Fonte injury puts pressure on Saints squad

Fonte in action against Chelsea

Fonte in action against Chelsea

First published in Saints News

Saints will step up their efforts to land a central defender after Jose Fonte was stretchered off during the FA Cup hammering by Chelsea.

There have been conflicting reports in Italy over the weekend over the future of Davide Astori after his agent was quoted as confirming Saints were one of the clubs interested in signing the Cagliari centre half.

One report claimed that a deal for the twice-capped Italian international was imminent, while another insisted the move was off with Astori unable to agree personal terms.

Whether Saints do move further for Astori or not, it is clear that a position that was already a priority to be strengthened is now urgently in need of reinforcements after Fonte was carried off with a knee injury during the 5-1 drubbing.

Boss Nigel Adkins refused to be drawn on the extent of Fonte’s injury and what that might mean for Saints’ transfer activity.

But he admitted: “It’s not good when somebody gets stretchered off.

“I can’t say the extent of the damage.

Full story in today's Daily Echo

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7:05am Mon 7 Jan 13

mack chinnon says...

Come on County.
Come on County. mack chinnon
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7:13am Mon 7 Jan 13

circa 66 saint says...

Come on judge
Come on judge circa 66 saint
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7:28am Mon 7 Jan 13

Sally Hamilton Original says...

I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts? Sally Hamilton Original
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8:04am Mon 7 Jan 13

Hobson82 says...

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
[quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players. Hobson82
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8:08am Mon 7 Jan 13

elvisimo says...

lets just hope that this search has been onoing for some time!!
lets just hope that this search has been onoing for some time!! elvisimo
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8:23am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October?
In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March?
We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..
We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October? In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March? We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody.. SaintMax
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8:53am Mon 7 Jan 13

Alicesdad says...

SaintMax wrote:
We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October?
In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March?
We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October? In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March? We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..[/p][/quote]Agreed. Alicesdad
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9:03am Mon 7 Jan 13

Builder-Saint says...

The damage was done regarding transfers in the summer. NA bought players we didnt really need and paid too much for them. I think NC is reluctant to put his hand in his pocket again which I dont blame him. A solid back 4 and an experienced goalkeeper it key in the premier league and it should have been sorted before the season started. You wouldnt find 3 or 4 players who would come to us anyway, a club that could easily get relegated. I rate NA as a team manager but question his tactics when things are not working out on the pitch and I also question his connections within the game to attract new faces. It seems to me it all coming from NC's connection.
The damage was done regarding transfers in the summer. NA bought players we didnt really need and paid too much for them. I think NC is reluctant to put his hand in his pocket again which I dont blame him. A solid back 4 and an experienced goalkeeper it key in the premier league and it should have been sorted before the season started. You wouldnt find 3 or 4 players who would come to us anyway, a club that could easily get relegated. I rate NA as a team manager but question his tactics when things are not working out on the pitch and I also question his connections within the game to attract new faces. It seems to me it all coming from NC's connection. Builder-Saint
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9:05am Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

EIGHT
EIGHT Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:06am Mon 7 Jan 13

saintand266 says...

Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that saintand266
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9:06am Mon 7 Jan 13

saintand266 says...

Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that saintand266
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9:10am Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Our entire plans and setup are Premier League. Should we drop we will be back. We have to plan for a future at this level.
[quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Our entire plans and setup are Premier League. Should we drop we will be back. We have to plan for a future at this level. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:10am Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
EIGHT
Will you be sending them a box of chocolate mints tomorrow?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: EIGHT[/p][/quote]Will you be sending them a box of chocolate mints tomorrow? OSPREYSAINT
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9:13am Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling. OSPREYSAINT
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9:23am Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off " Well i never ... ;0) kent141
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9:24am Mon 7 Jan 13

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
I reckon we will sign a defender in the window, but it won't be him...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]I reckon we will sign a defender in the window, but it won't be him... MGRA
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9:26am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan.. SaintMax
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9:30am Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0 kent141
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9:31am Mon 7 Jan 13

saintand266 says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
Reminds me a bit of the Gaston deal
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]Reminds me a bit of the Gaston deal saintand266
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9:35am Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
EIGHT
Morning Billy.. Eight

The number of Villa tickets sold so far...
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: EIGHT[/p][/quote]Morning Billy.. Eight The number of Villa tickets sold so far... kent141
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9:37am Mon 7 Jan 13

saintand266 says...

kent141 wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
I think you're find Gaston was wanted by Liverpool and spurs as well as us so that shows we can compete with the big boys , NC will do what's best for the club
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0[/p][/quote]I think you're find Gaston was wanted by Liverpool and spurs as well as us so that shows we can compete with the big boys , NC will do what's best for the club saintand266
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9:37am Mon 7 Jan 13

saintand266 says...

kent141 wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
I think you're find Gaston was wanted by Liverpool and spurs as well as us so that shows we can compete with the big boys , NC will do what's best for the club
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0[/p][/quote]I think you're find Gaston was wanted by Liverpool and spurs as well as us so that shows we can compete with the big boys , NC will do what's best for the club saintand266
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9:37am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

saintand266 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
Reminds me a bit of the Gaston deal
it does, in which case I think there could be a strong chance. fingers crossed, but I'm pretty sure NA and NC realise the gravity of our situation and investing £10m now could make the difference between us going down or staying up with the multiple millions ££!
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]Reminds me a bit of the Gaston deal[/p][/quote]it does, in which case I think there could be a strong chance. fingers crossed, but I'm pretty sure NA and NC realise the gravity of our situation and investing £10m now could make the difference between us going down or staying up with the multiple millions ££! SaintMax
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9:44am Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:50am Mon 7 Jan 13

rossofficial10 says...

SaintMax wrote:
We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October?
In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March?
We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..
its not clicking in defense at the moment so we need some defensive reinforcements asap and a winger to!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October? In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March? We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..[/p][/quote]its not clicking in defense at the moment so we need some defensive reinforcements asap and a winger to! rossofficial10
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10:22am Mon 7 Jan 13

franiow says...

Fonte would be a huge miss as the defence (in combination with midfield tracking back) has been so much better in last few games. Mustn't panic too much about last Saturdays result...it's how we do against the mid to low teams that will define this season.
Fonte would be a huge miss as the defence (in combination with midfield tracking back) has been so much better in last few games. Mustn't panic too much about last Saturdays result...it's how we do against the mid to low teams that will define this season. franiow
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10:32am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages.
They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost.
They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages. They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost. They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion. SaintMax
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10:35am Mon 7 Jan 13

Clever Dick says...

kent141 wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
Bit like Connolly really. Skunts for a final payday or retire. If he watches a re-run of last Friday's comedy show he'll retire.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0[/p][/quote]Bit like Connolly really. Skunts for a final payday or retire. If he watches a re-run of last Friday's comedy show he'll retire. Clever Dick
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10:40am Mon 7 Jan 13

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that. Clever Dick
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10:48am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.
£5m is an absurdly low figure for a player with such potential at such a young age. Its also just paper talk.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.[/p][/quote]£5m is an absurdly low figure for a player with such potential at such a young age. Its also just paper talk. SaintMax
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11:11am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be. SaintJD
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11:17am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)
Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off " Well i never ... ;0)[/p][/quote]Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure? At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher. SaintJD
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11:45am Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

SaintMax wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.
£5m is an absurdly low figure for a player with such potential at such a young age. Its also just paper talk.
http://www.fansnetwo
rk.co.uk/football/so
uthampton/fb_news.ph
p?storyid=19065
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.[/p][/quote]£5m is an absurdly low figure for a player with such potential at such a young age. Its also just paper talk.[/p][/quote]http://www.fansnetwo rk.co.uk/football/so uthampton/fb_news.ph p?storyid=19065 SaintMax
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12:04pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr
ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up. warrens 76
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12:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)
Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.
Not good to be a sniper coward either.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off " Well i never ... ;0)[/p][/quote]Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure? At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.[/p][/quote]Not good to be a sniper coward either. warrens 76
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12:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)
Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.
Not good to be a sniper coward either.
Dont be one then numbnuts......
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off " Well i never ... ;0)[/p][/quote]Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure? At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.[/p][/quote]Not good to be a sniper coward either.[/p][/quote]Dont be one then numbnuts...... kent141
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12:26pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

..'Dont be one then numbnuts..'

See, thats what you are dealing with? Dont bight and the troll will lose interest. He will be saying his Dad could beat your Dad next.
..'Dont be one then numbnuts..' See, thats what you are dealing with? Dont bight and the troll will lose interest. He will be saying his Dad could beat your Dad next. SaintMax
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12:49pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
I think to say we are useless under pressure is a bit harsh and doesn't take into account what we're up against.

The teams you could argue we've not held out against are Stoke, who put every team under intense pressure (and who bypass the midfield, so having one less player didn't alter this), Man Utd, Man City etc. All very good teams.

For me, the reasons behind our tendency to look poor in the last 20 minutes is lack of quality in the wider squad.

I understand NA is having to manage his best players, and he's doing that well so far, but you can noticeably hear the hush go around St Mary's when we lose Lambert, Puncheon and/or Ramirez after 70 minutes and the players seem to lose that belief in a cutting edge too.

While the decision to sub our best players is in some ways justified, it's the lack of equal quality coming on that's a problem.

I can't remember a time when a sub has come on and the crowd is buzzing with expectancy. That's what we miss from the bench.

Plus it isn't fair on them - when he's replacing Rickie it is no wonder Guly isn't given a particularly warm welcome. For Saints fans he can represent the point when we say 'that's it for attacking intent, time to shut up shop'.

Thankfully, J-Rod is beginning to look like he may soon be viewed as a positive sub, rather than someone who is essentially on to save Rickie's legs, but we still aren't looking like a team that comes on strong in the closing minutes - interested to know, bar Fulham, how many meaningful goals we've scored in the last 10 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]I think to say we are useless under pressure is a bit harsh and doesn't take into account what we're up against. The teams you could argue we've not held out against are Stoke, who put every team under intense pressure (and who bypass the midfield, so having one less player didn't alter this), Man Utd, Man City etc. All very good teams. For me, the reasons behind our tendency to look poor in the last 20 minutes is lack of quality in the wider squad. I understand NA is having to manage his best players, and he's doing that well so far, but you can noticeably hear the hush go around St Mary's when we lose Lambert, Puncheon and/or Ramirez after 70 minutes and the players seem to lose that belief in a cutting edge too. While the decision to sub our best players is in some ways justified, it's the lack of equal quality coming on that's a problem. I can't remember a time when a sub has come on and the crowd is buzzing with expectancy. That's what we miss from the bench. Plus it isn't fair on them - when he's replacing Rickie it is no wonder Guly isn't given a particularly warm welcome. For Saints fans he can represent the point when we say 'that's it for attacking intent, time to shut up shop'. Thankfully, J-Rod is beginning to look like he may soon be viewed as a positive sub, rather than someone who is essentially on to save Rickie's legs, but we still aren't looking like a team that comes on strong in the closing minutes - interested to know, bar Fulham, how many meaningful goals we've scored in the last 10 minutes. SaintJD
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12:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13

st1halo says...

