PSP Southampton Boat Show safe despite scrapping of rival Liverpool show

Daily Echo: Southampton Boat Show will go on Southampton Boat Show will go on

THE bosses of PSP Southampton Boat Show have insisted this year’s showpiece event will not be harmed by the cancellation of a rival event in Liverpool.

Organisers have scrapped the Liverpool Boat Show just weeks before it was due to take place for the first time, blaming the crippling impact of the economic climate on the marine industry.

But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession, and will continue to provide its major boost to the local economy. Last year’s Mayflower Park event attracted more than 122,000 visitors, and brought more than £16m to the region.

The head of the firm behind the show said the PSP Southampton Boat Show was important for manufacturers, and early indications are they will be standing by it.

Murray Ellis, acting managing director of National Boat Shows, said: “We know the current economic conditions are difficult, but I think the difference is Southampton is a well-established, long-standing and much-loved event.

“It’s going to be tough, but the industry needs Southamp-ton because it is a vital platform. I don’t think the same could happen.”

Organisers said 300 exhibitors were signed up for the Liverpool show and ticket sales had been “flying”. They say it was axed because exhibitors were hit by poor sales at the “commercially disastrous” London show.

Frank Dixie, managing director of Southampton Boat Show sponsor PSP said Liverpool’s failure was a “tragedy”, but was not caused by other events.

He said: “It was the right idea, but at the wrong time. It’s probably one show too many for the UK.

“Southampton is the jewel in the crown as far as national boat shows is concerned, and it’s highly unlikely this will have a devastating effect on Southampton, because people are trying to get into it, not out.”

Southampton City Council leader, Cllr Royston Smith said he did not see the Merseyside event as competition.

He said: “But (its cancellation) underlines the strength of the Southampton Boat Show, which has a reputation established over 40 years and is profitable.”

Southampton City Centre manager, Ian Welland said the boat show was vital to the city’s standing as the “capital of the south”. He said: “It is the biggest event to arrive in Southampton every year and brings visitors and businesses together, generating a tremendous amount of income, not to mention excellent marketing and promotional opportunities for our glorious city.”

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3:50pm Thu 17 Feb 11

southy says...

"But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession,"
should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words.

who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.
"But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee. southy

4:59pm Thu 17 Feb 11

solent.student says...

Southampton 2
Liverpool 0

Another win from the city wars with Liverpool.
Southampton 2 Liverpool 0 Another win from the city wars with Liverpool. solent.student

5:28pm Thu 17 Feb 11

soton1980 says...

I'm not surprised the Liverpool Boat Show was canceled, as the location was poor. The Southampton event is in an ideal location on the south coast and two boat shows in the UK is more than enough for the time being.
I'm not surprised the Liverpool Boat Show was canceled, as the location was poor. The Southampton event is in an ideal location on the south coast and two boat shows in the UK is more than enough for the time being. soton1980

5:51pm Thu 17 Feb 11

frenchvic says...

southy wrote:
"But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.
I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.[/p][/quote]I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats. frenchvic

5:57pm Thu 17 Feb 11

cyber_fug says...

I reckon he's getting mixed up with Beaulieu Boat jumble
I reckon he's getting mixed up with Beaulieu Boat jumble cyber_fug

6:02pm Thu 17 Feb 11

MGRA says...

liverpool was stupid to even think about a national 3rd boat show. Southampton and London work well and london is often used as a browsing event with deals firmed up at southampton. There was never a need for a 3rd show. Ridiculous.
liverpool was stupid to even think about a national 3rd boat show. Southampton and London work well and london is often used as a browsing event with deals firmed up at southampton. There was never a need for a 3rd show. Ridiculous. MGRA

6:28pm Thu 17 Feb 11

A-concerned-Mum says...

