Nigel Adkins should not get all the blame, says Southampton captain Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana scores against West Ham on Saturday

Adam Lallana scores against West Ham on Saturday

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

SAINTS captain Adam Lallana insists Nigel Adkins shouldn’t shoulder all the blame for the club’s poor start to the season.

Saturday’s demoralising 4-1 defeat at Upton Park left yet more questions hanging in the air about the manager’s future at St Mary’s.

With just four points from eight games, and having conceded a Premier League-worst 24 goals, Saints are now entrenched back in the relegation zone.

That has generated further speculation that chairman Nicola Cortese could be about to give Adkins the boot.

Lallana was quizzed as to whether he thought the pressure the manager was coming under was unfair.

He said: “We’re all under pressure. We’re under pressure to get results, so is the manager.

“You can’t just look in his direction when we get a couple of bad results.

“We’re the players that are out there, so we’ve got to take responsibility.”

One player unable to take as much responsibility as he would have hoped on Saturday was Rickie Lambert.

The club’s top scorer was surprisingly dropped at the weekend, only making it onto the pitch in the 64th minute, with Saints 2-1 down.

Lallana was asked whether the decision – one that Adkins has come under fire for – had surprised him.

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“Listen, Rickie’s one of the biggest reasons we’re here in the Premier League, on the back of his goals,” he said.

“I honestly can’t comment. It’s not my decision who plays, or whether he plays.

“I just get on with my job, as Rickie did when he came on the pitch.

“He’s a professional guy, he’s a top man, and it’s been a pleasure playing with him and it will continue to be a pleasure playing with him throughout my career.

“I’ve learnt a lot off him, and I look up to him massively.”

Lallana was at a loss to explain why Saints had coped so comfortably in the first half at Upton Park, yet crumbled so spectacularly once again in the second.

“Honestly, I don’t know,” he admitted.

“If I knew the answer I’d tell you.

“But lack of concentration comes to mind, obviously three minutes into the second half and two goals down you just can’t do it at this level away from home.

“You give yourself such a steep hill to climb.

“We’ve got to get together on the training pitch and stamp out these errors as a team.”

The midfielder, who revealed that his first Premier League goal meant nothing to him given the result, said the entire team must take responsibility for the problems at the back.

“It’s not just your back four and keeper,” he said. “Listen, you defend from the front.

“We’ve been working on that on the training pitch and we’ve just got to work harder. It’s not just individuals, it’s as a team.

“You defend from the front, and that means from Jay Rodriguez or Rickie Lambert all the way back to the goalkeeper.”

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9:52am Mon 22 Oct 12

Mr. Miyagi says...

We changed the manager a number of times back in 2003 and look where that ended. Stability is the key. Unambitious I know, but lets aim for 17th position. Anything any higher would be a bonus right now.
We changed the manager a number of times back in 2003 and look where that ended. Stability is the key. Unambitious I know, but lets aim for 17th position. Anything any higher would be a bonus right now. Mr. Miyagi
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9:54am Mon 22 Oct 12

Confucious says...

Let's start on a high note - double octave high A sharp!
Let's start on a high note - double octave high A sharp! Confucious
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9:55am Mon 22 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

Good point about back in 2003. I do feel Nigel is out of his depth and really struggling at the mo but there also is no one that immediately springs to mind to replace him. I do though think Nicola will sack him this time next week though as I don't see us getting anything positive out of the Spurs game.
Good point about back in 2003. I do feel Nigel is out of his depth and really struggling at the mo but there also is no one that immediately springs to mind to replace him. I do though think Nicola will sack him this time next week though as I don't see us getting anything positive out of the Spurs game. SO50 Saint
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9:56am Mon 22 Oct 12

once a saint says...

We must get back to basics and a formation that suits the players we have got after all it got us two straight promotions so why try and play the barcelona system when you do not have the players to do so. Our team is more than capable of staying up if we ditch the fancy stuff. Defenders in the January transfer window is a must please no more strikers!
By the way does anyone know if there will be any soft drinks available on Sunday or must I bring my own?!
We must get back to basics and a formation that suits the players we have got after all it got us two straight promotions so why try and play the barcelona system when you do not have the players to do so. Our team is more than capable of staying up if we ditch the fancy stuff. Defenders in the January transfer window is a must please no more strikers! By the way does anyone know if there will be any soft drinks available on Sunday or must I bring my own?! once a saint
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10:00am Mon 22 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

Yeah we defend from the front, players get supposively knackered, Adkins makes stupid subs, then we lose.

Tell us something we dont know Adam!
Yeah we defend from the front, players get supposively knackered, Adkins makes stupid subs, then we lose. Tell us something we dont know Adam! Saint 2701
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10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12

Puddletown Saint says...

NA has my full support but still think he his out of his depth. Wrong formation poor starting X1 and bad subs.

The players have to step up as well though.

COYR
NA has my full support but still think he his out of his depth. Wrong formation poor starting X1 and bad subs. The players have to step up as well though. COYR Puddletown Saint
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10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

Listen, we're all a bit annoyed with the start, but we've earned the right to be here, the defensive errors were evident last season and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions.

Make no mistake, staying in this league will be difficult, but guys we knew this well before the season started and we'll know this as we continue our campaign.

Adkins has done a wonderous job for us as has Liebher and Cortese. We owe them a lot, from League One to the Premier league in a short period of time will produce these kind of results for us, a steep learning curve for the team and the manager, we must stick with them as fans of the club and hope we can produce the results which I personally know we can! COYR!!
Listen, we're all a bit annoyed with the start, but we've earned the right to be here, the defensive errors were evident last season and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions. Make no mistake, staying in this league will be difficult, but guys we knew this well before the season started and we'll know this as we continue our campaign. Adkins has done a wonderous job for us as has Liebher and Cortese. We owe them a lot, from League One to the Premier league in a short period of time will produce these kind of results for us, a steep learning curve for the team and the manager, we must stick with them as fans of the club and hope we can produce the results which I personally know we can! COYR!! AaronLeeSaint
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10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12

Scarborosaint says...

Back the man , not sack the man. Live up north and my friends are not saints supporters they can't believe that some fans want the manager sacked after 2 back to back promotions and only 8 games of our season ! Absolute madness ! , stability , faith, some luck, less naivety and more determination required from the management , players and our magnificient true supporters
Back the man , not sack the man. Live up north and my friends are not saints supporters they can't believe that some fans want the manager sacked after 2 back to back promotions and only 8 games of our season ! Absolute madness ! , stability , faith, some luck, less naivety and more determination required from the management , players and our magnificient true supporters Scarborosaint
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10:14am Mon 22 Oct 12

Confucious says...

once a saint wrote:
We must get back to basics and a formation that suits the players we have got after all it got us two straight promotions so why try and play the barcelona system when you do not have the players to do so. Our team is more than capable of staying up if we ditch the fancy stuff. Defenders in the January transfer window is a must please no more strikers!
By the way does anyone know if there will be any soft drinks available on Sunday or must I bring my own?!
Guli-ade, Foxi-Cola, Conseed Zero and 7up have been ordered.
[quote][p][bold]once a saint[/bold] wrote: We must get back to basics and a formation that suits the players we have got after all it got us two straight promotions so why try and play the barcelona system when you do not have the players to do so. Our team is more than capable of staying up if we ditch the fancy stuff. Defenders in the January transfer window is a must please no more strikers! By the way does anyone know if there will be any soft drinks available on Sunday or must I bring my own?![/p][/quote]Guli-ade, Foxi-Cola, Conseed Zero and 7up have been ordered. Confucious
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10:16am Mon 22 Oct 12

St Retford says...