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.[/p][/quote]Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make- Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example STID st1halo
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1:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

Just seen talkk of us going for a brazilian midfielder from Inter..

http://www.leggo.it/
articolo.php?id=2090
50&sez=SPORT
Just seen talkk of us going for a brazilian midfielder from Inter.. http://www.leggo.it/ articolo.php?id=2090 50&sez=SPORT SaintMax
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1:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID
agreed figures being touted for Astori are ludicrous if true and we would be mad. This is a player in whom one of the Milan clubs (can't remember which one) had a part share but they weren't interested and let Cagliari buy their share out. I don't think Ramirez looks worth the money we paid for him yet and we already have a superb #10 albeit injured. The sort of money being talked about could reinforce a number of positions across the sqaud and I don't want our team to start resembling a bunch of football mercenaries who play for a season and then hot foot to the next club.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.[/p][/quote]Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make- Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example STID[/p][/quote]agreed figures being touted for Astori are ludicrous if true and we would be mad. This is a player in whom one of the Milan clubs (can't remember which one) had a part share but they weren't interested and let Cagliari buy their share out. I don't think Ramirez looks worth the money we paid for him yet and we already have a superb #10 albeit injured. The sort of money being talked about could reinforce a number of positions across the sqaud and I don't want our team to start resembling a bunch of football mercenaries who play for a season and then hot foot to the next club. right back in the bar
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1:11pm Mon 7 Jan 13

randre says...

SaintMax wrote:
..'Dont be one then numbnuts..' See, thats what you are dealing with? Dont bight and the troll will lose interest. He will be saying his Dad could beat your Dad next.
My Dad could beat his dad and mine has been dead for over 20 years!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..'Dont be one then numbnuts..' See, thats what you are dealing with? Dont bight and the troll will lose interest. He will be saying his Dad could beat your Dad next.[/p][/quote]My Dad could beat his dad and mine has been dead for over 20 years! randre
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1:20pm Mon 7 Jan 13

St Retford says...

If we can sign a top class centre back (ie this lad from Italy) then that'll do for me in this window and would give us enough to stay up. Anything else is a bonus.
If we can sign a top class centre back (ie this lad from Italy) then that'll do for me in this window and would give us enough to stay up. Anything else is a bonus. St Retford
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1:24pm Mon 7 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either. right back in the bar
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1:35pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

St Retford wrote:
If we can sign a top class centre back (ie this lad from Italy) then that'll do for me in this window and would give us enough to stay up. Anything else is a bonus.
Agree with that. Yes the current valuation of Astori appears high, they need the cash and they know we need to buy. What we ultimately end of paying will be way sub £10m if we get him.
I think he would be a better immediate and long term investment than £6m on Scott Dann.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: If we can sign a top class centre back (ie this lad from Italy) then that'll do for me in this window and would give us enough to stay up. Anything else is a bonus.[/p][/quote]Agree with that. Yes the current valuation of Astori appears high, they need the cash and they know we need to buy. What we ultimately end of paying will be way sub £10m if we get him. I think he would be a better immediate and long term investment than £6m on Scott Dann. SaintMax
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1:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13

tugboat says...

right back in the bar wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr


ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.
good couple of posts, On warrens 76 point about players taking too long on the ball,I always believed it was possible to make a player pass with the movement off the ball by others,draw the pass out.
Another point that alarms me is we came up to the prem,albeit earlier than expected ,with some players that were considered by someone at the club as being of prem standard and they blatantly werent,and you have to include some that we paid good money for. That worries me when we now go scouting for players,is the same standard of judgement being used.
No doubt astori is a great player but will he settle into the prem immediately,because thats what we need surely.
On the keeper front,OMG,if ever there was a way of unsettling a back four ,its keep changing the keeper. That could be NA,s downfall if he,s not careful.We have to stick with someone,Boruc comes from the grobbelar school of goalkeeping,sometime
s brilliant ,other times will leave you speechless,kelvin cant seem to get the luck in the prem his loyalty deserves and gazza ,neeeds to play regularly somewhere to get the experience to help him become the great keeper he will be,but this is not here and now.
For me this is our biggest issue and has been since we came up.
I hope it gets sorted somehow.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.[/p][/quote]good couple of posts, On warrens 76 point about players taking too long on the ball,I always believed it was possible to make a player pass with the movement off the ball by others,draw the pass out. Another point that alarms me is we came up to the prem,albeit earlier than expected ,with some players that were considered by someone at the club as being of prem standard and they blatantly werent,and you have to include some that we paid good money for. That worries me when we now go scouting for players,is the same standard of judgement being used. No doubt astori is a great player but will he settle into the prem immediately,because thats what we need surely. On the keeper front,OMG,if ever there was a way of unsettling a back four ,its keep changing the keeper. That could be NA,s downfall if he,s not careful.We have to stick with someone,Boruc comes from the grobbelar school of goalkeeping,sometime s brilliant ,other times will leave you speechless,kelvin cant seem to get the luck in the prem his loyalty deserves and gazza ,neeeds to play regularly somewhere to get the experience to help him become the great keeper he will be,but this is not here and now. For me this is our biggest issue and has been since we came up. I hope it gets sorted somehow. tugboat
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1:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

The keeper thing still shocks me because surely finding a quality keeper should be easier than finding an outfield player because, if reasonably young, the step up from whatever league shouldn't make a huge difference (unless they are playing in a less physical league of course).

Also, the best keepers aren't necessarily playing for big clubs, so they can be overlooked and, unless you insist on buying English (and why you would God only knows), they are often little more than £2 million, so a very small outlay can get you a very good, potentially international, keeper.

Surely there must be a lesser known keeper at a small club in the English or Northern European leagues who is playing out of their skin week in week out for a poor side.

The likes of Taylor, Niemi and Flowers used to stand out like sore thumbs in our teams in the 90s and early 00s. Simple, obvious quality and assurance and you would have been able to see that no matter who they were playing for.
The keeper thing still shocks me because surely finding a quality keeper should be easier than finding an outfield player because, if reasonably young, the step up from whatever league shouldn't make a huge difference (unless they are playing in a less physical league of course). Also, the best keepers aren't necessarily playing for big clubs, so they can be overlooked and, unless you insist on buying English (and why you would God only knows), they are often little more than £2 million, so a very small outlay can get you a very good, potentially international, keeper. Surely there must be a lesser known keeper at a small club in the English or Northern European leagues who is playing out of their skin week in week out for a poor side. The likes of Taylor, Niemi and Flowers used to stand out like sore thumbs in our teams in the 90s and early 00s. Simple, obvious quality and assurance and you would have been able to see that no matter who they were playing for. SaintJD
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1:55pm Mon 7 Jan 13

oldsaintsfan says...

st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID
I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.[/p][/quote]Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make- Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example STID[/p][/quote]I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done. oldsaintsfan
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2:10pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

oldsaintsfan wrote:
st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID
I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.
very true. You cant compare Rodriguez for £7m and Ba for £7m just cos Ba scored 2 on against us makes him a better deal!..
[quote][p][bold]oldsaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.[/p][/quote]Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make- Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example STID[/p][/quote]I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.[/p][/quote]very true. You cant compare Rodriguez for £7m and Ba for £7m just cos Ba scored 2 on against us makes him a better deal!.. SaintMax
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2:14pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

tugboat wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr



ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.
good couple of posts, On warrens 76 point about players taking too long on the ball,I always believed it was possible to make a player pass with the movement off the ball by others,draw the pass out.
Another point that alarms me is we came up to the prem,albeit earlier than expected ,with some players that were considered by someone at the club as being of prem standard and they blatantly werent,and you have to include some that we paid good money for. That worries me when we now go scouting for players,is the same standard of judgement being used.
No doubt astori is a great player but will he settle into the prem immediately,because thats what we need surely.
On the keeper front,OMG,if ever there was a way of unsettling a back four ,its keep changing the keeper. That could be NA,s downfall if he,s not careful.We have to stick with someone,Boruc comes from the grobbelar school of goalkeeping,sometime

s brilliant ,other times will leave you speechless,kelvin cant seem to get the luck in the prem his loyalty deserves and gazza ,neeeds to play regularly somewhere to get the experience to help him become the great keeper he will be,but this is not here and now.
For me this is our biggest issue and has been since we came up.
I hope it gets sorted somehow.
Correct. The spine of any team is the most important thing and, at the moment, the spine isn't actually connected to anything or is being operated on every week.

Anyone thinking one centre back will fix our defensive problems is being a bit optimistic in my view.

We need a top, top quality keeper, a top quality centre back (or two if Fonte is out for more than a couple of weeks) and cover for Shaw at left back.

In reality we need cover at right back too, because Cork should really be part of our spine in the middle too (our whole defensive improvement coincided with him returning and providing cover in the middle of the park).

Now that sounds like we need a lot, but in reality it is just compensating for lack of action in this area during the summer, plus you are only talking about one non-enforced change - in goal.
[quote][p][bold]tugboat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.[/p][/quote]good couple of posts, On warrens 76 point about players taking too long on the ball,I always believed it was possible to make a player pass with the movement off the ball by others,draw the pass out. Another point that alarms me is we came up to the prem,albeit earlier than expected ,with some players that were considered by someone at the club as being of prem standard and they blatantly werent,and you have to include some that we paid good money for. That worries me when we now go scouting for players,is the same standard of judgement being used. No doubt astori is a great player but will he settle into the prem immediately,because thats what we need surely. On the keeper front,OMG,if ever there was a way of unsettling a back four ,its keep changing the keeper. That could be NA,s downfall if he,s not careful.We have to stick with someone,Boruc comes from the grobbelar school of goalkeeping,sometime s brilliant ,other times will leave you speechless,kelvin cant seem to get the luck in the prem his loyalty deserves and gazza ,neeeds to play regularly somewhere to get the experience to help him become the great keeper he will be,but this is not here and now. For me this is our biggest issue and has been since we came up. I hope it gets sorted somehow.[/p][/quote]Correct. The spine of any team is the most important thing and, at the moment, the spine isn't actually connected to anything or is being operated on every week. Anyone thinking one centre back will fix our defensive problems is being a bit optimistic in my view. We need a top, top quality keeper, a top quality centre back (or two if Fonte is out for more than a couple of weeks) and cover for Shaw at left back. In reality we need cover at right back too, because Cork should really be part of our spine in the middle too (our whole defensive improvement coincided with him returning and providing cover in the middle of the park). Now that sounds like we need a lot, but in reality it is just compensating for lack of action in this area during the summer, plus you are only talking about one non-enforced change - in goal. SaintJD
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2:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

kent141 wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
if he wants to play with a cheat like suarez then he will chose liverpool.their manager brendan rogers post match interview yesterday was even more pathetic than NA's on saturday.trying to defend the indefencible.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0[/p][/quote]if he wants to play with a cheat like suarez then he will chose liverpool.their manager brendan rogers post match interview yesterday was even more pathetic than NA's on saturday.trying to defend the indefencible. CB FRY LIVES
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2:18pm Mon 7 Jan 13

St Retford says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
kent141 wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0
if he wants to play with a cheat like suarez then he will chose liverpool.their manager brendan rogers post match interview yesterday was even more pathetic than NA's on saturday.trying to defend the indefencible.
That interview was GENIUS. It boiled down to "You can't have a go at him because he's got kids."

