Fonte injury puts pressure on Saints (From Daily Echo)

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

SaintMax wrote:
We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October?
In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March?
We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
EIGHT

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
EIGHT

kent141 wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0

kent141 wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0

saintand266 wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

Reminds me a bit of the Gaston deal

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

SaintMax wrote:
We aren't going to buy more than two players IMO and probably only one. It would take too long to gel them into a workable team. Look how many weeks it took for us to get firing in August, not til late October?
In which case can we afford for everything to start to click around March?
We will buy or loan a CB I think.. And that's it and even then if we don't get the Italian perhaps nobody..

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

kent141 wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

Clever Dick wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.

kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)

SaintMax wrote:

Clever Dick wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

Do you think we would take £5 M for Shaw. I think with NC around to negotiate with they wouldn't get him for double that.

£5m is an absurdly low figure for a player with such potential at such a young age. Its also just paper talk.

SaintJD wrote:

kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)

Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.

warrens 76 wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)

Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.

Not good to be a sniper coward either.

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.

st1halo wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.

Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID

SaintMax wrote:
..'Dont be one then numbnuts..' See, thats what you are dealing with? Dont bight and the troll will lose interest. He will be saying his Dad could beat your Dad next.

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

St Retford wrote:
If we can sign a top class centre back (ie this lad from Italy) then that'll do for me in this window and would give us enough to stay up. Anything else is a bonus.

right back in the bar wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr


ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.

st1halo wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.

Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID

oldsaintsfan wrote:

st1halo wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.

Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID

I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.

tugboat wrote:

right back in the bar wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr



ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

Agreed the overall squad is not strong enough - there is not enough quality in depth to really test the preferred 11 so while things look good and work out in training it doesn't necessarily happen that way on match day. I think the way we have gone about blowing big sums money is negligent. Someone on these pages spelt it out: 7m for Ba /7m for JRod - there is no comparison in terms of value although wages come in to it as well of course. That said Ramirez who still has a lot to prove in my view came at a high price and allegedly high wages. I hope we don't go and blow double figure millions on Astori we should be looking to bring 3 or 4 good pros proven at premisrehip level don't ask my who I don't know but more worryingly I don't think the management/coaching team know either.

good couple of posts, On warrens 76 point about players taking too long on the ball,I always believed it was possible to make a player pass with the movement off the ball by others,draw the pass out.
Another point that alarms me is we came up to the prem,albeit earlier than expected ,with some players that were considered by someone at the club as being of prem standard and they blatantly werent,and you have to include some that we paid good money for. That worries me when we now go scouting for players,is the same standard of judgement being used.
No doubt astori is a great player but will he settle into the prem immediately,because thats what we need surely.
On the keeper front,OMG,if ever there was a way of unsettling a back four ,its keep changing the keeper. That could be NA,s downfall if he,s not careful.We have to stick with someone,Boruc comes from the grobbelar school of goalkeeping,sometime

s brilliant ,other times will leave you speechless,kelvin cant seem to get the luck in the prem his loyalty deserves and gazza ,neeeds to play regularly somewhere to get the experience to help him become the great keeper he will be,but this is not here and now.
For me this is our biggest issue and has been since we came up.
I hope it gets sorted somehow.

kent141 wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

kent141 wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Liverpool or saints ...hmmmmm hard choice for the lad to make ;0

if he wants to play with a cheat like suarez then he will chose liverpool.their manager brendan rogers post match interview yesterday was even more pathetic than NA's on saturday.trying to defend the indefencible.

mbetts wrote:
Southampton are ready to boost their survival bid with a £10m offer for Inter Milan youngster Philippe Coutinho, according to sources in Italy.
The newly-promoted side, who currently sit one place above 18th-placed Aston Villa by virtue of their goal difference, raided Serie A back in the summer when they signed Gaston Ramirez from Bologna.
And now manager Nigel Adkins has targeted Coutinho, who has become a peripheral figure at the San Siro this season, having managed just three league starts.
The promising Brazilian midfielder was hailed as a future star when he made his Inter debut in 2010, but the club are now considering selling him in order to fund bids for other players.
Southampton will face competition for his signature though, as Aston Villa are also tracking him.

We don't need another £10m midfielder, a £10m centreback or keeper.