I think we're going to absolutely wipe the floor with the Hotsperm and then all of this will be a distant memory.

All, that is, apart from Adam's goal. It's sort of been overlooked by the result, but it has to be said that it was an absolute beast.
I think we're going to absolutely wipe the floor with the Hotsperm and then all of this will be a distant memory. All, that is, apart from Adam's goal. It's sort of been overlooked by the result, but it has to be said that it was an absolute beast. St Retford
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10:19am Mon 22 Oct 12

MGRA says...

" I Honestly can't comment " = "there's trouble at mill"........
" I Honestly can't comment " = "there's trouble at mill"........ MGRA
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10:19am Mon 22 Oct 12

Confucious says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
Yeah we defend from the front, players get supposively knackered, Adkins makes stupid subs, then we lose.

Tell us something we dont know Adam!
If you are not already a pall-bearer you should become one and not let that special aptitude and talent go to waste.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: Yeah we defend from the front, players get supposively knackered, Adkins makes stupid subs, then we lose. Tell us something we dont know Adam![/p][/quote]If you are not already a pall-bearer you should become one and not let that special aptitude and talent go to waste. Confucious
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10:29am Mon 22 Oct 12

southampton_till_i_die09 says...

Everyone is out of their depth. It's all new to most people.
The results will come in the end.
Hope we get a decent defensive coach to help Adkins.
In Adkins We Trust.
Everyone is out of their depth. It's all new to most people. The results will come in the end. Hope we get a decent defensive coach to help Adkins. In Adkins We Trust. southampton_till_i_die09
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10:31am Mon 22 Oct 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
Back the man , not sack the man. Live up north and my friends are not saints supporters they can't believe that some fans want the manager sacked after 2 back to back promotions and only 8 games of our season ! Absolute madness ! , stability , faith, some luck, less naivety and more determination required from the management , players and our magnificient true supporters
Couldn't agree more, we're expected to go down, we were expected to go down before the season began.

Back the team and management, that is what fans do!
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: Back the man , not sack the man. Live up north and my friends are not saints supporters they can't believe that some fans want the manager sacked after 2 back to back promotions and only 8 games of our season ! Absolute madness ! , stability , faith, some luck, less naivety and more determination required from the management , players and our magnificient true supporters[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, we're expected to go down, we were expected to go down before the season began. Back the team and management, that is what fans do! AaronLeeSaint
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10:32am Mon 22 Oct 12

Dickosfc says...

I really want Adkins to get through this! In my eyes the bloke will always be a legend but on the other hand I want to remain a Premiership club. I’ve absolutely loved the journey from the depths of League one to promotion last year but this is where we need to be to properly develop. These stupid goals we concede are getting everyone down! Our players need to take some of the blame. Our defence need to ask themselves a simple questions; Did they work so hard to get in the premier league to just flop??? Fu*king sort it out!!
I really want Adkins to get through this! In my eyes the bloke will always be a legend but on the other hand I want to remain a Premiership club. I’ve absolutely loved the journey from the depths of League one to promotion last year but this is where we need to be to properly develop. These stupid goals we concede are getting everyone down! Our players need to take some of the blame. Our defence need to ask themselves a simple questions; Did they work so hard to get in the premier league to just flop??? Fu*king sort it out!! Dickosfc
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10:36am Mon 22 Oct 12

one in a million says...

Didn't "sir" Alex have a tough time to start with? Stick with Nigel!
Didn't "sir" Alex have a tough time to start with? Stick with Nigel! one in a million
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10:38am Mon 22 Oct 12

one in a million says...

southampton_till_i_d
ie09
wrote:
Everyone is out of their depth. It's all new to most people. The results will come in the end. Hope we get a decent defensive coach to help Adkins. In Adkins We Trust.
As long as the defensive coach isn't Benali ! (o:

(sorry Franny)
[quote][p][bold]southampton_till_i_d ie09[/bold] wrote: Everyone is out of their depth. It's all new to most people. The results will come in the end. Hope we get a decent defensive coach to help Adkins. In Adkins We Trust.[/p][/quote]As long as the defensive coach isn't Benali ! (o: (sorry Franny) one in a million
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10:46am Mon 22 Oct 12

wild rupert says...

All the opinions on this debate are irrelevant .NC will do what he wants .He doesn't worry about the fans thoughts as he's demonstrated with his off field decisions.Although I respect him as a market leader in his own field I do think he is naive in the world of football.More worryingly having the reins since ML died we seem to upset everyone we deal with.Pardew was sacked through personal issues and was a good manager as is NA .The vital difference is that Pardew had Premiership experience.If NA remains we will probably be relegated but maybe come up the following year with that experience gained.As fans we just need to stick with our club whatever league were in.At least in the lower leagues I could get home and away tickets easy
All the opinions on this debate are irrelevant .NC will do what he wants .He doesn't worry about the fans thoughts as he's demonstrated with his off field decisions.Although I respect him as a market leader in his own field I do think he is naive in the world of football.More worryingly having the reins since ML died we seem to upset everyone we deal with.Pardew was sacked through personal issues and was a good manager as is NA .The vital difference is that Pardew had Premiership experience.If NA remains we will probably be relegated but maybe come up the following year with that experience gained.As fans we just need to stick with our club whatever league were in.At least in the lower leagues I could get home and away tickets easy wild rupert
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10:49am Mon 22 Oct 12

miltonarcher says...

Back Nigel, back the team. Stop this negative rubbish. Stability is the key. We have two important players out, Jack Cork and Ramirez. Things will improve when they are fully fit. Two promotions show NA has the ability; history shows that sacking the manager is not always the answer. Come on Nige, prove them wrong COYR !!!
Back Nigel, back the team. Stop this negative rubbish. Stability is the key. We have two important players out, Jack Cork and Ramirez. Things will improve when they are fully fit. Two promotions show NA has the ability; history shows that sacking the manager is not always the answer. Come on Nige, prove them wrong COYR !!! miltonarcher
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10:54am Mon 22 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Lets put 10 men behind the ball against spurs, even NA is admitting playing open attacking football isn't working. We need structure and the players need to come off the pitch with headaches due to their concentration levels.
Lets put 10 men behind the ball against spurs, even NA is admitting playing open attacking football isn't working. We need structure and the players need to come off the pitch with headaches due to their concentration levels. SaintMax
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11:08am Mon 22 Oct 12

Block 34 says...

