O'Driscoll hails "priceless" Sharp (From Daily Echo)
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Billy Sharp's former boss Sean O'Driscoll backs the striker to be a St Mary's success
10:30am Friday 3rd February 2012 in Sport
SEAN O’Driscoll has hailed Saints’ new signing Billy Sharp as “priceless” and the “most indispensable striker” he has ever managed.
The 25-year-old is set to make his debut for Nigel Adkins’ side in tomorrow’s visit to promotion rivals Birmingham, having signed from Doncaster in a £1.8m deal earlier this week.
O’Driscoll, who brought Sharp to the Keepmoat Stadium, is confident the player can help Saints reach the Premier League.
“Billy has been probably the most indispensable striker I have ever worked with,” said O’Driscoll. “Billy’s a goalscorer and ultimately those are priceless.
“Saints are a good fit, and it is a club that has massive potential to consolidate itself back in the Premier Division.”
For the full in-depth interview, pick up a copy of today's Daily Echo.
Comments(101)
Dickosfc
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10:44am Fri 3 Feb 12
Can't wait to see Billy play, got a real good feeling about him and Lambert, and of course Lee. We need a little more balls in front of goal. We seemed to want to walk it in on tuesday night. Confident thats all going to get back to normal. COYRs
Confucious
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10:47am Fri 3 Feb 12
Two suggestions are:
Tactics - play a 1-10 'Fortress' formation. All ten players outfield players form a closed 'huddle' around the ball - each within striking distance of it, yet shielding it, thus keeping within the rules. The Fortress then slowly moves upfield and into the opposition goal.
Selection - the 'Jumbly Factor'. Bring in Dave, the 29 stone bloke who was featured in ITV's 'Britain's fattest Man' documentary. The programme showed how the jab on his stomach could envelop an entire football. Thus Kelvin gives the ball to Dave, who envelops it in his giant fat fold and then walks into the opposition goal, lifts his jab up and the ball dops in.
I see no rules broken here - though no doubt the purist pundits will gripe at half time on TV, especially about Dave.
Nigel is unlikely to acknowledge my assistance in all of this, but I care not - results are what matters.
COYR.
oldsaint57
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11:22am Fri 3 Feb 12
Regards
Dave
SaintBen
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11:29am Fri 3 Feb 12
Confucious wrote:Quality!! :-)
Good luck Billy, but this will be a tough match and I have written to Nigel to say that in these critical times we need more lateral thinking and innovation in both our tactics and team selection for away matches.
Two suggestions are:
Tactics - play a 1-10 'Fortress' formation. All ten players outfield players form a closed 'huddle' around the ball - each within striking distance of it, yet shielding it, thus keeping within the rules. The Fortress then slowly moves upfield and into the opposition goal.
Selection - the 'Jumbly Factor'. Bring in Dave, the 29 stone bloke who was featured in ITV's 'Britain's fattest Man' documentary. The programme showed how the jab on his stomach could envelop an entire football. Thus Kelvin gives the ball to Dave, who envelops it in his giant fat fold and then walks into the opposition goal, lifts his jab up and the ball dops in.
I see no rules broken here - though no doubt the purist pundits will gripe at half time on TV, especially about Dave.
Nigel is unlikely to acknowledge my assistance in all of this, but I care not - results are what matters.
COYR.
mbetts
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11:35am Fri 3 Feb 12
OSPREYSAINT
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11:36am Fri 3 Feb 12
oldsaint57 wrote:Not bothered by Inflation then?
Unfortunately I cannot help this weekend as I have a prior engagement as a bouncy castle
Regards
Dave
Sfctrucker
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11:39am Fri 3 Feb 12
Confucious
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11:39am Fri 3 Feb 12
oldsaint57 wrote:Liar!
Unfortunately I cannot help this weekend as I have a prior engagement as a bouncy castle
Regards
Dave
Sign up before the 12 noon deadline and it's a grand a week and all the pies you can eat.
alan.of.eastleigh
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11:45am Fri 3 Feb 12
Sussex Saint
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11:48am Fri 3 Feb 12
puppy saint
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12:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12
..........
"Billy Sharp signed for The Saints. He got his ticket for the bus/boat/this weeks fashionable mode of transport (delete as appropriate) from Mr. Cortese. He might be relatively short in stature but he has a shot like a cannon ball, apparently, and according to reports he isn't lazy.".
