then the arguement over the 10 points is lost as it proves SLH and SFC are two seperate entities.
I've said it before SLH won't have a CVA as it will be wound up and no longer exist, SFC don't need a CVA as they have never been in admin.
The FL have just realised this when Pinancle applied for the transfer which they couldn't do until all the other legal hoops had been crossed,
No one else will be buying the club under the FL eyes as they would have to pay the full value of the debt and buy SLH.
Monday is the biggest day in the clubs history and it could well be the end of the club as effectively the club will have no value.

urban moth wrote:
To the Football League at fl@football-league.c o.uk Dear Sirs Your persecution of Southampton FC beggars belief. The fact that it's probably not personal makes your decision making even more crass. How exactly do you think your activities are helping that football club to survive, and what message do you think you are sending to prospective purchasers of future clubs that will undoubtedly need rescuing in the current economic climate. You are playing games with an entire city's footballing community, heritage and history. Shame on you and I only hope that someone has the bravery, nous and money to bully you back. Mr. Mulwhinny - as a former politician, I would love to be able to 'forensically investigate' your expenses accounts. Are you sure you are fireproof?

Stafford Saint wrote:
Out of the frying pan ... Some people got what they wanted in the removal of Lowe and we are now seeing the complications that arise in the administration scenario. Creditors, purchasers, League all to be juggled and cajoled. Seems better to have stuck with the previous board until someone bought enough shares to take over the board? Like the normal way of doing things. Like was done a few years back.

SaintRachel wrote:
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New message from Tony Lynam- Sat 20th June
League One Southampton
by saint_lambden (U13781121) 20 June 2009

comment on the article

Hello guys

A brief message by request to clarify something which some people may be misunderstanding.

There is an outstanding matter with the Football League regarding a clause we are being asked to sign which affects our membership status to the league itself. Given the difference of opinion, no agreement was reach by the close of play yesterday, and consequently the exclusivity agreement expired (by date). That will be taken up again on Monday with the lawyers as the terms of the agreement to my mind have not been fulfilled - by the other side, so whether the agreement expired or not may make no difference. We have met our conditions, and will continue to do so.

The membership to the Football League is clearly a requirement to participate in the game. As I explained to a colleague yesterday, you would not buy a Pub without a liquor license, so in the same way, you would not buy a football stadium if you couldn't play a game in it. Its as simple as that.

I understand that the Football League will be reviewing the position on Monday in light of what we have discussed in private, so whilst it is perhaps easier to say, be patient, and don't "blame" the Football League nor Administrators, we all need to work together to achieve a successful outcome for all concerned. I clearly only care about one thing, putting the right people in charge of the Club. But we are all professionals and need to maintain our professionalism in order that this matter is resolved in a timely fashion - and it will be.

There are a couple of legal issues which came to light over the last couple of days - information which we were previously not aware of. I don't believe that these will be difficult to resolve, rather just a couple of issues that need to be put to bed the by lawyers.

Have a nice weekend - and don't worry, we'll have these issues out of the way very shortly.

Kind regards
Tony

Stafford Saint wrote:
The FL might be acting a bit underhand, or at least not explaining themselves well. To them we are a club in administration. We have a holding company that virtually all (if not all) of its business is playing football. If we had not cleared away all the other businesses then perhaps we could use them as the excuse for the holdings company's problems. The organisational structure what set up for various reasons not just to prevent this scenario of points being docked.
I simply cannot see how fans cannot accept what is coming to us. We watch our club disintergrate. Rip up the ownership rights of dozens of owners and then try to get new owners and get creditors to accept less money. And then play in the League under the name Southampton fc and take its place. AND we cannot accept the FL docking us 10points for it. Some fans elsewhere are sympathetic, others will probably think we should count ourselves lucky

edin_saint wrote:
One other avenue to explore is to put pressure on the Football League via their sponsors, Coca Cola. On their website, Coca Cola say that they have a commitment to integrity and accountability. I believe that the League is not behaving with integrity here by asking the potential new owners to waive their right to appeal this penalty. I think most of us have got used to starting the season (rightly or wrongly) on minus 10pts, but that should not mean that we waive our right to appeal. So, I suggest you also make your feelings known to Coca Cola, pointing out that the League is bahaving in a way that is at odds with their core values. Adding pressure on the Football League from as many angles as possible. I can't find an email address for the corporate sponsorship dept, but their address is: Coca-Cola Great Britain, 1 Queen Caroline Street, Hammersmith, London, W6 9HQ.