Is that a legal defence nowadays?
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0[/p][/quote]if he wants to play with a cheat like suarez then he will chose liverpool.their manager brendan rogers post match interview yesterday was even more pathetic than NA's on saturday.trying to defend the indefencible.[/p][/quote]That interview was GENIUS. It boiled down to "You can't have a go at him because he's got kids." Is that a legal defence nowadays? St Retford
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2:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

When I say top quality by the way, I don't mean expensive. IMO we can buy two or three top quality players for the price we're being quoted at offering for Astori.

I'm not talking players on high wages either (comparing Ba to J-Rod is a bit unfair based on a gigantic difference in wages and the chances we'd actually have of signing him).

Debuchy to Newcastle for £5 million is a better example because I doubt he's on a huge deal. Still potentially a bit beyond us in terms of profile, but an astute piece of business none-the-less.

Perch wouldn't be the worst signing in the world for us either by the way.
When I say top quality by the way, I don't mean expensive. IMO we can buy two or three top quality players for the price we're being quoted at offering for Astori. I'm not talking players on high wages either (comparing Ba to J-Rod is a bit unfair based on a gigantic difference in wages and the chances we'd actually have of signing him). Debuchy to Newcastle for £5 million is a better example because I doubt he's on a huge deal. Still potentially a bit beyond us in terms of profile, but an astute piece of business none-the-less. Perch wouldn't be the worst signing in the world for us either by the way. SaintJD
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2:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

St.David says...

Get the Italian and a quality keeper. Kelvin stays as No.2 and Paulo goes on loan. I think we have enough to stay up with this. Forget the Chelsea game. Villa is a must win. We will be Premier League next year.
Get the Italian and a quality keeper. Kelvin stays as No.2 and Paulo goes on loan. I think we have enough to stay up with this. Forget the Chelsea game. Villa is a must win. We will be Premier League next year. St.David
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2:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SO50 Saint says...

St.David says...
2:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Get the Italian and a quality keeper. Kelvin stays as No.2 and Paulo goes on loan. I think we have enough to stay up with this. Forget the Chelsea game. Villa is a must win. We will be Premier League next year.”

I agree maybe a winger in on loan aswell
St.David says... 2:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13 Get the Italian and a quality keeper. Kelvin stays as No.2 and Paulo goes on loan. I think we have enough to stay up with this. Forget the Chelsea game. Villa is a must win. We will be Premier League next year.” I agree maybe a winger in on loan aswell SO50 Saint
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2:38pm Mon 7 Jan 13

mbetts says...

Southampton are ready to boost their survival bid with a £10m offer for Inter Milan youngster Philippe Coutinho, according to sources in Italy.
The newly-promoted side, who currently sit one place above 18th-placed Aston Villa by virtue of their goal difference, raided Serie A back in the summer when they signed Gaston Ramirez from Bologna.
And now manager Nigel Adkins has targeted Coutinho, who has become a peripheral figure at the San Siro this season, having managed just three league starts.
The promising Brazilian midfielder was hailed as a future star when he made his Inter debut in 2010, but the club are now considering selling him in order to fund bids for other players.
Southampton will face competition for his signature though, as Aston Villa are also tracking him.

We don't need another £10m midfielder, a £10m centreback or keeper.
Southampton are ready to boost their survival bid with a £10m offer for Inter Milan youngster Philippe Coutinho, according to sources in Italy. The newly-promoted side, who currently sit one place above 18th-placed Aston Villa by virtue of their goal difference, raided Serie A back in the summer when they signed Gaston Ramirez from Bologna. And now manager Nigel Adkins has targeted Coutinho, who has become a peripheral figure at the San Siro this season, having managed just three league starts. The promising Brazilian midfielder was hailed as a future star when he made his Inter debut in 2010, but the club are now considering selling him in order to fund bids for other players. Southampton will face competition for his signature though, as Aston Villa are also tracking him. We don't need another £10m midfielder, a £10m centreback or keeper. mbetts
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2:47pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

mbetts wrote:
Southampton are ready to boost their survival bid with a £10m offer for Inter Milan youngster Philippe Coutinho, according to sources in Italy.
The newly-promoted side, who currently sit one place above 18th-placed Aston Villa by virtue of their goal difference, raided Serie A back in the summer when they signed Gaston Ramirez from Bologna.
And now manager Nigel Adkins has targeted Coutinho, who has become a peripheral figure at the San Siro this season, having managed just three league starts.
The promising Brazilian midfielder was hailed as a future star when he made his Inter debut in 2010, but the club are now considering selling him in order to fund bids for other players.
Southampton will face competition for his signature though, as Aston Villa are also tracking him.

We don't need another £10m midfielder, a £10m centreback or keeper.
spotted and quoted the same article in this thread an hour and half ago. well done though.
Just becuase the report is claiming we have bid for a midfield player doesnt mean thats the only player we are interested in (GK or CB too..) You have to speculate on several players to cover your options.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: Southampton are ready to boost their survival bid with a £10m offer for Inter Milan youngster Philippe Coutinho, according to sources in Italy. The newly-promoted side, who currently sit one place above 18th-placed Aston Villa by virtue of their goal difference, raided Serie A back in the summer when they signed Gaston Ramirez from Bologna. And now manager Nigel Adkins has targeted Coutinho, who has become a peripheral figure at the San Siro this season, having managed just three league starts. The promising Brazilian midfielder was hailed as a future star when he made his Inter debut in 2010, but the club are now considering selling him in order to fund bids for other players. Southampton will face competition for his signature though, as Aston Villa are also tracking him. We don't need another £10m midfielder, a £10m centreback or keeper.[/p][/quote]spotted and quoted the same article in this thread an hour and half ago. well done though. Just becuase the report is claiming we have bid for a midfield player doesnt mean thats the only player we are interested in (GK or CB too..) You have to speculate on several players to cover your options. SaintMax
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2:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

Seems like our scouting network (sorry Nicola) is very active in Italy these days...

Also seems like we have caught Wenger-itis, which involves partial blindness and the ability to see (and collect) nothing but talented young midfield players.

Patients have also reported the inability to spot appalling goalkeeping and defensive gaffs, even when repeatedly exposed to them over several years.
Seems like our scouting network (sorry Nicola) is very active in Italy these days... Also seems like we have caught Wenger-itis, which involves partial blindness and the ability to see (and collect) nothing but talented young midfield players. Patients have also reported the inability to spot appalling goalkeeping and defensive gaffs, even when repeatedly exposed to them over several years. SaintJD
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3:18pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Spine of the team it is... and with the exception of Lambert who often through no fault of his own (lack of service) goes on the missing list..we have not got one...Lallana is lovely player but not cutting edge yet and final ball or shot still not quite there.

Three of the most important pieces are missing if Cork is pushed out to the sides...

I am seriously worried, I felt we would come good earlier in the season but potential and must wins have become draws or losses like all teams at some stage in the campaign we now have injury problems...

To stay up we needed IMO to beat Sunderland, and get full points when we had the chance from Stoke and Arsenal..few opportunities come in this league and if you do not take them they rarely come up again..

I do not think a miracle signing is the answer..the players have got to speed up their thinking, play and be mentally stronger, resisit the urge to boot the ball upfield hopefully those days have gone...possession at all times..
Spine of the team it is... and with the exception of Lambert who often through no fault of his own (lack of service) goes on the missing list..we have not got one...Lallana is lovely player but not cutting edge yet and final ball or shot still not quite there. Three of the most important pieces are missing if Cork is pushed out to the sides... I am seriously worried, I felt we would come good earlier in the season but potential and must wins have become draws or losses like all teams at some stage in the campaign we now have injury problems... To stay up we needed IMO to beat Sunderland, and get full points when we had the chance from Stoke and Arsenal..few opportunities come in this league and if you do not take them they rarely come up again.. I do not think a miracle signing is the answer..the players have got to speed up their thinking, play and be mentally stronger, resisit the urge to boot the ball upfield hopefully those days have gone...possession at all times.. warrens 76
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3:35pm Mon 7 Jan 13

st1halo says...

SaintMax wrote:
oldsaintsfan wrote:
st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.
Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID
I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.
very true. You cant compare Rodriguez for £7m and Ba for £7m just cos Ba scored 2 on against us makes him a better deal!..
Trust me the comparison is not made on Ba scoring two goals!! (even though he's done as much in one game as J-Rod has all season!)
My point is value for money and imo we paid well over the odds for J-Rod. £3.5m would have been a reasonable gamble on a young inexperienced Championship player if you valued him compared to say Billy Sharp. For £7m you can buy a whole lot more. As football is a business you also have to look at the sell-on value of players, JR is going to have to start banging them in for fun in order to increase his value.


STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldsaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent. Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality. Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in. Astori linked with Liverpool today. Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question. Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals. Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.[/p][/quote]Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make- Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example STID[/p][/quote]I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.[/p][/quote]very true. You cant compare Rodriguez for £7m and Ba for £7m just cos Ba scored 2 on against us makes him a better deal!..[/p][/quote]Trust me the comparison is not made on Ba scoring two goals!! (even though he's done as much in one game as J-Rod has all season!) My point is value for money and imo we paid well over the odds for J-Rod. £3.5m would have been a reasonable gamble on a young inexperienced Championship player if you valued him compared to say Billy Sharp. For £7m you can buy a whole lot more. As football is a business you also have to look at the sell-on value of players, JR is going to have to start banging them in for fun in order to increase his value. STID st1halo
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3:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Spine of the team it is... and with the exception of Lambert who often through no fault of his own (lack of service) goes on the missing list..we have not got one...Lallana is lovely player but not cutting edge yet and final ball or shot still not quite there.

Three of the most important pieces are missing if Cork is pushed out to the sides...

I am seriously worried, I felt we would come good earlier in the season but potential and must wins have become draws or losses like all teams at some stage in the campaign we now have injury problems...

To stay up we needed IMO to beat Sunderland, and get full points when we had the chance from Stoke and Arsenal..few opportunities come in this league and if you do not take them they rarely come up again..