I should hope so after they flattened the kiddies play area for it!! That new so called play park is awful and the fumes from the passing traffic are horrendous!!
I should hope so after they flattened the kiddies play area for it!! That new so called play park is awful and the fumes from the passing traffic are horrendous!! A-concerned-Mum

6:31pm Thu 17 Feb 11

southy says...

frenchvic wrote:
southy wrote:
"But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.
I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats.
it started in the early 60's the late 60's was when the commercial lot took over, mayflower park was where it first started, stated by local reg fishermen, a few pleasure craft owners, few yachties, a few small time boat builders, local marine shops like classic marine.
in the early 60's there was very little about, and it was a way to get rid of surplus gear to requirements it was aim at more you small time commercial river users than it was for the pleasure side of it.
the commercial lot applied to the council to take it over in the mid 60's, with the consent of the stall holders who was all ready there, and now its mainly about the pleasure craft. and not the working small vessels.
a lot of boat shows around the country all had the basic start up like southampton. the exceptions are london and birmingham boat shows, they started off in the commercial pleasure craft.
[quote][p][bold]frenchvic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.[/p][/quote]I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats.[/p][/quote]it started in the early 60's the late 60's was when the commercial lot took over, mayflower park was where it first started, stated by local reg fishermen, a few pleasure craft owners, few yachties, a few small time boat builders, local marine shops like classic marine. in the early 60's there was very little about, and it was a way to get rid of surplus gear to requirements it was aim at more you small time commercial river users than it was for the pleasure side of it. the commercial lot applied to the council to take it over in the mid 60's, with the consent of the stall holders who was all ready there, and now its mainly about the pleasure craft. and not the working small vessels. a lot of boat shows around the country all had the basic start up like southampton. the exceptions are london and birmingham boat shows, they started off in the commercial pleasure craft. southy

6:47pm Thu 17 Feb 11

frenchvic says...

southy wrote:
frenchvic wrote:
southy wrote: "But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.
I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats.
it started in the early 60's the late 60's was when the commercial lot took over, mayflower park was where it first started, stated by local reg fishermen, a few pleasure craft owners, few yachties, a few small time boat builders, local marine shops like classic marine. in the early 60's there was very little about, and it was a way to get rid of surplus gear to requirements it was aim at more you small time commercial river users than it was for the pleasure side of it. the commercial lot applied to the council to take it over in the mid 60's, with the consent of the stall holders who was all ready there, and now its mainly about the pleasure craft. and not the working small vessels. a lot of boat shows around the country all had the basic start up like southampton. the exceptions are london and birmingham boat shows, they started off in the commercial pleasure craft.
I stand corrected. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchvic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "But Southampton’s “jewel in the crown” event has been hailed as too strong to also fall victim to the recession," should never say things like that, they end up being famous last words. who would of though that an event like this that got started by local rivers users getting together and selling there surplus stuff, getting so big and it was free to get into back in the very early days, before the commercial lot took over and started to charge and entry fee.[/p][/quote]I am bound to be corrected by Southy, but i am sure the boat show started in the late 60's in Mayflower park. You had to pay to go in, but the people on the gate could not stop you going in to play pitch and putt, they actually told you not to look at the boats.[/p][/quote]it started in the early 60's the late 60's was when the commercial lot took over, mayflower park was where it first started, stated by local reg fishermen, a few pleasure craft owners, few yachties, a few small time boat builders, local marine shops like classic marine. in the early 60's there was very little about, and it was a way to get rid of surplus gear to requirements it was aim at more you small time commercial river users than it was for the pleasure side of it. the commercial lot applied to the council to take it over in the mid 60's, with the consent of the stall holders who was all ready there, and now its mainly about the pleasure craft. and not the working small vessels. a lot of boat shows around the country all had the basic start up like southampton. the exceptions are london and birmingham boat shows, they started off in the commercial pleasure craft.[/p][/quote]I stand corrected. Thanks. frenchvic

11:25pm Thu 17 Feb 11

mi76 says...

Shame. I like being able to drive past that area within the space of 5 minutes - not 25.
Shame. I like being able to drive past that area within the space of 5 minutes - not 25. mi76

6:46am Fri 18 Feb 11

arizonan says...

The location of the Liverpool Boat Show is without doubt, the finest in the UK,and one of the best in Europe, the largest collection of grade 1 listed buildings, UNESCO World Heritage site, etc. etc.
The company behind the venture is from London and Sir Robin Knox Johnston is a very enthusiastic backer, not only of the boat show, but the port and City of Liverpool.
No blame can be attached to Liverpool for this failure, nor, I believe MIE.

