Davis: Saints players like new boss Poch's style

Steven Davis

Steven Davis

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Saints midfielder Steven Davis revealed that the players are revelling in new manager Mauricio Pochettino’s style of play – even if it means they have to work exceptionally hard.

Saints constantly harried Manchester City on Saturday, unsettling the Premier League champions with their relentless pressing, as they stormed to a stunning 3-1 victory.

Davis, who had put the hosts into a 2-0 lead, revealed how much the squad have been enjoying Pochettino’s approach.

“Since the new manager’s come in he’s stressed that he wants us to play a high-tempo game and press teams high up the pitch,” said the 28-year-old, who signed in the summer from Rangers.

“We got a lot of joy from that. You see the first goal Punch has nicked it and we went on from there.

“It’s hard work playing like that, but it’s nice to get your rewards from it as well.”

City appeared uncomfortable throughout the entire match, and Davis confirmed that was the impression he had as well.

“I think that was evident throughout the game, they knew they weren’t going to get time on the ball,” he said.

“It’s obviously hard work playing the way the manager wants us to do, but it’s great to get your rewards from it and it shows that we’re moving in the right direction.”

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2:04pm Sun 10 Feb 13

100%Saint says...

Everyone has got to love Punch's celebration pretending to have a cr@p. COYR!!!
Everyone has got to love Punch's celebration pretending to have a cr@p. COYR!!! 100%Saint
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2:07pm Sun 10 Feb 13

JohnItaly says...

As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics?
As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics? JohnItaly
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2:13pm Sun 10 Feb 13

iswhite10 says...

So, so proud
So, so proud iswhite10
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2:18pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintysaintsaint says...

JohnItaly wrote:
As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics?
Apparently, a few players (including Lambert and Spiderman) were complaining to NC and the coaching staff about the way they were told to sit back and let teams attack us and even the subs NA made.

I tend to agree, with NA managing we would have sat back vs man u and probably lost by more and sat back vs city and lost, MP's style suites this team so much better, atleast at this level
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics?[/p][/quote]Apparently, a few players (including Lambert and Spiderman) were complaining to NC and the coaching staff about the way they were told to sit back and let teams attack us and even the subs NA made. I tend to agree, with NA managing we would have sat back vs man u and probably lost by more and sat back vs city and lost, MP's style suites this team so much better, atleast at this level saintysaintsaint
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2:21pm Sun 10 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker! OSPREYSAINT
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2:23pm Sun 10 Feb 13

100%Saint says...

saintysaintsaint wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics?
Apparently, a few players (including Lambert and Spiderman) were complaining to NC and the coaching staff about the way they were told to sit back and let teams attack us and even the subs NA made.

I tend to agree, with NA managing we would have sat back vs man u and probably lost by more and sat back vs city and lost, MP's style suites this team so much better, atleast at this level
Yes, I think your bang on it suits our team well, and if that was really said to Rickie and Spider to sit back and let the opposition attack and then they passed it onto Cortese that was most probably a big part to why NA was sacked. COYR!!!
[quote][p][bold]saintysaintsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: As much as I was shocked at the departure of NA the way the team have adapted so quickly to MP's preferred method of playing begs the question was there a little more to NA's sacking than meets the eye. For example was there a little unrest in the team with NA's team selection, substitutions and tactics?[/p][/quote]Apparently, a few players (including Lambert and Spiderman) were complaining to NC and the coaching staff about the way they were told to sit back and let teams attack us and even the subs NA made. I tend to agree, with NA managing we would have sat back vs man u and probably lost by more and sat back vs city and lost, MP's style suites this team so much better, atleast at this level[/p][/quote]Yes, I think your bang on it suits our team well, and if that was really said to Rickie and Spider to sit back and let the opposition attack and then they passed it onto Cortese that was most probably a big part to why NA was sacked. COYR!!! 100%Saint
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2:31pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Finally....we have our first scalp.

Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O)
Finally....we have our first scalp. Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O) Baddesley Bill
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2:52pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Ontario Saint says...

Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys Ontario Saint
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2:53pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Ontario Saint says...

Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys Ontario Saint
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3:13pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack..they don't like it up them capt Mainwaring...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack..they don't like it up them capt Mainwaring... warrens 76
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3:17pm Sun 10 Feb 13

TEBOURBA says...

Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster! TEBOURBA
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3:18pm Sun 10 Feb 13

milton road says...

Not going to comment on NA's departure, he was a great manager for us, full stop.
Yet MP seems to be a great manager as well.
Well Man City play a high press game and we rolled them back on themselves Utd often do, Its hard to play against. There will doubtless be bleeps along the way, but I think overall it is a system that will work.
Rodriguez and Davies look different players.
Not going to comment on NA's departure, he was a great manager for us, full stop. Yet MP seems to be a great manager as well. Well Man City play a high press game and we rolled them back on themselves Utd often do, Its hard to play against. There will doubtless be bleeps along the way, but I think overall it is a system that will work. Rodriguez and Davies look different players. milton road
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3:19pm Sun 10 Feb 13

noodlesnewman says...

So many top teams having off days against us ! strange that ??? coyr...
So many top teams having off days against us ! strange that ??? coyr... noodlesnewman
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3:26pm Sun 10 Feb 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Pull together as a team , and play for every ball , so far the ingredients are mixing into a lovely recipe . 3 point s against the champions was good but the actual way S.F.C. played in the last 3 games is the BEST tonic for our winter blue s .
Pull together as a team , and play for every ball , so far the ingredients are mixing into a lovely recipe . 3 point s against the champions was good but the actual way S.F.C. played in the last 3 games is the BEST tonic for our winter blue s . SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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3:30pm Sun 10 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
You simply don't get it do you? These are Nigels babes being turned into men by a new Manager, get over your OCD or get away before it damages you for life.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]You simply don't get it do you? These are Nigels babes being turned into men by a new Manager, get over your OCD or get away before it damages you for life. OSPREYSAINT
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3:31pm Sun 10 Feb 13

promised land says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
Yes time will tell ? NC took the brave decision to take Saints forward. As things stand at this moment the style of football is more intense and without doubt exciting, dare say Barcelona style and no I'm not saying we are anywhere near them but I'm more than happy to see them continue in that vein.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]Yes time will tell ? NC took the brave decision to take Saints forward. As things stand at this moment the style of football is more intense and without doubt exciting, dare say Barcelona style and no I'm not saying we are anywhere near them but I'm more than happy to see them continue in that vein. promised land
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3:36pm Sun 10 Feb 13

damoose says...

The two centre-midfielder`s were unplayable yesterday,but my MoM was Yoshida he played so well it that was an outstanding performance by him, long may it continue
The two centre-midfielder`s were unplayable yesterday,but my MoM was Yoshida he played so well it that was an outstanding performance by him, long may it continue damoose
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3:43pm Sun 10 Feb 13

MGRA says...

Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
[quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences. MGRA
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3:45pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

promised land wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
Yes time will tell ? NC took the brave decision to take Saints forward. As things stand at this moment the style of football is more intense and without doubt exciting, dare say Barcelona style and no I'm not saying we are anywhere near them but I'm more than happy to see them continue in that vein.
Pi$$ off trebour you skate.
[quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]Yes time will tell ? NC took the brave decision to take Saints forward. As things stand at this moment the style of football is more intense and without doubt exciting, dare say Barcelona style and no I'm not saying we are anywhere near them but I'm more than happy to see them continue in that vein.[/p][/quote]Pi$$ off trebour you skate. warrens 76
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3:53pm Sun 10 Feb 13

st mike says...

I will never forget what Nigel Adkins has done for Saints, a fantastic manager and a lovely man, but have to say it looks like Nicola's pulled off another masterstroke appointing Mauricio Pochettino.
I will never forget what Nigel Adkins has done for Saints, a fantastic manager and a lovely man, but have to say it looks like Nicola's pulled off another masterstroke appointing Mauricio Pochettino. st mike
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3:58pm Sun 10 Feb 13

100%Saint says...

Hooiveld looks a lot better all-round than he was before and he has stepped up his game, he should get some credit every now and again. COYR!!!
Hooiveld looks a lot better all-round than he was before and he has stepped up his game, he should get some credit every now and again. COYR!!! 100%Saint
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3:58pm Sun 10 Feb 13

ghk230473 says...