SaintMax wrote:

oldsaintsfan wrote:

st1halo wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Can't help thinking we've been going for the wrong type of player of late - spending too much time on players with too big a profile or ego or agent.

Maya was a good deal - quick, no messing around, good enough quality.

Butner and Ramirez took an age and all the time you get the impression the agent is stalling it waiting for others to come in.

Astori linked with Liverpool today.

Personally, I'd prefer three quality defensive signings who don't muck us about and cost a little less. Deals that could be completed easily because the player sees Saints as a massive opportunity and wants to come, with the money or whether they could do better not being in question.

Think we could do worse than getting Flanaghan or Kelly on loan from Liverpool with a view to permanent deals.

Can see this being a good route for Saints. Has worked with Cork. Big teams steal our kids, we steal quality kids who don't get a chance at big clubs and make them into the players they could be.

Like your thinking JD and agree. Kelly is well worth a punt imo. Saints need to be more astute in the market place. Last summer I was saying we should have brought Bridgey in and maybe Kevin Davies for some prem experience and warrior attitude, we have managed to get some good deals like Clyne but have also paid well over the odds in some cases, comparisons are easy to make-
Ba - 7m, Jay Rod 7m
Sturridge - 12m, Berbatov - 5m, Gaston - 12m
Time to get realistic in the market place, your philosophy is a good way forward, Cork being a good example


STID

I would gess the 7m quoted for Ba does not reflect the full cost - I am sure the player pocketed an additional tidy sum if his agent was doing his job! I am sure Ba's agent had this in mind (the 7m release clause) when the original move to N'castle was done.

very true. You cant compare Rodriguez for £7m and Ba for £7m just cos Ba scored 2 on against us makes him a better deal!..

SaintMax wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages.
They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost.
They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.

St Retford wrote:

right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.

Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.

right back in the bar wrote:

St Retford wrote:

right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.

Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.

Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.

El Santo wrote:

right back in the bar wrote:

St Retford wrote:

right back in the bar wrote:
with all this talk of raiding Serie A for players clearly it is Cortese's network that holds sway. Likely then that we will spend big and not necessarily on the players we really need. Did we really need to spend all that money on GR when we already have a superb number 10 (I think the fact we play two number 10s when AL is fit narrows are game when we could do with more width or a true wide player as an outlet). But in truth you cannot blame Cortese for getting involved - most of Nigel's signings either won't make it or need more time which we don't have.

Surely it makes sense to be plundering Serie A, given most teams in it are in the financial poop and therefore in need of a quick sale or two? It's a buyer's market over there right now.

Sure - as long as they are the right players. Italian footballers are ace especially, and usually, defenders from that league. Its one of the first things thats drilled over there you have to defend and everything starts from the back.

Agree although I have to say that they are used to defending in a completely different game; 11 behind the goalkeeper and they only see an attacker of the other team when they coincide in the midfield, asking for some water or isotonic beverage.

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

El Santo wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Good point! And, remember, Arsenal destroyed us, even worse 6-1, and then when we played against them again, we actually OUTFOOTBALLED them.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintand266 wrote:
Just heard that Liverpool are interested in the italian centre back and have offered 7 million , be interested to see what comes of that

Lots of tweeting going on, mostly B/S, it has also been reported we offered £9.5m but another says he couldn't agree personal terms. The truth will come out eventually, the only ones that know the truth ain't telling.

Ive read that we have agreed personal terms with him but his team are holding out for £12m - Queue Nicola.
Would be a timely singing, but if NC keeps going back and forth trying to nail that last few £100k then we may not wrap the deal up til the end of Jan..

When you say trying to nail the last few £100k but also say holding out for £12m that doesn't really add up does it? Trying to nail the last few million would be more accurate. Personally I'm glad we have a chairman who won't pay silly prices.

I know nothing about this player but £12m sounds an awful lot. To put it in perspective Chelsea paid £7m for Ba and Arsenal are reportedly lining up a £5m bid for Shaw.

If you know noting about him how can you determine how much he is worth? he has two full international caps, only 25, already has a reputation of being a solid but technically capable player and wont expect English premier league wages.
They also know we need a quality defender which are few and far between in the Jan window - that adds to their barganing power and the cost.
They wont be negotiating about millions at this stage, it will £100k .. in my opinion.

