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Saints' wages battle
8:10am Friday 1st June 2012 in Sport
ALAN PARDEW
Saints will have to battle to ensure they don’t get stuck in the financial Premier League spiral that has seen player wages reach record levels.
The latest annual review of football finance by analysts Deloitte show the increase in wages outstripped the growth in revenues.
It has resulted in a wages/revenue ratio of 70 per cent in the Premier League – a record figure, having crept up from the low-to-mid 60s five years ago.
The latest set of Saints accounts, for their League One promotion season, saw group wages make up a whopping 93 per cent of turnover.
However, the club were confident that percentage figure would naturally reduce with one-off payments, believed to be for the sacking of Alan Pardew and his staff, included in that figure.
It is believed many of the current Saints squad and club management have landed substantial bonuses for promotion to the Premier League and that they will also see their wages rise as a result.
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Comments(59)
BlandfordSaint
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8:29am Fri 1 Jun 12
I honestly believe there must be a wage cap (this financial fair play thing will be got around) lets say 50K a week (more than I earn a year) then at least players will move for football reasons.
There glad that is off my chest.
Any transfer gossip...........COY
R
Hobson82
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8:31am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford
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8:39am Fri 1 Jun 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:43am Fri 1 Jun 12
SaffaSaint
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8:43am Fri 1 Jun 12
BlandfordSaint wrote:I agree the bubble will burst and a high end PL club will go bust, i personally dont think a wage cap is the answer though. it would just mean the big clubs buy all the best players and then only register the best 25 each tranfer window with the rest not even playing reserve football.
The football money bubble will go boom soon - a Chelski or ManC will go bust. But well run clubs who sign good players on proper wages (Jay Rod if we get him) will survive and rise to the top.
I honestly believe there must be a wage cap (this financial fair play thing will be got around) lets say 50K a week (more than I earn a year) then at least players will move for football reasons.
There glad that is off my chest.
Any transfer gossip...........COY
R
dopplershift
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8:50am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:He'll get a good reception do you think? Most fans were sad to see him go and we were lucky to have him while we did. Brought some influential players which have been key to our success. I'm pleased for his success at Newcastle. Possible future England manager in 6 months time!
I wonder if Pards is looking forward to his trip to St Mary's?
romsey saint
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8:57am Fri 1 Jun 12
wizard
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8:58am Fri 1 Jun 12
SaffaSaint wrote:what do you think will happen with a salary cap? huge huge bonuses and and other incentives so the richer clubs will always get the best players! if not then the best players will move abroad where there isnt any cap!!!
BlandfordSaint wrote:I agree the bubble will burst and a high end PL club will go bust, i personally dont think a wage cap is the answer though. it would just mean the big clubs buy all the best players and then only register the best 25 each tranfer window with the rest not even playing reserve football.
The football money bubble will go boom soon - a Chelski or ManC will go bust. But well run clubs who sign good players on proper wages (Jay Rod if we get him) will survive and rise to the top.
I honestly believe there must be a wage cap (this financial fair play thing will be got around) lets say 50K a week (more than I earn a year) then at least players will move for football reasons.
There glad that is off my chest.
Any transfer gossip...........COY
R
OSPREYSAINT
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9:00am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford
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9:05am Fri 1 Jun 12
dopplershift wrote:It depends largely on how accurate the rumours are, I guess.
St Retford wrote: I wonder if Pards is looking forward to his trip to St Mary's?He'll get a good reception do you think? Most fans were sad to see him go and we were lucky to have him while we did. Brought some influential players which have been key to our success. I'm pleased for his success at Newcastle. Possible future England manager in 6 months time!
milton road
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9:10am Fri 1 Jun 12
So it would be international.
The new fair play rules will not make much difference to city or MU both have massive sponsorship deals. Sponsorships are going to be a big thing in club income now.
Chipster
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9:12am Fri 1 Jun 12
dopplershift wrote:I can't see why any supporter would have an axe to grind as far as Pardew is concerned, he did bring us stability, a day out at the JPS final and some good players in.
St Retford wrote:He'll get a good reception do you think? Most fans were sad to see him go and we were lucky to have him while we did. Brought some influential players which have been key to our success. I'm pleased for his success at Newcastle. Possible future England manager in 6 months time!
I wonder if Pards is looking forward to his trip to St Mary's?
Sure, there are rumours as tio why he left/was sacked. Main one is he couldn't keep it in his trousers with one of the players wives/girlfriend, but that if true is between those it effects directly!