The fact that ticket sales had outstripped all other boat shows by the thousands, just proves the pent up demand from the rest of the UK for such an event, outside the South.
The ludicrous suggestion is that a country of 60 million can only support 2 boat shows.
If the show had gone ahead, it would have been a success. In normal times, it would have been a huge success. There is money and people who want to spend it, outside of London and the south coast.
The location of the Liverpool Boat Show is without doubt, the finest in the UK,and one of the best in Europe, the largest collection of grade 1 listed buildings, UNESCO World Heritage site, etc. etc. The company behind the venture is from London and Sir Robin Knox Johnston is a very enthusiastic backer, not only of the boat show, but the port and City of Liverpool. No blame can be attached to Liverpool for this failure, nor, I believe MIE. The fact that ticket sales had outstripped all other boat shows by the thousands, just proves the pent up demand from the rest of the UK for such an event, outside the South. The ludicrous suggestion is that a country of 60 million can only support 2 boat shows. If the show had gone ahead, it would have been a success. In normal times, it would have been a huge success. There is money and people who want to spend it, outside of London and the south coast. arizonan

8:31am Fri 18 Feb 11

thesotonsaint says...

arizonan wrote:
The location of the Liverpool Boat Show is without doubt, the finest in the UK,and one of the best in Europe, the largest collection of grade 1 listed buildings, UNESCO World Heritage site, etc. etc. The company behind the venture is from London and Sir Robin Knox Johnston is a very enthusiastic backer, not only of the boat show, but the port and City of Liverpool. No blame can be attached to Liverpool for this failure, nor, I believe MIE. The fact that ticket sales had outstripped all other boat shows by the thousands, just proves the pent up demand from the rest of the UK for such an event, outside the South. The ludicrous suggestion is that a country of 60 million can only support 2 boat shows. If the show had gone ahead, it would have been a success. In normal times, it would have been a huge success. There is money and people who want to spend it, outside of London and the south coast.
How random was that?? I am sure the purpose of the boatshow is to view boats and boating paraphernalia, not buildings or they would go to Liverpool any time of the year.

As for the fact that there are 60 million people in this country, take out the majority of those who are immigrants, criminals and those who have no interested in boats and you still have the same fraternity of people.

Still I bet all those benefits spongers will be gutted they can't get their hands on some VHF radio's! I bet theres not the same market for those as car stereo's though!!
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: The location of the Liverpool Boat Show is without doubt, the finest in the UK,and one of the best in Europe, the largest collection of grade 1 listed buildings, UNESCO World Heritage site, etc. etc. The company behind the venture is from London and Sir Robin Knox Johnston is a very enthusiastic backer, not only of the boat show, but the port and City of Liverpool. No blame can be attached to Liverpool for this failure, nor, I believe MIE. The fact that ticket sales had outstripped all other boat shows by the thousands, just proves the pent up demand from the rest of the UK for such an event, outside the South. The ludicrous suggestion is that a country of 60 million can only support 2 boat shows. If the show had gone ahead, it would have been a success. In normal times, it would have been a huge success. There is money and people who want to spend it, outside of London and the south coast.[/p][/quote]How random was that?? I am sure the purpose of the boatshow is to view boats and boating paraphernalia, not buildings or they would go to Liverpool any time of the year. As for the fact that there are 60 million people in this country, take out the majority of those who are immigrants, criminals and those who have no interested in boats and you still have the same fraternity of people. Still I bet all those benefits spongers will be gutted they can't get their hands on some VHF radio's! I bet theres not the same market for those as car stereo's though!! thesotonsaint

11:59am Fri 18 Feb 11

Linesman says...

Of course the Boat Show is safe. Despite Cameron's 'Big Society' claims, the ones that would be buying the boats are not the ones that are being affected by the cuts.
Of course the Boat Show is safe. Despite Cameron's 'Big Society' claims, the ones that would be buying the boats are not the ones that are being affected by the cuts. Linesman

6:28pm Fri 18 Feb 11

arizonan says...