I know it's a solo for the oboe but I think it works rather well.
RedArmy1
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12:12pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Rickie is brilliant !!
Together and also using the other Strikers I am looking forward to slicing teams apart and getting lots of goals.
You can tear up the form book now that we have Billy Sharp... and if we put out our strongest side ... I think we will go back to the TOP and stay there for the rest of the Season.
WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.
COYR
Costa Baz
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12:12pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Brum are unbeaten at home and have only conceded 6 goals there, so will be a very difficult place to go and get a win.
Will Chaplow be back? NA was asked, in his latest interview, about Chappers' and Jos' fitness, and although happy to confirm Jos would not be ready for Saturday, NA never said a word about Chaplow.
I'm hoping that means he is under consideration.
RedArmy1
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12:25pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Costa Baz wrote:Fair One Costa Baz ...
TBH I'd happily settle for a draw on Saturday.
Brum are unbeaten at home and have only conceded 6 goals there, so will be a very difficult place to go and get a win.
Will Chaplow be back? NA was asked, in his latest interview, about Chappers' and Jos' fitness, and although happy to confirm Jos would not be ready for Saturday, NA never said a word about Chaplow.
I'm hoping that means he is under consideration.
ALWAYS GOTTA GO FOR THE WIN !!!
Chaplow if available to add that bite in midfield ...
RED ARMY. COYR
RedArmy1
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12:31pm Fri 3 Feb 12
They would be happy if everyone went to St Mary's and sat in silence ...
I AM BLAMING THEM IN PART FOR FLATTENING THE FOOTBALL ATMOSPHERE ....
We have passionate supporters - so my call is to let the Supporters do their thing in supporting the Number One Side in the South.
RED ARMY. FIGHT AND WIN.
RedArmy1
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12:49pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Referee will call this one !
COYR.
BlandfordSaint
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12:55pm Fri 3 Feb 12
rtin,Fox,Punch,Spide
r,Chappers,Adam,Bill
y,Rickie
Subs Dan Cork Lee Bart De Ridder
COYR
Folkestone Saint
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1:01pm Fri 3 Feb 12
franiow
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1:02pm Fri 3 Feb 12
DisplacedFan
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1:06pm Fri 3 Feb 12
St Retford
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1:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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1:23pm Fri 3 Feb 12
oldsaint57 wrote:No worries, Rickie can do it!
Unfortunately I cannot help this weekend as I have a prior engagement as a bouncy castle Regards Dave
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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1:36pm Fri 3 Feb 12
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
Allotment man 66
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1:37pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Beware Birmingham we are coming for you.
Saints will live forever and a day
C.O.Y.R.
Confucious
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2:04pm Fri 3 Feb 12
puppy saint wrote:Good call, but I find it much more exciting with the horn.
To the tune of Benjamin Britten's 'Six Metamorphoses after Ovid (1951)'.............
..........
"Billy Sharp signed for The Saints. He got his ticket for the bus/boat/this weeks fashionable mode of transport (delete as appropriate) from Mr. Cortese. He might be relatively short in stature but he has a shot like a cannon ball, apparently, and according to reports he isn't lazy.".
I know it's a solo for the oboe but I think it works rather well.
Confucious
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2:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Will the skates be disinfected before the kicking or will facilities be made available for disinfecting our boots/shoes/winkle pickers afterwards?
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
If neither is the case, would it be possible for my cocker spaniel, Fenton, to chase a large group of skates round the pitch perimeter, giving them a 150 yard start - huge crowd to shout 'FENTON! FENTON! JESUS CHRIST FENTON' in attempt to control the very naughty boy.
Footso
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2:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Nice idea, Seed, particularly the Celebrity Skate Bash. With all due respect to RA1 and J7 though, I think if I was an overseas fan, I would rather make a special trip, to do the kicking myself. My dilemma would be; Claridge of Dinenage?
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
ToastyTea
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2:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12
seventh-junction
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2:36pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Fantastic idea Mr Seed!!
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
Will I need need to buy a new pair of "steellies" or will they be provided prior to the kicking event?