What was more pleasing is we were without 3 of our 1st choice players, lallana, Ramirez, and shaw.
M.p has definitely improved the team, under his 1st game against Everton it was evident we were pressing higher and closing down quicker.
The players are looking fitter and with that comes a certain confidence. We look more of a team, it's early days still but the signs are there. Could we be getting back to the strachan era?
Like strachan, mp has the proof to back up what he preaches and that is international appearances, I think the players may believe in him more than they could with Adkins?
What was more pleasing is we were without 3 of our 1st choice players, lallana, Ramirez, and shaw. M.p has definitely improved the team, under his 1st game against Everton it was evident we were pressing higher and closing down quicker. The players are looking fitter and with that comes a certain confidence. We look more of a team, it's early days still but the signs are there. Could we be getting back to the strachan era? Like strachan, mp has the proof to back up what he preaches and that is international appearances, I think the players may believe in him more than they could with Adkins? ghk230473
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3:59pm Sun 10 Feb 13

franiow says...

Cortese said in his interview that he was close to the players and he sensed they were unhappy...in other words some of the players were unhappy.

After our terrible start, Nigel changed things to stop losing and it worked. However, Saints were being asked to keep it to 0.0 , then attack in the second half...the trouble was that defensively we were letting in a couple, then having an uphill battle. So far,Poch has one win, 2 draws and 1 loss. Nigel may have also achieved that, but there is no doubt that we are more exciting now. Too early yet to know, but I think Poch will take us to the next level.
Cortese said in his interview that he was close to the players and he sensed they were unhappy...in other words some of the players were unhappy. After our terrible start, Nigel changed things to stop losing and it worked. However, Saints were being asked to keep it to 0.0 , then attack in the second half...the trouble was that defensively we were letting in a couple, then having an uphill battle. So far,Poch has one win, 2 draws and 1 loss. Nigel may have also achieved that, but there is no doubt that we are more exciting now. Too early yet to know, but I think Poch will take us to the next level. franiow
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4:10pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Confucious says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Finally....we have our first scalp.

Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O)
It should be given to Chappers.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Finally....we have our first scalp. Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O)[/p][/quote]It should be given to Chappers. Confucious
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4:10pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

35 letters in a skunt aplhabet as theres 9 Ls and counting
35 letters in a skunt aplhabet as theres 9 Ls and counting saintkenny
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4:11pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Five Trophies Between Us says...

So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky Five Trophies Between Us
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4:14pm Sun 10 Feb 13

promised land says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
So jealous
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]So jealous promised land
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4:15pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
but cheating status leads to 3 administrations 3 relegations and 9 defeats in row .can start your summer soon with no football team
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]but cheating status leads to 3 administrations 3 relegations and 9 defeats in row .can start your summer soon with no football team saintkenny
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4:18pm Sun 10 Feb 13

J7junctionseven says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
.......
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... ....... J7junctionseven
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4:20pm Sun 10 Feb 13

J7junctionseven says...

Mong alert@ 4.11pm
Mong alert@ 4.11pm J7junctionseven
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4:26pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
You make your own luck.... Which applies to Saints...just as it does to portsmouth right now.
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]You make your own luck.... Which applies to Saints...just as it does to portsmouth right now. Baddesley Bill
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4:31pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet saintkenny
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4:33pm Sun 10 Feb 13

bigfella777 says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there.
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there. bigfella777
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4:33pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
You make your own luck.... Which applies to Saints...just as it does to portsmouth right now.
best post of the day
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]You make your own luck.... Which applies to Saints...just as it does to portsmouth right now.[/p][/quote]best post of the day saintkenny
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4:34pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there.
and that quote is from a brighton fan .many other clubs think the same
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there.[/p][/quote]and that quote is from a brighton fan .many other clubs think the same saintkenny
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4:48pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

saintkenny wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there.
and that quote is from a brighton fan .many other clubs think the same
portsmuff...envy, bitterness, violence, 5hit personified...i will give every other city a capital letter as respect ( and correct grammar ) except that tip..

Stig of the dump would not live there.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]9 defeats in a row lol, 11 points of safety, who would want to buy that pile of cr@p. Hope you enjoy playing Fleetwood Town next season, you will love the smell of fish up there.[/p][/quote]and that quote is from a brighton fan .many other clubs think the same[/p][/quote]portsmuff...envy, bitterness, violence, 5hit personified...i will give every other city a capital letter as respect ( and correct grammar ) except that tip.. Stig of the dump would not live there. warrens 76
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5:14pm Sun 10 Feb 13

st1halo says...

saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID st1halo
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5:30pm Sun 10 Feb 13

hedge end bob says...

promised land wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
So jealous
So choked your arse is talking for you. AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN............BOR
ING FCUK OFF.
[quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]So jealous[/p][/quote]So choked your arse is talking for you. AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN............BOR ING FCUK OFF. hedge end bob
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5:54pm Sun 10 Feb 13

hedge end bob says...