Lets start with RL on the pitch!
How about Chappers in midfield to provide a bit of bite too please!
And could Guly take position behing the canteen counter? Might improve the service a bit...
Spurs are a lively side, if we pack defence we will lose, but a strong midfield ia a must. Looks like you're on your own up front again Rickie!!
Lets start with RL on the pitch! How about Chappers in midfield to provide a bit of bite too please! And could Guly take position behing the canteen counter? Might improve the service a bit... Spurs are a lively side, if we pack defence we will lose, but a strong midfield ia a must. Looks like you're on your own up front again Rickie!! Block 34
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11:13am Mon 22 Oct 12

saintjak says...

I will stick by Adkins but stop making stupid decisions like dropping lambert and subing off our best players.

I can deal with us losing I can't when our top playes are on the bench...

I'm not going to mention the name Do Prado but

Do Prado.

Really? Starting above Ricky?

Come on, decisions like that will turn the fans against the manager.

Start with your best players and I'll live with the results.
I will stick by Adkins but stop making stupid decisions like dropping lambert and subing off our best players. I can deal with us losing I can't when our top playes are on the bench... I'm not going to mention the name Do Prado but Do Prado. Really? Starting above Ricky? Come on, decisions like that will turn the fans against the manager. Start with your best players and I'll live with the results. saintjak
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11:14am Mon 22 Oct 12

mikesugar says...

Its a fine balance between survival and being loyal to the management team. Not an easy decision for the Chairman to make. It is time however to take a good look at the attacking nature of our tactics and reevaluate the way we play. This team is not quick or versatile enough to play an expansive or "Barcelona" system. We need to play to the team we have and hope we can strengthen in January. I don't care if we don't score a hat load of goals or look fluid or make 20 passes. I would like us to park the bus at least until January or we get Gaston back, although i suspect that is about the schedule he is on anyway. NA stop the rot NOW!!!!! park the bus and grind out some results, a point a game may just be enough for us to hang in there for a few months. please.
Its a fine balance between survival and being loyal to the management team. Not an easy decision for the Chairman to make. It is time however to take a good look at the attacking nature of our tactics and reevaluate the way we play. This team is not quick or versatile enough to play an expansive or "Barcelona" system. We need to play to the team we have and hope we can strengthen in January. I don't care if we don't score a hat load of goals or look fluid or make 20 passes. I would like us to park the bus at least until January or we get Gaston back, although i suspect that is about the schedule he is on anyway. NA stop the rot NOW!!!!! park the bus and grind out some results, a point a game may just be enough for us to hang in there for a few months. please. mikesugar
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11:15am Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

As an avid Saints supporter I am getting very depressed, not through the results, as much as if you come on here and defend NC you are regarded as a butt licker, if you back NA you're a sheep following the flock, and any sign of support from the team makes you a happy clapper, just can't win, so why bother, when you have a high proportion of pessimists and critics, who don't back the team, this Club will go down hill faster than our friends down the road, if that is what you want, carry on, if you want success you will have to change your attitude, very, very soon, or reap the harvest from the seeds of discontent that you are sewing.
As an avid Saints supporter I am getting very depressed, not through the results, as much as if you come on here and defend NC you are regarded as a butt licker, if you back NA you're a sheep following the flock, and any sign of support from the team makes you a happy clapper, just can't win, so why bother, when you have a high proportion of pessimists and critics, who don't back the team, this Club will go down hill faster than our friends down the road, if that is what you want, carry on, if you want success you will have to change your attitude, very, very soon, or reap the harvest from the seeds of discontent that you are sewing. OSPREYSAINT
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11:22am Mon 22 Oct 12

Block 34 says...

funny, I thought the last few posts were positive? We have to give the guy a chance - he's a good manager - its not his fault we had such a crap fixture list!
Echo poll says 68% (including me) in favour of NA, that's not bad!!
funny, I thought the last few posts were positive? We have to give the guy a chance - he's a good manager - its not his fault we had such a crap fixture list! Echo poll says 68% (including me) in favour of NA, that's not bad!! Block 34
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11:23am Mon 22 Oct 12

dennytg says...

I don't often comment on this site, but I read most of the posts people send in.
I sympathise with those that say a defensive coach would be an option.
Arsenal were a sensational attacking team last season, but let in too many goals to win anything. In the close season they engaged an ex-centre half of theirs' , Teve Bould to act as defensive coach. If it's good enough for Arsene Wenger, Nigel Adkins shouldn't be too worried.
Another point I would like to make is about the captaincy. I think it was a mistake to make Adam the captain. He should be concentrating on what he does best, getting in among opposition defenders.
Alan Pardew, didn't like the idea of Kelvin Davis being captain and soon appointed Hammond. In all my experience of playing and watchig football, the bt captains were either midfielders or defenders. They se the whole game around them. I would like to see Steve davis as captain. Lastly, leave Adkins alone. Stability is most important. There is still time to turn this around.
I don't often comment on this site, but I read most of the posts people send in. I sympathise with those that say a defensive coach would be an option. Arsenal were a sensational attacking team last season, but let in too many goals to win anything. In the close season they engaged an ex-centre half of theirs' , Teve Bould to act as defensive coach. If it's good enough for Arsene Wenger, Nigel Adkins shouldn't be too worried. Another point I would like to make is about the captaincy. I think it was a mistake to make Adam the captain. He should be concentrating on what he does best, getting in among opposition defenders. Alan Pardew, didn't like the idea of Kelvin Davis being captain and soon appointed Hammond. In all my experience of playing and watchig football, the bt captains were either midfielders or defenders. They se the whole game around them. I would like to see Steve davis as captain. Lastly, leave Adkins alone. Stability is most important. There is still time to turn this around. dennytg
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11:28am Mon 22 Oct 12

dennytg says...

" Steve Bould, best, see," Just correcying typo errors before anyone picks me up.
" Steve Bould, best, see," Just correcying typo errors before anyone picks me up. dennytg
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11:30am Mon 22 Oct 12

dennytg says...

OH NO. "correcting."
OH NO. "correcting." dennytg
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11:35am Mon 22 Oct 12

Portswood says...

Quite a few folk, including sports journalists, bandy around the lazy accusation that Saints strengthened in 'the wrong areas' during the transfer season. An article in today's Impotent (aka 'Independent') recycles the tired old 'insight'. I won't even bother linking to it, but it's titled 'Allardyce's smart summer buys put the extravagance of Adkins to shame' if you want to amuse/torture yourself.

Anyway, surely NA knew full well where we needed to strengthen? But we need the right people who will fit in with this squad and the 'vision' of the 'Southampton Way' (don't get cynical now!). Bear in mind that Saints have a certain 'profile' of player that we tend to go for: young, ambitious, already good but with bags of potential. That type of defensive player might have been difficult to come by in the summer. We seemingly lost out on left-back Alexander Buttner at the 11th hour. Yes, we now have Nat Clyne and Maya Yoshida (the latter especially still to settle in, fair to say). And maybe at least one other centre-half was sought but fell through - we don't know. (Anyone know why Aaron Martin has been missing lately at Crystal Palace, by the way?!). You can be sure NA, the coaching staff and the players will work extremely hard to get things right. They need our support in the meantime.

