Adkins: I've got faith in Paulo

Paulo Gazzaniga

Paulo Gazzaniga

First published in Saints News

Nigel Adkins could stick with Paulo Gazzaniga – despite the young keeper’s latest blunder.

Adkins has placed a lot of faith in the 20-year-old summer recruit from Gillingham, left, and is adamant the Argentinian will become a top stopper.

But it is hard to learn your trade in the Premier League, especially in such an exposed position, and three high profile errors in the last four games have thrust Gazzaniga into the spotlight.

With experienced keepers Kelvin Davis and Artur Boruc waiting in the wings, it was expected that Adkins would make a change after Gazzaniga’s howler gifted Norwich their equalising goal in the 1-1 midweek draw at St Mary’s.

That would have been the fourth time this season that Adkins had made a change of keeper, and none through injury.

However, Adkins has suggested that the youngster might yet face his sternest test to date, a trip to face Liverpool at Anfield tomorrow.

One-time Liverpool schoolboy keeper Adkins said: “Listen, he is a young goalkeeper.

“Situations are going to be highlighted if we don't keep clean sheets, he doesn't make saves, doesn't kick the ball right, doesn't catch it.

“They just get highlighted and magnified even more so, but we've got to have confidence in the young man.

"We believe he is going to the very, very top and I have certainly got a lot of confidence in him.”

Gazzaniga was also at fault for the equaliser against Swansea recently and, while unbeaten in four matches, Saints could have been going to Anfield on the back of four successive wins had it not been for those mistakes.

“Likewise it could have been less if he hadn’t made the saves against Newcastle and other saves in other games,”

Adkins said in Gazzaniga’s defence.

Adkins’ comments suggest Gazzaniga will start again for Saints at Anfield, but he was coy when asked about the fitness of Danny Fox, Frazer Richardson and Richard Chaplow.

“On the training ground some of them were there this morning,” he said. “They’re getting closer to a return.”

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8:30am Fri 30 Nov 12

Barney123 says...

Still got faith in him.... until the transfer window!
Still got faith in him.... until the transfer window! Barney123
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8:38am Fri 30 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Use your great wisdom Tangohead and tell him he must keep the ball out of his net.
Use your great wisdom Tangohead and tell him he must keep the ball out of his net. kent141
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8:39am Fri 30 Nov 12

mike saint says...

He is the best of a bad bunch. Cant wait until the Transfer window opens some big spending to be done.
He is the best of a bad bunch. Cant wait until the Transfer window opens some big spending to be done. mike saint
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8:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you think we have GK problems have a look at The News site at the mess that the blue phew find themselves in, just 1 GK available and the FL won't let them loan any more.
If you think we have GK problems have a look at The News site at the mess that the blue phew find themselves in, just 1 GK available and the FL won't let them loan any more. OSPREYSAINT
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8:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

costa gaz says...

Just hoping the setting up of defensive walls was worked on in training this week.
Only 3 players between Snodgrass and the goal, the others marking, waiting for a cross that was never going to happen.
Schoolboy error.
Just hoping the setting up of defensive walls was worked on in training this week. Only 3 players between Snodgrass and the goal, the others marking, waiting for a cross that was never going to happen. Schoolboy error. costa gaz
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8:51am Fri 30 Nov 12

devonsaint2 says...

costa gaz
I was behind the goal and if there had been no wall it would have been even easier to catch.
Goalkeeping blunder pure and simple
Still does not stop me supporting him or Kelvin whoever gets in at Anfield. Looking forward to the atmosphere.

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costa gaz I was behind the goal and if there had been no wall it would have been even easier to catch. Goalkeeping blunder pure and simple Still does not stop me supporting him or Kelvin whoever gets in at Anfield. Looking forward to the atmosphere. 14.12.12 devonsaint2
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9:05am Fri 30 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

far far too much being made of this last one. He got to it, just didn't get enough on it to stop it.

Even the best goalie in the world has those every once in a while.

Just get behind the lad and give him support - he'll come good.
far far too much being made of this last one. He got to it, just didn't get enough on it to stop it. Even the best goalie in the world has those every once in a while. Just get behind the lad and give him support - he'll come good. Stroppy_gramps
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9:13am Fri 30 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
far far too much being made of this last one. He got to it, just didn't get enough on it to stop it.

Even the best goalie in the world has those every once in a while.

Just get behind the lad and give him support - he'll come good.
That's fair enough about the blunder. But he remains rooted to the spot when he should come and collect and you could see the defenders didn't want to pass back to him, so it's more than just the blunder.



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[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: far far too much being made of this last one. He got to it, just didn't get enough on it to stop it. Even the best goalie in the world has those every once in a while. Just get behind the lad and give him support - he'll come good.[/p][/quote]That's fair enough about the blunder. But he remains rooted to the spot when he should come and collect and you could see the defenders didn't want to pass back to him, so it's more than just the blunder. 14.12.12 Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:14am Fri 30 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Just had a look at the highlights and Clyne did get to the ball first, to toe poke it to Ramirez, but clattered Snodgrass in the process, easy free kick to give. The free kick itself was a bit of a mishit, but both Puncheon and also Spider, too busy protecting his crown jewels may have reacted quicker, but it all has to go down as a GK howler, which will feature on many a gaff video for years to come. The lad has apologised, can't change it now, hope he makes up for it in games to come, He is young and still has much to learn.
Just had a look at the highlights and Clyne did get to the ball first, to toe poke it to Ramirez, but clattered Snodgrass in the process, easy free kick to give. The free kick itself was a bit of a mishit, but both Puncheon and also Spider, too busy protecting his crown jewels may have reacted quicker, but it all has to go down as a GK howler, which will feature on many a gaff video for years to come. The lad has apologised, can't change it now, hope he makes up for it in games to come, He is young and still has much to learn. OSPREYSAINT
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9:20am Fri 30 Nov 12

Dickosfc says...

I believe he'll come good in the end but I'm not sure at what cost. We'd be mid table if it wasn't for his blunders. I'm still on the fence but they say a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season.
I believe he'll come good in the end but I'm not sure at what cost. We'd be mid table if it wasn't for his blunders. I'm still on the fence but they say a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season. Dickosfc
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9:23am Fri 30 Nov 12

Don-Irelando says...

Agreed!! He is a quality keeper but he's young and any mistake as a keeper usually cost you a goal. I would prefer him between the sticks, make a mistake, learn and become a top keeper than Kelvin who will make similar mistakes and then retire!
Agreed!! He is a quality keeper but he's young and any mistake as a keeper usually cost you a goal. I would prefer him between the sticks, make a mistake, learn and become a top keeper than Kelvin who will make similar mistakes and then retire! Don-Irelando
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9:24am Fri 30 Nov 12

lowemustgo says...

When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either.
The difference in class is just too much.
Learn from this mistake and put KD back in goal. I make it six points lost from GK errors. That's relegation form.
Remember and learn(if you don't know) Nigel and Nicola that Saints were relegated in 2005 because we threw away too many winning positions with more than ten games ending in draws. Just two less goals conceded and we would have been safe. We MUST have a better GK than Gazza in the team or its relegation.
When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either. The difference in class is just too much. Learn from this mistake and put KD back in goal. I make it six points lost from GK errors. That's relegation form. Remember and learn(if you don't know) Nigel and Nicola that Saints were relegated in 2005 because we threw away too many winning positions with more than ten games ending in draws. Just two less goals conceded and we would have been safe. We MUST have a better GK than Gazza in the team or its relegation. lowemustgo
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9:58am Fri 30 Nov 12

Roperdon says...

Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management. Roperdon
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10:08am Fri 30 Nov 12

EdTryon says...

We need a new keeper in the long term, in the short term Kelvin is a better option, bring in Butland in January and also http://www.telegraph
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We need a new keeper in the long term, in the short term Kelvin is a better option, bring in Butland in January and also http://www.telegraph .co.uk/sport/footbal l/teams/manchester-c ity/9713071/Manchest er-City-to-loan-out- England-defender-Jol eon-Lescott-in-Janua ry-transfer-window.h tml EdTryon
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10:22am Fri 30 Nov 12

Don-Irelando says...

"When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either.
The difference in class is just too much."




Well I'm not 100% sure when the last one was put a player that is probably worth a mention is JOE HART!! 2006 went from Shrewsbury Town to Manchester City! Im all for Gazza learning his craft in a difficult situation whilst he is the best we have got. Then if backup arrives in january he can look to go on loan.

wake up and do your research!!
"When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either. The difference in class is just too much." Well I'm not 100% sure when the last one was put a player that is probably worth a mention is JOE HART!! 2006 went from Shrewsbury Town to Manchester City! Im all for Gazza learning his craft in a difficult situation whilst he is the best we have got. Then if backup arrives in january he can look to go on loan. wake up and do your research!! Don-Irelando
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10:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

Block 34 says...

Agree Gazza will be a top keeper, but he isn't yet. Loan him out, put Kelvin or Boruc in - neither of those would be making the errors that Gazza has made.

Get sentimental & get relegated!!

As for Butland, I disagree - Brad Froedel may be available, and that's what we need Experience. Otherwise stick with kelvin - he has his moments, but he's a good keeper & deserves the chance to imprive - just like Fonte, Fox, Guly, & half of the rest!

The lads have been brilliant recently - the Newcastle game was one of the best games I've seen in a long time! I wouldn't be surprised if we win at Anfield, but we must stop the free giveaways in goal!!!
Agree Gazza will be a top keeper, but he isn't yet. Loan him out, put Kelvin or Boruc in - neither of those would be making the errors that Gazza has made. Get sentimental & get relegated!! As for Butland, I disagree - Brad Froedel may be available, and that's what we need Experience. Otherwise stick with kelvin - he has his moments, but he's a good keeper & deserves the chance to imprive - just like Fonte, Fox, Guly, & half of the rest! The lads have been brilliant recently - the Newcastle game was one of the best games I've seen in a long time! I wouldn't be surprised if we win at Anfield, but we must stop the free giveaways in goal!!! Block 34
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10:27am Fri 30 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

EdTryon wrote:
We need a new keeper in the long term, in the short term Kelvin is a better option, bring in Butland in January and also http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/sport/footbal

l/teams/manchester-c

ity/9713071/Manchest

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Lescott would indeed be a good addition. I think loaning players out to the same division teams is a bit of a strange rule.
Being able to loan in an entire team, well that is another story entirely
[quote][p][bold]EdTryon[/bold] wrote: We need a new keeper in the long term, in the short term Kelvin is a better option, bring in Butland in January and also http://www.telegraph .co.uk/sport/footbal l/teams/manchester-c ity/9713071/Manchest er-City-to-loan-out- England-defender-Jol eon-Lescott-in-Janua ry-transfer-window.h tml[/p][/quote]Lescott would indeed be a good addition. I think loaning players out to the same division teams is a bit of a strange rule. Being able to loan in an entire team, well that is another story entirely Mush On The Beach
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10:35am Fri 30 Nov 12

Onwards and Upwards says...

If he's good enough for Nigel he's good enough for me. Let's not forget the great saves he made against Newcastle and QPR that could've changed the outcome of the match!

Whoever Nigel picks, let's support them, the continuity we've had over the last 4 games have reaped there rewards so no rash changes unless totally necessary.

Onwards and upwards to Liverpool!
If he's good enough for Nigel he's good enough for me. Let's not forget the great saves he made against Newcastle and QPR that could've changed the outcome of the match! Whoever Nigel picks, let's support them, the continuity we've had over the last 4 games have reaped there rewards so no rash changes unless totally necessary. Onwards and upwards to Liverpool! Onwards and Upwards
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10:36am Fri 30 Nov 12

mark.wareham says...

the lad's too raw. points gifted home to swansea and norwich, just as the back 4 look to be gelling. KD's done nothing wrong and deserves a recall
the lad's too raw. points gifted home to swansea and norwich, just as the back 4 look to be gelling. KD's done nothing wrong and deserves a recall mark.wareham
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10:41am Fri 30 Nov 12

Block 34 says...

Be quick!!

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Be quick!! http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2236526/Br ad-Friedel-set-quit- Tottenham-Blackburn- return.html Block 34
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10:46am Fri 30 Nov 12

magnette says...

What people don't realise is that the best form of goal keeping is keeping the ball at the other end of the pitch. Gazza is highly talented at pinpoint long distribution. Every time he kicks it out past the half way line 9/10 times a Saints player retains possession in an attacking position. Remember KD v Leeds, a seminal display. Had Gazza been playing the ball would not have been in Saints' penalty area to start with. Keep the ball up the other end and they can't score.
What people don't realise is that the best form of goal keeping is keeping the ball at the other end of the pitch. Gazza is highly talented at pinpoint long distribution. Every time he kicks it out past the half way line 9/10 times a Saints player retains possession in an attacking position. Remember KD v Leeds, a seminal display. Had Gazza been playing the ball would not have been in Saints' penalty area to start with. Keep the ball up the other end and they can't score. magnette
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10:54am Fri 30 Nov 12

White and red till dead says...

mark.wareham wrote:
the lad's too raw. points gifted home to swansea and norwich, just as the back 4 look to be gelling. KD's done nothing wrong and deserves a recall
Agree with this. Bart was dropped straight after the clanger against Blackpool last season. Cannot understand why we are persisting with Gazza. Bring back KD for Liverpool match at least.
[quote][p][bold]mark.wareham[/bold] wrote: the lad's too raw. points gifted home to swansea and norwich, just as the back 4 look to be gelling. KD's done nothing wrong and deserves a recall[/p][/quote]Agree with this. Bart was dropped straight after the clanger against Blackpool last season. Cannot understand why we are persisting with Gazza. Bring back KD for Liverpool match at least. White and red till dead
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11:11am Fri 30 Nov 12

St.Yorkie says...

magnette wrote:
What people don't realise is that the best form of goal keeping is keeping the ball at the other end of the pitch. Gazza is highly talented at pinpoint long distribution. Every time he kicks it out past the half way line 9/10 times a Saints player retains possession in an attacking position. Remember KD v Leeds, a seminal display. Had Gazza been playing the ball would not have been in Saints' penalty area to start with. Keep the ball up the other end and they can't score.
I tend to agree with yout there - distribution from Gazza is much better.
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: What people don't realise is that the best form of goal keeping is keeping the ball at the other end of the pitch. Gazza is highly talented at pinpoint long distribution. Every time he kicks it out past the half way line 9/10 times a Saints player retains possession in an attacking position. Remember KD v Leeds, a seminal display. Had Gazza been playing the ball would not have been in Saints' penalty area to start with. Keep the ball up the other end and they can't score.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with yout there - distribution from Gazza is much better. St.Yorkie
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11:31am Fri 30 Nov 12

summercat says...