I do not think a miracle signing is the answer..the players have got to speed up their thinking, play and be mentally stronger, resisit the urge to boot the ball upfield hopefully those days have gone...possession at all times..
Spine of the team it is... and with the exception of Lambert who often through no fault of his own (lack of service) goes on the missing list..we have not got one...Lallana is lovely player but not cutting edge yet and final ball or shot still not quite there. Three of the most important pieces are missing if Cork is pushed out to the sides... I am seriously worried, I felt we would come good earlier in the season but potential and must wins have become draws or losses like all teams at some stage in the campaign we now have injury problems... To stay up we needed IMO to beat Sunderland, and get full points when we had the chance from Stoke and Arsenal..few opportunities come in this league and if you do not take them they rarely come up again.. I do not think a miracle signing is the answer..the players have got to speed up their thinking, play and be mentally stronger, resisit the urge to boot the ball upfield hopefully those days have gone...possession at all times.. warrens 76
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3:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://www.goal.com/
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/3655108/- Just another link
http://www.goal.com/ en-gb/news/2892/tran sfer-zone/2013/01/07 /3655108/- Just another link OSPREYSAINT
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4:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintMax wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages.
They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost.
They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.
I'm not saying he isn't worth £12m, I have no idea, all I'm saying is we need to be sure if we are to pay that much. I think Gaston is brilliant but we paid full price for him. Some are questioning Jay Rod at £7m. If we pay £12m for a CB we need to make sure that everyone is saying what a good buy he was a few months later.

Rickie at £1m, Cork at £750k, Clyne at £1.8m? sort of puts it into perspective.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages. They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost. They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying he isn't worth £12m, I have no idea, all I'm saying is we need to be sure if we are to pay that much. I think Gaston is brilliant but we paid full price for him. Some are questioning Jay Rod at £7m. If we pay £12m for a CB we need to make sure that everyone is saying what a good buy he was a few months later. Rickie at £1m, Cork at £750k, Clyne at £1.8m? sort of puts it into perspective. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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4:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

El Santo says...

Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that. El Santo
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4:30pm Mon 7 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have. right back in the bar
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4:42pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

Nigel will prove his worth in the transfer market..The orange one has a eye for a bargain as well..Ramirez £12m, i dont think another manager could have pulled that deal off.
Nigel will prove his worth in the transfer market..The orange one has a eye for a bargain as well..Ramirez £12m, i dont think another manager could have pulled that deal off. kent141
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4:43pm Mon 7 Jan 13

St Retford says...

right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.
Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.[/p][/quote]Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now. St Retford
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4:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13

rocketone says...

Ba had the clause put into his contract on signing for NUFC and at the time he was a risk, injuries and ineffective. He came good and Chelsea got him cheap.
Gazza was a good prospect at Gillingham and was turning in very good performances, bought for the future With Kelvin & Boruc as first choices. Didn't turn out that way and now he has to be coached very carefully so he doesn't do a Bart, ie fall apart!
This can happen with any player, Torres? £50m?
Break the bank , get Lampard!
Liverpool bought a reasonable CB from Rangers for £2m 18 months ago and he hasn't featured for them at all, Wilson. Scottish international when playing for Rangers and a real prospect. A footballing CB and cool under pressure, think he might have gone out on loan , could get him cheap and nurture with an older Prem experienced CB for. Season or two to help bring on him and Stephens and Martin.
Ba had the clause put into his contract on signing for NUFC and at the time he was a risk, injuries and ineffective. He came good and Chelsea got him cheap. Gazza was a good prospect at Gillingham and was turning in very good performances, bought for the future With Kelvin & Boruc as first choices. Didn't turn out that way and now he has to be coached very carefully so he doesn't do a Bart, ie fall apart! This can happen with any player, Torres? £50m? Break the bank , get Lampard! Liverpool bought a reasonable CB from Rangers for £2m 18 months ago and he hasn't featured for them at all, Wilson. Scottish international when playing for Rangers and a real prospect. A footballing CB and cool under pressure, think he might have gone out on loan , could get him cheap and nurture with an older Prem experienced CB for. Season or two to help bring on him and Stephens and Martin. rocketone
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4:58pm Mon 7 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

St Retford wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.
Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.
Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.[/p][/quote]Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.[/p][/quote]Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back. right back in the bar
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5:12pm Mon 7 Jan 13

El Santo says...

right back in the bar wrote:
St Retford wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.
Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.
Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.
Agree although I have to say that they are used to defending in a completely different game; 11 behind the goalkeeper and they only see an attacker of the other team when they coincide in the midfield, asking for some water or isotonic beverage.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.[/p][/quote]Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.[/p][/quote]Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.[/p][/quote]Agree although I have to say that they are used to defending in a completely different game; 11 behind the goalkeeper and they only see an attacker of the other team when they coincide in the midfield, asking for some water or isotonic beverage. El Santo
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5:18pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax... SaintMax
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5:19pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

El Santo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
St Retford wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.
Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.
Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.
Agree although I have to say that they are used to defending in a completely different game; 11 behind the goalkeeper and they only see an attacker of the other team when they coincide in the midfield, asking for some water or isotonic beverage.
Very good LOL thks..
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.[/p][/quote]Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.[/p][/quote]Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.[/p][/quote]Agree although I have to say that they are used to defending in a completely different game; 11 behind the goalkeeper and they only see an attacker of the other team when they coincide in the midfield, asking for some water or isotonic beverage.[/p][/quote]Very good LOL thks.. SaintMax
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5:26pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

Here is some food for thought relating to our opposition last weekend.

According to Sky Sports, below is the list of strikers our opposition has spent nearly £200 million on in recent years.

Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Drogba, Kalou, Sahar, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Anelka, De Santo, Sturridge, Torres, Lukaku


I make that a 1 in 13 success rate (although Anelka did OKish). Truly amazing.

When we analyse our team, let's just consider what we are up against in this league - it's no League 1.

It's also why we need to strengthen our back four further.

Clearly our games against Chelsea won't determine whether we stay up or not, but it is still frightening spending power.
Here is some food for thought relating to our opposition last weekend. According to Sky Sports, below is the list of strikers our opposition has spent nearly £200 million on in recent years. Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Drogba, Kalou, Sahar, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Anelka, De Santo, Sturridge, Torres, Lukaku I make that a 1 in 13 success rate (although Anelka did OKish). Truly amazing. When we analyse our team, let's just consider what we are up against in this league - it's no League 1. It's also why we need to strengthen our back four further. Clearly our games against Chelsea won't determine whether we stay up or not, but it is still frightening spending power. SaintJD
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5:28pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

We do need to pass the ball quicker. If you listen to Nigel's interviews and watch him on the touchline I think you will find he is saying exactly the same thing.
We do need to pass the ball quicker. If you listen to Nigel's interviews and watch him on the touchline I think you will find he is saying exactly the same thing. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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5:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13

El Santo says...

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Good point! And, remember, Arsenal destroyed us, even worse 6-1, and then when we played against them again, we actually OUTFOOTBALLED them.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Good point! And, remember, Arsenal destroyed us, even worse 6-1, and then when we played against them again, we actually OUTFOOTBALLED them. El Santo
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5:54pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Totally off thread, but I've just read a post from Saintsayer on the Yoursay site.
Hopefully good news for him...he says he has a lot to catch up on!
Totally off thread, but I've just read a post from Saintsayer on the Yoursay site. Hopefully good news for him...he says he has a lot to catch up on! Baddesley Bill
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5:56pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

El Santo wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Good point! And, remember, Arsenal destroyed us, even worse 6-1, and then when we played against them again, we actually OUTFOOTBALLED them.
Eeeeeexactly, and my fatherinlaw shook hands with Nigel in the bishop on the bridge toilets yesterday afternoon and Nige showed he hasn't lost his goalkeeping handling skills.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Good point! And, remember, Arsenal destroyed us, even worse 6-1, and then when we played against them again, we actually OUTFOOTBALLED them.[/p][/quote]Eeeeeexactly, and my fatherinlaw shook hands with Nigel in the bishop on the bridge toilets yesterday afternoon and Nige showed he hasn't lost his goalkeeping handling skills. SaintMax
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6:04pm Mon 7 Jan 13

batesieboy says...

"...watch him on the touchline..." Seed you gotta be joking!! Mr. Adkins sat in the dugout like a frightened rabbit all through the second half when the team most needed a bit of support, guidance and leadership on Saturday. That disgusted me.
"...watch him on the touchline..." Seed you gotta be joking!! Mr. Adkins sat in the dugout like a frightened rabbit all through the second half when the team most needed a bit of support, guidance and leadership on Saturday. That disgusted me. batesieboy
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6:04pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Saintsteve7 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that
Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.
Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..
When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.
If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages.
They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost.
They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.
I'm not saying he isn't worth £12m, I have no idea, all I'm saying is we need to be sure if we are to pay that much. I think Gaston is brilliant but we paid full price for him. Some are questioning Jay Rod at £7m. If we pay £12m for a CB we need to make sure that everyone is saying what a good buy he was a few months later.

Rickie at £1m, Cork at £750k, Clyne at £1.8m? sort of puts it into perspective.
RL had only ever played in the lower leagues so £1m was a lot of money.
Cork had been on loan at just about everyone and at the time £750k was about right.
Clyne was out of contract at Palace so we only paid a minimal fee as he was under 23.
It's difficult to compare these deals with those of Gaston and J Rod as the situations were so different. Gaston has been touted and one of the brightest young talents in world football and was also coming off the back of a successful Olympic games.
JRod was regarded as future England striker with pace and good aerial ability £7m may of been slightly high but we'll never really know the true amount so it's hard to judge. Good young English players will now start to command pretty hefty transfer fees, with the introduction of the new rules regarding home grown players coming into play pretty soon.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that[/p][/quote]Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.[/p][/quote]Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola. Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..[/p][/quote]When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices. I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.[/p][/quote]If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages. They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost. They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying he isn't worth £12m, I have no idea, all I'm saying is we need to be sure if we are to pay that much. I think Gaston is brilliant but we paid full price for him. Some are questioning Jay Rod at £7m. If we pay £12m for a CB we need to make sure that everyone is saying what a good buy he was a few months later. Rickie at £1m, Cork at £750k, Clyne at £1.8m? sort of puts it into perspective.[/p][/quote]RL had only ever played in the lower leagues so £1m was a lot of money. Cork had been on loan at just about everyone and at the time £750k was about right. Clyne was out of contract at Palace so we only paid a minimal fee as he was under 23. It's difficult to compare these deals with those of Gaston and J Rod as the situations were so different. Gaston has been touted and one of the brightest young talents in world football and was also coming off the back of a successful Olympic games. JRod was regarded as future England striker with pace and good aerial ability £7m may of been slightly high but we'll never really know the true amount so it's hard to judge. Good young English players will now start to command pretty hefty transfer fees, with the introduction of the new rules regarding home grown players coming into play pretty soon. Saintsteve7
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6:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba
ll.co.uk/analysis/fo
rm.asp?l=1&season=13
&formtype=&gamescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&season=13 &formtype=&gamescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip! Velleity
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6:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13

abbiscuits says...

my views:

sign astori, distin then Samir Handanovic (12mil) 6ft 5 shot stopper and penalty saver - conceded just 4 goals for slovenia in 10 matches in world cup qualifying maybe matt phillips aas well ( could get him forr 4mil)
my views: sign astori, distin then Samir Handanovic (12mil) 6ft 5 shot stopper and penalty saver - conceded just 4 goals for slovenia in 10 matches in world cup qualifying maybe matt phillips aas well ( could get him forr 4mil) abbiscuits
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6:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13

rocketone says...