As for his managerial skills, he's proved his worth with Newcastle which considering all of the **** that was going on a the time is no mean feat, like I said he did us no harm when he was here!
Personally I wish him well and all the success in the future, of course that doesn't apply when we play Newcastle!
Anyway, back on topic. I believe NC will keep a firm hand on the purse strings, he's no mug and a shrewd businessman. NA will know who he wants to add to the team but I certainly don't think we will be held to ransom by any greedy players, a prime example of how to **** it up bigtime are the Skunts down the road. I too believe that there will be more so-called big clubs in the EPL who are on the brink, I expect Rangers in the SPL thought it would never happen. But it has!
If we keep it sensible and live within our means then we will be okay, I can't see us having the success on the field as we have in the past two seasons but mid-table consolidation is a must at the very least. There is a fear that we will be the whipping boys this coming season, and no doubt Sky will have the cameras out hoping for such. But I for one don't buy that, sure we're going to lose some games but I have a strong feeling that we're going to put a few noses out of joint!
It's going to be quite a ride but worth it! COYR's! FOP!
bigfella777
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9:25am Fri 1 Jun 12
tugboat
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9:26am Fri 1 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I posted very similar sentiments way back,but ive got used to being a commodity (unfortunately). The club keep stum on most levels and it does little to appease fans hunger for info,but in all honesty they are running a tight ship and making a very good job of it.They will only publish hard facts but I think the horse will bolt more often now and it will be interesting how thats dealt with.Its harder to adopt that silent tactic in the prem ,and there would be a chance of more press isolation than we presently experience.Lets face it national press coverage of south coast football in general is dire anyway
There is a slight danger that the grass roots fans are going to be forgotten in all of the Promotion euphoria, I regularly log on to the Saints OS in anticipation of news about the Club, its players and the prospects, recently all we have is news of new Luxury Memebership, increased Prices of Season Tickets and an article on grass growing. Not what I want to read about at all. The newspapers barely give us a mention, with just one speculative set of articles about an 'overpriced?' forward and now an article saying we are doomed because we are going to blow all our hard earned cash on overblown wage packets. I still feel good about getting promotion, but it is waning because there is nothing to keep my interest, coming from the media that has any credence. I feel like a mushroom, being kept in the dark and fed on b*llsh*t, (I am a fungi?) I want more positive news please.
Interesting post osprey.
Regards pardews visit,he didnt do us any harm,football wise but is now an opposing manager,so here hoping we stuff them !!!!!
Alicesdad
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9:29am Fri 1 Jun 12
I also think it will do football a power of good if it does happen.
Our near neighbours were just the tip of a very big iceberg.
Strange isn't it? Half a century ago Jimmy Hill and a number of other brave players fought to get a maximum wage removed !! How strange that after so long the position has turned and now people are clamouring for a maximum to be restored.
The current top two English clubs are only viable concerns because one is a rich arab's weekend toy and the other is only just afloat with vast debt on its balance sheet.
We all know there are other "big" clubs in this position. But they only survive by winning. If that ever slips they will crash. Chelsea were lucky this season, if they hadn't fluked the Champions League their finances would have been dire next year.
Look at Blackburn .. they bought a Premier League title a long while back but couldn't sustain the spend required and now look at them.
Saints seem to be in a position where the owners are rich but there is a prudent Executive making sure we don't do anything stupid. Long may it stay that way. I have nothing but utmost respect for what has passed in the last three years. We are going places !!
I can't believe we are back at the top so quickly after the events of 2009.
West Ender
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9:30am Fri 1 Jun 12
The club has been run so well since we have been out of admin.
We are now a role model for other clubs, from the fabulous academy, right through to Mr C and the family.
Well done and keep up the good work.
aldermoorboy
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9:35am Fri 1 Jun 12
8:50am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:
I wonder if Pards is looking forward to his trip to St Mary's?
He'll get a good reception do you think? Most fans were sad to see him go and we were lucky to have him while we did. Brought some influential players which have been key to our success. I'm pleased for his success at Newcastle. Possible future England manager in 6 months time!
I agree 100%dopplershift.
St Retford
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9:47am Fri 1 Jun 12
dopplershift
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10:04am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:He's non-executive chairman for W.H. Ireland who are a stockbroker, finance company.
What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?
franiow
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10:07am Fri 1 Jun 12
Don't know what anyone expects the OS to say. It's not a gossip column.
I want Saints to do well and they need to raise money to achieve success, so price hikes are just what we could expect. The only real change is that we have returned to premium seats at SMS...we had that when in the PL before.