I'm not saying he isn't worth £12m, I have no idea, all I'm saying is we need to be sure if we are to pay that much. I think Gaston is brilliant but we paid full price for him. Some are questioning Jay Rod at £7m. If we pay £12m for a CB we need to make sure that everyone is saying what a good buy he was a few months later.

Rickie at £1m, Cork at £750k, Clyne at £1.8m? sort of puts it into perspective.

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

SaintJD wrote:
Here is some food for thought relating to our opposition last weekend.

According to Sky Sports, below is the list of strikers our opposition has spent nearly £200 million on in recent years.

Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Drogba, Kalou, Sahar, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Anelka, De Santo, Sturridge, Torres, Lukaku


I make that a 1 in 13 success rate (although Anelka did OKish). Truly amazing.

When we analyse our team, let's just consider what we are up against in this league - it's no League 1.

It's also why we need to strengthen our back four further.

Clearly our games against Chelsea won't determine whether we stay up or not, but it is still frightening spending power.

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba

ll.co.uk/analysis/fo

rm.asp?l=1&seaso
n=13
&formtype=&g
amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

batesieboy wrote:
"...watch him on the touchline..." Seed you gotta be joking!! Mr. Adkins sat in the dugout like a frightened rabbit all through the second half when the team most needed a bit of support, guidance and leadership on Saturday. That disgusted me.

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Totally off thread, but I've just read a post from Saintsayer on the Yoursay site.
Hopefully good news for him...he says he has a lot to catch up on!

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba


ll.co.uk/analysis/fo


rm.asp?l=1&seaso

n=13
&formtype=&g

amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba


ll.co.uk/analysis/fo


rm.asp?l=1&seaso

n=13
&formtype=&g

amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We do need to pass the ball quicker. If you listen to Nigel's interviews and watch him on the touchline I think you will find he is saying exactly the same thing.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

kent141 wrote:
Nigel will prove his worth in the transfer market..The orange one has a eye for a bargain as well..Ramirez £12m, i dont think another manager could have pulled that deal off.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...

Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...

Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.

Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...

Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.

Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.

Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

st bevois wrote:

El Santo wrote:

Hobson82 wrote:

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I think the question is do we go to town and buy 2 or 3 quality players and still risk going down after the amount spent or just get a defender in and try and limit the spending. Look at QPR for example trying to get 6 players in... Massive risk if they do that and then go down ! Thoughts?

Chelsea were different class in the second half, everything clicked for them and as much as it hurts to say this it was men against boys. I think it shows how far off our squad is in terms of competing at this level.
Personally I think we need 2 solid centre backs, a midfield general, a pacey winger and a proven finisher, oh and I forgot about a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. Trouble is as you rightly pointed out Sally, it could prove disruptive to buy too many players half way through the season. If it was me and I had the money I would risk it and buy at least 3 quality players.

Sorry, Hobson, but this is unfair to the guys. A 5-1 defeat in a non- transcendent match for us (but quite important for them) is no good way of measuring their ability to compete. I think that our A-team is quite good and should be able to handle Chelsea in the PL next week.
On the bright side, Benitez must think that we a re a load of rubbish and might be less cautious. Also, Demba Ba won't play for Newcastle anymore, which will weaken them and might leave them to fight for relegation. The more candidates for relegation, the merrier.
We do need a CB and a Goalkeeper, but I would not risk it beyond that.