'Nigel Adkins could stick with Paulo Gazzaniga – despite the young keeper’s latest blunder.' I don;t think the Echo could have given this a much more negative slant, as usual. 'Latest' implies more to come, why couldn't they just have said 'last'. I do agree that Gazza should be given a many more chances, (he's young and fresh, after all), but not at the expense of losing points this weekend. I would like to see Kelvin back on Saturday, even if only for that game. I don't really understand the Kelv naysayers, always thought he did a grand job!
'Nigel Adkins could stick with Paulo Gazzaniga – despite the young keeper’s latest blunder.' I don;t think the Echo could have given this a much more negative slant, as usual. 'Latest' implies more to come, why couldn't they just have said 'last'. I do agree that Gazza should be given a many more chances, (he's young and fresh, after all), but not at the expense of losing points this weekend. I would like to see Kelvin back on Saturday, even if only for that game. I don't really understand the Kelv naysayers, always thought he did a grand job! summercat
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11:39am Fri 30 Nov 12

Sainty saint saint says...

Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
[quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure. Sainty saint saint
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11:45am Fri 30 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

kent141 wrote:
Use your great wisdom Tangohead and tell him he must keep the ball out of his net.
SSSHHHHHH 14:12:12.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: Use your great wisdom Tangohead and tell him he must keep the ball out of his net.[/p][/quote]SSSHHHHHH 14:12:12. hedge end bob
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11:47am Fri 30 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Who ever the keeper is, he is going to be very very busy ...

14.12.12
Who ever the keeper is, he is going to be very very busy ... 14.12.12 scooter75
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11:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

Block 34 says...

On the way to the gane on Sunday another fan told me Gazza's distribution was good - I paid particular attention to it that day. It was OK - yes, better than kelvins but not by much.

He's def one for the future... next season, or maybe the end of this, but for now we need experience. Kelvin on Saturday please.
On the way to the gane on Sunday another fan told me Gazza's distribution was good - I paid particular attention to it that day. It was OK - yes, better than kelvins but not by much. He's def one for the future... next season, or maybe the end of this, but for now we need experience. Kelvin on Saturday please. Block 34
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12:00pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Gills supporter says...

Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that!
Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that! Gills supporter
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12:37pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Saint 2701 says...

We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future.

Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing!
We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future. Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing! Saint 2701
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12:49pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Harby says...

Sorry Seedhouse but were you not making the very same comment about Davis in the past? And in your previous post you said it was your Manchester friend that originally made the the remark. Even Hart has at times not been at his had this season. I would put Nigel's opinion way above that of your Mancunian friend..No one has mentioned the brilliant near post save at point blank range that the boy made. On another point, why is it we never seem to criticise the outfield players in the same way that keepers are put under the spotlight? Both Adam and Gaston missed very reasonable chances on Wednesday.
Sorry Seedhouse but were you not making the very same comment about Davis in the past? And in your previous post you said it was your Manchester friend that originally made the the remark. Even Hart has at times not been at his had this season. I would put Nigel's opinion way above that of your Mancunian friend..No one has mentioned the brilliant near post save at point blank range that the boy made. On another point, why is it we never seem to criticise the outfield players in the same way that keepers are put under the spotlight? Both Adam and Gaston missed very reasonable chances on Wednesday. Harby
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1:02pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Dickosfc says...

Where did the comments go?????
Where did the comments go????? Dickosfc
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1:03pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Harby says...

Apologies for the gobbledegook - for"had" read "best"
Apologies for the gobbledegook - for"had" read "best" Harby
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1:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

randre says...

Gills supporter wrote:
Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that!
Thanks for this.

To be honest most of us do not get on his back. I know many supporters who I sit with who rate him, he has made some good saves.

If he's picked by Nigel then good enough for me.

I agree with you that all players deserve 100% support during a game.

To be fair to Gaz, he has made some great saves as well at times, one specifically against Newcastle on Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]Gills supporter[/bold] wrote: Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that![/p][/quote]Thanks for this. To be honest most of us do not get on his back. I know many supporters who I sit with who rate him, he has made some good saves. If he's picked by Nigel then good enough for me. I agree with you that all players deserve 100% support during a game. To be fair to Gaz, he has made some great saves as well at times, one specifically against Newcastle on Sunday. randre
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1:07pm Fri 30 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

Gills supporter wrote:
Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that!
There is no doubt my friend that the boy has the makings of a very good player. Our club is in a catch 22, with the Premier league set up, there is no reserve team games. The lad needs games to bring him on. Now do we play him week in, week out and hope he improves from where he is today. Or do we let him go out on loan, back at your place? , and put one of our other keepers in.
We have only just returned to this league after a long time absent, and we do not want to be leaving it at the end of the season. The boy has had the crowd up on their feet applauding some of the saves he has made so far. But he has also pulled some right gaffs that you would'nt expect from a local park keeper.
This is what we are faced with, not all fans are against the lad. After all this, if he dont play how will he learned. Tricky to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]Gills supporter[/bold] wrote: Well if you lot dont want Paulo I will welcome him back to Priestfield any time. Yes maybe he has cost you a couple of goals but what about the rest of your players? Are they faultless? No thought not. Give the guy a chance getting on his back all the time isnt the way to support any player or your team. Maybe thats why you are where you are in the PL. Thats all from me I will go back to GFC and you wont hear from me again. Well maybe in the cup if we meet you in round 3. Would love that![/p][/quote]There is no doubt my friend that the boy has the makings of a very good player. Our club is in a catch 22, with the Premier league set up, there is no reserve team games. The lad needs games to bring him on. Now do we play him week in, week out and hope he improves from where he is today. Or do we let him go out on loan, back at your place? , and put one of our other keepers in. We have only just returned to this league after a long time absent, and we do not want to be leaving it at the end of the season. The boy has had the crowd up on their feet applauding some of the saves he has made so far. But he has also pulled some right gaffs that you would'nt expect from a local park keeper. This is what we are faced with, not all fans are against the lad. After all this, if he dont play how will he learned. Tricky to say the least. hedge end bob
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1:15pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lowemustgo says...

Don-Irelando wrote:
"When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either.
The difference in class is just too much."