COYR
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:51pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Confucious wrote:After what your "lucky snorkel" went through last night I think we should have a before and after disinfect, can't be too careful.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"? A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting? Just a thought, only trying to help.Will the skates be disinfected before the kicking or will facilities be made available for disinfecting our boots/shoes/winkle pickers afterwards? If neither is the case, would it be possible for my cocker spaniel, Fenton, to chase a large group of skates round the pitch perimeter, giving them a 150 yard start - huge crowd to shout 'FENTON! FENTON! JESUS CHRIST FENTON' in attempt to control the very naughty boy.
I was going to invite Fenton to the follow up event, "pi$$ on a skate".
Costa Baz
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2:55pm Fri 3 Feb 12
RedArmy1 wrote:Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision.
SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE.
Referee will call this one !
COYR.
I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating?
Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead.
I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2.
Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Footso wrote:If they were prepared to pay the post and packing we could have a mail order option where you receive your skate via UPS, give it a right good kicking and then send it back in the packaging provided.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"? A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting? Just a thought, only trying to help.Nice idea, Seed, particularly the Celebrity Skate Bash. With all due respect to RA1 and J7 though, I think if I was an overseas fan, I would rather make a special trip, to do the kicking myself. My dilemma would be; Claridge of Dinenage?
Claridge, Fred and Westwood have been reserved for the exclusive Corporate event - Stomp a Skate - which will go to auction, feel free to bid. I shall leave Fred to you as his daughter is a good friend of mine, at least that gives me more money to bid on the other two.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:03pm Fri 3 Feb 12
seventh-junction wrote:Provide your own, all wear and tear is at the owners expense. (Personally if a skate ruined my steelies I'd kick him - see how it perpetuates?)
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"? A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting? Just a thought, only trying to help.Fantastic idea Mr Seed!! Will I need need to buy a new pair of "steellies" or will they be provided prior to the kicking event? COYR
Red n White
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3:06pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Confucious wrote:I don't think Dave will be able to handle the Adkins diet though
Good luck Billy, but this will be a tough match and I have written to Nigel to say that in these critical times we need more lateral thinking and innovation in both our tactics and team selection for away matches. Two suggestions are: Tactics - play a 1-10 'Fortress' formation. All ten players outfield players form a closed 'huddle' around the ball - each within striking distance of it, yet shielding it, thus keeping within the rules. The Fortress then slowly moves upfield and into the opposition goal. Selection - the 'Jumbly Factor'. Bring in Dave, the 29 stone bloke who was featured in ITV's 'Britain's fattest Man' documentary. The programme showed how the jab on his stomach could envelop an entire football. Thus Kelvin gives the ball to Dave, who envelops it in his giant fat fold and then walks into the opposition goal, lifts his jab up and the ball dops in. I see no rules broken here - though no doubt the purist pundits will gripe at half time on TV, especially about Dave. Nigel is unlikely to acknowledge my assistance in all of this, but I care not - results are what matters. COYR.
Paul Lucas
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3:09pm Fri 3 Feb 12
ToastyTea wrote:This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.
slugger
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3:13pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Paul Lucas wrote:click on it and mute it ! ........ if slugger can work it out ........
ToastyTea wrote:This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.
slugger
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3:15pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:i get steelies supplied at work , i can't see my employers being too happy at my next order !
seventh-junction wrote:Provide your own, all wear and tear is at the owners expense. (Personally if a skate ruined my steelies I'd kick him - see how it perpetuates?)
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"? A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting? Just a thought, only trying to help.Fantastic idea Mr Seed!! Will I need need to buy a new pair of "steellies" or will they be provided prior to the kicking event? COYR
OSPREYSAINT
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3:15pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I couldn't kick someone when they were down, and these guys are definitely down! Not yet out though.
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
slugger
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3:19pm Fri 3 Feb 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:just a little dig is ok ....... just to check they're breathing .
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I couldn't kick someone when they were down, and these guys are definitely down! Not yet out though.
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:30pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:I was using a dongle for a while, cost me a bloody fortune after they introduced them.
Paul Lucas wrote:click on it and mute it ! ........ if slugger can work it out ........ToastyTea wrote: Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
slugger
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3:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:bit of advice , keep yer dongle in yer trousers !
slugger wrote:I was using a dongle for a while, cost me a bloody fortune after they introduced them.