Let's just all hold our nerve and we'll get through this tricky spell!
Quite a few folk, including sports journalists, bandy around the lazy accusation that Saints strengthened in 'the wrong areas' during the transfer season. An article in today's Impotent (aka 'Independent') recycles the tired old 'insight'. I won't even bother linking to it, but it's titled 'Allardyce's smart summer buys put the extravagance of Adkins to shame' if you want to amuse/torture yourself. Anyway, surely NA knew full well where we needed to strengthen? But we need the right people who will fit in with this squad and the 'vision' of the 'Southampton Way' (don't get cynical now!). Bear in mind that Saints have a certain 'profile' of player that we tend to go for: young, ambitious, already good but with bags of potential. That type of defensive player might have been difficult to come by in the summer. We seemingly lost out on left-back Alexander Buttner at the 11th hour. Yes, we now have Nat Clyne and Maya Yoshida (the latter especially still to settle in, fair to say). And maybe at least one other centre-half was sought but fell through - we don't know. (Anyone know why Aaron Martin has been missing lately at Crystal Palace, by the way?!). You can be sure NA, the coaching staff and the players will work extremely hard to get things right. They need our support in the meantime. Let's just all hold our nerve and we'll get through this tricky spell! Portswood
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11:38am Mon 22 Oct 12

Rising_Son says...

AaronLeeSaint says...
10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12

"... and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions."

Could you tell us which position is a non-key position?
AaronLeeSaint says... 10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12 "... and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions." Could you tell us which position is a non-key position? Rising_Son
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11:53am Mon 22 Oct 12

Block 34 says...

well said Dennytg - you should post more often!
well said Dennytg - you should post more often! Block 34
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11:54am Mon 22 Oct 12

Maine Lobster says...

saintjak wrote:
I will stick by Adkins but stop making stupid decisions like dropping lambert and subing off our best players. I can deal with us losing I can't when our top playes are on the bench... I'm not going to mention the name Do Prado but Do Prado. Really? Starting above Ricky? Come on, decisions like that will turn the fans against the manager. Start with your best players and I'll live with the results.
Agree 100%. The best way to prevent the other team from scoring is to keep the ball in the other half. No Rickie and the rejuvenated Puncheon and we are toothless.
The defence needs seriously sorting. West Ham waltzed through unchallenged on Saturday and the back four were emabarrassing. Yoshida looks awful and Jose & Jos are under extreme pressure. I would put Seaborne back in but premiership experience at the back during the window will be essential if we are to have any chance of staying up.
[quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: I will stick by Adkins but stop making stupid decisions like dropping lambert and subing off our best players. I can deal with us losing I can't when our top playes are on the bench... I'm not going to mention the name Do Prado but Do Prado. Really? Starting above Ricky? Come on, decisions like that will turn the fans against the manager. Start with your best players and I'll live with the results.[/p][/quote]Agree 100%. The best way to prevent the other team from scoring is to keep the ball in the other half. No Rickie and the rejuvenated Puncheon and we are toothless. The defence needs seriously sorting. West Ham waltzed through unchallenged on Saturday and the back four were emabarrassing. Yoshida looks awful and Jose & Jos are under extreme pressure. I would put Seaborne back in but premiership experience at the back during the window will be essential if we are to have any chance of staying up. Maine Lobster
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11:54am Mon 22 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Ramirez will be the making of this team, along with Steve Davis in the middle of the park. Once we have strung a few better results together we will begin to gain in confidence and move up the table.
I'm astonished some people have suggested Dalglish (that great defensive minded Manager) and Kevin Keegan (yet another) as Dir of football (I loved you Kev on the pitch).
If we lose the next 5 games, then fair enough question NAs tactical ability, but we will learn - the hard way as usual.
Ramirez will be the making of this team, along with Steve Davis in the middle of the park. Once we have strung a few better results together we will begin to gain in confidence and move up the table. I'm astonished some people have suggested Dalglish (that great defensive minded Manager) and Kevin Keegan (yet another) as Dir of football (I loved you Kev on the pitch). If we lose the next 5 games, then fair enough question NAs tactical ability, but we will learn - the hard way as usual. SaintMax
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11:56am Mon 22 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

And in Yoshidas defence, he is being played out of position! It's like saying Rickie Lambert is crap on the wing!
And in Yoshidas defence, he is being played out of position! It's like saying Rickie Lambert is crap on the wing! SaintMax
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12:01pm Mon 22 Oct 12

tbilisi saint carl says...

Good news at last ....i see this morning the vatican is to name 7 new saints .....yeee haa we are saved
Good news at last ....i see this morning the vatican is to name 7 new saints .....yeee haa we are saved tbilisi saint carl
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12:02pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Forest Saint says...

Adkins has to go! He is out of his depth and TOTALLY to blame for continually meddling with the formation and dropping Rickie Lambert. That in itself makes me hate him because it is Lambert who can influence a game and score goals at this level, unlike Rodriguez who looks a total waste of money.
Adkins has to go! He is out of his depth and TOTALLY to blame for continually meddling with the formation and dropping Rickie Lambert. That in itself makes me hate him because it is Lambert who can influence a game and score goals at this level, unlike Rodriguez who looks a total waste of money. Forest Saint
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12:13pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

I admire and respect Adam for shouldering some of the responsibility on behalf of the players, the manager picks the team (or in Guly's case Cortese picks him I swear) the manager make tactical decisions, makes the substitutions, selects the purchases, therefore in my eyes the manager takes the blame.

His quote on Saturday was ''we identified we needed to strengthen in defence in the summer'' that didn't happen, instead we spent millions on a player and play him out of position, we bought one unknown centre back and play him at left back, we loan out a promising youngster who plays at centre back and we are left with a shocking defence to start our first EPL campaign in years.

Everyone could see Fonte was struggling last season, Jos played well but made to many individual errors, Fox can cross a ball but can't defend for squawt, the only back four player to take any this term is Clyne, this is why we have a shocking goals against record, add that to using 3 different goalies in 8 games it doesn't bode well for the rest of the season.

You cannot say the chairman has failed to support the manager hence the Gaston, J Rod purchases plus Myuka and Steven Davis (quality midfielder) so where does the blame lay, for me it is fairly and squarely at Nigel's door.

Do I want Nigel Adkins gone? ask me at 10 to 5 on Sunday
I admire and respect Adam for shouldering some of the responsibility on behalf of the players, the manager picks the team (or in Guly's case Cortese picks him I swear) the manager make tactical decisions, makes the substitutions, selects the purchases, therefore in my eyes the manager takes the blame. His quote on Saturday was ''we identified we needed to strengthen in defence in the summer'' that didn't happen, instead we spent millions on a player and play him out of position, we bought one unknown centre back and play him at left back, we loan out a promising youngster who plays at centre back and we are left with a shocking defence to start our first EPL campaign in years. Everyone could see Fonte was struggling last season, Jos played well but made to many individual errors, Fox can cross a ball but can't defend for squawt, the only back four player to take any this term is Clyne, this is why we have a shocking goals against record, add that to using 3 different goalies in 8 games it doesn't bode well for the rest of the season. You cannot say the chairman has failed to support the manager hence the Gaston, J Rod purchases plus Myuka and Steven Davis (quality midfielder) so where does the blame lay, for me it is fairly and squarely at Nigel's door. Do I want Nigel Adkins gone? ask me at 10 to 5 on Sunday Over the Edge
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12:16pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Retlasjm_53 says...