Well I'm not 100% sure when the last one was put a player that is probably worth a mention is JOE HART!! 2006 went from Shrewsbury Town to Manchester City! Im all for Gazza learning his craft in a difficult situation whilst he is the best we have got. Then if backup arrives in january he can look to go on loan.

wake up and do your research!!
Yes, I was indeed referring to Joe Hart. If I am not mistaken he has been responsible for some 'Top ten' goalkeeping errors since joining MC. http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=t-OVkChWx
o8
This article is Mancini saying in Sep 2010 'that he is far from the finished article' after another mistake http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/blog/
2010/sep/30/joe-hart
-england-manchester-
city
Agree, all goalies make mistakes, but the PL is not the place to 'learn on the job' and its time to give one of our other GKs a run out.
[quote][p][bold]Don-Irelando[/bold] wrote: "When was the last time a PL club took a player from league 2 and put them into the PL? We did it with Brett Ormerod ten years ago and that wasn't much of a success either. The difference in class is just too much." Well I'm not 100% sure when the last one was put a player that is probably worth a mention is JOE HART!! 2006 went from Shrewsbury Town to Manchester City! Im all for Gazza learning his craft in a difficult situation whilst he is the best we have got. Then if backup arrives in january he can look to go on loan. wake up and do your research!![/p][/quote]Yes, I was indeed referring to Joe Hart. If I am not mistaken he has been responsible for some 'Top ten' goalkeeping errors since joining MC. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=t-OVkChWx o8 This article is Mancini saying in Sep 2010 'that he is far from the finished article' after another mistake http://www.guardian. co.uk/football/blog/ 2010/sep/30/joe-hart -england-manchester- city Agree, all goalies make mistakes, but the PL is not the place to 'learn on the job' and its time to give one of our other GKs a run out. lowemustgo
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1:21pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future.

Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing!
Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter.
I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum.

If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time?
KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career.
I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future. Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing![/p][/quote]Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter. I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum. If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time? KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career. I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider. Mush On The Beach
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1:39pm Fri 30 Nov 12

right back in the bar says...

headline does not square with the nationals which is that we willl make a move for the Spurs keeper Gomez. Not sure if he's the answer but this boy is error prone - good reflexes (that superb one handed save in the Newcastle game) but you don't need those for the simple stuff - the goal on Wednesday cost us 2 points as did the poorclearance in the Swansea game. You can't continue with that.
on another note Houghton has gone right down in my estimation bleeting on about handball
headline does not square with the nationals which is that we willl make a move for the Spurs keeper Gomez. Not sure if he's the answer but this boy is error prone - good reflexes (that superb one handed save in the Newcastle game) but you don't need those for the simple stuff - the goal on Wednesday cost us 2 points as did the poorclearance in the Swansea game. You can't continue with that. on another note Houghton has gone right down in my estimation bleeting on about handball right back in the bar
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1:51pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Red&WhiteStripes says...

My money's on Shay Given! AVFC bench warmer - quality international stopper!! He's awesome and still only mid thirties, so good for a couple of seasons whilst Gazza learns his trade! Reckon they'd let him go for less than a couple of mill.....Thoughts?
My money's on Shay Given! AVFC bench warmer - quality international stopper!! He's awesome and still only mid thirties, so good for a couple of seasons whilst Gazza learns his trade! Reckon they'd let him go for less than a couple of mill.....Thoughts? Red&WhiteStripes
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1:59pm Fri 30 Nov 12

miltonarcher says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e. miltonarcher
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2:02pm Fri 30 Nov 12

TEBOURBA says...

LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season.
Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men.
If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake!
Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out?
IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together.
NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made.
NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!!
LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season. Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men. If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake! Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out? IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together. NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made. NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!! TEBOURBA
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2:13pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Costa Baz says...

First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal.

On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal.

On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded.

You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season.

Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves.

IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save.

It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding.

I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent.

At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match.

Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing.

And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong.
The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it.
The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.
First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal. On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal. On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded. You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season. Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves. IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save. It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding. I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent. At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match. Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing. And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong. The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it. The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do. Costa Baz
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2:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Block 34 says...

Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them.
As a result we are in the relegation zone.

Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes
Paulo... no. not yet

In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.
Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one. Block 34
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2:31pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Sainty saint saint says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities. Sainty saint saint
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2:32pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Jameski says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future.

Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing!
He was in much better shape than he is now. Once Nigel sorts out his fitness he will be good again but it takes a while to get there and also to be focused again. Gazzaniga is much better than kelvin who has had his chance to shine in the premier league twice and got very badly exposed for his flaws. Kelvin was good in league one and decent in the championship but he's not fast enough for premier league. I can't see anyone betting on kelvin of he's one on one with Suarez. Gazzaniga makes mistakes but a lot less than kelvin does and he is still learning from each game. He will develop to be a world class keeper as long as we stick with him and accept the odd mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future. Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing![/p][/quote]He was in much better shape than he is now. Once Nigel sorts out his fitness he will be good again but it takes a while to get there and also to be focused again. Gazzaniga is much better than kelvin who has had his chance to shine in the premier league twice and got very badly exposed for his flaws. Kelvin was good in league one and decent in the championship but he's not fast enough for premier league. I can't see anyone betting on kelvin of he's one on one with Suarez. Gazzaniga makes mistakes but a lot less than kelvin does and he is still learning from each game. He will develop to be a world class keeper as long as we stick with him and accept the odd mistake. Jameski
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2:34pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Dickosfc says...

Red&WhiteStripes wrote:
My money's on Shay Given! AVFC bench warmer - quality international stopper!! He's awesome and still only mid thirties, so good for a couple of seasons whilst Gazza learns his trade! Reckon they'd let him go for less than a couple of mill.....Thoughts?
Can't see any team selling to their nearest league rivals
[quote][p][bold]Red&WhiteStripes[/bold] wrote: My money's on Shay Given! AVFC bench warmer - quality international stopper!! He's awesome and still only mid thirties, so good for a couple of seasons whilst Gazza learns his trade! Reckon they'd let him go for less than a couple of mill.....Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Can't see any team selling to their nearest league rivals Dickosfc
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2:43pm Fri 30 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future.

Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing!
Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter.
I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum.

If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time?
KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career.
I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider.
We signed a young American lad called Cody ??? last window and I did hear Kelvin was wanted at Ipswich.
Dont go getting sunburn on the beach there Mush.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future. Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing![/p][/quote]Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter. I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum. If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time? KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career. I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider.[/p][/quote]We signed a young American lad called Cody ??? last window and I did hear Kelvin was wanted at Ipswich. Dont go getting sunburn on the beach there Mush. mack chinnon
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2:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Jameski says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season.
Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men.
If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake!
Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out?
IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together.
NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made.
NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!!
If you honestly think the players that we loaned out are better than gaston Ramirez then go and "support" another team. Billy sharp is a poacher and not good with the one touch passing and flicks that give us such good attacking play. Mayuka and Rodriguez were brought in because they management were 50/50 over whether or not rickie could still perform in the top flight, while he still plays well they won't drop him but given a few starts, mayuka and Rodriguez will really show what they can do.
We loaned out players who would not be good enough in the premier league and if our current players were worse then we would have recalled some of he loanees. Luckily the management have a lot more brain power than you otherwise we would be like derby county
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season. Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men. If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake! Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out? IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together. NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made. NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!![/p][/quote]If you honestly think the players that we loaned out are better than gaston Ramirez then go and "support" another team. Billy sharp is a poacher and not good with the one touch passing and flicks that give us such good attacking play. Mayuka and Rodriguez were brought in because they management were 50/50 over whether or not rickie could still perform in the top flight, while he still plays well they won't drop him but given a few starts, mayuka and Rodriguez will really show what they can do. We loaned out players who would not be good enough in the premier league and if our current players were worse then we would have recalled some of he loanees. Luckily the management have a lot more brain power than you otherwise we would be like derby county Jameski
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2:48pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Costa Baz wrote:
First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal.

On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal.

On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded.

You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season.

Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves.

IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save.