I said to my son on Saturday that I hadn't seen Chelsea attack down the flanks so much all season. Not straight away of course, our game plan seemed to be working, but looking at the highlights later Chelsea seemed to suss our formation out and its weakness. They started attacking the fullbacks, especially Cork with 2 or 3 at a time, either with an overlap or 3 man triangles, by-passed the fullback and the others moved quickly up to give the man with the ball options. We didn't deal with that at all and the midfield were chasing shadows. Have to agree with Warren, we are a team and a manager that seem to bottle it when under pressure, not just the Prem - the Championship itself and key games there. Also agree that we haven't picked up as many points as we should have over the last half dozen games. Many on here pointed this out to be our Nirvana period when we would come good and rise up the table. But we need to gain at least the same number of points as we have now from the remainder (with 2 games less in which to do it) to be statistically in a chance of staying up.
To say that some of our players are knackered just doesn't add up to me. Hardly any of them played in the pathetic League Cup run; they have had two times two-week breaks in the first half of this season already and I see from NA's comments today that he is already suggesting that he is planning some sunshine breaks for the two enforced breaks now due to the FA Cup fixtures. As the Chelsea poster stated on Saturday they have played about 10 games more than us and looked far fresher. As for Luke Shaw and am sure he can handle it - Gareth Bale and Theo did for us with far more pressure on them to carry the team almost single handed in the past.
AV is now a must win game and so are some of the forthcoming others away from home. AV are playing for Wembley this week and are in the next round of the Cup, sometimes success breeds success and - well let's hope these distractions play into our hands and don't make them more effective. We haven't won in 6, since Reading and we need to gain some momentum, especially after a home tonking. The bottom half of the table is still tight but we need more performances like Arsenal and a lot +less negative last 15 minutes by NA. Stoke was shocking IMO. Bringing on 2 full backs and retaining 3 centre-halves against 2 strikers left a flat back 5 and invited 10 men to attack, which they did. Taking of Pucheon (again) who was our best outlet for retaining possession and running the channels played into Stoke's hand. We effectively gave up the extra man with the flat back 5, gave up possession and gave up territory. As for the last goal - yes it was a cracker but Jos only half challenged Crouch and if he had followed through he might well have blocked Jerome too. Swansea, Norwich and Sunderland players came to us and put themselves on the line defensively. We need more of that. Interesting difference in attitudes afterwards too, Tony Pullis didn't see it as a fantastic point gained, coming from 2 down. He thought we were there for the taking and also berated KJ for missing a great early opportunity stating that you can't afford to miss chances like that in the Prem. Unfortunately we did miss an opportunity like that and I am not having a go at Guly but our own £7 million man was clean through one on one and failed. We don't need more of that, but more finishes like Saturday's goal. I hope the Gaston issue is genuine, but although he didn't throw a tantrum in the Arsenal game he did not look best pleased at being pulled off late. NA needs to pull it together and quick. More positive actions and less negative. IMO!

Looked like Ramirez was smiling at being pulled off...

Go away.

Have you got your miserable head on osprey.... im sure seed will cheer you up very shortly ...

Yes mate, feeling grumpy today, (not the dwarf!), have to take it out on someone, you will do.

Its monday evening so its J7s night with the dwarf ....frock wearing weirdos night in J7s basement, thought he would have invited you osprey.

Despite rumours to the contrary, I do have standards.

Well i may pop along as i dont have any standards, hope slugger and warren are there....im sure seed is too busy on the Pompey site telling porkies ....Ta Ta

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr

ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba



ll.co.uk/analysis/fo



rm.asp?l=1&seaso


n=13
&formtype=&g


amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..

saintlysoul wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
I have no doubt that on the training ground we flatter to deceive, based on what NA see's in the week forms his team selection...
However we are useless and I mean useless under pressure.....
1) we pass the ball back and can be see to be panicking as it gets nearer the keeper.
2) We abandon the passing game and lose ever increasing possession...until we are under the cosh..
3) We stop moving and leave ourselves no passing options....

We do not move off the ball quick enough anyway but add this too inreasing loss of possession and almost every game begins to look the same.....

It is not a single players fault, much as Guly does not impress me all off them start to panic when teams close us down and move the ball around.

I have said it before our players need to decide what they are going to do before they receive the ball....

...on too many occassions Saints remind me of England...stop,contr


ol, think anbout it..by then my grandma whose dead would have all my options marked...

We have to speed up and toughen up.

I was watching the game on Saturday and have just watched the highlights on Saints Player. The points raised by Warrens are well made. What I find frustrating is how we don't utilise a central midfielder to distribute the ball, a playmaker in the style of Scholes. JWP is best in the centre of midfield. If you watch him he is constantly moving and scanning a la Lampard and moving in to space. Despite his movement no one seems to pass to him!

Against Chelsea when JWP was in space players such as Davis and Puncheon decided to 'go alone'. They pass to a player who is not in space or a player who has a man on thus putting the team under pressure and inevitably losing possession. This is disappointing from 'senior'' players. De Ridder is another culprit- head down and try to beat everyone.

When you watch Chelsea they pass the ball at a high tempo and their movement is excellent. This is what Saints need to start doing - if nothing else lets get the tempo increased.