Thesotonsaint obviously knows his marketing stuff. The publishers of,' What Car,' were no doubt wasting their time and money when photographing their,' car's of the year' against the background of Liverpool's architecture.
I also put in the etc.etc. to give a clue that there is a lot more than architecture on offer. Perhaps you could improve your ignorance by doing a little investigation on the internet.
Also, please let me know what it is like to live in the crime-free nirvana of Southampton and the South Coast.
Thesotonsaint obviously knows his marketing stuff. The publishers of,' What Car,' were no doubt wasting their time and money when photographing their,' car's of the year' against the background of Liverpool's architecture. I also put in the etc.etc. to give a clue that there is a lot more than architecture on offer. Perhaps you could improve your ignorance by doing a little investigation on the internet. Also, please let me know what it is like to live in the crime-free nirvana of Southampton and the South Coast. arizonan

6:39pm Fri 18 Feb 11

arizonan says...

The Southern Echo headline,' City of Liverpool scrapped its annual boat show,'is incorrect.
The City of Liverpool did not and has not organised any boat shows.
The Southern Echo headline,' City of Liverpool scrapped its annual boat show,'is incorrect. The City of Liverpool did not and has not organised any boat shows. arizonan

10:27am Sat 19 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

Its disappointing that there seems to be a Liverpool v Southampton thread affecting the respective Echo comments nowadays.
It is a shame that the Liverpool Boat Show had to be cancelled
However one point that concerns me is the statement that tickets were 'flying'
In my experience around 80-85% of tickets for such events are bought on the day. The remaining ie advance tickets are generally part of sponsorship packages linked to stand occupation.
As a previous poster said there does seem to be some unanswered questions
Its disappointing that there seems to be a Liverpool v Southampton thread affecting the respective Echo comments nowadays. It is a shame that the Liverpool Boat Show had to be cancelled However one point that concerns me is the statement that tickets were 'flying' In my experience around 80-85% of tickets for such events are bought on the day. The remaining ie advance tickets are generally part of sponsorship packages linked to stand occupation. As a previous poster said there does seem to be some unanswered questions phil maccavity

2:00pm Sat 19 Feb 11

dronskisaint says...

arizonan wrote:
The Southern Echo headline,' City of Liverpool scrapped its annual boat show,'is incorrect. The City of Liverpool did not and has not organised any boat shows.
Quite correct

As someone who has exhibited at Southampton for decades & one who would have been exhibiting at Liverpool I do think that Liverpool offered something a little different aside from pure geography. In common with a number of exhibitors I wonder if the London Boat Show may eventually prove to be the one too many.
Southampton is very much the one most would attend - most are geared to new models being launched in September rather than January these days and London, although at a quiet time of year, is the most ludicrously overpriced of the group.
It's good to open up the debate - in good times none of the shows would necessarily exclude the other but the last to be sacrificed for most would be Southampton.
It remains to be seen whether the Liverpool show was sufficiently financed...if I was asked now having not received any indication or assurance of the likelihood of having our deposit returned I'd be inclined to doubt it...& therein lies a different discussion.
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: The Southern Echo headline,' City of Liverpool scrapped its annual boat show,'is incorrect. The City of Liverpool did not and has not organised any boat shows.[/p][/quote]Quite correct As someone who has exhibited at Southampton for decades & one who would have been exhibiting at Liverpool I do think that Liverpool offered something a little different aside from pure geography. In common with a number of exhibitors I wonder if the London Boat Show may eventually prove to be the one too many. Southampton is very much the one most would attend - most are geared to new models being launched in September rather than January these days and London, although at a quiet time of year, is the most ludicrously overpriced of the group. It's good to open up the debate - in good times none of the shows would necessarily exclude the other but the last to be sacrificed for most would be Southampton. It remains to be seen whether the Liverpool show was sufficiently financed...if I was asked now having not received any indication or assurance of the likelihood of having our deposit returned I'd be inclined to doubt it...& therein lies a different discussion. dronskisaint