mastershot100 wrote:
It's like supporting Royston Vasey Fc.in The League of Gentlemen.

mattletisser is god wrote:
after reading all the posts I decided to send this to the FL. would like to complain about your treatment of Southampton Football Club. By all reports via the media, your are refusing to sanction the new owners of the football club until they agree to wavier their right to appeal. Now as we are all well aware that the basis of British Society is based on freedom of speech and the right to question decisions made. It is a fundamental right of all people living /working in this country that right. Your refusal to allow that basic right is an affront to all basic laws of this country, and can also be legally challenged. In its rawest form it is no more than bullying and blackmail. The Sky Sports report states that the Football League required Pinnacle to sign a piece of paper promising not to appeal against the point deduction before they would accept the takeover. This is, in any language, blackmail, and is disgraceful and an affront to any kind of natural law in a democracy. Also it is stated in business house that Southampton FC is not in administration. Southampton Football Club Limited. Formed 12 July 1897. Company Number 53301. According to Companies House not in receivership or administration. Not dead yet and never will be. Southampton Leisure Holdings plc created to make money from other sources through their subsidiaries like Southampton Insurance Services (before they were sold). I would also like to request for the resignation of your chairman, Lord Mawhinny, due to unprofessional attitude and old school bullying tactics. How unprofessional to laugh at the demise/ downfall of any club within his organisation. The FL was set up to protect and look after football clubs, not to persecute and hinder them. No organisation should allow this behaviour from its figure head.

mattletisser is god wrote: after reading all the posts I decided to send this to the FL. would like to complain about your treatment of Southampton Football Club. By all reports via the media, your are refusing to sanction the new owners of the football club until they agree to wavier their right to appeal. Now as we are all well aware that the basis of British Society is based on freedom of speech and the right to question decisions made. It is a fundamental right of all people living /working in this country that right. Your refusal to allow that basic right is an affront to all basic laws of this country, and can also be legally challenged. In its rawest form it is no more than bullying and blackmail. The Sky Sports report states that the Football League required Pinnacle to sign a piece of paper promising not to appeal against the point deduction before they would accept the takeover. This is, in any language, blackmail, and is disgraceful and an affront to any kind of natural law in a democracy. Also it is stated in business house that Southampton FC is not in administration. Southampton Football Club Limited. Formed 12 July 1897. Company Number 53301. According to Companies House not in receivership or administration. Not dead yet and never will be. Southampton Leisure Holdings plc created to make money from other sources through their subsidiaries like Southampton Insurance Services (before they were sold). I would also like to request for the resignation of your chairman, Lord Mawhinny, due to unprofessional attitude and old school bullying tactics. How unprofessional to laugh at the demise/ downfall of any club within his organisation. The FL was set up to protect and look after football clubs, not to persecute and hinder them. No organisation should allow this behaviour from its figure head.

mattletisser is god wrote:
also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

tauntonsaint wrote:

mastershot100 wrote: It's like supporting Royston Vasey Fc.in The League of Gentlemen.

This is a local website for local people - there's nothing for you here.

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

weh8pompey wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

mastershot100 wrote: It's like supporting Royston Vasey Fc.in The League of Gentlemen.

This is a local website for local people - there's nothing for you here.

ha ha ha,i think he joking mate.besides taunton?hardly local is it.

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

weh8pompey wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

mastershot100 wrote: It's like supporting Royston Vasey Fc.in The League of Gentlemen.