SaintJD wrote:
Here is some food for thought relating to our opposition last weekend.

According to Sky Sports, below is the list of strikers our opposition has spent nearly £200 million on in recent years.

Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Drogba, Kalou, Sahar, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Anelka, De Santo, Sturridge, Torres, Lukaku


I make that a 1 in 13 success rate (although Anelka did OKish). Truly amazing.

When we analyse our team, let's just consider what we are up against in this league - it's no League 1.

It's also why we need to strengthen our back four further.

Clearly our games against Chelsea won't determine whether we stay up or not, but it is still frightening spending power.
And their current regular goalscorer, Lampard, is available for free. Ok wages will be high, but WTF , if we don't try we will never know.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Here is some food for thought relating to our opposition last weekend. According to Sky Sports, below is the list of strikers our opposition has spent nearly £200 million on in recent years. Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Drogba, Kalou, Sahar, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Anelka, De Santo, Sturridge, Torres, Lukaku I make that a 1 in 13 success rate (although Anelka did OKish). Truly amazing. When we analyse our team, let's just consider what we are up against in this league - it's no League 1. It's also why we need to strengthen our back four further. Clearly our games against Chelsea won't determine whether we stay up or not, but it is still frightening spending power.[/p][/quote]And their current regular goalscorer, Lampard, is available for free. Ok wages will be high, but WTF , if we don't try we will never know. rocketone
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6:10pm Mon 7 Jan 13

upwherewebelong says...

The thing that puzzles/concerns me most is just how casual and relaxed NA appears about the obvious failings with the strength of our squad. I don't expect for one minute that he would criticise the players in public but surely he and NC should have done what Wigan have which is have a clearly identifiable transfer strategy in place before January then as soon as the window opens they confirm the deals. Whereas all we as SFC fans get is constant rumours from sites with varying degrees of reliability and honesty. I hope that NA is getting a CB in ASAP. BUT.....the thing that concerns me about our transfer policy is that there is constant references to a "recruitment department" didn't Notts Forest have a similar thing and in my opinion it doesn't work. I believe the manager should know exactly who he wants not a department of unnamed people that might not be working to the same ends as the manager
The thing that puzzles/concerns me most is just how casual and relaxed NA appears about the obvious failings with the strength of our squad. I don't expect for one minute that he would criticise the players in public but surely he and NC should have done what Wigan have which is have a clearly identifiable transfer strategy in place before January then as soon as the window opens they confirm the deals. Whereas all we as SFC fans get is constant rumours from sites with varying degrees of reliability and honesty. I hope that NA is getting a CB in ASAP. BUT.....the thing that concerns me about our transfer policy is that there is constant references to a "recruitment department" didn't Notts Forest have a similar thing and in my opinion it doesn't work. I believe the manager should know exactly who he wants not a department of unnamed people that might not be working to the same ends as the manager upwherewebelong
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6:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba

ll.co.uk/analysis/fo

rm.asp?l=1&seaso
n=13
&formtype=&g
amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies. Velleity
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6:23pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

batesieboy wrote:
"...watch him on the touchline..." Seed you gotta be joking!! Mr. Adkins sat in the dugout like a frightened rabbit all through the second half when the team most needed a bit of support, guidance and leadership on Saturday. That disgusted me.
Well said, the orange one is like a lost little boy sometimes....
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: "...watch him on the touchline..." Seed you gotta be joking!! Mr. Adkins sat in the dugout like a frightened rabbit all through the second half when the team most needed a bit of support, guidance and leadership on Saturday. That disgusted me.[/p][/quote]Well said, the orange one is like a lost little boy sometimes.... kent141
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6:23pm Mon 7 Jan 13

st bevois says...

El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO! st bevois
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6:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
[quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off... kent141
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Totally off thread, but I've just read a post from Saintsayer on the Yoursay site.
Hopefully good news for him...he says he has a lot to catch up on!
That is the best news on here today.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Totally off thread, but I've just read a post from Saintsayer on the Yoursay site. Hopefully good news for him...he says he has a lot to catch up on![/p][/quote]That is the best news on here today. OSPREYSAINT
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6:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba


ll.co.uk/analysis/fo


rm.asp?l=1&seaso

n=13
&formtype=&g

amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Seed said it myself probably ten times on the forums..we give the oppossing team far to much time to get behind the ball and we go backwards when pressed..we gotta speed it up, it is mental as much as physical..
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Seed said it myself probably ten times on the forums..we give the oppossing team far to much time to get behind the ball and we go backwards when pressed..we gotta speed it up, it is mental as much as physical.. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba


ll.co.uk/analysis/fo


rm.asp?l=1&seaso

n=13
&formtype=&g

amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We do need to pass the ball quicker. If you listen to Nigel's interviews and watch him on the touchline I think you will find he is saying exactly the same thing.
Preferably in the direction of the oppositions goal, the current trend to pass it back, is getting too predictable and we are losing possession too often in the wrong areas.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We do need to pass the ball quicker. If you listen to Nigel's interviews and watch him on the touchline I think you will find he is saying exactly the same thing.[/p][/quote]Preferably in the direction of the oppositions goal, the current trend to pass it back, is getting too predictable and we are losing possession too often in the wrong areas. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ... kent141
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6:38pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Clever Dick says...

No point risking a 12 million pound player is there. In Skunt terms that is like taking off your 10 penny player and leaving on the twopenny and threepenny ones.
No point risking a 12 million pound player is there. In Skunt terms that is like taking off your 10 penny player and leaving on the twopenny and threepenny ones. Clever Dick
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6:46pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
Nigel will prove his worth in the transfer market..The orange one has a eye for a bargain as well..Ramirez £12m, i dont think another manager could have pulled that deal off.
Don't you find it crazy that newspapers are saying Southampton are outbidding cash strapped Liverpool, how bizarre is that? Perhaps the Ramirez deal is just the tip of the iceberg?
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: Nigel will prove his worth in the transfer market..The orange one has a eye for a bargain as well..Ramirez £12m, i dont think another manager could have pulled that deal off.[/p][/quote]Don't you find it crazy that newspapers are saying Southampton are outbidding cash strapped Liverpool, how bizarre is that? Perhaps the Ramirez deal is just the tip of the iceberg? OSPREYSAINT
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6:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...[/p][/quote]Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do. OSPREYSAINT
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6:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.
Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...[/p][/quote]Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.[/p][/quote]Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey. kent141
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6:58pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.
Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.
Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...[/p][/quote]Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.[/p][/quote]Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.[/p][/quote]Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards. OSPREYSAINT
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7:04pm Mon 7 Jan 13

kent141 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.
Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.
Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.
Well i may pop along as i dont have any standards, hope slugger and warren are there....im sure seed is too busy on the Pompey site telling porkies ....Ta Ta
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...[/p][/quote]Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.[/p][/quote]Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.[/p][/quote]Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.[/p][/quote]Well i may pop along as i dont have any standards, hope slugger and warren are there....im sure seed is too busy on the Pompey site telling porkies ....Ta Ta kent141
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
kent141 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
El Santo wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?
Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.
Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.
I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!
Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...
Go away.
Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...
Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.
Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.
Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.
Well i may pop along as i dont have any standards, hope slugger and warren are there....im sure seed is too busy on the Pompey site telling porkies ....Ta Ta
Well they have a vacancy for Dopey, you fit the bill. Have fun and don't get short with anybody, I'm not Happy.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level. Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week. On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier. We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.[/p][/quote]I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up. To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past. AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO![/p][/quote]Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...[/p][/quote]Go away.[/p][/quote]Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...[/p][/quote]Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.[/p][/quote]Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.[/p][/quote]Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.[/p][/quote]Well i may pop along as i dont have any standards, hope slugger and warren are there....im sure seed is too busy on the Pompey site telling porkies ....Ta Ta[/p][/quote]Well they have a vacancy for Dopey, you fit the bill. Have fun and don't get short with anybody, I'm not Happy. OSPREYSAINT
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7:12pm Mon 7 Jan 13

saintlysoul says...

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
I was watching the game on Saturday and have just watched the highlights on Saints Player. The points raised by Warrens are well made. What I find frustrating is how we don't utilise a central midfielder to distribute the ball, a playmaker in the style of Scholes. JWP is best in the centre of midfield. If you watch him he is constantly moving and scanning a la Lampard and moving in to space. Despite his movement no one seems to pass to him!

Against Chelsea when JWP was in space players such as Davis and Puncheon decided to 'go alone'. They pass to a player who is not in space or a player who has a man on thus putting the team under pressure and inevitably losing possession. This is disappointing from 'senior'' players. De Ridder is another culprit- head down and try to beat everyone.

When you watch Chelsea they pass the ball at a high tempo and their movement is excellent. This is what Saints need to start doing - if nothing else lets get the tempo increased.

I think JWP will do a good job in a 'Scholes' role I've seen him play that role at under 18, under 21 and for England under 19s.

Shaw seem to struggle on Saturday not surprising bearing in mind the number of games he's played recently!!! He was caught out of position for a couple of the goals and was nut megged again on another. He needs a rest but probably won't get one due to there being no one to replace him.

The team need to up the tempo keep their heads up and certain players need reminding that it is a team game!!!!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]I was watching the game on Saturday and have just watched the highlights on Saints Player. The points raised by Warrens are well made. What I find frustrating is how we don't utilise a central midfielder to distribute the ball, a playmaker in the style of Scholes. JWP is best in the centre of midfield. If you watch him he is constantly moving and scanning a la Lampard and moving in to space. Despite his movement no one seems to pass to him! Against Chelsea when JWP was in space players such as Davis and Puncheon decided to 'go alone'. They pass to a player who is not in space or a player who has a man on thus putting the team under pressure and inevitably losing possession. This is disappointing from 'senior'' players. De Ridder is another culprit- head down and try to beat everyone. When you watch Chelsea they pass the ball at a high tempo and their movement is excellent. This is what Saints need to start doing - if nothing else lets get the tempo increased. I think JWP will do a good job in a 'Scholes' role I've seen him play that role at under 18, under 21 and for England under 19s. Shaw seem to struggle on Saturday not surprising bearing in mind the number of games he's played recently!!! He was caught out of position for a couple of the goals and was nut megged again on another. He needs a rest but probably won't get one due to there being no one to replace him. The team need to up the tempo keep their heads up and certain players need reminding that it is a team game!!!! saintlysoul
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7:20pm Mon 7 Jan 13

saintlysoul says...

One of the things that frustrates me in the modern game is the number of foreign players who appear for English teams. By way of example I noted on the back of the programme at the Chelsea game have on 6 players in their squad who are English. The team therefore don't really represent 'Chelsea' that team in south west London. What is the point of them having an Academy? The same can be said for Liverpool the Manchester clubs and Arsenal.

So it boils down to this- the game is one if the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Those clubs with multi millionaire chairmen will always be at the top of the league. I would love to see just for one season every team having to field players only from the city or town that the club represents. Who would win the league then?

Anyway getting back to the real world I thought some FIFA / UEFA rule was being brought in requiring teams to field a team with a minimum of so many home grown players . The sooner that rule is implemented the better.