I think JWP will do a good job in a 'Scholes' role I've seen him play that role at under 18, under 21 and for England under 19s.

Shaw seem to struggle on Saturday not surprising bearing in mind the number of games he's played recently!!! He was caught out of position for a couple of the goals and was nut megged again on another. He needs a rest but probably won't get one due to there being no one to replace him.

The team need to up the tempo keep their heads up and certain players need reminding that it is a team game!!!!

warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba




ll.co.uk/analysis/fo




rm.asp?l=1&seaso



n=13
&formtype=&g



amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

SaintJD wrote:

kent141 wrote:
The orange one says " its not good when someone is stetchered off "
Well i never ... ;0)

Dear Kent. Or should we start to call you 'the red faced one' after every defeat, court case or training ground closure?

At least it will never happen at Pompey - you can't afford the stretcher.

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





rm.asp?l=1&seaso




n=13
&formtype=&g




amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
Tempo, possession, speed when we have the opportunity and whatever they do stop panicking..it truly is horrible to see a team that starts of looking skilful and promising descending into panic stricken schoolboys the moment the pressure is on....everyone can look good in a friendly (except England) but it is under pressure that your true quality has to show..

Not panicking and playing well when the pressure is on comes with experience of good results.
It's human nature to panic when you are in a situation that in your experience ends up as typically going against you (first ten games of the season).
That's why everyone was saying before the Chelsea game, if we lose let's not let it effect our good momentum (Steve Davis)
If the team read this thread they would realise that a large % of the fan base let the Chelsea game effect their confidence in the team, so what hope do they have in playing with confidence and not panicking when the crowds leaving on 85 mins..?

rocketone wrote:
Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking.
Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad.
We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte .
Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him?
Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba






ll.co.uk/analysis/fo






rm.asp?l=1&seaso





n=13
&formtype=&g





amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba







ll.co.uk/analysis/fo







rm.asp?l=1&seaso






n=13
&formtype=&g






amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba







ll.co.uk/analysis/fo







rm.asp?l=1&seaso






n=13
&formtype=&g






amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Velleity wrote:
*calm.

Or was I right the first time?

loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need

rocketone wrote:
What has Gaston's fitness got to do with the stats showing improvement?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Davide latest press report says we have offered £8m they want £12m, not even close then.

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba








ll.co.uk/analysis/fo








rm.asp?l=1&seaso







n=13
&formtype=&g







amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba





ll.co.uk/analysis/fo





rm.asp?l=1&seaso




n=13
&formtype=&g




amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba









ll.co.uk/analysis/fo









rm.asp?l=1&seaso








n=13
&formtype=&g








amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.

in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba










ll.co.uk/analysis/fo










rm.asp?l=1&seaso









n=13
&formtype=&g









amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.

in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.

MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

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Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

The facts are;

First 10 games = 4 points gained, goals conceded 29

Next 10 games = 14 points gained, goals conceded 10

That looks like an improvement to me, and with further investment in this window and the same points to game ratio we should get another 23 points.. 41 points potential?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.

The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.

The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.

Ain't high finance great fun.

JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING

ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
To be fair to the skunts they have woken up to reality - finally:

'-Today is another sorry day in the life of PFC. The training ground, key senior players off (even though they were crap most of the time). The ambition of the Trust is clear for all to see. Cut costs now, we're going down . Not got a clue if or when the club will be liquidated. Only 1000 pledges converted. HNW people clearly funding the losses. And fans making threats against each other. and our chief sports writer just laughs while PFC dies-'


Oh dear....




15.1.13

1 question how can a business in administration carry on trading at a loss.
They are being subsidised to the tune of £1,000,000 over a 3 month period by the H.N.W's.
Trading while insolvent is surely not legal?.

The boring answer to your question is:

The Administrator can trade a business on providing he doesn't worsen the position of the creditors. PFC are obviously still running at a loss so no matter what the cash position is he can't continue by law - unless someone (HNW individuals there) cover that loss thereby keeping the position for the creditors even.


The exciting answer to your questions is:

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
15.1.13 Skunt fucktard fall.

Ain't high finance great fun.

JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING

ps with the bricks and gas do we use the gas before or after the bricks .

circa 66 saint wrote:
Thanks slugger but in these difficult times i think the environmental solution with the bricks would be the best option.

Not only that have you tried slamming two assault rifles together?.