This is a local website for local people - there's nothing for you here.

ha ha ha,i think he joking mate.besides taunton?hardly local is it.

miltongirl wrote:
I've just e mailed the FA pointing out that in free society man has the right of appeal and asking them to reconsider this 'head in the sand' attitude etc etc. It's a very easy link to use and I appeal to everyone to add their voice. The louder we shout (in a controlled way) then the FA will be forced to listen!

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

NewForestStu wrote:
Please go away Mr Jackson, i know beggars cannot be choosers but i really don't want you to have anything to do with the club.

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

robhythe wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

I think he is just making the point that there are different levels of support and doesnt want to be patronised! You get the same differences at every club in this country ! In my opinion Saints have a very good support! So lets be proud of it!! Ive lived in the north and its no different there than here with fickle fans etc!!!

SimonSimple wrote:
Let's get the definitions correct. 1. Fan - belongs to a fanbase of totally committed people who will do anything and everything to make their club a success. 2. Supporter - will support the team (usually in the good times), attend the more attractive games, and support the fans by singing and cheering the team 3. Follower - reads the Echo's reports, buys club kit, raves about the club (when results are good)but rarely watches a game unless it's on TV or in the pub. So you can easily follow, say, Barcelona, and never leave Portswood. In my estimation, SFC have 5000 fans, 15000 supporters and 25000 followers.

robhythe wrote:

SimonSimple wrote: Let's get the definitions correct. 1. Fan - belongs to a fanbase of totally committed people who will do anything and everything to make their club a success. 2. Supporter - will support the team (usually in the good times), attend the more attractive games, and support the fans by singing and cheering the team 3. Follower - reads the Echo's reports, buys club kit, raves about the club (when results are good)but rarely watches a game unless it's on TV or in the pub. So you can easily follow, say, Barcelona, and never leave Portswood. In my estimation, SFC have 5000 fans, 15000 supporters and 25000 followers.

pretty good then!! You should work for wiki!!

robhythe wrote:

SimonSimple wrote: Let's get the definitions correct. 1. Fan - belongs to a fanbase of totally committed people who will do anything and everything to make their club a success. 2. Supporter - will support the team (usually in the good times), attend the more attractive games, and support the fans by singing and cheering the team 3. Follower - reads the Echo's reports, buys club kit, raves about the club (when results are good)but rarely watches a game unless it's on TV or in the pub. So you can easily follow, say, Barcelona, and never leave Portswood. In my estimation, SFC have 5000 fans, 15000 supporters and 25000 followers.

pretty good then!! You should work for wiki!!

robhythe wrote:
i think the support has suffered yes! There is quality support though! If you dont have faith then support someone else!

Linesman wrote:
Saints and their supporters are a bit like the village shop! It has lots of customers, but they only go in to buy a newspaper, then drive off to Sainsburys or Tesco to do their real shopping. When the village shop goes bust and closes down, all the village complain because the local store has closed. Village shops need Quality Customers as well!

Linesman wrote:
Saints and their supporters are a bit like the village shop! It has lots of customers, but they only go in to buy a newspaper, then drive off to Sainsburys or Tesco to do their real shopping. When the village shop goes bust and closes down, all the village complain because the local store has closed. Village shops need Quality Customers as well!

robhythe wrote:

Linesman wrote: Saints and their supporters are a bit like the village shop! It has lots of customers, but they only go in to buy a newspaper, then drive off to Sainsburys or Tesco to do their real shopping. When the village shop goes bust and closes down, all the village complain because the local store has closed. Village shops need Quality Customers as well!

and village shops are closing all over the country

saintrooty wrote:
im fed up with all this bullsh*t about this fan that fan you're not as commited as me. I love SFC, If i could do anything more than show up to the games I CAN AFFORD to go I would. Ok, I co-organised Saints Aid but thats only because I had the time to. Im pretty sure there are far more than 5000 "die hard" fans. It seems to be there are 5000 fans that can afford to buy the season ticket, spend a big wedge on match days, buy the latest shirts, go to the away games ect.... My point is that there is no question of people's passion for the club. It just seems to some people that if you cant throw £100's into it your not as passionate as those that can. I am one of those that cant and still really could afford to go to the games I went to last season so back off a bit. Passion isnt about what you can afford to throw at it.