The current system is a farce and monstrously unfair!!!!!
One of the things that frustrates me in the modern game is the number of foreign players who appear for English teams. By way of example I noted on the back of the programme at the Chelsea game have on 6 players in their squad who are English. The team therefore don't really represent 'Chelsea' that team in south west London. What is the point of them having an Academy? The same can be said for Liverpool the Manchester clubs and Arsenal. So it boils down to this- the game is one if the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Those clubs with multi millionaire chairmen will always be at the top of the league. I would love to see just for one season every team having to field players only from the city or town that the club represents. Who would win the league then? Anyway getting back to the real world I thought some FIFA / UEFA rule was being brought in requiring teams to field a team with a minimum of so many home grown players . The sooner that rule is implemented the better. The current system is a farce and monstrously unfair!!!!! saintlysoul
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7:24pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba



ll.co.uk/analysis/fo



rm.asp?l=1&seaso


n=13
&formtype=&g


amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far. Velleity
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7:24pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show.. warrens 76
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7:29pm Mon 7 Jan 13

saintlysoul says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..
You're absolutely right. The basic principle is to keep possession. Pass and move. It doesn't have to be elaborate and flash. If you keep possession the other side can't play. Simple is genius!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right. The basic principle is to keep possession. Pass and move. It doesn't have to be elaborate and flash. If you keep possession the other side can't play. Simple is genius!!!!!!!! saintlysoul
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7:34pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintlysoul wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr


ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.
I was watching the game on Saturday and have just watched the highlights on Saints Player. The points raised by Warrens are well made. What I find frustrating is how we don't utilise a central midfielder to distribute the ball, a playmaker in the style of Scholes. JWP is best in the centre of midfield. If you watch him he is constantly moving and scanning a la Lampard and moving in to space. Despite his movement no one seems to pass to him!

Against Chelsea when JWP was in space players such as Davis and Puncheon decided to 'go alone'. They pass to a player who is not in space or a player who has a man on thus putting the team under pressure and inevitably losing possession. This is disappointing from 'senior'' players. De Ridder is another culprit- head down and try to beat everyone.

When you watch Chelsea they pass the ball at a high tempo and their movement is excellent. This is what Saints need to start doing - if nothing else lets get the tempo increased.

I think JWP will do a good job in a 'Scholes' role I've seen him play that role at under 18, under 21 and for England under 19s.

Shaw seem to struggle on Saturday not surprising bearing in mind the number of games he's played recently!!! He was caught out of position for a couple of the goals and was nut megged again on another. He needs a rest but probably won't get one due to there being no one to replace him.

The team need to up the tempo keep their heads up and certain players need reminding that it is a team game!!!!
Your point about Puncheon is well made, much as I have enjoyed his return, he has become a bit of a one trick pony, cut inside and have shot, usually with his weaker foot, never seems to get to the by-line to get in a decent cross, just my observation from recent games.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection... However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure..... 1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper. 2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh.. 3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options.... We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same..... It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around. I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball.... ...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked... We have to speed up and toughen up.[/p][/quote]I was watching the game on Saturday and have just watched the highlights on Saints Player. The points raised by Warrens are well made. What I find frustrating is how we don't utilise a central midfielder to distribute the ball, a playmaker in the style of Scholes. JWP is best in the centre of midfield. If you watch him he is constantly moving and scanning a la Lampard and moving in to space. Despite his movement no one seems to pass to him! Against Chelsea when JWP was in space players such as Davis and Puncheon decided to 'go alone'. They pass to a player who is not in space or a player who has a man on thus putting the team under pressure and inevitably losing possession. This is disappointing from 'senior'' players. De Ridder is another culprit- head down and try to beat everyone. When you watch Chelsea they pass the ball at a high tempo and their movement is excellent. This is what Saints need to start doing - if nothing else lets get the tempo increased. I think JWP will do a good job in a 'Scholes' role I've seen him play that role at under 18, under 21 and for England under 19s. Shaw seem to struggle on Saturday not surprising bearing in mind the number of games he's played recently!!! He was caught out of position for a couple of the goals and was nut megged again on another. He needs a rest but probably won't get one due to there being no one to replace him. The team need to up the tempo keep their heads up and certain players need reminding that it is a team game!!!![/p][/quote]Your point about Puncheon is well made, much as I have enjoyed his return, he has become a bit of a one trick pony, cut inside and have shot, usually with his weaker foot, never seems to get to the by-line to get in a decent cross, just my observation from recent games. OSPREYSAINT
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7:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..
Not panicking and playing well when the pressure is on comes with experience of good results.
It's human nature to panic when you are in a situation that in your experience ends up as typically going against you (first ten games of the season).
That's why everyone was saying before the Chelsea game, if we lose let's not let it effect our good momentum (Steve Davis)
If the team read this thread they would realise that a large % of the fan base let the Chelsea game effect their confidence in the team, so what hope do they have in playing with confidence and not panicking when the crowds leaving on 85 mins..?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..[/p][/quote]Not panicking and playing well when the pressure is on comes with experience of good results. It's human nature to panic when you are in a situation that in your experience ends up as typically going against you (first ten games of the season). That's why everyone was saying before the Chelsea game, if we lose let's not let it effect our good momentum (Steve Davis) If the team read this thread they would realise that a large % of the fan base let the Chelsea game effect their confidence in the team, so what hope do they have in playing with confidence and not panicking when the crowds leaving on 85 mins..? SaintMax
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7:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba




ll.co.uk/analysis/fo




rm.asp?l=1&seaso



n=13
&formtype=&g



amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you. warrens 76
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7:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13

fred the red says...

SaintJD wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)
Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.
I have to say that there is a misrepresentation of facts here.

Pompey could afford a stretcher.

However, they are unlikely to find anyone from St John's Ambulance willing to carry it as the villains at Krap Nottarf still have not made good on donations for service rendered years ago!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off " Well i never ... ;0)[/p][/quote]Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure? At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.[/p][/quote]I have to say that there is a misrepresentation of facts here. Pompey could afford a stretcher. However, they are unlikely to find anyone from St John's Ambulance willing to carry it as the villains at Krap Nottarf still have not made good on donations for service rendered years ago! fred the red
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8:03pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





rm.asp?l=1&seaso




n=13
&formtype=&g




amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
The facts are;

First 10 games = 4 points gained, goals conceded 29

Next 10 games = 14 points gained, goals conceded 10

That looks like an improvement to me, and with further investment in this window and the same points to game ratio we should get another 23 points.. 41 points potential?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]The facts are; First 10 games = 4 points gained, goals conceded 29 Next 10 games = 14 points gained, goals conceded 10 That looks like an improvement to me, and with further investment in this window and the same points to game ratio we should get another 23 points.. 41 points potential? SaintMax
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Mon 7 Jan 13

rocketone says...

Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking.
Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad.
We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte .
Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him?
Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.
Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking. Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad. We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte . Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him? Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces. rocketone
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Mon 7 Jan 13

El Santo says...

SaintMax wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..
Not panicking and playing well when the pressure is on comes with experience of good results.
It's human nature to panic when you are in a situation that in your experience ends up as typically going against you (first ten games of the season).
That's why everyone was saying before the Chelsea game, if we lose let's not let it effect our good momentum (Steve Davis)
If the team read this thread they would realise that a large % of the fan base let the Chelsea game effect their confidence in the team, so what hope do they have in playing with confidence and not panicking when the crowds leaving on 85 mins..?
Summarising: we cannot ask the players not to panic if WE are panicking.
So let's keep our cool, OK?
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..[/p][/quote]Not panicking and playing well when the pressure is on comes with experience of good results. It's human nature to panic when you are in a situation that in your experience ends up as typically going against you (first ten games of the season). That's why everyone was saying before the Chelsea game, if we lose let's not let it effect our good momentum (Steve Davis) If the team read this thread they would realise that a large % of the fan base let the Chelsea game effect their confidence in the team, so what hope do they have in playing with confidence and not panicking when the crowds leaving on 85 mins..?[/p][/quote]Summarising: we cannot ask the players not to panic if WE are panicking. So let's keep our cool, OK? El Santo
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Mon 7 Jan 13

El Santo says...

rocketone wrote:
Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking.
Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad.
We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte .
Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him?
Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.
I am quite impressed with Puncheon actually. He seems to have a glove instead of a boot in his left foot!
Although he seems to have a wooden right leg... but, hey, he more than compensates with the left!
It is a good idea to give him some freedom to roam on the left. That's what they did with Figo, for example, to cause confusion in the opposition. You create a 3 to 2 superiority on that side (although you leave the other flank exposed unless you work on that very carefully).
[quote][p][bold]rocketone[/bold] wrote: Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking. Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad. We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte . Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him? Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.[/p][/quote]I am quite impressed with Puncheon actually. He seems to have a glove instead of a boot in his left foot! Although he seems to have a wooden right leg... but, hey, he more than compensates with the left! It is a good idea to give him some freedom to roam on the left. That's what they did with Figo, for example, to cause confusion in the opposition. You create a 3 to 2 superiority on that side (although you leave the other flank exposed unless you work on that very carefully). El Santo
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





rm.asp?l=1&seaso




n=13
&formtype=&g




amescoun
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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so). Velleity
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Mon 7 Jan 13

MGRA says...

Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba






ll.co.uk/analysis/fo






rm.asp?l=1&seaso





n=13
&formtype=&g





amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world.... MGRA
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Mon 7 Jan 13

rocketone says...

What has Gaston's fitness got to do with the stats showing improvement?
What has Gaston's fitness got to do with the stats showing improvement? rocketone
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba







ll.co.uk/analysis/fo







rm.asp?l=1&seaso






n=13
&formtype=&g






amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Yes, the Club definitely got that wrong, it seems they were treating the wrong leg all the time, now can we have your prognosis on Jose Fontes situation, I stil haven't seen any footage of how he injured himself so I am not in any way qualified to say.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Yes, the Club definitely got that wrong, it seems they were treating the wrong leg all the time, now can we have your prognosis on Jose Fontes situation, I stil haven't seen any footage of how he injured himself so I am not in any way qualified to say. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba







ll.co.uk/analysis/fo







rm.asp?l=1&seaso






n=13
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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little. Velleity
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9:17pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

*calm.

Or was I right the first time?
*calm. Or was I right the first time? Velleity
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9:25pm Mon 7 Jan 13

loosehead says...

I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great! But I still feel we need a goalie. Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball? boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it? leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?) that's what we need loosehead
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9:28pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
*calm.