I think everyone can see the difference Poch has made in the short time he has been in charge. The players look like they are enjoying their football more and are certainly putting in more effort. When did we see Rickie closing down like he has in the last few games. When did we use to see Spiderman in the opponents penalty box?, you cant keep him out of it now. Jack Cork imo is twice the player in midfield and come on, Fox even slots in now. Aurtur looks like a goalie and the back four look brick solid without Fonte and Vorren ( is that how it's spelt?). Early day's but christ what are we going to be like if we keep on improving at this rate??

Owes NICOLA a big sorry, thought you had made a big mistake, should of known better.

S T I D.
I think everyone can see the difference Poch has made in the short time he has been in charge. The players look like they are enjoying their football more and are certainly putting in more effort. When did we see Rickie closing down like he has in the last few games. When did we use to see Spiderman in the opponents penalty box?, you cant keep him out of it now. Jack Cork imo is twice the player in midfield and come on, Fox even slots in now. Aurtur looks like a goalie and the back four look brick solid without Fonte and Vorren ( is that how it's spelt?). Early day's but christ what are we going to be like if we keep on improving at this rate?? Owes NICOLA a big sorry, thought you had made a big mistake, should of known better. S T I D. hedge end bob
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5:57pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Velleity says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am).

However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team?

It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself.

There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC.

I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am). However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team? It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself. There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC. I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun. Velleity
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5:59pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Velleity says...

damoose wrote:
The two centre-midfielder`s were unplayable yesterday,but my MoM was Yoshida he played so well it that was an outstanding performance by him, long may it continue
I thought Hoover had a belter yesterday, as well. No drama, just solid defending and distribution. He looked MUCH more confident than over the past few weeks.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: The two centre-midfielder`s were unplayable yesterday,but my MoM was Yoshida he played so well it that was an outstanding performance by him, long may it continue[/p][/quote]I thought Hoover had a belter yesterday, as well. No drama, just solid defending and distribution. He looked MUCH more confident than over the past few weeks. Velleity
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6:20pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

Velleity wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am).

However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team?

It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself.

There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC.

I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun.
yes be his a skate they dont think forward and its consaquences just go on about the past .about time they learnt
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am). However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team? It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself. There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC. I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun.[/p][/quote]yes be his a skate they dont think forward and its consaquences just go on about the past .about time they learnt saintkenny
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6:33pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary. warrens 76
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7:04pm Sun 10 Feb 13

st1halo says...

warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
Tbh mate I think when NC arrived we got the goose that layed the golden egg!! (my personal opinion)

I think the nickle and dime sh1t is probably just a case of exploring every possible avenue of income to help the balance sheets, particularly when investing so much in the academy and transfers etc, although I agree with your sentiments and it's not going to have much impact but he is a banker after all!
Totally agree about the fan base though and integrating the club into the psyche of southerners.

On another note, I'm a bit gutted tonight.We will have to settle for a Champions League spot. Man U won and this means they are on 65pts so we cannot possibly win the title now as the most we can get is 63.

Maybe next year!


STID
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]Tbh mate I think when NC arrived we got the goose that layed the golden egg!! (my personal opinion) I think the nickle and dime sh1t is probably just a case of exploring every possible avenue of income to help the balance sheets, particularly when investing so much in the academy and transfers etc, although I agree with your sentiments and it's not going to have much impact but he is a banker after all! Totally agree about the fan base though and integrating the club into the psyche of southerners. On another note, I'm a bit gutted tonight.We will have to settle for a Champions League spot. Man U won and this means they are on 65pts so we cannot possibly win the title now as the most we can get is 63. Maybe next year! STID st1halo
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7:08pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saint Compo says...

Velleity wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am).

However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team?

It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself.

There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC.

I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun.
Good post, Velleity.