saintrooty wrote:
im fed up with all this bullsh*t about this fan that fan you're not as commited as me. I love SFC, If i could do anything more than show up to the games I CAN AFFORD to go I would. Ok, I co-organised Saints Aid but thats only because I had the time to. Im pretty sure there are far more than 5000 "die hard" fans. It seems to be there are 5000 fans that can afford to buy the season ticket, spend a big wedge on match days, buy the latest shirts, go to the away games ect.... My point is that there is no question of people's passion for the club. It just seems to some people that if you cant throw £100's into it your not as passionate as those that can. I am one of those that cant and still really could afford to go to the games I went to last season so back off a bit. Passion isnt about what you can afford to throw at it.

SimonSimple wrote:

saintrooty wrote: im fed up with all this bullsh*t about this fan that fan you're not as commited as me. I love SFC, If i could do anything more than show up to the games I CAN AFFORD to go I would. Ok, I co-organised Saints Aid but thats only because I had the time to. Im pretty sure there are far more than 5000 "die hard" fans. It seems to be there are 5000 fans that can afford to buy the season ticket, spend a big wedge on match days, buy the latest shirts, go to the away games ect.... My point is that there is no question of people's passion for the club. It just seems to some people that if you cant throw £100's into it your not as passionate as those that can. I am one of those that cant and still really could afford to go to the games I went to last season so back off a bit. Passion isnt about what you can afford to throw at it.

I would classify you as being somewhere between a follower and a supporter. Did you consider buying a £10 ticket for the 'Save Our Saints' game? If so, you're a supporter. Did you buy one? If so you're a fan. After all, £10 isn't a lot of money for the game but only 1200 decided to attend. Remember, there was no association with Lowe anymore, so that couldn't have been used as an excuse. The club can't exist at a top standard without the input of cash from it's fans. So a non-spending fan is as much use as a duck house for ducks on Rupert's estate !

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

get real. If it means turning up to a charity match to save Southampton or my kid having a new pair of shoes for school...guess what I am going to chose. Yes I have supported Saints for 30 years. Travelled all over the country supporting them but as someone put on here, it's football..not life or death.

robhythe wrote:
more than 1200 would have gone, in my opinion people are permenately waiting for things to change and alot would have bought tickets late! (like me) You must be the boring person on here along with linesman!!

adam1981 wrote:
mandaric?

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

Linesman wrote:

charleyfarley wrote:

tauntonsaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

pawnsacrifice wrote:

Linesman wrote:

mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

get real. If it means turning up to a charity match to save Southampton or my kid having a new pair of shoes for school...guess what I am going to chose. Yes I have supported Saints for 30 years. Travelled all over the country supporting them but as someone put on here, it's football..not life or death.

In which case you can't complain if the club goes out of business. I agree that children's shoes taking priority over football, but they must be heavy on shoes if that is a weekly expense! There are beer-swilling, cigarette smoking 'supporters' who are also making the same argument, but unwilling to give up either beer or fags to help save the club! Earlier saintrooty of Gosport said, "At this moment in time we need everyone with a voice, not a fat wallet." What has been needed is for those voices to have been heard inside SMS, having paid their admission, not wailing because someone else has not done something.

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mattletisser is god wrote: also i had a thought this morning. If Pinnacle cant challange it why cant we as a fan base not see what we could do legally about it. Therefore the club would not be in trouble as it is a external llegal challange, and we as supporters cannont be deducted points for a legal challange. Just a thought.