The attacking approach is admirable but clearly not working.We should try a more defensive formation to consolidae our place in tue prem. league.
The attacking approach is admirable but clearly not working.We should try a more defensive formation to consolidae our place in tue prem. league. Retlasjm_53
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12:21pm Mon 22 Oct 12

saintmatt84 says...

Let me start by saing I love NA and im so so thankful for everything he has done to get this great club to where it belongs but lets be fair as mentioned in previous posts the team selections and substituions leave a lot to be desired. And if money wasnt given for a defender or two to be brought in the summer than NC has to take some of the blame also!
Let me start by saing I love NA and im so so thankful for everything he has done to get this great club to where it belongs but lets be fair as mentioned in previous posts the team selections and substituions leave a lot to be desired. And if money wasnt given for a defender or two to be brought in the summer than NC has to take some of the blame also! saintmatt84
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12:25pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

saintmatt84 wrote:
Let me start by saing I love NA and im so so thankful for everything he has done to get this great club to where it belongs but lets be fair as mentioned in previous posts the team selections and substituions leave a lot to be desired. And if money wasnt given for a defender or two to be brought in the summer than NC has to take some of the blame also!
In all we spent just £20 million last summer, I don't think you can say NC didn't support his manager in the transfer market.
[quote][p][bold]saintmatt84[/bold] wrote: Let me start by saing I love NA and im so so thankful for everything he has done to get this great club to where it belongs but lets be fair as mentioned in previous posts the team selections and substituions leave a lot to be desired. And if money wasnt given for a defender or two to be brought in the summer than NC has to take some of the blame also![/p][/quote]In all we spent just £20 million last summer, I don't think you can say NC didn't support his manager in the transfer market. Over the Edge
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12:42pm Mon 22 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Portswood wrote:
Quite a few folk, including sports journalists, bandy around the lazy accusation that Saints strengthened in 'the wrong areas' during the transfer season. An article in today's Impotent (aka 'Independent') recycles the tired old 'insight'. I won't even bother linking to it, but it's titled 'Allardyce's smart summer buys put the extravagance of Adkins to shame' if you want to amuse/torture yourself.

Anyway, surely NA knew full well where we needed to strengthen? But we need the right people who will fit in with this squad and the 'vision' of the 'Southampton Way' (don't get cynical now!). Bear in mind that Saints have a certain 'profile' of player that we tend to go for: young, ambitious, already good but with bags of potential. That type of defensive player might have been difficult to come by in the summer. We seemingly lost out on left-back Alexander Buttner at the 11th hour. Yes, we now have Nat Clyne and Maya Yoshida (the latter especially still to settle in, fair to say). And maybe at least one other centre-half was sought but fell through - we don't know. (Anyone know why Aaron Martin has been missing lately at Crystal Palace, by the way?!). You can be sure NA, the coaching staff and the players will work extremely hard to get things right. They need our support in the meantime.

Let's just all hold our nerve and we'll get through this tricky spell!
but what experience was this "vision" built upon ?
[quote][p][bold]Portswood[/bold] wrote: Quite a few folk, including sports journalists, bandy around the lazy accusation that Saints strengthened in 'the wrong areas' during the transfer season. An article in today's Impotent (aka 'Independent') recycles the tired old 'insight'. I won't even bother linking to it, but it's titled 'Allardyce's smart summer buys put the extravagance of Adkins to shame' if you want to amuse/torture yourself. Anyway, surely NA knew full well where we needed to strengthen? But we need the right people who will fit in with this squad and the 'vision' of the 'Southampton Way' (don't get cynical now!). Bear in mind that Saints have a certain 'profile' of player that we tend to go for: young, ambitious, already good but with bags of potential. That type of defensive player might have been difficult to come by in the summer. We seemingly lost out on left-back Alexander Buttner at the 11th hour. Yes, we now have Nat Clyne and Maya Yoshida (the latter especially still to settle in, fair to say). And maybe at least one other centre-half was sought but fell through - we don't know. (Anyone know why Aaron Martin has been missing lately at Crystal Palace, by the way?!). You can be sure NA, the coaching staff and the players will work extremely hard to get things right. They need our support in the meantime. Let's just all hold our nerve and we'll get through this tricky spell![/p][/quote]but what experience was this "vision" built upon ? MGRA
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12:51pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Ted Rogers says...

We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on.
What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team.
I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement.
The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change.
I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.
We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on. What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team. I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement. The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change. I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune. Ted Rogers
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12:56pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match.

Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night.

Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game.
A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match. Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night. Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game. OSPREYSAINT
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1:03pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Ted Rogers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match.

Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night.

Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game.
Yet a man gets 6 months for disrupting the boat race?

Strange.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match. Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night. Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Yet a man gets 6 months for disrupting the boat race? Strange. Ted Rogers
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1:10pm Mon 22 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

16 weeks that is ridiculous
16 weeks that is ridiculous SO50 Saint
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1:37pm Mon 22 Oct 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
AaronLeeSaint says... 10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12 "... and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions." Could you tell us which position is a non-key position?
Forwards, we have array of goal scorers, so much so that we let Sharp out on loan.

Key, CB/LB for me.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: AaronLeeSaint says... 10:06am Mon 22 Oct 12 "... and I, like many others, am confused with spending the money on Gaston Ramirez when we could have spent that money on key positions." Could you tell us which position is a non-key position?[/p][/quote]Forwards, we have array of goal scorers, so much so that we let Sharp out on loan. Key, CB/LB for me. AaronLeeSaint
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1:37pm Mon 22 Oct 12

rednwhite42 says...