It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding.

I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent.

At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match.

Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing.

And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong.
The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it.
The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.
Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution?
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal. On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal. On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded. You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season. Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves. IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save. It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding. I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent. At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match. Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing. And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong. The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it. The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution? Mush On The Beach
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2:50pm Fri 30 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

Gazza is a good keeper and will get much better. I want to see him start against Liverpool.
Keep the faith fellow Saints.
Gazza is a good keeper and will get much better. I want to see him start against Liverpool. Keep the faith fellow Saints. mack chinnon
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2:54pm Fri 30 Nov 12

miltonarcher says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.[/p][/quote]How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question. miltonarcher
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2:59pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Velleity says...

Jameski wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season.
Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men.
If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake!
Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out?
IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together.
NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made.
NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!!
If you honestly think the players that we loaned out are better than gaston Ramirez then go and "support" another team. Billy sharp is a poacher and not good with the one touch passing and flicks that give us such good attacking play. Mayuka and Rodriguez were brought in because they management were 50/50 over whether or not rickie could still perform in the top flight, while he still plays well they won't drop him but given a few starts, mayuka and Rodriguez will really show what they can do.
We loaned out players who would not be good enough in the premier league and if our current players were worse then we would have recalled some of he loanees. Luckily the management have a lot more brain power than you otherwise we would be like derby county
Jameski, I know you haven't been on the site for a long time, so please take this in the spirit it's meant.

There's no point at all wasting even a second responding to Tebourba. He simply repeats the same things over and over again, never listening to any counter arguments. His obsession with Nicola is close to delusional and I've advised him to take professional medical advice on it (seriously).

He will twist any fact to suit his hatred of the management team - he even posted before one of the recent games (Newcastle, I think) that he hoped we would lose as it would teach NC a lesson.

Anyone prepared to do that is not worthy of your time and effort in making what was a good and well thought out post. He's best just ignored.
[quote][p][bold]Jameski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: LMcM ---- a good keeper is worth 10 points a season. Bill Shankly -- having a poor keeper is like playing the full 90 minutes with 10 men. If I, a mere supporter, read and understand these quotes from famous managers, why hasn't NC and NA--- NA is a keeper for God's sake! Why did they squander £19m on two outfield players no better than some we've loaned out? IMO you wouldn't get one good keeper if you cloned all three of our's together. NC and NA's mistake in not recognising keeper weakeness last season is a far bigger error than ever Gazza has made. NA has a choice at Anfield from a novice and two over the hill keepers --- Suarez must be licking his lips!![/p][/quote]If you honestly think the players that we loaned out are better than gaston Ramirez then go and "support" another team. Billy sharp is a poacher and not good with the one touch passing and flicks that give us such good attacking play. Mayuka and Rodriguez were brought in because they management were 50/50 over whether or not rickie could still perform in the top flight, while he still plays well they won't drop him but given a few starts, mayuka and Rodriguez will really show what they can do. We loaned out players who would not be good enough in the premier league and if our current players were worse then we would have recalled some of he loanees. Luckily the management have a lot more brain power than you otherwise we would be like derby county[/p][/quote]Jameski, I know you haven't been on the site for a long time, so please take this in the spirit it's meant. There's no point at all wasting even a second responding to Tebourba. He simply repeats the same things over and over again, never listening to any counter arguments. His obsession with Nicola is close to delusional and I've advised him to take professional medical advice on it (seriously). He will twist any fact to suit his hatred of the management team - he even posted before one of the recent games (Newcastle, I think) that he hoped we would lose as it would teach NC a lesson. Anyone prepared to do that is not worthy of your time and effort in making what was a good and well thought out post. He's best just ignored. Velleity
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3:01pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Velleity says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.
Erm, he answered that directly in his post...
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.[/p][/quote]How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.[/p][/quote]Erm, he answered that directly in his post... Velleity
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3:04pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Sainty saint saint says...

Velleity wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.
Erm, he answered that directly in his post...
Thanks. I thought I did too...
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.[/p][/quote]How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.[/p][/quote]Erm, he answered that directly in his post...[/p][/quote]Thanks. I thought I did too... Sainty saint saint
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3:07pm Fri 30 Nov 12

dly397 says...

Block 34 wrote:
Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.
I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't.

Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully?

Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's.

If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped.
[quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't. Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully? Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's. If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped. dly397
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3:07pm Fri 30 Nov 12

CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger says...

All these folks saying Gassa is gonna be a great keeper how do they know this? What have they seen that I ain't
I don't give a stuff for his age he's not good enough for the prem period. Get Kelv back until the window. I'd rather have 1 **** up in 3 games than 6 out of 7.
All these folks saying Gassa is gonna be a great keeper how do they know this? What have they seen that I ain't I don't give a stuff for his age he's not good enough for the prem period. Get Kelv back until the window. I'd rather have 1 **** up in 3 games than 6 out of 7. CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger
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3:10pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future.

Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing!
Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter.
I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum.

If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time?
KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career.
I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider.
We signed a young American lad called Cody ??? last window and I did hear Kelvin was wanted at Ipswich.
Dont go getting sunburn on the beach there Mush.
Was at the WACA today to watch the opening days play of Aussies vs South Africa. The weather as it goes was pants, no sun tan today. Rickie Ponting will be coming out tomorrow to play his last/2nd last knock as he has just announced this is his last game.

To ALL proper sports fans, I thought that was worth a mention.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: We have just signed 3 GK's, we will not be signing another in the near future. Give Boruc an extended run in the team, he wasn't nominated for world keeper of the year for nothing![/p][/quote]Have we recently signed 3, I can only think of Boruc and Gazza, no matter. I am confused at the moment. I don’t see Gazza as a readymade first choice prem goalie, he still has a lot to learn and therein lies the conundrum. If Boruc has more experience, why is he not getting the game time? KD appears to be 3rd choice and so I think will be out the door in Jan to a place where he gets first team footy which he deserves at the twilight of his career. I think in Jan we will be signing a new first choice GK, Shay Given for me would be one to consider.[/p][/quote]We signed a young American lad called Cody ??? last window and I did hear Kelvin was wanted at Ipswich. Dont go getting sunburn on the beach there Mush.[/p][/quote]Was at the WACA today to watch the opening days play of Aussies vs South Africa. The weather as it goes was pants, no sun tan today. Rickie Ponting will be coming out tomorrow to play his last/2nd last knock as he has just announced this is his last game. To ALL proper sports fans, I thought that was worth a mention. Mush On The Beach
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3:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
All these folks saying Gassa is gonna be a great keeper how do they know this? What have they seen that I ain't
I don't give a stuff for his age he's not good enough for the prem period. Get Kelv back until the window. I'd rather have 1 **** up in 3 games than 6 out of 7.
Thats not gonna happen.
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: All these folks saying Gassa is gonna be a great keeper how do they know this? What have they seen that I ain't I don't give a stuff for his age he's not good enough for the prem period. Get Kelv back until the window. I'd rather have 1 **** up in 3 games than 6 out of 7.[/p][/quote]Thats not gonna happen. mack chinnon
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3:33pm Fri 30 Nov 12

NewForestStu says...