Pardew said recently that he always knew we would do well. He was good for us and will get a good reception (especially if he gives us 3 points!). He couldn't see eye to eye with Nicola as I think he is more of a traditional manager, whereas Nigel is very much a modern, scientific based manager. We will never know what the final argument was about, but AP stayed silently so must have got a good pay off (probably a paid up contract).
OSPREYSAINT
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10:15am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:Or care?
What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?
St Retford
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10:22am Fri 1 Jun 12
dopplershift wrote:Really? I know a bit about WH Ireland. They're a 'wealth manager' who go around spending other people's money. Rupert would be ideal for them.
St Retford wrote: What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?He's non-executive chairman for W.H. Ireland who are a stockbroker, finance company.
St Retford
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10:23am Fri 1 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Don't get me wrong - I'm not losing sleep or anything. I was just curious.
St Retford wrote: What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?Or care?
OSPREYSAINT
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10:26am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:Very curious!
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Don't get me wrong - I'm not losing sleep or anything. I was just curious.
St Retford wrote: What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?Or care?
St Retford
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10:48am Fri 1 Jun 12
That said, we should follow their example and boycott WH Smith. Not because it's anything to do with WH Ireland, but the way they always try and flog you a chocolate bar with your newspaper is really, really annoying.
dopplershift
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11:28am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:ha ha. I with you! I thought it was just my local WH smiths that did that! You can't see the cashier for the volume of chocolate based confectionry stacked up by the till. All the people walking down the street having just been in Smiths with a 50p newspaper and £10 worth of cheap caramal bars! Priceless.
Heh - I notice the Pompey fans are trying to protest against Sports Direct on account of the fact the latest chief exec to mismanage them into administration has gone on to work for Supports Direct. The two are nothing to do with each other, obviously, but that's Pompey for you - the town that raised a lynch mob to hunt down nonces and targeted a paediatrician. That said, we should follow their example and boycott WH Smith. Not because it's anything to do with WH Ireland, but the way they always try and flog you a chocolate bar with your newspaper is really, really annoying.
Costa Baz
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11:30am Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:I already boycott WH Smith because their service is carp.
Heh - I notice the Pompey fans are trying to protest against Sports Direct on account of the fact the latest chief exec to mismanage them into administration has gone on to work for Supports Direct. The two are nothing to do with each other, obviously, but that's Pompey for you - the town that raised a lynch mob to hunt down nonces and targeted a paediatrician.
That said, we should follow their example and boycott WH Smith. Not because it's anything to do with WH Ireland, but the way they always try and flog you a chocolate bar with your newspaper is really, really annoying.
JohnItaly
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11:40am Fri 1 Jun 12
Red n White
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11:43am Fri 1 Jun 12
milton road wrote:The problem is that it is easily got around, such as through bonuses, or hiring wives/girlfriends as 'secretaries' on £50k a week.
FIFA are already thinking of a wage and transfer cap. So it would be international. The new fair play rules will not make much difference to city or MU both have massive sponsorship deals. Sponsorships are going to be a big thing in club income now.
In terms of transfers it's proven that any cap on those can be got around with accounts named after dogs. I think a cap on transfers will result in a lot more people making secret payments, which will ultimately reduce tax received.
I agree with sponsorship, especially with a limit on owner investment, they'll now be 'sponsoring' the club I expect.
lowe esteem
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11:51am Fri 1 Jun 12
Costa Baz wrote:...and the new self-service tills that they are trying to introduce...call me a Luddite but they're not helping...asda be open to abuse already as well!
St Retford wrote:I already boycott WH Smith because their service is carp.
Heh - I notice the Pompey fans are trying to protest against Sports Direct on account of the fact the latest chief exec to mismanage them into administration has gone on to work for Supports Direct. The two are nothing to do with each other, obviously, but that's Pompey for you - the town that raised a lynch mob to hunt down nonces and targeted a paediatrician.
That said, we should follow their example and boycott WH Smith. Not because it's anything to do with WH Ireland, but the way they always try and flog you a chocolate bar with your newspaper is really, really annoying.
likewatchingbrazil
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12:01pm Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:how creepy if you take the words wh ireland and juggle them round and add some and take some away it spells Rupert is a kn#b
dopplershift wrote:Really? I know a bit about WH Ireland. They're a 'wealth manager' who go around spending other people's money. Rupert would be ideal for them.St Retford wrote: What IS Rupert up to these days? Anyone know?He's non-executive chairman for W.H. Ireland who are a stockbroker, finance company.