Sorry Adam , But Adkins picks the squad , formation , tactics and positions so yeah the lame lies with him. I watched the match on saturday and we struggled and our defence fell apart. Guly waste of space and time and leaving Lambert on bench ?. Play players in there right positions and fight for the ball. Adkins pass , pass , pass dont win games , defending shocking dont win games, use wings more be more attacking and ruthless as in the prem results matter and adkins is out of his debth.
Sorry Adam , But Adkins picks the squad , formation , tactics and positions so yeah the lame lies with him. I watched the match on saturday and we struggled and our defence fell apart. Guly waste of space and time and leaving Lambert on bench ?. Play players in there right positions and fight for the ball. Adkins pass , pass , pass dont win games , defending shocking dont win games, use wings more be more attacking and ruthless as in the prem results matter and adkins is out of his debth. rednwhite42
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1:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong.
It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong. CB FRY LIVES
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1:58pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Confucious says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong.
You are not the only rational and wise one Mr Hatter. I just heard a woman, who was playing croquet using a flamingo to hit a rolled up hedgehog, shout: "Off with his head."
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong.[/p][/quote]You are not the only rational and wise one Mr Hatter. I just heard a woman, who was playing croquet using a flamingo to hit a rolled up hedgehog, shout: "Off with his head." Confucious
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2:05pm Mon 22 Oct 12

lowe esteem says...

dennytg wrote:
I don't often comment on this site, but I read most of the posts people send in.
I sympathise with those that say a defensive coach would be an option.
Arsenal were a sensational attacking team last season, but let in too many goals to win anything. In the close season they engaged an ex-centre half of theirs' , Teve Bould to act as defensive coach. If it's good enough for Arsene Wenger, Nigel Adkins shouldn't be too worried.
Another point I would like to make is about the captaincy. I think it was a mistake to make Adam the captain. He should be concentrating on what he does best, getting in among opposition defenders.
Alan Pardew, didn't like the idea of Kelvin Davis being captain and soon appointed Hammond. In all my experience of playing and watchig football, the bt captains were either midfielders or defenders. They se the whole game around them. I would like to see Steve davis as captain. Lastly, leave Adkins alone. Stability is most important. There is still time to turn this around.
...and Arsenal had the most possession in PL this weekend...and still lost!
...and 68% (of fans polled) still want to keep Nigel despite the loaded question, -I want to keep Nigel but didn't vote because of this silly question.
...and GDPrado (and BSharp) has contributed more to Saints than JRodiguez so far-stats who'd have 'em?
I do trust and believe that NA WILL turn this bus around, and remember that last season (and even the one before that) WE couldn't afford to be without our best players for most of the games...that's silly...and I believe stats will bear that out too...!
So Saints NA/NC defend as a team, recognise the faults and back en route please. Thank you
[quote][p][bold]dennytg[/bold] wrote: I don't often comment on this site, but I read most of the posts people send in. I sympathise with those that say a defensive coach would be an option. Arsenal were a sensational attacking team last season, but let in too many goals to win anything. In the close season they engaged an ex-centre half of theirs' , Teve Bould to act as defensive coach. If it's good enough for Arsene Wenger, Nigel Adkins shouldn't be too worried. Another point I would like to make is about the captaincy. I think it was a mistake to make Adam the captain. He should be concentrating on what he does best, getting in among opposition defenders. Alan Pardew, didn't like the idea of Kelvin Davis being captain and soon appointed Hammond. In all my experience of playing and watchig football, the bt captains were either midfielders or defenders. They se the whole game around them. I would like to see Steve davis as captain. Lastly, leave Adkins alone. Stability is most important. There is still time to turn this around.[/p][/quote]...and Arsenal had the most possession in PL this weekend...and still lost! ...and 68% (of fans polled) still want to keep Nigel despite the loaded question, -I want to keep Nigel but didn't vote because of this silly question. ...and GDPrado (and BSharp) has contributed more to Saints than JRodiguez so far-stats who'd have 'em? I do trust and believe that NA WILL turn this bus around, and remember that last season (and even the one before that) WE couldn't afford to be without our best players for most of the games...that's silly...and I believe stats will bear that out too...! So Saints NA/NC defend as a team, recognise the faults and back en route please. Thank you lowe esteem
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2:06pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Tongdii says...

Hope we keep NA. He deserves our loyalty.
Worried though that he thinks possession is so important. Possession without an end product (i.e. work the goalkeeper.) is a waste of time.
Still think we should get someone to help the defence like Tony Adams.
Hope we keep NA. He deserves our loyalty. Worried though that he thinks possession is so important. Possession without an end product (i.e. work the goalkeeper.) is a waste of time. Still think we should get someone to help the defence like Tony Adams. Tongdii
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2:08pm Mon 22 Oct 12

lowe esteem says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match.

Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night.

Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game.
Yet a man gets 6 months for disrupting the boat race?

Strange.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: A football fan has been jailed for 16 weeks after he admitted attacking a goalkeeper during a televised football match. Aaron Cawley, 21, from Cheltenham, pleaded guilty to assault and invading the pitch during Sheffield Wednesday's home match against Leeds United on Friday night. Another reason for walking away from the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Yet a man gets 6 months for disrupting the boat race? Strange.[/p][/quote]Agreed lowe esteem
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2:09pm Mon 22 Oct 12

northernsaint1976 says...

on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain
on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain northernsaint1976
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2:37pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Landdo says...

Here's my 2 pence for what it's worth...

We were the better team for the 1st 45, in fact at 2 - 0 down I expected us still to rescue a point, but our defence and probably the rest of the team are low on confidence the tough start we have had hasn't helped at all and we're looking shell shocked, you can question leaving Ricky on the bench but for the 1st 45 mins we were fine without him, had we not given away 2 silly goals I could see him comming on at 60 mins and us pushing for a winner, we'd all be saying well done nige! Unfortunately his master plan went out the window when we conceded 2 terrible goals, how did that free kick go in! Then the pass to maya put maya in a fix and he didn't help himself, he should have made it his and if needed put it into touch, can't afford to take risks at the back, I like to pass out from the back but sometimes you just have to get rid! Anyway as I see it were now 2 goals adrift but still in the game we get one back and could well have got somthing out of the game but then gave away a penalty! Some times were to lack lister sometimes were to aggressive, it was at this point I felt we could no longer get anything from the game, 3 costly errors, they lie firmly on the players shoulders and had nothing to do with formation or substitutions, the lads need to wise up fast, the back line need to stop committing suicide someone in that back line needs to step up and take control Once this happens and nerves settle we'll be fine, we need to attack the balls into our box not try and just pull there players back, it might work in the championship but not in the premier league when that ball came in some one should have got there head on it and sent it back the way it came, or at the least out for a corner. Start doing these things and I feel we will pick up more points, Ramirez returning will help us keep the ball, and play the forwards in, to often we end up playing back to the keeper and forcing him to kick long under pressure, it's no wonder the keeper and back line are nervous, they need to stop putting each other under pressure if in doubt put your laces through it and get rid! Midfield need to be in positions to recieve a simple pass from the back so there not always forced to go back to the keeper

That's my observations, I dont feel we need a new manager, I still think Nigel is the right man, he says in his interview he don't know how to remedy us conversing like we have or somthing to that effect, and I can see why, it's not a tactical thing it's mostly a mental thing in my opinion and until the players can get passed it all nige can do is keep training and going over his kpi's, and all we can do as fans is cheer them on and inspire some confidence in them