Here's a laugh......i was reading the Metro this morning and it said Saints were after the Spurs keeper.........(yep Friedal on a years deal will do me). Unfortunately they were talking Gomez...is this serious...he is no better than what we got!! For me Gazza everytime, Davis reminds me of Jonah
Here's a laugh......i was reading the Metro this morning and it said Saints were after the Spurs keeper.........(yep Friedal on a years deal will do me). Unfortunately they were talking Gomez...is this serious...he is no better than what we got!! For me Gazza everytime, Davis reminds me of Jonah NewForestStu
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3:39pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Costa Baz says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal.

On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal.

On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded.

You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season.

Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves.

IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save.

It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding.

I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent.

At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match.

Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing.

And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong.
The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it.
The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.
Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution?
I wasn't making a proposed solution, just putting down a few thoughts in the hope that someone out there will tell me why they think Gazza is or will be a great goal keeper, based on his performances to date.
Yes he's made saves, but then I'd have expected KD or Boruc to have made them, as well as any other keeper deemed good enough to play in the Premier League.

Maybe I just have too high an expectation of a player that is referred to as great or potentially great, because all I have seen from Gazza is a competency allied to the ability to make unforced errors, when not under any direct pressure.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal. On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal. On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded. You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season. Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves. IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save. It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding. I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent. At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match. Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing. And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong. The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it. The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution?[/p][/quote]I wasn't making a proposed solution, just putting down a few thoughts in the hope that someone out there will tell me why they think Gazza is or will be a great goal keeper, based on his performances to date. Yes he's made saves, but then I'd have expected KD or Boruc to have made them, as well as any other keeper deemed good enough to play in the Premier League. Maybe I just have too high an expectation of a player that is referred to as great or potentially great, because all I have seen from Gazza is a competency allied to the ability to make unforced errors, when not under any direct pressure. Costa Baz
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3:42pm Fri 30 Nov 12

miltonarcher says...

Velleity wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.
Erm, he answered that directly in his post...
No he didn't. You dont get voted top keeper by fellow pros just by being a good shot stopper.

Let me help. He was voted top keeper because of his all round game. Thats why Sss was talkingout of his you know what.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.[/p][/quote]How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.[/p][/quote]Erm, he answered that directly in his post...[/p][/quote]No he didn't. You dont get voted top keeper by fellow pros just by being a good shot stopper. Let me help. He was voted top keeper because of his all round game. Thats why Sss was talkingout of his you know what. miltonarcher
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4:12pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal.

On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal.

On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded.

You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season.

Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves.

IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save.

It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding.

I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent.

At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match.

Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing.

And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong.
The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it.
The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.
Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution?
I wasn't making a proposed solution, just putting down a few thoughts in the hope that someone out there will tell me why they think Gazza is or will be a great goal keeper, based on his performances to date.
Yes he's made saves, but then I'd have expected KD or Boruc to have made them, as well as any other keeper deemed good enough to play in the Premier League.

Maybe I just have too high an expectation of a player that is referred to as great or potentially great, because all I have seen from Gazza is a competency allied to the ability to make unforced errors, when not under any direct pressure.
Ok thanks for clearing that up.
Obviously whoever puts on the shirt gets our full support.
The thing is the fans aren’t stupid and we know it is NOT currently working 100%.

I’ve made my suggestion previously in Shay Given, how about the rest of you?
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: First and foremost, the most important role of any goal keeper is to keep the ball out of his goal. On one hand, it may be argued that Saints defence has tightened up and conceded fewer goals, with Gazza in goal. On the other hand, you could counter this by saying an unchanged team, in front of him, has reduced goal scoring opportunities, leading to fewer goals conceded. You also need to factor in the quality of the opposition, during this unbeaten run, with the quality of the teams we met earlier in the season. Maybe I have too many memories of truly great goal keepers (Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Seaman, Niemi), but it wrankles when I see posters saying that Gazza has made some "great" saves. IMO, the best save he has had to make was the one down low, against Newcastle, yet I can't help believe that every other Premier League goal keeper would have made the save. It was not a "worldy", more a routine save, for this level. And had he not made it, it would quite possibly have been added to the other goals he has been blamed for conceding. I accept that young players will make mistakes, whilst learning their trade, and I acknowledge that even goal keepers as good as Joe Hart, still do make bad errors, but their errors seem to be far less frequent. At the moment it is not only that Gazza makes mistakes, that is the concern, but the regularity of the mistakes and the impact the mistakes are having on the result of the match. Those saying he should be chosen for his distribution... why? Most of the time NA wants the ball played short to the full backs, centre backs or midfielders, something that KD is fully capable of doing. And while I'm in the mood, those blaming the wall, for the Norwich goal, are completely wrong. The wall was set up to protect the near post and to force any shot to be made into an area where the goal keeper could reach it. The ball was well within Gazza's reach, slipping beneath his chest, so I'd say the wall did what it was meant to do.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, but I miss what you are trying to say is your proposed solution?[/p][/quote]I wasn't making a proposed solution, just putting down a few thoughts in the hope that someone out there will tell me why they think Gazza is or will be a great goal keeper, based on his performances to date. Yes he's made saves, but then I'd have expected KD or Boruc to have made them, as well as any other keeper deemed good enough to play in the Premier League. Maybe I just have too high an expectation of a player that is referred to as great or potentially great, because all I have seen from Gazza is a competency allied to the ability to make unforced errors, when not under any direct pressure.[/p][/quote]Ok thanks for clearing that up. Obviously whoever puts on the shirt gets our full support. The thing is the fans aren’t stupid and we know it is NOT currently working 100%. I’ve made my suggestion previously in Shay Given, how about the rest of you? Mush On The Beach
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4:13pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Costa Baz says...

dly397 wrote:
Block 34 wrote:
Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.
I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't.

Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully?

Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's.

If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped.
As only the top 7 teams plus Fulham have scored more league goals than us, I think blaming the "lack of goals scored" is a non starter.

I am sure there will be times, throughout the season where fans will be saying, "Lallana/Lambert/Gas
ton et al" missed a sitter, that could have won us a game, and the comments will be made.
Whether or not fans will call for them to be dropped will very much depend on the players overall value to the team.
Is he contributing more to the overall performance than he is taking away from it by his odd lapse?
Did he miss because he was nudged, off balance, it was a good save, it was only a half chance, etc?
Has it happened in 3 of the last 4 matches?

The bottom line is that in the last 4 matches, we have defended so much better, than earlier in the season, that chances created by opponents are fewer.
We have finally started to look like a team that can defend, at this level, albeit against the "lesser" teams.
But just when we are getting a confidence about ourselves, we have a gaffe prone goalkeeper, who will not only undermine the confidence of his own team, but will GIVE confidence to the opponents who will believe that if they get enough shots on target, he will let one slide through him.