Confucious
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12:05pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Certainly, if some rich Arab bought Saints and started spending hundreds of millions on world class players so we're in the Champions League final every year, most fans would be very disappointed and embarrassed and would call for an immediate wage cap to even things up.
I'm ashamed to say that I can't quite meet these laudable standards myself - I'd love to see half a dozen fat cat Messis at St Marys myself.
But at least I do agree with the majority of fans on here who know only too well that money isn't the most important thing in the world - love is.
Admittedly I'm fortunate though - I love money.
stjimmy76
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12:37pm Fri 1 Jun 12
BlandfordSaint wrote:Wage cap would be great, but it would have to cover the globe for it to work.
The football money bubble will go boom soon - a Chelski or ManC will go bust. But well run clubs who sign good players on proper wages (Jay Rod if we get him) will survive and rise to the top.
I honestly believe there must be a wage cap (this financial fair play thing will be got around) lets say 50K a week (more than I earn a year) then at least players will move for football reasons.
There glad that is off my chest.
Any transfer gossip...........COY
R
COYR!!!!!!!
Mush On The Beach
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12:39pm Fri 1 Jun 12
I follow Aussie rules footy closely and can say that it is definitely allows for a more level playing field and is sustainable. It is however practically impossible to compare different sports in the same light as there are so many anomalies between the codes. The obvious argument against this perceived level playing field is why should a big club be held back by smaller clubs.
I’m not saying capping is the answer but I would welcome something that brought under control this current monster and I’m not sure either way if UEFA Financial Fair Play will sort it out, but I guess it is at a least a start on the road to cure this illness.
Redrobbo
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12:55pm Fri 1 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT
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12:56pm Fri 1 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:I hate the W H Smith in Southampton who keep insisting you use the scanner rather than be served by a human being! Unexpected object in the baggage area is likely to be my right boot!
Heh - I notice the Pompey fans are trying to protest against Sports Direct on account of the fact the latest chief exec to mismanage them into administration has gone on to work for Supports Direct. The two are nothing to do with each other, obviously, but that's Pompey for you - the town that raised a lynch mob to hunt down nonces and targeted a paediatrician.
That said, we should follow their example and boycott WH Smith. Not because it's anything to do with WH Ireland, but the way they always try and flog you a chocolate bar with your newspaper is really, really annoying.
OSPREYSAINT
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12:59pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Confucious wrote:I love money too, trouble is after this years price hike, I will have a lot less of it.
It's pretty clear that most Saints fans think footballers are paid far too much and as a result, if we struggle next season as a result of sensible thrifty policies, most will be very sanguine about it. Better a regular 6-0 hammering than kow-towing to greed.
Certainly, if some rich Arab bought Saints and started spending hundreds of millions on world class players so we're in the Champions League final every year, most fans would be very disappointed and embarrassed and would call for an immediate wage cap to even things up.
I'm ashamed to say that I can't quite meet these laudable standards myself - I'd love to see half a dozen fat cat Messis at St Marys myself.
But at least I do agree with the majority of fans on here who know only too well that money isn't the most important thing in the world - love is.
Admittedly I'm fortunate though - I love money.
Saint 2701
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1:32pm Fri 1 Jun 12
He's property developing, recently done a development in Shirley, arlowe drive...
andrewinlondon
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2:17pm Fri 1 Jun 12
shirley-bill wrote:That can't be true. Saints already have capacity or near capacity crowds & there are 4 less home matches in the Premier League
with the club in the EPL the city will rack it in , hotels , pubs etc. will see more people spending.So it will only be good news for the whole city.
NikkkoNik
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2:18pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Ashley Charles Pragnell
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2:24pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Davis would be a bargain and in budget. He would be a much better option than Hammond and a much better player. Could part of the deal include us playing Rangers in the summer! This could be a very shrewed deal by NA and NC.
Mush On The Beach
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3:03pm Fri 1 Jun 12
NikkkoNik wrote:All fair points. I try to listen when I can to podcasts of the world football phone-in on BBC 5-live at the weekends, I recommend it. Tim Vickery, the correspondent in Rio paints a picture of crass business models by the Brazilians, similar to Madrid of old. Apparently, instead of getting bailed out or getting closed down, they just continue on their merry way racking up more debt and ignoring what has gone on before. Nobody has the balls or desire to bring them to justice.