C.O.Y.R

The players like the fans need to relax and enjoy there football, and don't over think things to the point of not being in the here and now
Here's my 2 pence for what it's worth... We were the better team for the 1st 45, in fact at 2 - 0 down I expected us still to rescue a point, but our defence and probably the rest of the team are low on confidence the tough start we have had hasn't helped at all and we're looking shell shocked, you can question leaving Ricky on the bench but for the 1st 45 mins we were fine without him, had we not given away 2 silly goals I could see him comming on at 60 mins and us pushing for a winner, we'd all be saying well done nige! Unfortunately his master plan went out the window when we conceded 2 terrible goals, how did that free kick go in! Then the pass to maya put maya in a fix and he didn't help himself, he should have made it his and if needed put it into touch, can't afford to take risks at the back, I like to pass out from the back but sometimes you just have to get rid! Anyway as I see it were now 2 goals adrift but still in the game we get one back and could well have got somthing out of the game but then gave away a penalty! Some times were to lack lister sometimes were to aggressive, it was at this point I felt we could no longer get anything from the game, 3 costly errors, they lie firmly on the players shoulders and had nothing to do with formation or substitutions, the lads need to wise up fast, the back line need to stop committing suicide someone in that back line needs to step up and take control Once this happens and nerves settle we'll be fine, we need to attack the balls into our box not try and just pull there players back, it might work in the championship but not in the premier league when that ball came in some one should have got there head on it and sent it back the way it came, or at the least out for a corner. Start doing these things and I feel we will pick up more points, Ramirez returning will help us keep the ball, and play the forwards in, to often we end up playing back to the keeper and forcing him to kick long under pressure, it's no wonder the keeper and back line are nervous, they need to stop putting each other under pressure if in doubt put your laces through it and get rid! Midfield need to be in positions to recieve a simple pass from the back so there not always forced to go back to the keeper That's my observations, I dont feel we need a new manager, I still think Nigel is the right man, he says in his interview he don't know how to remedy us conversing like we have or somthing to that effect, and I can see why, it's not a tactical thing it's mostly a mental thing in my opinion and until the players can get passed it all nige can do is keep training and going over his kpi's, and all we can do as fans is cheer them on and inspire some confidence in them C.O.Y.R The players like the fans need to relax and enjoy there football, and don't over think things to the point of not being in the here and now Landdo
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3:13pm Mon 22 Oct 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Confucious wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong.
You are not the only rational and wise one Mr Hatter. I just heard a woman, who was playing croquet using a flamingo to hit a rolled up hedgehog, shout: "Off with his head."
now old charles dodgson could teach mr cortese a thing or two about economics not to mention football.remember what the dormouse said. FEED YOUR HEAD or more to the point feed rickie lambert's head and he will score us the goals we need to stay up.mind you he ain't gonna score them if he's not playing.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: It is not NA'S fault.the real villain is CORTESE.He got his 5 year plan wrong.back in January 20012 we should have kicked on in the transfer market and bought in players with a proven premiership pedigree then we would have ended up as champions and then go into the summer transfer scene in a position of strength.lets face it since JAN 2012 we have just trod water.READING came from nowhere and saw us off.this season WEST HAM who couldn't touch us last season have really kicked on.why-because they have owners who know what running a premiership club is all about.NC'S 5 year plan has already flopped.lets hope like that other great bossman who relied on 5 year plans to keep the peasants happy-joseph stalin-mr CORTESE ends up done and dusted and consigned to the rubbish bin of history.that is where all would be dictators belong.[/p][/quote]You are not the only rational and wise one Mr Hatter. I just heard a woman, who was playing croquet using a flamingo to hit a rolled up hedgehog, shout: "Off with his head."[/p][/quote]now old charles dodgson could teach mr cortese a thing or two about economics not to mention football.remember what the dormouse said. FEED YOUR HEAD or more to the point feed rickie lambert's head and he will score us the goals we need to stay up.mind you he ain't gonna score them if he's not playing. CB FRY LIVES
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3:36pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Saint from the North says...

No one can deny its been a very difficult introduction to the Premier League. However, we must NOT forget the calibre of our early opposing teams coupled with the damaging injury list which we're currently suffering.
Adkins must be given time. It's far too soon to be considering a replacement.
The team needs a boost of confidence including the full support of the fans.
Onwards and upwards!
No one can deny its been a very difficult introduction to the Premier League. However, we must NOT forget the calibre of our early opposing teams coupled with the damaging injury list which we're currently suffering. Adkins must be given time. It's far too soon to be considering a replacement. The team needs a boost of confidence including the full support of the fans. Onwards and upwards! Saint from the North
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4:01pm Mon 22 Oct 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

Tottenham seems to be the vital fixture according to various media services.

Now at in terms of current form, beating spurs seems unlikely. With Adkins loosing his job. I don't want that to happen, he's done this club wonders, we've played attractive and successful football, we need to play to strengths and stick together. Breaking apart the manager and players would be disasterous for the club.

For example look at Coyle and Kean, they kept their jobs despite relegation and obviously poor form in the Championship cost them. I DO NOT want Southampton to become a short term job for managers, we need to retain some kind of consistency and team work and as fans we need to support the players and manager.
Tottenham seems to be the vital fixture according to various media services. Now at in terms of current form, beating spurs seems unlikely. With Adkins loosing his job. I don't want that to happen, he's done this club wonders, we've played attractive and successful football, we need to play to strengths and stick together. Breaking apart the manager and players would be disasterous for the club. For example look at Coyle and Kean, they kept their jobs despite relegation and obviously poor form in the Championship cost them. I DO NOT want Southampton to become a short term job for managers, we need to retain some kind of consistency and team work and as fans we need to support the players and manager. AaronLeeSaint
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4:05pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

northernsaint1976 wrote:
on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain
If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change.
[quote][p][bold]northernsaint1976[/bold] wrote: on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain[/p][/quote]If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change. OSPREYSAINT
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4:16pm Mon 22 Oct 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
northernsaint1976 wrote:
on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain
If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change.
get harry ratknapp in he will sort out the taxman.know what i mean geezer.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northernsaint1976[/bold] wrote: on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain[/p][/quote]If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change.[/p][/quote]get harry ratknapp in he will sort out the taxman.know what i mean geezer. CB FRY LIVES
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4:26pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Saint. says...

Absolutely piceless DE!

Also is the poll really necessary?
Absolutely piceless DE! Also is the poll really necessary? Saint.
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4:43pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Invidia says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on.
What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team.
I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement.
The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change.
I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.
I agree with every word you have written Ted Rogers I would also like to add that no team whatsoever has been relegated in October It may be the start of relegation but a lot of water to go under the bridge and all the rest of the football cliches before we sink
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on. What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team. I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement. The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change. I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.[/p][/quote]I agree with every word you have written Ted Rogers I would also like to add that no team whatsoever has been relegated in October It may be the start of relegation but a lot of water to go under the bridge and all the rest of the football cliches before we sink Invidia
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4:57pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
northernsaint1976 wrote:
on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain
If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change.
get harry ratknapp in he will sort out the taxman.know what i mean geezer.
Woof woof!
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northernsaint1976[/bold] wrote: on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain[/p][/quote]If we have got money problems there is less likelyhood of a managerial change.[/p][/quote]get harry ratknapp in he will sort out the taxman.know what i mean geezer.[/p][/quote]Woof woof! OSPREYSAINT
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5:02pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

northernsaint1976 wrote:
on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain
To be honest do you really think we would fall for that trap, that was one we avoided in our previous crisis, unlike our short changing rivals from down the road.
[quote][p][bold]northernsaint1976[/bold] wrote: on speaking to several media people up here in the north there are rumours within the football world that southampton are facing some sort of financial trouble with the rumour being an unpaid hmrc bill hopfully not truebut club are looking at making major cost savings at present with future funding not certain[/p][/quote]To be honest do you really think we would fall for that trap, that was one we avoided in our previous crisis, unlike our short changing rivals from down the road. OSPREYSAINT
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5:06pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Jesus_02 says...

northernsaint1976

I wouldnt listen to your northern journo mates

Saints have always been in finacial trouble due to constant overspending on "stars" according to the majority of local papers from the last two seasons.