Paul Lucas wrote:click on it and mute it ! ........ if slugger can work it out ........ToastyTea wrote: Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:40pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:It's been out and about quite a bit recently, think it's enjoying the new freedom!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:bit of advice , keep yer dongle in yer trousers !slugger wrote:I was using a dongle for a while, cost me a bloody fortune after they introduced them.Paul Lucas wrote:click on it and mute it ! ........ if slugger can work it out ........ToastyTea wrote: Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
farehamsaint
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3:46pm Fri 3 Feb 12
RedArmy1 wrote:I am sure that this is not the case as many of the stweards are also Saints fans.
Off subject but "moan of the day" has got to be on the subject of SOME of the stewards ...
They would be happy if everyone went to St Mary's and sat in silence ...
I AM BLAMING THEM IN PART FOR FLATTENING THE FOOTBALL ATMOSPHERE ....
We have passionate supporters - so my call is to let the Supporters do their thing in supporting the Number One Side in the South.
RED ARMY. FIGHT AND WIN.
They do not make the rules and are only doing their jobs! Although some may do it differently than others. Although some fans behave very differntly towards the Stewards than others.
In my experience if you are rude or aggressive to others you will not always get the best response! Some of the responses to Stewards asking fans to sit down in the Northam Home is appalling and it is not surprising when they get short change back.
The club are applying the rules of the FA and sometimes it appears that they are doing too much considering the Stewards in the Away section never seem to even try and do anything!!
But surely it should not always be a case of shooting the messanger!
Salar
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4:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Costa Baz wrote:I live about 30 miles south (as the sh1te hawk flies) at lower level in the Severn valley, and the local weather forecast for Brum is not good. Snow is shown at 3.00pm and they claim 50 to 100mm snow (2 to 4 inches), turning to sleet, then rain which will freeze in the evening. Return travel conditions not being good. Don't know if St Andrews has pitch heating - should have thought they had? But not being a Brummie fan, don't know. Good luck to all travelling - safe journey..
RedArmy1 wrote: SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE. Referee will call this one ! COYR.Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision. I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating? Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead. I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2. Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
COYR
St Retford
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4:39pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Salar wrote:You don't live anywhere near Upton upon Severn, do you?
Costa Baz wrote:I live about 30 miles south (as the sh1te hawk flies) at lower level in the Severn valley, and the local weather forecast for Brum is not good. Snow is shown at 3.00pm and they claim 50 to 100mm snow (2 to 4 inches), turning to sleet, then rain which will freeze in the evening. Return travel conditions not being good. Don't know if St Andrews has pitch heating - should have thought they had? But not being a Brummie fan, don't know. Good luck to all travelling - safe journey.. COYRRedArmy1 wrote: SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE. Referee will call this one ! COYR.Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision. I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating? Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead. I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2. Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
RedArmy1
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5:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12
farehamsaint wrote:Fareham Saint ... I agree that alot (if not all) of the Stewards are Saints Fans ..
RedArmy1 wrote:I am sure that this is not the case as many of the stweards are also Saints fans.
Off subject but "moan of the day" has got to be on the subject of SOME of the stewards ...
They would be happy if everyone went to St Mary's and sat in silence ...
I AM BLAMING THEM IN PART FOR FLATTENING THE FOOTBALL ATMOSPHERE ....
We have passionate supporters - so my call is to let the Supporters do their thing in supporting the Number One Side in the South.
RED ARMY. FIGHT AND WIN.
They do not make the rules and are only doing their jobs! Although some may do it differently than others. Although some fans behave very differntly towards the Stewards than others.
In my experience if you are rude or aggressive to others you will not always get the best response! Some of the responses to Stewards asking fans to sit down in the Northam Home is appalling and it is not surprising when they get short change back.
The club are applying the rules of the FA and sometimes it appears that they are doing too much considering the Stewards in the Away section never seem to even try and do anything!!
But surely it should not always be a case of shooting the messanger!
You are right that Stewards seem overzealous at times to Saints Fans in Northam and Itchen North and yet let the Away Fans get away with murder.
WE DO WHAT WE WANT
WE DO WHAT WE WA..NT
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON
WE DO WHAT WE WANT ..
COYR
Strasbourg Saint
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5:27pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:It really IS possible to get rid of it.
slugger wrote:I was using a dongle for a while, cost me a bloody fortune after they introduced them.