Or was I right the first time?
Stick to calm, we done like fishy connotations.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: *calm. Or was I right the first time?[/p][/quote]Stick to calm, we done like fishy connotations. OSPREYSAINT
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9:31pm Mon 7 Jan 13

angus mc coatup says...

loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need
have you thought about sending your cv to mr cortese.It's all so easy this managing malarky aint It.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great! But I still feel we need a goalie. Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball? boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it? leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?) that's what we need[/p][/quote]have you thought about sending your cv to mr cortese.It's all so easy this managing malarky aint It. angus mc coatup
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9:43pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

rocketone wrote:
What has Gaston's fitness got to do with the stats showing improvement?
It's just another lame excuse to pontificate as if you actually know something.
[quote][p][bold]rocketone[/bold] wrote: What has Gaston's fitness got to do with the stats showing improvement?[/p][/quote]It's just another lame excuse to pontificate as if you actually know something. OSPREYSAINT
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9:46pm Mon 7 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Davide latest press report says we have offered £8m they want £12m, not even close then.
Davide latest press report says we have offered £8m they want £12m, not even close then. OSPREYSAINT
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9:50pm Mon 7 Jan 13

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Davide latest press report says we have offered £8m they want £12m, not even close then.
Time for a horse to lose it's head methinks .
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Davide latest press report says we have offered £8m they want £12m, not even close then.[/p][/quote]Time for a horse to lose it's head methinks . slugger
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9:58pm Mon 7 Jan 13

MGRA says...

Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba








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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little.[/p][/quote]in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world. MGRA
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10:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Velleity says...

I'm being honest here. I really haven't got a clue what point you're making.

I didn't assume anything. All my comments have been about your cast-iron assertion (knowing NOTHING about the injury, the treatment or the assessments going on) that he couldn't possibly play before December. I compare that to the management team and medical team's decision (the guys who DID know the details of the injury, who knew what treatment he's had, who saw scans, who carried out fitness tests, etc,etc, probably ad infinitum) that he could.

I NEVER, not once, called for him to come back early. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to say as, frankly, you're a little incoherent in your last post.

Look; if your being totally wrong makes me somehow have a black-and-white view of something or other in your mind, then that's fine with me. Anything to calm you down.

You've clearly had a bad day. Have a pint, calm down and go to bed.
I'm being honest here. I really haven't got a clue what point you're making. I didn't assume anything. All my comments have been about your cast-iron assertion (knowing NOTHING about the injury, the treatment or the assessments going on) that he couldn't possibly play before December. I compare that to the management team and medical team's decision (the guys who DID know the details of the injury, who knew what treatment he's had, who saw scans, who carried out fitness tests, etc,etc, probably ad infinitum) that he could. I NEVER, not once, called for him to come back early. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to say as, frankly, you're a little incoherent in your last post. Look; if your being totally wrong makes me somehow have a black-and-white view of something or other in your mind, then that's fine with me. Anything to calm you down. You've clearly had a bad day. Have a pint, calm down and go to bed. Velleity
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10:41pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





rm.asp?l=1&seaso




n=13
&formtype=&g




amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
1 point out of 12 would be useful if our competitors at the bottom got 0. It's all relative.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]1 point out of 12 would be useful if our competitors at the bottom got 0. It's all relative. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba









ll.co.uk/analysis/fo









rm.asp?l=1&seaso








n=13
&formtype=&g








amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.
MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little.[/p][/quote]in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.[/p][/quote]MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults? With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well. A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults. Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years. Strasbourg Saint
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11:14pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13 Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13

MGRA says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba










ll.co.uk/analysis/fo










rm.asp?l=1&seaso









n=13
&formtype=&g









amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.
MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.
wakey wakey ,,, you seem to be behind on the insults... or selectively choose to ignore those aimed my way,,, either way I don't care. Fact is those who think Gaston is being "selectively" used are idiots. no offence.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little.[/p][/quote]in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.[/p][/quote]MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults? With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well. A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults. Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.[/p][/quote]wakey wakey ,,, you seem to be behind on the insults... or selectively choose to ignore those aimed my way,,, either way I don't care. Fact is those who think Gaston is being "selectively" used are idiots. no offence. MGRA
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11:37pm Mon 7 Jan 13

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
And a Happy New Year to you too Seed. :-)

STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]And a Happy New Year to you too Seed. :-) STID st1halo
  • Score: 0

11:37pm Mon 7 Jan 13

circa 66 saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss. They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's. Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?. circa 66 saint
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11:40pm Mon 7 Jan 13

slugger says...

............ And my vote for the cheeriest poster of the evening goes to ......... Seedhouse ............. nothing like a touch of skate misery to warm the cockles !
............ And my vote for the cheeriest poster of the evening goes to ......... Seedhouse ............. nothing like a touch of skate misery to warm the cockles ! slugger
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11:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.
The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss. They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's. Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.[/p][/quote]The boring answer to your question is: The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even. The exciting answer to your questions is: hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha 15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:56pm Mon 7 Jan 13

randre says...

SaintMax wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba






ll.co.uk/analysis/fo






rm.asp?l=1&seaso





n=13
&formtype=&g





amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
The facts are;

First 10 games = 4 points gained, goals conceded 29

Next 10 games = 14 points gained, goals conceded 10

That looks like an improvement to me, and with further investment in this window and the same points to game ratio we should get another 23 points.. 41 points potential?
I agree, we have got much better and we have played some good football.

Forget Chelsea, I would rather suffer a result like that in the cup and play to our best in the league. We have done ok recently.

Not many teams get points against stoke away, arsenal at home was a good point. The only result that should have Been better recently was against Sunderland. But these things happen.

Overall the stats show that we have improved and that is evident from our performances.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]The facts are; First 10 games = 4 points gained, goals conceded 29 Next 10 games = 14 points gained, goals conceded 10 That looks like an improvement to me, and with further investment in this window and the same points to game ratio we should get another 23 points.. 41 points potential?[/p][/quote]I agree, we have got much better and we have played some good football. Forget Chelsea, I would rather suffer a result like that in the cup and play to our best in the league. We have done ok recently. Not many teams get points against stoke away, arsenal at home was a good point. The only result that should have Been better recently was against Sunderland. But these things happen. Overall the stats show that we have improved and that is evident from our performances. randre
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12:08am Tue 8 Jan 13

circa 66 saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.
The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.
Ain't high finance great fun.

JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING

ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss. They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's. Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.[/p][/quote]The boring answer to your question is: The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even. The exciting answer to your questions is: hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha 15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.[/p][/quote]Ain't high finance great fun. JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks . circa 66 saint
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12:17am Tue 8 Jan 13

slugger says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.
The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.
Ain't high finance great fun.

JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING

ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .
There's a place in Wales where you can buy assault rifles according to the Sun ............. not advocating their use ..... just sayin .
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss. They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's. Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.[/p][/quote]The boring answer to your question is: The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even. The exciting answer to your questions is: hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha 15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.[/p][/quote]Ain't high finance great fun. JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .[/p][/quote]There's a place in Wales where you can buy assault rifles according to the Sun ............. not advocating their use ..... just sayin . slugger
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12:23am Tue 8 Jan 13

circa 66 saint says...

Thanks slugger but in these difficult times i think the environmental solution with the bricks would be the best option.

Not only that have you tried slamming two assault rifles together?.
Thanks slugger but in these difficult times i think the environmental solution with the bricks would be the best option. Not only that have you tried slamming two assault rifles together?. circa 66 saint
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12:26am Tue 8 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13
1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.
The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.
Ain't high finance great fun.

JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING

ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .
I suppose it depends on your given skunt. A half decent one like FewDeadandInBreed should be a gentle wiff of gas followed by a hard brick. Obviously Kent would take a lot longer.....
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally: '-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-' Oh dear.... 15.1.13[/p][/quote]1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss. They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's. Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.[/p][/quote]The boring answer to your question is: The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even. The exciting answer to your questions is: hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha 15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.[/p][/quote]Ain't high finance great fun. JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .[/p][/quote]I suppose it depends on your given skunt. A half decent one like FewDeadandInBreed should be a gentle wiff of gas followed by a hard brick. Obviously Kent would take a lot longer..... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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12:31am Tue 8 Jan 13

circa 66 saint says...

Don't agree entirely kunt has no balls anyway.
Don't agree entirely kunt has no balls anyway. circa 66 saint
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12:38am Tue 8 Jan 13

slugger says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
Thanks slugger but in these difficult times i think the environmental solution with the bricks would be the best option.

Not only that have you tried slamming two assault rifles together?.
As a "gas safe" registered installer i can tell you that natural gas is non toxic ............. i do know how to produce carbon monoxide though ..... that'll do it .
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: Thanks slugger but in these difficult times i think the environmental solution with the bricks would be the best option. Not only that have you tried slamming two assault rifles together?.[/p][/quote]As a "gas safe" registered installer i can tell you that natural gas is non toxic ............. i do know how to produce carbon monoxide though ..... that'll do it . slugger
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5:35am Tue 8 Jan 13

Oldfan says...

There is a clear weakness from top to bottom of Premiership nous and although Saints continue on a learning curve that will become even steeper after January.

The "first team" is now just about coping but we do not have sufficient strength in depth part of which is due to two quick promotions but also down to a weak buying policy. I do not think that this transfer window will resolve this and it will be a big gamble to rely on being injury free for the rest of the season.
There is a clear weakness from top to bottom of Premiership nous and although Saints continue on a learning curve that will become even steeper after January. The "first team" is now just about coping but we do not have sufficient strength in depth part of which is due to two quick promotions but also down to a weak buying policy. I do not think that this transfer window will resolve this and it will be a big gamble to rely on being injury free for the rest of the season. Oldfan
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7:15am Tue 8 Jan 13

Velleity says...

Oldfan wrote:
There is a clear weakness from top to bottom of Premiership nous and although Saints continue on a learning curve that will become even steeper after January.

The "first team" is now just about coping but we do not have sufficient strength in depth part of which is due to two quick promotions but also down to a weak buying policy. I do not think that this transfer window will resolve this and it will be a big gamble to rely on being injury free for the rest of the season.
Not sure I agree that it's due to a "weak buying policy" but we're certainly lacking strength in depth.

I've always believed that seasons are made and lost in January/February as injuries start to pile up. I also believe that NA and the rest of the management team may have noticed and will be trying their best to do something about it.
[quote][p][bold]Oldfan[/bold] wrote: There is a clear weakness from top to bottom of Premiership nous and although Saints continue on a learning curve that will become even steeper after January. The "first team" is now just about coping but we do not have sufficient strength in depth part of which is due to two quick promotions but also down to a weak buying policy. I do not think that this transfer window will resolve this and it will be a big gamble to rely on being injury free for the rest of the season.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree that it's due to a "weak buying policy" but we're certainly lacking strength in depth. I've always believed that seasons are made and lost in January/February as injuries start to pile up. I also believe that NA and the rest of the management team may have noticed and will be trying their best to do something about it. Velleity
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7:21am Tue 8 Jan 13

Velleity says...

loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need
I know you don't go to games as a rugby fan, so on TV you may have missed a couple of playmakers in Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez. They are really rather good.