We have been poor at the start of the season. Having very little show from difficult fixtures games like West Ham, Fulham and Wigan have suddently become must win games. We didnt get Butner in and we got rid of a relativly good left back

Everyone slated Dan Harding, but who on earth would you rather have Yoshida at full back?

Our problems start on the wings, come through the full backs and onto the center halves, its not just Jos and Fonte that are the problem, its just where it ends up.
northernsaint1976 I wouldnt listen to your northern journo mates Saints have always been in finacial trouble due to constant overspending on "stars" according to the majority of local papers from the last two seasons. We have been poor at the start of the season. Having very little show from difficult fixtures games like West Ham, Fulham and Wigan have suddently become must win games. We didnt get Butner in and we got rid of a relativly good left back Everyone slated Dan Harding, but who on earth would you rather have Yoshida at full back? Our problems start on the wings, come through the full backs and onto the center halves, its not just Jos and Fonte that are the problem, its just where it ends up. Jesus_02
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5:16pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Saint. says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on.
What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team.
I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement.
The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change.
I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.
Pretty much identical piece word for word on my post earlier in the week in the NA story titled " I don't know how long I got"!

Only thing to add to my post, is DE are putting a negative slant on it, but it could also and hopefully cover that infact NA has years with Southampton F.C. and indeed he would not know.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on. What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team. I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement. The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change. I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.[/p][/quote]Pretty much identical piece word for word on my post earlier in the week in the NA story titled " I don't know how long I got"! Only thing to add to my post, is DE are putting a negative slant on it, but it could also and hopefully cover that infact NA has years with Southampton F.C. and indeed he would not know. Saint.
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5:32pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint. wrote:
Absolutely piceless DE!

Also is the poll really necessary?
Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet?
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Absolutely piceless DE! Also is the poll really necessary?[/p][/quote]Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet? OSPREYSAINT
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6:17pm Mon 22 Oct 12

saintbobby says...

Invidia wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on.
What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team.
I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement.
The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change.
I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.
I agree with every word you have written Ted Rogers I would also like to add that no team whatsoever has been relegated in October It may be the start of relegation but a lot of water to go under the bridge and all the rest of the football cliches before we sink
I also agree but what really worries me is that not winning is just not good for both confidence and morale.

Nigel says he is determined to keep to an attractive passing game and praise be for such a belief. Great for the fans BUT at some point Saints have got to shut the door. It's obvious that if you keep a clean sheet then you only have to score one goal.

May not be so attractive, but gets 3 points and will help to secure our real objective this year - 17th place!!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: We can all speculate about the dealings in the transfer window but none of us have any true authority on what went on, who we were in for and who we missed out on. What is fact is that we have a young, talented manager that we should keep and let develop himself and this team. I don't want to see the instability and managerial merry go round that has plagued our great club in recent years; history shows it does nothing to guarantee improvement. The facts are that we are shipping too many goals, our defenders, to a man, are not performing; they hold the key to getting results not managerial change. I'm bored by the impatience of the many supposed fans on this site and frustrated by their lack of football knowledge, so much so that I'm going to refrain from reading any further comments re Saints until our results improve (they undoubtedly will) which will probably mean that the doubting, reactionary, clueless and drivel spouting morons may change their depressing tune.[/p][/quote]I agree with every word you have written Ted Rogers I would also like to add that no team whatsoever has been relegated in October It may be the start of relegation but a lot of water to go under the bridge and all the rest of the football cliches before we sink[/p][/quote]I also agree but what really worries me is that not winning is just not good for both confidence and morale. Nigel says he is determined to keep to an attractive passing game and praise be for such a belief. Great for the fans BUT at some point Saints have got to shut the door. It's obvious that if you keep a clean sheet then you only have to score one goal. May not be so attractive, but gets 3 points and will help to secure our real objective this year - 17th place!! saintbobby
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9:36pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Saint. says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Absolutely piceless DE!

Also is the poll really necessary?
Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet?
Pointless fun, bordering on trouble making!

NA is the right manager for Saints and will make us climb this league before long!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Absolutely piceless DE! Also is the poll really necessary?[/p][/quote]Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet?[/p][/quote]Pointless fun, bordering on trouble making! NA is the right manager for Saints and will make us climb this league before long! Saint.
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10:47pm Mon 22 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint. wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Absolutely piceless DE!

Also is the poll really necessary?
Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet?
Pointless fun, bordering on trouble making!

NA is the right manager for Saints and will make us climb this league before long!
I do hope so, had a similar battle in the 1970's to keep Lawrie Mac in the seat, the rest as they say is history, no internet in them days!
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Absolutely piceless DE! Also is the poll really necessary?[/p][/quote]Not necessary, just a bit of fun, lighten up, have you voted him out yet?[/p][/quote]Pointless fun, bordering on trouble making! NA is the right manager for Saints and will make us climb this league before long![/p][/quote]I do hope so, had a similar battle in the 1970's to keep Lawrie Mac in the seat, the rest as they say is history, no internet in them days! OSPREYSAINT
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3:57am Tue 23 Oct 12

Taupo bt says...

Can anybody tell me who is likely to be in goal against Spurs?-Draw straws?
Can anybody tell me who is likely to be in goal against Spurs?-Draw straws? Taupo bt
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5:35am Tue 23 Oct 12

martin van tuyl says...

Seems to me there is too much talk. After every game, there is always some excuse, but we are 8 games in already and have only picked up 4 points. The 24 goals we have conceded is also worth a inus point come the end of the season.

Time to get real. Just play ugly for a while and start picking up points. At the moment, I can only see relegation looming by January.
Seems to me there is too much talk. After every game, there is always some excuse, but we are 8 games in already and have only picked up 4 points. The 24 goals we have conceded is also worth a inus point come the end of the season. Time to get real. Just play ugly for a while and start picking up points. At the moment, I can only see relegation looming by January. martin van tuyl
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6:15am Tue 23 Oct 12

White and red till dead says...

This may be a contentious point, but is Lallana's captaincy up to scratch? His captaincy has coincided with our poor form - is he leading the line as he should? He does not appear to have the presence of say Lambert or Fonte. He's a great player, but maybe the captaincy has come a little too soon...
This may be a contentious point, but is Lallana's captaincy up to scratch? His captaincy has coincided with our poor form - is he leading the line as he should? He does not appear to have the presence of say Lambert or Fonte. He's a great player, but maybe the captaincy has come a little too soon... White and red till dead
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