Paul Lucas wrote:click on it and mute it ! ........ if slugger can work it out ........ToastyTea wrote: Echo turn those stupid fckin autoplay adverts off FFS.This! I stay away because of them, returning infrequently.
The trouble is, if like me you want Flash Player for other things, it's a bit of a hassle turning it on and off.....
...... so, I have Flash Player working when opening t'Internet with Internet Explorer, but I open the Echo threads on Firefox, on which I now block FlashPlayer.
So, open Firefox and search for Flash Blocker. Then follow the instructions.
Yes, it's bl00dy annoying and I wish the Echo would get shot of it. However, in the meantime, this seems to be a good compromise.
Good luck!
Strasbourg Saint
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5:35pm Fri 3 Feb 12
puppy saint wrote:Puppy, I have no idea what BB's Six Metamorphoses After Ovid sounds like (although I was at an English Chamber Music thing on Sunday and Britten was one of the featured English composers) but I'm certain you have a streak of madness about you to be proud of.
To the tune of Benjamin Britten's 'Six Metamorphoses after Ovid (1951)'.............
..........
"Billy Sharp signed for The Saints. He got his ticket for the bus/boat/this weeks fashionable mode of transport (delete as appropriate) from Mr. Cortese. He might be relatively short in stature but he has a shot like a cannon ball, apparently, and according to reports he isn't lazy.".
I know it's a solo for the oboe but I think it works rather well.
Maybe, if the game gets called off tomorrow, you could spend the time finding some words to fit Jupiter from Holst's Planet Suite.
WobblyCat
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5:50pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Costa Baz wrote:St Andrews does have under soil heating! I hope my mini bus also has heating! Game on!!!!
RedArmy1 wrote:Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision.
SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE.
Referee will call this one !
COYR.
I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating?
Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead.
I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2.
Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
WobblyCat
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5:53pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I think this is a slightly irresponsible post Seed. I mean.....how do you get the stain off your boots? Suggest some kind of plastic boot protector.
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
Strasbourg Saint
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6:06pm Fri 3 Feb 12
WobblyCat wrote:It should carry a Govt. Health Warning:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I think this is a slightly irresponsible post Seed. I mean.....how do you get the stain off your boots? Suggest some kind of plastic boot protector.
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
All participants must scrub up and wear protective clothing before taking part.
As for the other game, 'p!ss on a skate', apparently the bilharzia worm, which lives on river and sea beds, can climb up urine. So that would just be too risky.
Seed, you're a very irresponsible man.
Gossie.
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6:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12
WobblyCat wrote:How much would it cost to shove that bl00dy bell up Westw00d's ar5e
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"? A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting? Just a thought, only trying to help.I think this is a slightly irresponsible post Seed. I mean.....how do you get the stain off your boots? Suggest some kind of plastic boot protector.
Confucious
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6:26pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Gee thanks a lot Stras - my Auntie Elspeth just read that post and now she won't let me borrow her barge pole (on to which I was going to tie a welly).
WobblyCat wrote:It should carry a Govt. Health Warning:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I think this is a slightly irresponsible post Seed. I mean.....how do you get the stain off your boots? Suggest some kind of plastic boot protector.
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
All participants must scrub up and wear protective clothing before taking part.
As for the other game, 'p!ss on a skate', apparently the bilharzia worm, which lives on river and sea beds, can climb up urine. So that would just be too risky.
Seed, you're a very irresponsible man.
If Seed's initiative fails and Shatton Park is duly cremated what should happen to the ashes?
vernhamsaint
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6:37pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Footso
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7:00pm Fri 3 Feb 12
puppy saint wrote:Puppy, what was in those chips, that you were buying the other evening? Next time you go there, get a cone for me. (I bet Bacchus was the one you were thinking of, btw).
To the tune of Benjamin Britten's 'Six Metamorphoses after Ovid (1951)'.............
..........
"Billy Sharp signed for The Saints. He got his ticket for the bus/boat/this weeks fashionable mode of transport (delete as appropriate) from Mr. Cortese. He might be relatively short in stature but he has a shot like a cannon ball, apparently, and according to reports he isn't lazy.".
I know it's a solo for the oboe but I think it works rather well.
davelope
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7:28pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Sfctrucker wrote:Exactly! and if he was scoring with the service that a bottom of the table midfield can serve up.. imagine what he can do now!