Oldfan wrote:
There is a clear weakness from top to bottom of Premiership nous and although Saints continue on a learning curve that will become even steeper after January.

The "first team" is now just about coping but we do not have sufficient strength in depth part of which is due to two quick promotions but also down to a weak buying policy. I do not think that this transfer window will resolve this and it will be a big gamble to rely on being injury free for the rest of the season.

loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need

MGRA wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba











ll.co.uk/analysis/fo











rm.asp?l=1&seaso










n=13
&formtype=&g










amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.

in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.

MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.

wakey wakey ,,, you seem to be behind on the insults... or selectively choose to ignore those aimed my way,,, either way I don't care. Fact is those who think Gaston is being "selectively" used are idiots. no offence.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Funny how we have a pretty good run of 14 points from last 10 games, better than anyone else outside top 10, then lose a game we couldn't be arsed about to the European champions and all shts hitting the fan.
Astori will be signed and could play this weekend, and we could get one more very useful player.... Relax...

Yesssss!!!! Thanks for the sanity SaintMax.

http://weekendfootba










ll.co.uk/analysis/fo










rm.asp?l=1&seaso









n=13
&formtype=&g









amescoun
t=10

Link is to a Premier League table for the last ten games only - we're tenth and yet the fucktard whiners are out in force telling us we're doomed because of ONE game.

Get a grip!

And as for goals against in the Premiership - for all those screaming about our defence, over the last ten games, the table for goals conceded in the Premiership is:

Joint first on nine goals conceded.

Chelsea
Man City

And on ten goals conceded?

Southampton!


So our defence over the past ten games (i.e. since we settled a little) is the joint THIRD BEST in the division.

Calm down, ladies.

Optimism is good, loving our team is what we are all about..but the observations on here, the 10 leads we have surrendered, the panicking, the passing slowness is no less of a fact just because we all care for the team does not mean there are serious issues....and they have to be addressed.

What I posted wasn't anything to do with optimism. It was factual.

In the past ten games, we're joint third lowest goals conceded. In the past ten games we've gained more points than ten teams.

Optimism or pessimism has nothing to do with it. It's just a factual refutation of the doom-mongers on here who turn up after every loss and whine that we're doomed. Our recent form in the league (factually) shows up their arguments as false.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to improve squad and tactics. I'm just allowing the *facts* to attest to our progress so far.

The facts are that in 4 games we should or could have won we lost one and drew three...3 points from 12 WOW, when you suggest all is rosy in the garden this ain't my idea of pessimism its a reality check...
I am not a doom monger I am a reality seeker...I posted many times that I thought we would get out of this mess and show our quality....however I am now worried..ok with you.

Why is everything on here black or white? I'm not saying that everything is rosy in the garden. I'm suggesting that maybe things are not as black as they seem to appear to so many people on here.

It does get tedious when people argue (not aimed at you personally, note) that everything is either perfect or truly awful.

I'm just trying to point out (using facts) that it's somewhere between the two, possibly towards the better end of things as of today. I'm certainly not (and above said not) suggesting that we can't improve. I'll only say that when we've won the league ten seasons in a row (probably about 2025 or so).

what a hypocrite you are.... things are certainly black and white in your dumb world !!! the fact that a clearly un-fit Gaston was rushed back into the squad and is clearly still struggling with fitness did not seem to bother you and your Black-and-white world....

Wow!

So, let's go through what happened again. Gaston had an injury. You came on and told us with total certainty that he wouldn't be back until December. He came back long before then.

You're now telling me that in some way that means I see things in black and white? Really? Honestly? Or are you just someone clearly proven wrong lashing out at someone who noticed your error and commented on it? You sound like my kids arguing.

You really should clam down a little.

in your black and white world you assumed that medical science would not be ignored and that magically a player would be able to use super-natural powers to play perfectly fit ahead of time ... whereas the non-muppet population in the real world realised that my statement was based on what most clubs would have let unfold... only Saints has supporters as dumb as you... Gaston is still struggling and was rushed back clearly and only goes to show the obvious..... obvious that is unless you live in a 2-D cardboard cut-out black and white world.

MGRA, why are you once again resorting to insults?

With the obvious exception of Kunt141 (please everyone - especially you, Osprey - just ignore him and he'll be starved of his kicks), this thread was going quite well.