Fan base? What fan base? What 'fan base' turned up for the protest at St Mary's yesterday? What 'fan base' bought tickets for the match to raise money to save Saints, and had to be cancelled because of a lack of interest? What 'fan base' caused the club to close the corners of the ground, through lack of interest? If Matt Le Tissier is God, then I would suggest that the non-believers are in the majority!

He's got a point. Personally I didn't turn out because I don't live any near Southampton and times are tough money wise. Don't know what everybody else's excuses were mind! lazy-shoe...yeah couldn't have said it better myself

Like you, pawnsacrifice, the vast majority of the supposed 'fan base' always have a very good reason why someone else should 'do something' but why, much as they would like to help, they just can't make it! That is the main reason why the club has been on the slide for the past decade or more. Everyone wanting someone else to do something and the 'dedicated supporters' split into groups rather than presenting a united front. Unless these 'dedicated, Saints 'til I die' fans present a united front and get behind the club and the team, whoever takes over the club has a tough task.

Please don't start- at this time of all times we need to pull together. I bought a ticket for the all-stars match, but ended up writing to LM offering free advertising in the west country after very quickly realising it was struggling. The whole event was very poorly organised, very few people were confirmed, it was almost as if it was left to organise itself and there was no momentum at all. Anyone who has ever organised an event (and I've done loads)knows that is a recipe for failure. I have since suggested that we hold it in conjunction with a pre-season friendly eg. the morning of the Ajax friendly but have had no reply. There are ways and ways of doing things. The final 3 home games of last season showed what happens when there is a call to arms, the attendances were way up and loads of fans have contributed money. Come on everyone, a new dawn is upon us, let's leave the dark night behind us for good.

As Bomber would have said "Barry I likes it"!

OK Taunton, so you bought a ticket, but the majority of 'Southampton 'til I Die' did not! Instead of getting off their backsides to do something to help save their club, they sat on their backsides, in front of a screen, telling everyone else to do something. Until the majority are prepared to do something themselves, instead of telling others what they should be doing, the new owners - whoever they may be - will be faced with similar problems a couple of years down the line. To paraphrase JFK. "Do not ask what the club can do for me, ask me what I can do for the club"! If fans adopt that attitude, then SFC will be on the road to recovery!

When we have quite finished our bragging right contest can we reread what taunton is saying. The past is gone the future hangs in the balance but there appears to be a future ! lets move on and please remember support is manifest in many different ways. Any one who has attended games or brought merchandise is a supporter. Any one who buys their kids or themselves a kit or whatever but never attends a game are supporters. There are extremes to all things but please dont knock back fans because they may not be quite so commited as others,as they all count in the end!!

I am not bragging, just pointing out the obvious! If, as you say, anyone who buys their kids or themselve a kit, but never attends a game, is a supporter, then you have given the reason why the club is in its current state! It needs attendance figures that encourage businesses to advertise on their big screen and in the programme. If these 'kit buying fans' do not show, then they do not buy a programme or a half-time drink etc etc which all helps to pay the club's bills. I'm afraid that the old saying, 'talk is cheap' is very true, but running a football club is not, which is why I say that it is no good just 'Saying' you are a Saints supporter, you need to do something to 'Show' that you are one - and that means a bit more than wearing the shirt!

get real. If it means turning up to a charity match to save Southampton or my kid having a new pair of shoes for school...guess what I am going to chose. Yes I have supported Saints for 30 years. Travelled all over the country supporting them but as someone put on here, it's football..not life or death.

In which case you can't complain if the club goes out of business. I agree that children's shoes taking priority over football, but they must be heavy on shoes if that is a weekly expense! There are beer-swilling, cigarette smoking 'supporters' who are also making the same argument, but unwilling to give up either beer or fags to help save the club! Earlier saintrooty of Gosport said, "At this moment in time we need everyone with a voice, not a fat wallet." What has been needed is for those voices to have been heard inside SMS, having paid their admission, not wailing because someone else has not done something.

Don't be ridculous you pillock. Children's shoes are an example are you to dim to see that? It's a football club. Other things take priority.