Strikers only as good as the service that get from midfield , or the wings, if Atkins gets that right, Ricky , Billy will score a hatful of goal between now & the end of the season, go all out attack home & away, & try & score from a corner!! Coyr
Salar
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7:31pm Fri 3 Feb 12
St Retford wrote:Yes, about 8 miles away near Pershore. Do you know the area?
Salar wrote:You don't live anywhere near Upton upon Severn, do you?Costa Baz wrote:I live about 30 miles south (as the sh1te hawk flies) at lower level in the Severn valley, and the local weather forecast for Brum is not good. Snow is shown at 3.00pm and they claim 50 to 100mm snow (2 to 4 inches), turning to sleet, then rain which will freeze in the evening. Return travel conditions not being good. Don't know if St Andrews has pitch heating - should have thought they had? But not being a Brummie fan, don't know. Good luck to all travelling - safe journey.. COYRRedArmy1 wrote: SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE. Referee will call this one ! COYR.Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision. I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating? Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead. I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2. Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
rocketone
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8:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seed + confucious need to be told.
As for kick a skate, I think that is a terrible idea. Infection is rife.
Hit with a bat would be much safer option !
Strasbourg Saint
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8:49pm Fri 3 Feb 12
rocketone wrote:A bit like 'splat the rat'. Good idea.
sorry, is there a football match tomorrow?
Seed + confucious need to be told.
As for kick a skate, I think that is a terrible idea. Infection is rife.
Hit with a bat would be much safer option !
St Retford
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9:14pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Salar wrote:No, but someone told me Upton upon Severn has a street called 'Minge Lane'. That has to be the greatest place to live in the world.
St Retford wrote:Yes, about 8 miles away near Pershore. Do you know the area?
Salar wrote:You don't live anywhere near Upton upon Severn, do you?Costa Baz wrote:I live about 30 miles south (as the sh1te hawk flies) at lower level in the Severn valley, and the local weather forecast for Brum is not good. Snow is shown at 3.00pm and they claim 50 to 100mm snow (2 to 4 inches), turning to sleet, then rain which will freeze in the evening. Return travel conditions not being good. Don't know if St Andrews has pitch heating - should have thought they had? But not being a Brummie fan, don't know. Good luck to all travelling - safe journey.. COYRRedArmy1 wrote: SATURDAY WEATHER WARNING ON BCFC WEBSITE. Referee will call this one ! COYR.Let's hope the ref makes the decision that is right for football and doesn't allow the fact that it is a televised game to sway his decision. I would assume that this concern means that St Andrews does not have under soil heating? Having just looked at the forecast for Birmingham (-3C tonight, briefly rising to +1C Saturday, dropping back to 0C in time for the kick off, with heavy snow due during the match), I would suggest this game will be postponed, unless Sky convinces the ref to let it go ahead. I'd sooner play them on a good surface, where the result will come down to football and not someone slipping on his backside on a rock hard pitch, gifting a goal or 2. Unless we are the team receiving the gifts!!!!!!!
Fatty x Ford Worker
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9:14pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Baddesley Bill
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9:16pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Fatty x Ford Worker
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9:23pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger
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9:31pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:it would appear that nobody gives a flying stuff what you or your imaginary friend thinks ........ do us a favour eh ?
Percy says(Me Parrot) Baldy still out so our midfield firing blanks again.Brum will strike us down the wings therfore a home win 4-0.
Fatty x Ford Worker
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9:41pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:True facts mate dont come whimpering on this site after the match. Tell you what mate have some excitment like a bowl of corn or twill.You be the bird then mate up the saints!
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:it would appear that nobody gives a flying stuff what you or your imaginary friend thinks ........ do us a favour eh ?
Percy says(Me Parrot) Baldy still out so our midfield firing blanks again.Brum will strike us down the wings therfore a home win 4-0.
megacycle
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9:44pm Fri 3 Feb 12
COYR, respect
Tirau Dan
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9:46pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Richardson Fonte Martin Fox
Puncheon Cork Hammond Lallana
Lambert Sharp
Bialkowski, Harding, Schneiderlin, Do Prado, Lee
With Jos and Chaps coming back and others pressing it's obvious rotations are the key. Starting places are going to be fiercely contested and our subs will be dynamite... it's brilliant, just what we need.