The whole fair play thing will be a farce. Are the CL going to stop Man City, Chelsea, PSG? If they did they would involve lawyers to fight their case saying they are being discriminated against. Real Madrid were £180M or so in debt, the city council bought their training ground for umm £180M then gave it back to them as a reward and importance to the city of Madrid. AC Milan owned by Mr B say no more. You can go on, so it will be only those nice Germans, Dutch and French (not PSG) will be OK to play in the CL.
So in a nut shell, the financial problem is global.
FIFA couldn’t organise a pisss up in brewery, just look at the procrastination over goal line technology.
In the words of Private James Frazer from Dad’s Army “We’re Doomed”
Mush On The Beach
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3:19pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:I was indoctrinated from an early age by Glassie neighbours to have a soft spot for the Gers. Truly shocking what has become of them. I think you might be onto something here ACP
Being Scottish based and supporting The saints I heard some very interesting news to day regarding Rangers. Most of their players took a wage deferral of 75 percent. However the players will now have to be paid full wages. If Southampton were to sign Steven Davis he would only cost 1.6 million as a clause has been put in the players contracts that the higher wage earners can be sold for 2 million or less. Thus if the rumours are true that Saints were going to sign Davis a international with more than 50 caps for Northern Ireland and premier experience with both Villa and Fulham.
Davis would be a bargain and in budget. He would be a much better option than Hammond and a much better player. Could part of the deal include us playing Rangers in the summer! This could be a very shrewed deal by NA and NC.
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:12pm Fri 1 Jun 12
SFC1976
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6:17pm Fri 1 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT
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6:19pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Source?
BOTTOM BY CHRISTMAS DUE TO A LACK OF INVESTMENT IN PLAYERS!
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:19pm Fri 1 Jun 12
SFC1976 wrote:HAS THAT OLD BAG YOU KNOW THE ONE POMPEYS KIT LADY GOT A NEW POSITION YET!
I see King Kanu wont leave the Skates unless he gets a full pay off funny how they all loved him for all those years now he is sticking the knife in funny how things happen :) bet they arent calling him the King now.
OSPREYSAINT
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6:26pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:69 now stop shouting you numpty.
SFC1976 wrote:HAS THAT OLD BAG YOU KNOW THE ONE POMPEYS KIT LADY GOT A NEW POSITION YET!
I see King Kanu wont leave the Skates unless he gets a full pay off funny how they all loved him for all those years now he is sticking the knife in funny how things happen :) bet they arent calling him the King now.
Fatty x Ford Worker
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8:47pm Fri 1 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Woolston Warbler inside information!
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Source?
BOTTOM BY CHRISTMAS DUE TO A LACK OF INVESTMENT IN PLAYERS!
OSPREYSAINT
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9:54pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:X rated?
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Woolston Warbler inside information!
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Source?
BOTTOM BY CHRISTMAS DUE TO A LACK OF INVESTMENT IN PLAYERS!
Jesus_02
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11:45pm Fri 1 Jun 12
milton road wrote:as will player sponsorship if there is a wage cap. Personally I think a wage cap would be good for the smaller clubs like saints.
FIFA are already thinking of a wage and transfer cap.
So it would be international.
The new fair play rules will not make much difference to city or MU both have massive sponsorship deals. Sponsorships are going to be a big thing in club income now.
Liebhere always said the dream was for the club to be self sufficient and a cap would help
That said although we are in the Prem but we are still 3 years through a 5 year plan with a Training Centre to build and an academy to grow. In two years time we we can judge if the wages of the first team are too high.
COYR
Saint Fingers
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11:58pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Alty Saint
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12:35am Sat 2 Jun 12
St Retford wrote:Why shoudn't he, he brought the club forward but Cortese didn't think he was the man for the job and I agree because Nigel was the right man; either way Saints will beat Newcastle and we will finish in the top 10 of the Premier league!
I wonder if Pards is looking forward to his trip to St Mary's?
Optimist
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5:56am Sat 2 Jun 12
We may have been overspending for league 1 but I am sure that in the Championship we were far from the top spender. Good wages are needed to attract (and keep) good players, great incentive payments and clauses gives them every reason to make the extra effort for the club. If we spend more it is because we are doing better, and we will see the results of that at the end of each season!
sainyglen74
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3:47pm Sat 2 Jun 12
tennisaint
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6:25am Sun 3 Jun 12
sainyglen74
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7:36am Sun 3 Jun 12
tennisaint wrote:Poopey still have Kanu who wants a £300k pay off to leave lol!
Poopey still have players on 20,000 a week so lets learn a lesson
Balders76
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10:40pm Mon 4 Jun 12
shirley-bill says...
8:26am Fri 1 Jun 12