A range of different opinions (some I could never agree with) but mostly well made. Then you, MGRA, start with your insults.

Not everything's rosy; it never is. However, the measure we should be concentrating on is that of progress. Anyone who isn't happy about the rate of progress under the present ownership will never be happy. Me? I'm happy. Last week, I dreamt Messi had fallen out with his manager, had his contract cancelled, and had called Nigel to tell him that he was so desperate to play for Saints he'd be willing to play for free as long as his buddies Iniesta and Fàbregas could come. I'd just got to the bit where the Don steps in and tells Messi that if he's going to start making demands like that he could take a hike, when I woke up! Strange thing is, I still can't decide if I should be glad I woke up when I did or I'd be happier if I had followed it through to what could have been a happy well negotiated happy ending, but I do know that I'm happy whenever I remember how far we've come in 3 years.

Velleity wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I thought fontes was a weak defender so if his injury means they'll have to buy a replacement great!
But I still feel we need a goalie.
Last year I asked where the playmaker was in midfield as Guly & lambert had to keep coming back for the ball well sorry but the games I've seen this season where's the midfield playmaker? the distributor of the ball?
boss the midfield & your defence doesn't have to soak up so much pressure does it?
leave the strikers up front & sooner or later they're bound to score & the opposing side has to leave people in defence to cover them so A midfield general/playmaker & A couple of good defenders plus a decent goalie ( what's young schmiechal like? is he available?)
that's what we need

I know you don't go to games as a rugby fan, so on TV you may have missed a couple of playmakers in Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez. They are really rather good.

"Is Schmeichel available"? Everyone is for the right cash. Bid enough and we can get Petr Cech.

Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.

El Santo wrote:

rocketone wrote:
Transfer rumours were rife in November when Saints fans were panicking.
Now the window is here and despite the CFC result we are not doing that bad.
We still need a quality CB, that hasn't changed. Perhaps we also need to loan in an additional one as cover for Fonte .
Punch has been one of our better players which begs the question. If we use him as we have, would we have been better off with a better version of him?
Somebody commented he doesn't go to the bye line and cross. He plays on his opposite wing so he always cuts in on his favoured left foot. Why not switch him occasionally during the game, Jayrod would probably like to get on the end of crosses, let alone Ricky picking up pieces.

I am quite impressed with Puncheon actually. He seems to have a glove instead of a boot in his left foot!
Although he seems to have a wooden right leg... but, hey, he more than compensates with the left!
It is a good idea to give him some freedom to roam on the left. That's what they did with Figo, for example, to cause confusion in the opposition. You create a 3 to 2 superiority on that side (although you leave the other flank exposed unless you work on that very carefully).

loosehead wrote:

Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.

so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians

Velleity wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Velleity wrote:
You ask for playmakers to be signed; I point out we have some. Suddenly it's the team's fault or NA's fault that we don't use them. So, do we need to sign some or not? You can't have it both ways; either we need new ones or we don't.

"Our defence is rubbish" - over the past ten league games, only Man City and Chelsea have conceded fewer goals. Your statement just doesn't stand up to the cold light of facts.

so 3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? yes I prefer Rugby but I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence & I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians

"3-1 up & we draw is the signs of a good defence? " No, but conceding ten goals in our last ten games (third best in the league) is the sign of a good defence.

"Guly having to defend & scoring a own goal is the sign of a good defence? "- You weren't there, so I'll clarify what happened. Arsenal had a free kick from the left wing just outside the penalty area. Are you seriously suggesting Guly shouldn't have been back for it? Really, you'd rather he was standing up front and not defending? He lunged for a ball that would have fallen at the feet of an Arsenal player and gone in. The ball could easily have missed the goal but didn't. Even the Guly haters admitted it was just bad luck.

" I was a season ticket holder at the Dell & I can see the lack of a good midfield I use to play in defence( footie) & I can see a weak or lack of defence"

You're commenting on single moments from games on TV highlights shows as though they reflect the overall performance of our team. Which, I remind you, is third best in the division over the past ten games. Did I mention that?

"I've also witnessed good Southampton goalies & if you lot think Kelvin Davies is good then you need to go to the opticians"

Artur Boruc is the current goalkeeper.


"yes I prefer Rugby ". My advice: Stick to it.