Get the through balls, crosses and corners right for Billy Rickie and Chung and we'll win the Championship and dare I visualise the FA Cup in the cabinet.. COYR
Fatty x Ford Worker
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9:46pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Baddesley Bill wrote:Going fishing at Southsea Skatesville 14 of us on Sunday.Big bets going around who catches the biggest Skate!
Has anyone sounded out the "kick a skate" idea on the News site yet...this one could really raise some serious dosh! :O)
Baddesley Bill
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9:51pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Tirau Dan
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9:55pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Baddesley Bill wrote:Bill did you read Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Hmmm
Does anyone have a clue what Fatty X is on about?...I've tried cigarettes, drugs and alcohol in my life...but I'm obviously missing something here! :O)
megacycle
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9:56pm Fri 3 Feb 12
COYR, respect
Fatty x Ford Worker
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10:00pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle wrote:Sex and Drugs @ Rock @Roll.
St Retford, google maps confirms Minge Lane exists. not so far from Bell End either! rest of you, stop getting off the point...we've got Billy Sharp!!!!
COYR, respect
slugger
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10:02pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:how can 4-0 to brum be a "fact" mate ? ...... oh and it's trill .
slugger wrote:True facts mate dont come whimpering on this site after the match. Tell you what mate have some excitment like a bowl of corn or twill.You be the bird then mate up the saints!
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:it would appear that nobody gives a flying stuff what you or your imaginary friend thinks ........ do us a favour eh ?
Percy says(Me Parrot) Baldy still out so our midfield firing blanks again.Brum will strike us down the wings therfore a home win 4-0.
Fatty x Ford Worker
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10:08pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Tirau Dan wrote:I would consume or gorge a feast at your local Chippy followed by 10 pints at the Bad/Arms ride on brother!See you Jimmy for a round at 7am!
Baddesley Bill wrote:Bill did you read Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Hmmm
Does anyone have a clue what Fatty X is on about?...I've tried cigarettes, drugs and alcohol in my life...but I'm obviously missing something here! :O)
Baddesley Bill
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10:31pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Not if I see you first weirdo!
Tirau Dan wrote:I would consume or gorge a feast at your local Chippy followed by 10 pints at the Bad/Arms ride on brother!See you Jimmy for a round at 7am!
Baddesley Bill wrote:Bill did you read Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Hmmm
Does anyone have a clue what Fatty X is on about?...I've tried cigarettes, drugs and alcohol in my life...but I'm obviously missing something here! :O)
megacycle
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10:44pm Fri 3 Feb 12
nuts about saints
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10:47pm Fri 3 Feb 12
St Retford
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10:48pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle wrote:Haha.
St Retford, google maps confirms Minge Lane exists. not so far from Bell End either! rest of you, stop getting off the point...we've got Billy Sharp!!!!
COYR, respect
nuts about saints
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10:48pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:50pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Our problem has been a lightweight bench for a long time now. That's now all changed. Early season many of our results came following impact subs by Nige. He will have that option back.
St Retford
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10:51pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle wrote:Here here. The man has all the ingredients to be an absolute legend for us. Cherish him, people, and he will repay every clap you give him tenfold.
Billy has already shown himself to have both an extraordinary talent and exceptionally strong character. if he's reading this, welcome to Southampton..
slugger
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10:53pm Fri 3 Feb 12
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
slugger
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10:55pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:ooops , forgot about seedhouse ...... c'mon mate , lets go to fratton park , i'll be a giggle at least !
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
slugger
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10:57pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:*it'll ..... but you knew that !
slugger wrote:ooops , forgot about seedhouse ...... c'mon mate , lets go to fratton park , i'll be a giggle at least !
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
nuts about saints
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10:57pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:well what i have worked out we need to get orginised for there next home game when ever that would be do you know
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
St Retford
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11:06pm Fri 3 Feb 12
slugger wrote:It would at that. It would also give us the moral high ground for, like, ever.
slugger wrote:ooops , forgot about seedhouse ...... c'mon mate , lets go to fratton park , i'll be a giggle at least !
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
Also, there are probably dinner ladies and cleaners stressing right now that they'll lose their homes because of this unholy shitstorm and it would be nice to do something to help them, if not the players.
slugger
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11:08pm Fri 3 Feb 12
nuts about saints wrote:a home end at theirs full of red and white would be cool !
slugger wrote:well what i have worked out we need to get orginised for there next home game when ever that would be do you know
nuts about saints wrote:i'm up for that idea , we do need our rivals and if it means going to krap nottarf to help then i'm willing ........ i don't believe any of us in our heart of hearts wants to see them wiped off the football map (even you gossie).