"Is Schmeichel available"? Everyone is for the right cash. Bid enough and we can get Petr Cech.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great! But I still feel we need a goalie. Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball? boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it? leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?) that's what we need[/p][/quote]I know you don't go to games as a rugby fan, so on TV you may have missed a couple of playmakers in Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez. They are really rather good. "Is Schmeichel available"? Everyone is for the right cash. Bid enough and we can get Petr Cech. Velleity
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8:10am Tue 8 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.
MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.
wakey wakey ,,, you seem to be behind on the insults... or selectively choose to ignore those aimed my way,,, either way I don't care. Fact is those who think Gaston is being "selectively" used are idiots. no offence.
How is calling people idiots because they hold a different view to you not offensive?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little.[/p][/quote]in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.[/p][/quote]MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults? With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well. A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults. Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.[/p][/quote]wakey wakey ,,, you seem to be behind on the insults... or selectively choose to ignore those aimed my way,,, either way I don't care. Fact is those who think Gaston is being "selectively" used are idiots. no offence.[/p][/quote]How is calling people idiots because they hold a different view to you not offensive? OSPREYSAINT
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8:21am Tue 8 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...
Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!
And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.
Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.
What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.
The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.
Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).
what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....
Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.
in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.
MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.
To be honest my direct response is no different to posts quoting numbers leading up to doomsday, in any case we found out last night that kent has no standards, likes dwarf fiddling and cross dressing, not a bad nights work in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan. Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...[/p][/quote]Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax. http://weekendfootba ll.co.uk/analysis/fo rm.asp?l=1&seaso n=13 &formtype=&g amescoun t=10 Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game. Get a grip![/p][/quote]And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is: Joint first on nine goals conceded. Chelsea Man City And on ten goals conceded? Southampton! So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division. Calm down, ladies.[/p][/quote]Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.[/p][/quote]What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual. In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams. Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false. That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.[/p][/quote]The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check... I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.[/p][/quote]Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here. It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful. I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).[/p][/quote]what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....[/p][/quote]Wow! So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then. You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing. You really should clam down a little.[/p][/quote]in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.[/p][/quote]MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults? With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well. A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults. Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.[/p][/quote]To be honest my direct response is no different to posts quoting numbers leading up to doomsday, in any case we found out last night that kent has no standards, likes dwarf fiddling and cross dressing, not a bad nights work in my opinion. OSPREYSAINT
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8:49am Tue 8 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Velleity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need
I know you don't go to games as a rugby fan, so on TV you may have missed a couple of playmakers in Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez. They are really rather good.

"Is Schmeichel available"? Everyone is for the right cash. Bid enough and we can get Petr Cech.
Thank You for not being sarcastic as a previous post.
Yes I love Rugby & the only football I watch is the Saints.
But ask yourself this if those two are so good in midfield why is it they all seem to try & take it on themselves instead of giving it to those two?
Is it a lack of confidence in them or is this the way Adkins wants them to play?
I loved watching the old Brasil of the past ( spelt it there way not Yankee way)one touch football letting the ball do the moving & running & making space to be past to.
we seem to be running with the ball not letting the ball do the work.
As I have watched a few we've given away to many home goals ( not Guly) & our defence is rubbish 3-1 up & we draw ?
please tell me is this through a weak defence or the managers substitutions?
I've seen it in Rugby where your walking it but have to give the subs a game so replace 5 players & wow you lose to a side you were hammering
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great! But I still feel we need a goalie. Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball? boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it? leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?) that's what we need[/p][/quote]I know you don't go to games as a rugby fan, so on TV you may have missed a couple of playmakers in Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez. They are really rather good. "Is Schmeichel available"? Everyone is for the right cash. Bid enough and we can get Petr Cech.[/p][/quote]Thank You for not being sarcastic as a previous post. Yes I love Rugby & the only football I watch is the Saints. But ask yourself this if those two are so good in midfield why is it they all seem to try & take it on themselves instead of giving it to those two? Is it a lack of confidence in them or is this the way Adkins wants them to play? I loved watching the old Brasil of the past ( spelt it there way not Yankee way)one touch football letting the ball do the moving & running & making space to be past to. we seem to be running with the ball not letting the ball do the work. As I have watched a few we've given away to many home goals ( not Guly) & our defence is rubbish 3-1 up & we draw ? please tell me is this through a weak defence or the managers substitutions? I've seen it in Rugby where your walking it but have to give the subs a game so replace 5 players & wow you lose to a side you were hammering loosehead
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11:52am Tue 8 Jan 13

Velleity says...

You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't. "Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts. Velleity
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12:37pm Tue 8 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.
so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't. "Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.[/p][/quote]so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians loosehead
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12:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Beer Monster says...

El Santo wrote:
rocketone wrote:
Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking.
Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad.
We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte .
Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him?
Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.
I am quite impressed with Puncheon actually. He seems to have a glove instead of a boot in his left foot!
Although he seems to have a wooden right leg... but, hey, he more than compensates with the left!
It is a good idea to give him some freedom to roam on the left. That's what they did with Figo, for example, to cause confusion in the opposition. You create a 3 to 2 superiority on that side (although you leave the other flank exposed unless you work on that very carefully).
Agree with rocketone on the loan front - we don't want to inflate the wage bill too much going into next season, look at what it's done to our friends down the road.

A CB who has some physical presence a la Roy Keane and a holding midfielder would suit me fine. It may sound suicidal, but I'd be more than happy sticking with Gazza in goal. He needs first team action and if, as NA has stipulated, we aren't getting another goalie in, then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rocketone[/bold] wrote: Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking. Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad. We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte . Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him? Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.[/p][/quote]I am quite impressed with Puncheon actually. He seems to have a glove instead of a boot in his left foot! Although he seems to have a wooden right leg... but, hey, he more than compensates with the left! It is a good idea to give him some freedom to roam on the left. That's what they did with Figo, for example, to cause confusion in the opposition. You create a 3 to 2 superiority on that side (although you leave the other flank exposed unless you work on that very carefully).[/p][/quote]Agree with rocketone on the loan front - we don't want to inflate the wage bill too much going into next season, look at what it's done to our friends down the road. A CB who has some physical presence a la Roy Keane and a holding midfielder would suit me fine. It may sound suicidal, but I'd be more than happy sticking with Gazza in goal. He needs first team action and if, as NA has stipulated, we aren't getting another goalie in, then so be it. Beer Monster
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5:15pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Velleity says...

loosehead wrote:
Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.
so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians
"3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? " No, but conceding ten goals in our last ten games (third best in the league) is the sign of a good defence.

"Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? "- You weren't there, so I'll clarify what happened. Arsenal had a free kick from the left wing just outside the penalty area. Are you seriously suggesting Guly shouldn't have been back for it? Really, you'd rather he was standing up front and not defending? He lunged for a ball that would have fallen at the feet of an Arsenal player and gone in. The ball could easily have missed the goal but didn't. Even the Guly haters admitted it was just bad luck.

" I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence"

You're commenting on single moments from games on TV highlights shows as though they reflect the overall performance of our team. Which, I remind you, is third best in the division over the past ten games. Did I mention that?

"I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians"

Artur Boruc is the current goalkeeper.


"yes I prefer Rugby ". My advice: Stick to it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't. "Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.[/p][/quote]so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians[/p][/quote]"3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? " No, but conceding ten goals in our last ten games (third best in the league) is the sign of a good defence. "Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? "- You weren't there, so I'll clarify what happened. Arsenal had a free kick from the left wing just outside the penalty area. Are you seriously suggesting Guly shouldn't have been back for it? Really, you'd rather he was standing up front and not defending? He lunged for a ball that would have fallen at the feet of an Arsenal player and gone in. The ball could easily have missed the goal but didn't. Even the Guly haters admitted it was just bad luck. " I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence" You're commenting on single moments from games on TV highlights shows as though they reflect the overall performance of our team. Which, I remind you, is third best in the division over the past ten games. Did I mention that? "I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians" Artur Boruc is the current goalkeeper. "yes I prefer Rugby ". My advice: Stick to it. Velleity
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8:11pm Tue 8 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Velleity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.
so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians
"3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? " No, but conceding ten goals in our last ten games (third best in the league) is the sign of a good defence.

"Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? "- You weren't there, so I'll clarify what happened. Arsenal had a free kick from the left wing just outside the penalty area. Are you seriously suggesting Guly shouldn't have been back for it? Really, you'd rather he was standing up front and not defending? He lunged for a ball that would have fallen at the feet of an Arsenal player and gone in. The ball could easily have missed the goal but didn't. Even the Guly haters admitted it was just bad luck.

" I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence"

You're commenting on single moments from games on TV highlights shows as though they reflect the overall performance of our team. Which, I remind you, is third best in the division over the past ten games. Did I mention that?

"I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians"

Artur Boruc is the current goalkeeper.


"yes I prefer Rugby ". My advice: Stick to it.
Your comments to my posts show me why I prefer Rugby fans & the game to the so called beautiful game.
Football fans have a self believe & even if it's staring them in the face they will stick to what they believe is right & not see the real picture.
I watched a whole game yes a whole game last season I said then the goalie ( davies) was not good enough I also said the defence wasn't up to it & we'd have real problems in the Premiership.
our management has bought more attacking players but not paid an awful lot of attention to that defence.
Unlike many so called fans since 1976 I went every where with Saints before we got relegated & then in our away trips in the second division.
I had friends who went to every away & home game as did I yet come the FA Cup they couldn't get a ticket then the year after couldn't get a season ticket so true fans lost & bandwagon jumpers took they're places so please don't give me that rubbish.
I joint the TA & one day went to watch the Saints versus Chelsea & I saw what sports fans were about & I've never been back oh! went to the Zenith Data Cup.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't. "Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.[/p][/quote]so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians[/p][/quote]"3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? " No, but conceding ten goals in our last ten games (third best in the league) is the sign of a good defence. "Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? "- You weren't there, so I'll clarify what happened. Arsenal had a free kick from the left wing just outside the penalty area. Are you seriously suggesting Guly shouldn't have been back for it? Really, you'd rather he was standing up front and not defending? He lunged for a ball that would have fallen at the feet of an Arsenal player and gone in. The ball could easily have missed the goal but didn't. Even the Guly haters admitted it was just bad luck. " I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence" You're commenting on single moments from games on TV highlights shows as though they reflect the overall performance of our team. Which, I remind you, is third best in the division over the past ten games. Did I mention that? "I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians" Artur Boruc is the current goalkeeper. "yes I prefer Rugby ". My advice: Stick to it.[/p][/quote]Your comments to my posts show me why I prefer Rugby fans & the game to the so called beautiful game. Football fans have a self believe & even if it's staring them in the face they will stick to what they believe is right & not see the real picture. I watched a whole game yes a whole game last season I said then the goalie ( davies) was not good enough I also said the defence wasn't up to it & we'd have real problems in the Premiership. our management has bought more attacking players but not paid an awful lot of attention to that defence. Unlike many so called fans since 1976 I went every where with Saints before we got relegated & then in our away trips in the second division. I had friends who went to every away & home game as did I yet come the FA Cup they couldn't get a ticket then the year after couldn't get a season ticket so true fans lost & bandwagon jumpers took they're places so please don't give me that rubbish. I joint the TA & one day went to watch the Saints versus Chelsea & I saw what sports fans were about & I've never been back oh! went to the Zenith Data Cup. loosehead
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