If Gazza is picked for tomorrow, I would love him to prove me wrong, but he will need balls of steel when he is stood in front of the 12000+ Liverpool supporters in the Kop, shouting for Stevie G to "shooooooooooooooooo
t".
[quote][p][bold]dly397[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't. Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully? Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's. If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped.[/p][/quote]As only the top 7 teams plus Fulham have scored more league goals than us, I think blaming the "lack of goals scored" is a non starter. I am sure there will be times, throughout the season where fans will be saying, "Lallana/Lambert/Gas ton et al" missed a sitter, that could have won us a game, and the comments will be made. Whether or not fans will call for them to be dropped will very much depend on the players overall value to the team. Is he contributing more to the overall performance than he is taking away from it by his odd lapse? Did he miss because he was nudged, off balance, it was a good save, it was only a half chance, etc? Has it happened in 3 of the last 4 matches? The bottom line is that in the last 4 matches, we have defended so much better, than earlier in the season, that chances created by opponents are fewer. We have finally started to look like a team that can defend, at this level, albeit against the "lesser" teams. But just when we are getting a confidence about ourselves, we have a gaffe prone goalkeeper, who will not only undermine the confidence of his own team, but will GIVE confidence to the opponents who will believe that if they get enough shots on target, he will let one slide through him. If Gazza is picked for tomorrow, I would love him to prove me wrong, but he will need balls of steel when he is stood in front of the 12000+ Liverpool supporters in the Kop, shouting for Stevie G to "shooooooooooooooooo t". Costa Baz
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4:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Block 34 says...

dly397 wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.
I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't. Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully? Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's. If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped.
my point is that but for Gazza we'd be well out of the relly zone by now.

Sure, others make mistakes, but when a GK c&cks up the consequences are usually more serious... and we don't have to take that risk!! We have alternatives. Let's use them.
[quote][p][bold]dly397[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Yes he's made some good saves . The point is that he's made several howlers, and we can't afford them. As a result we are in the relegation zone. Brad/ Yes, Shay? Yes Paulo... no. not yet In the meantime Kelvin or Boruc, but effing address the problem, because it is one.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we were in the bottom 3 before Gazza was picked, and I think I'm right in saying that, since he was picked, we've picked up more points than when he wasn't. Let's get this into a bit of perspective. Yes, he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us points - although I can't remember any that have actually cost us all 3 (I'm sure someone will remind me). In contrast, how many saves has he been required to make and completed them successfully? Surely, one of the main reasons why we haven't won as many as we maybe could have, is that the outfield players haven't scored enough goals, but no-one appears to be getting on their backs as much as they are Gazza's. If everyone scored from the shots they take, Gazza wouldn't even be being mentioned. But they don't, and I don't see too many people calling for them to be dropped.[/p][/quote]my point is that but for Gazza we'd be well out of the relly zone by now. Sure, others make mistakes, but when a GK c&cks up the consequences are usually more serious... and we don't have to take that risk!! We have alternatives. Let's use them. Block 34
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4:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Sainty saint saint says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Velleity wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Roperdon wrote:
Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January.
The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.
You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza!

Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses.

Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.
If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.
I don't think I said anything particularly controversial.

KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that.

He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him.

So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.
How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.
Erm, he answered that directly in his post...
No he didn't. You dont get voted top keeper by fellow pros just by being a good shot stopper.

Let me help. He was voted top keeper because of his all round game. Thats why Sss was talkingout of his you know what.
Are you saying you don't think KD is weak at coming for crosses? You don't think he's a little suspect at his near post?

I genuinely thought that most people thought that.

And, perhaps a little more controversially, I thought a lot of people agreed that his distribution wasn't great either.

I wonder why he's been dropped...
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roperdon[/bold] wrote: Gazzaniga does not command his penalty area. His positioning is poor. He does not deal efficiently with crosses. In a 50/50 challenge he is physically weak. We are in the bottom three with the worst defensive record in the league. Let this inept keeper learn his trade in the lower leagues. Kelvin will serve us better, at least until until January. The purchase of Gazzaniga does not reflect well on the management.[/p][/quote]You could replace the first word of this post with "Davis" and the first three sentences would be true - more true than for Gazza! Davis is worse at commanding his box, his positioning is often terrible (the number of near-post goals he's let in gives you a clue), and hardly ever comes for crosses. Gazza's distribution is so much better than Kelvin's, I think, so I'd stick with him for sure.[/p][/quote]If KD is as bad as you say Sss, how come he was voted best keeper by fellow pros for the past two seasons? You are talking out of your ar$e.[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything particularly controversial. KD has let in a few at his near post (perhaps "often terrible" was an overstatement), he doesn't really command his box, and very rarely comes for crosses (part of commanding your box)... I don't think many would disagree with that. He is, however, a very good shot stopper (hence being voted best keeper), but so is Gazza from what I've seen of him. So I don't think I was talking out of my backside, just expressing an opinion (hence the "I think"). Sorry to have upset your delicate sensibilities.[/p][/quote]How come he was voted best keeper by his fellow pros? Thats better than any other keeper in the division at the time. Answer the question.[/p][/quote]Erm, he answered that directly in his post...[/p][/quote]No he didn't. You dont get voted top keeper by fellow pros just by being a good shot stopper. Let me help. He was voted top keeper because of his all round game. Thats why Sss was talkingout of his you know what.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you don't think KD is weak at coming for crosses? You don't think he's a little suspect at his near post? I genuinely thought that most people thought that. And, perhaps a little more controversially, I thought a lot of people agreed that his distribution wasn't great either. I wonder why he's been dropped... Sainty saint saint
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4:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Costa Baz says...

Shay Given would be good, as would Friedel, but both may be considered too old by NA/NC.

If the ethic is to go for young players, then it needs to be someone like Kaspar Schmeichel, for me.
Still young, at 25, but with plenty of experience and closer to the age when keepers peak.
Shay Given would be good, as would Friedel, but both may be considered too old by NA/NC. If the ethic is to go for young players, then it needs to be someone like Kaspar Schmeichel, for me. Still young, at 25, but with plenty of experience and closer to the age when keepers peak. Costa Baz
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5:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Buddy SFC says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Shay Given would be good, as would Friedel, but both may be considered too old by NA/NC. If the ethic is to go for young players, then it needs to be someone like Kaspar Schmeichel, for me. Still young, at 25, but with plenty of experience and closer to the age when keepers peak.
By Far the best keeper I saw last year ......... Before your post , I was going to say stick with Gassa , yes I was p-ssed of Wednesday but against Newcastle with confidence he commanded the box much much better ......... 2nd half against Nowrich he lossed his confidence and was the classic '' scared rabbit in the headlights!''.......
..... Manager and players learning alike in the beat league in the world .......... I'm loving it !
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Shay Given would be good, as would Friedel, but both may be considered too old by NA/NC. If the ethic is to go for young players, then it needs to be someone like Kaspar Schmeichel, for me. Still young, at 25, but with plenty of experience and closer to the age when keepers peak.[/p][/quote]By Far the best keeper I saw last year ......... Before your post , I was going to say stick with Gassa , yes I was p-ssed of Wednesday but against Newcastle with confidence he commanded the box much much better ......... 2nd half against Nowrich he lossed his confidence and was the classic '' scared rabbit in the headlights!''....... ..... Manager and players learning alike in the beat league in the world .......... I'm loving it ! Buddy SFC
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5:48pm Fri 30 Nov 12

slugger says...

how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager .
how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager . slugger
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5:55pm Fri 30 Nov 12

forever a saint says...

Stick with Gazza,yes he was not positioned correctly for the free kick & he has admitted he was at fault BUT he releases players so quick with his accurate distribution that it does catch teams off guard,Give the youngster a chance & lets see how he does against Liverpool IF he fails to prove himself then change him,,PERSONALLY i think he will do well tomorrow im sure they have been working on free kick positioning in training since wednesday to alleviate mistakes.