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
Tirau Dan
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11:12pm Fri 3 Feb 12
nuts about saints wrote:I think both sides agreed that the bad element on both sides would ruin it. However the olive branch was appreciated by many and the suggestion is there for a well organised truce day for South Coast Football Fans at some time in the future. I think some were wrong to say pompey didn't support us when we were just about down.. I still remember many decents posts here saying much the same as we do.. love to see them go down and suffer but wouldn't want them gone. For now we are still bantering no one is sanctioning getting hurt at Fratton.
first time poster i like what i have read about the idea of olive branches poss being offered on the previous posts about us saints fans going to fratton any one else like that idea?
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:15pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:19pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle
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11:19pm Fri 3 Feb 12
St Retford wrote:you are so right, good choice Nige!!
megacycle wrote:Here here. The man has all the ingredients to be an absolute legend for us. Cherish him, people, and he will repay every clap you give him tenfold.
Billy has already shown himself to have both an extraordinary talent and exceptionally strong character. if he's reading this, welcome to Southampton..
St Retford
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11:29pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle wrote:He strikes me as a man whose whole life is built on playing football and scoring goals. It's what he turned to for comfort when faced with one of the most **** hands life can throw at you. Just imagine how someone whose need to score goals is that instinctive could be when playing alongside Sir Richard who, more than any striker I've seen, loves creating chances for others.
St Retford wrote:you are so right, good choice Nige!!
megacycle wrote:Here here. The man has all the ingredients to be an absolute legend for us. Cherish him, people, and he will repay every clap you give him tenfold.
Billy has already shown himself to have both an extraordinary talent and exceptionally strong character. if he's reading this, welcome to Southampton..
St Retford
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11:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12
St Retford
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11:32pm Fri 3 Feb 12
megacycle
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11:35pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Tirau Dan
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12:06am Sat 4 Feb 12
A brace off the bench and will they start with three up front or drop someone? Rotation is the way of Nigel I think.. one fresh ready for a blitz attack.
megacycle
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12:19am Sat 4 Feb 12
St Retford wrote:you know what I'm talking about..give him the love u people
That word The Echo tastefully deleted to spare your sensitive souls was 'sh1tty'. My bad.
Tirau Dan
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2:51am Sat 4 Feb 12
Weather for Brum: some sunshine and -2c by midday but heavy snow from about 5 or 6pm.. how bad is it?
All geared up warm .. safe travels and fingers crossed COYR
Jesus_02
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2:52am Sat 4 Feb 12
Footso wrote:Claridge v Dinenage death match might make a few quid
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Nice idea, Seed, particularly the Celebrity Skate Bash. With all due respect to RA1 and J7 though, I think if I was an overseas fan, I would rather make a special trip, to do the kicking myself. My dilemma would be; Claridge of Dinenage?
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
Tirau Dan
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3:09am Sat 4 Feb 12
Jesus_02 wrote:I think we could do our own meet down here, but we'd have to check out the Work and Income Offices on dole day to spot tell tale little yellow moons on blue badges, earrings tats and kids in tow. To be honest they aren't really hard enough to show their faces at our rural dole centres..
Footso wrote:Claridge v Dinenage death match might make a few quid
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Nice idea, Seed, particularly the Celebrity Skate Bash. With all due respect to RA1 and J7 though, I think if I was an overseas fan, I would rather make a special trip, to do the kicking myself. My dilemma would be; Claridge of Dinenage?
Moving on with our attempts to help the skates in their hour of need why not have a sponsored "kick a skate day"?
A number of skates desperate to save their club could come to SMS and for a fiver you can kick them. Better known skates would of course be a tenner. And our overseas contingent needn't miss out on the charity event either, they can pay their money online and nominate one of us to do the kicking on their behalf. If they've had their own bad experiences they may for example nominate RedArmy1 or J7 to put the shoe in for them. If they just want a bit of fun, nothing too permanent, maybe Confucious or Osprey could administer the booting?
Just a thought, only trying to help.
click2find
OSPREYSAINT says...
10:37am Fri 3 Feb 12