3:04pm Sat 19 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

It seems that an on water boat show would present a more suitable location so the theory behind Liverpool is sensible.
The financing question remains open.
However it has been suggested that a number of exhibitors have not asked for their deposits to be returned.
Does this seem likely?
It seems that an on water boat show would present a more suitable location so the theory behind Liverpool is sensible. The financing question remains open. However it has been suggested that a number of exhibitors have not asked for their deposits to be returned. Does this seem likely? phil maccavity

4:47pm Sat 19 Feb 11

dronskisaint says...

phil maccavity wrote:
It seems that an on water boat show would present a more suitable location so the theory behind Liverpool is sensible. The financing question remains open. However it has been suggested that a number of exhibitors have not asked for their deposits to be returned. Does this seem likely?
It was reported, albeit by the organisers, that this was the case.

I'm doubtful, however, as I suspect that emanates from the fact that by the terms of the contract, the deposit was not refundable should the exhibitor be the one who withdrew. My guess is that a number withdrew accepting that they would not get their deposit back and this has given rise to the statement.

It also says that the deposit is refundable should the show not go ahead so we'll see if they have the integrity, not to mention the money to do that.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: It seems that an on water boat show would present a more suitable location so the theory behind Liverpool is sensible. The financing question remains open. However it has been suggested that a number of exhibitors have not asked for their deposits to be returned. Does this seem likely?[/p][/quote]It was reported, albeit by the organisers, that this was the case. I'm doubtful, however, as I suspect that emanates from the fact that by the terms of the contract, the deposit was not refundable should the exhibitor be the one who withdrew. My guess is that a number withdrew accepting that they would not get their deposit back and this has given rise to the statement. It also says that the deposit is refundable should the show not go ahead so we'll see if they have the integrity, not to mention the money to do that. dronskisaint

6:50pm Sat 19 Feb 11

Ben Doone says...

Some spin by the organisers or their PR company perhaps?
Any idea of the identity of the 25 who withdrew to cause the cancellation?
Reportedly all were Boat builders and therefore likely to be based in this region
Some spin by the organisers or their PR company perhaps? Any idea of the identity of the 25 who withdrew to cause the cancellation? Reportedly all were Boat builders and therefore likely to be based in this region Ben Doone

2:10pm Sun 20 Feb 11

dronskisaint says...

Ben Doone wrote:
Some spin by the organisers or their PR company perhaps? Any idea of the identity of the 25 who withdrew to cause the cancellation? Reportedly all were Boat builders and therefore likely to be based in this region
Only that they were significant enough to leave the show looking a little bare so I'd guess among their number would be the bigger power boat builders but that's conjecture on my part.

No names have been mentioned in connection with this so far...I guess more will come out over the next few weeks - the phone appears not to be being answered any more & messages have not been returned.
[quote][p][bold]Ben Doone[/bold] wrote: Some spin by the organisers or their PR company perhaps? Any idea of the identity of the 25 who withdrew to cause the cancellation? Reportedly all were Boat builders and therefore likely to be based in this region[/p][/quote]Only that they were significant enough to leave the show looking a little bare so I'd guess among their number would be the bigger power boat builders but that's conjecture on my part. No names have been mentioned in connection with this so far...I guess more will come out over the next few weeks - the phone appears not to be being answered any more & messages have not been returned. dronskisaint

5:40pm Mon 21 Feb 11

arizonan says...

The idea that 3 boat shows is 1 too many seems a bit strange when you look at the number of boat shows held in other countries.
In the US for example, there are approximately 98 boat shows per year for a population of 320 million.
In the UK, in comparison, 3 boat shows don't seem anywhere near enough for a population of 60 million.
When you add in International visitors, the figures look even more skewed in favour of more, not less boat shows.
The idea that 3 boat shows is 1 too many seems a bit strange when you look at the number of boat shows held in other countries. In the US for example, there are approximately 98 boat shows per year for a population of 320 million. In the UK, in comparison, 3 boat shows don't seem anywhere near enough for a population of 60 million. When you add in International visitors, the figures look even more skewed in favour of more, not less boat shows. arizonan

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