COYR

shhhhhhhhh 14.12.12
Stick with Gazza,yes he was not positioned correctly for the free kick & he has admitted he was at fault BUT he releases players so quick with his accurate distribution that it does catch teams off guard,Give the youngster a chance & lets see how he does against Liverpool IF he fails to prove himself then change him,,PERSONALLY i think he will do well tomorrow im sure they have been working on free kick positioning in training since wednesday to alleviate mistakes. COYR shhhhhhhhh 14.12.12 forever a saint
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6:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

abbiscuits says...

so, who do we want in goal against liverpool: gazza, kelv, or boruc??????
so, who do we want in goal against liverpool: gazza, kelv, or boruc?????? abbiscuits
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6:34pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Harby wrote:
Sorry Seedhouse but were you not making the very same comment about Davis in the past? And in your previous post you said it was your Manchester friend that originally made the the remark. Even Hart has at times not been at his had this season. I would put Nigel's opinion way above that of your Mancunian friend..No one has mentioned the brilliant near post save at point blank range that the boy made. On another point, why is it we never seem to criticise the outfield players in the same way that keepers are put under the spotlight? Both Adam and Gaston missed very reasonable chances on Wednesday.
Sorry Harby but no I wasn't. I have always been very supportive of Super Kelv both for his quality and his loyalty. He wasn't voted keeper of the year by his fellow pros for the last two seasons for nothing. I accept that the two he let in on his near post may well have been stopped by a top Prem keeper but they weren't what you might term blunders.

I'm not anti Gazza. I do think he was bought to replace Bart though and not to be our immediate first choice. That is why Borac was brought in after Gazza had been blooded but he was total carp. And yes Gazzas save against Newcastle was breathtaking.

I would play KD now with Gazza on the bench and then in January bring in a first choice keeper, put KD on the bench and loan Gazza out to a Championship side to gain valuable experience.
[quote][p][bold]Harby[/bold] wrote: Sorry Seedhouse but were you not making the very same comment about Davis in the past? And in your previous post you said it was your Manchester friend that originally made the the remark. Even Hart has at times not been at his had this season. I would put Nigel's opinion way above that of your Mancunian friend..No one has mentioned the brilliant near post save at point blank range that the boy made. On another point, why is it we never seem to criticise the outfield players in the same way that keepers are put under the spotlight? Both Adam and Gaston missed very reasonable chances on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]Sorry Harby but no I wasn't. I have always been very supportive of Super Kelv both for his quality and his loyalty. He wasn't voted keeper of the year by his fellow pros for the last two seasons for nothing. I accept that the two he let in on his near post may well have been stopped by a top Prem keeper but they weren't what you might term blunders. I'm not anti Gazza. I do think he was bought to replace Bart though and not to be our immediate first choice. That is why Borac was brought in after Gazza had been blooded but he was total carp. And yes Gazzas save against Newcastle was breathtaking. I would play KD now with Gazza on the bench and then in January bring in a first choice keeper, put KD on the bench and loan Gazza out to a Championship side to gain valuable experience. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:00pm Fri 30 Nov 12

bluewhiteandred says...

Your 12 million signing Sammy Saint would do a better job in goal ! than Paulo Gazzaniga .
Your 12 million signing Sammy Saint would do a better job in goal ! than Paulo Gazzaniga . bluewhiteandred
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7:24pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Costa Baz says...

slugger wrote:
how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager .
Funny thing, training.
I spent many years organising training for apprentice plumbers, bricklayers, chippies, sparkies and other trades, helping them to find work.

Strange thing was that very often, those you expected to seamlessly transfer their skills to the workplace, the ones who were really good in training, often struggled, whereas those that you thought would struggle, blossomed.

(I'm sure you've witnessed that in your profession.The lad that does a second (?) fix but doesn't leave enough pipe to fit a radiator to it, once a skirting board has been added. Or the one who attaches the hot water supply to the toilet cistern)

Some people do their best work in controlled circumstances but when put into the pressure situation, aren't so well equipped to deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager .[/p][/quote]Funny thing, training. I spent many years organising training for apprentice plumbers, bricklayers, chippies, sparkies and other trades, helping them to find work. Strange thing was that very often, those you expected to seamlessly transfer their skills to the workplace, the ones who were really good in training, often struggled, whereas those that you thought would struggle, blossomed. (I'm sure you've witnessed that in your profession.The lad that does a second (?) fix but doesn't leave enough pipe to fit a radiator to it, once a skirting board has been added. Or the one who attaches the hot water supply to the toilet cistern) Some people do their best work in controlled circumstances but when put into the pressure situation, aren't so well equipped to deal with it. Costa Baz
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7:32pm Fri 30 Nov 12

slugger says...

Costa Baz wrote:
slugger wrote:
how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager .
Funny thing, training.
I spent many years organising training for apprentice plumbers, bricklayers, chippies, sparkies and other trades, helping them to find work.

Strange thing was that very often, those you expected to seamlessly transfer their skills to the workplace, the ones who were really good in training, often struggled, whereas those that you thought would struggle, blossomed.

(I'm sure you've witnessed that in your profession.The lad that does a second (?) fix but doesn't leave enough pipe to fit a radiator to it, once a skirting board has been added. Or the one who attaches the hot water supply to the toilet cistern)

Some people do their best work in controlled circumstances but when put into the pressure situation, aren't so well equipped to deal with it.
fair comment , but nigel obviously sees something and i don't feel in a position to argue ........ it's his job .
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: how many of us see any of our keepers day in and day out during training ? ...... i'll leave the decision to our manager .[/p][/quote]Funny thing, training. I spent many years organising training for apprentice plumbers, bricklayers, chippies, sparkies and other trades, helping them to find work. Strange thing was that very often, those you expected to seamlessly transfer their skills to the workplace, the ones who were really good in training, often struggled, whereas those that you thought would struggle, blossomed. (I'm sure you've witnessed that in your profession.The lad that does a second (?) fix but doesn't leave enough pipe to fit a radiator to it, once a skirting board has been added. Or the one who attaches the hot water supply to the toilet cistern) Some people do their best work in controlled circumstances but when put into the pressure situation, aren't so well equipped to deal with it.[/p][/quote]fair comment , but nigel obviously sees something and i don't feel in a position to argue ........ it's his job . slugger
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7:56pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Bingo from Sholing says...

Not sure Paulo Gazzaniga has showed enough skill and judgement in the games I have watched. Kelvin Davis would be my choice. Potential and youth do not win matches in themselves. Davis is an experienced, loyal an hardworking player.I would bring him back immediately, but I am no goalkeeping expert!
Not sure Paulo Gazzaniga has showed enough skill and judgement in the games I have watched. Kelvin Davis would be my choice. Potential and youth do not win matches in themselves. Davis is an experienced, loyal an hardworking player.I would bring him back immediately, but I am no goalkeeping expert! Bingo from Sholing
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8:04pm Fri 30 Nov 12

ShakeyWiffles says...

Howler? Blunder? FFS Echo. No wonder Cortese's banned your petty minded "journalism"
Howler? Blunder? FFS Echo. No wonder Cortese's banned your petty minded "journalism" ShakeyWiffles
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