My only worry at the moment is that MP does too well in the remaining fixtures this season and Chelski poach him as their new manager.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]You would have found it hard to find a more ardent supporter of NA than I was (and am). However, by the evening of the Friday when he went, I simply accepted that he'd gone and that we needed to see what the new guy was like. I pointed out that it could turn out to be a disaster or one of Cortese's inspired moves. So I swung in behind MP. Where's the good in not being behind the team? It's not a case of "sticking knives in" anyone. Whoever ends up with NA is getting a gem of a manager. But he's gone. You need to look to the future, not the past, and one person who would have echoed that would be NA himself. There's only one person on this thread knifing anyone and you're doing it to your usual target, NC. I know you seem never look forward, but try it, it can be great fun.[/p][/quote]Good post, Velleity. My only worry at the moment is that MP does too well in the remaining fixtures this season and Chelski poach him as their new manager. COYR saint Compo
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7:10pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

st1halo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
Tbh mate I think when NC arrived we got the goose that layed the golden egg!! (my personal opinion)

I think the nickle and dime sh1t is probably just a case of exploring every possible avenue of income to help the balance sheets, particularly when investing so much in the academy and transfers etc, although I agree with your sentiments and it's not going to have much impact but he is a banker after all!
Totally agree about the fan base though and integrating the club into the psyche of southerners.

On another note, I'm a bit gutted tonight.We will have to settle for a Champions League spot. Man U won and this means they are on 65pts so we cannot possibly win the title now as the most we can get is 63.

Maybe next year!


STID
Good work fella, going to NUFC..apparantly it's dull, limp, lifeless.oh sorry that's Cheryl like..

Friday to sunday. christ on a bike Bigg st and alll that as like..
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]Tbh mate I think when NC arrived we got the goose that layed the golden egg!! (my personal opinion) I think the nickle and dime sh1t is probably just a case of exploring every possible avenue of income to help the balance sheets, particularly when investing so much in the academy and transfers etc, although I agree with your sentiments and it's not going to have much impact but he is a banker after all! Totally agree about the fan base though and integrating the club into the psyche of southerners. On another note, I'm a bit gutted tonight.We will have to settle for a Champions League spot. Man U won and this means they are on 65pts so we cannot possibly win the title now as the most we can get is 63. Maybe next year! STID[/p][/quote]Good work fella, going to NUFC..apparantly it's dull, limp, lifeless.oh sorry that's Cheryl like.. Friday to sunday. christ on a bike Bigg st and alll that as like.. warrens 76
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7:11pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it. Costa Baz
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7:16pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
...as brother would say...and there it is...
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]...as brother would say...and there it is... warrens 76
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7:20pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

100%Saint wrote:
Everyone has got to love Punch's celebration pretending to have a cr@p. COYR!!!
Who said he was pretending!
[quote][p][bold]100%Saint[/bold] wrote: Everyone has got to love Punch's celebration pretending to have a cr@p. COYR!!![/p][/quote]Who said he was pretending! warrens 76
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7:23pm Sun 10 Feb 13

KSO16R says...

With MP Saints are Premier League
With MP Saints are Premier League KSO16R
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7:24pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Buddy SFC says...

Big local Derby yesterday Poopy v The Cherries .....

Massive Poop Support 1300 managed to travel 40 miles ............... Expensive trip I suppose !!!!!!!!!

Welcome to our New new South Coast rivals ...... Bournmouth !!!!!!

Bye Bye Fishies ....................

.....”
Big local Derby yesterday Poopy v The Cherries ..... Massive Poop Support 1300 managed to travel 40 miles ............... Expensive trip I suppose !!!!!!!!! Welcome to our New new South Coast rivals ...... Bournmouth !!!!!! Bye Bye Fishies .................... .....” Buddy SFC
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7:27pm Sun 10 Feb 13

redsnapper says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
I said yesterday that I hoped miserable retards like you should have the decency to keep your negative diatribes and yr xenophobic hate for Cortese offline, in acceptance of the fact that whilst the club is geared to progress and success your comments are all about going nowhere.

Yesterday was a fantastic performance and much of the media comment about City failings acknowledge that
Saints performance was instrumental in reducing the City slickers to second raters.

As for the management change that's football. No one I can see is stabbing NA in the back,

Maybe you should go and share your wisdoms with the Skates?
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]I said yesterday that I hoped miserable retards like you should have the decency to keep your negative diatribes and yr xenophobic hate for Cortese offline, in acceptance of the fact that whilst the club is geared to progress and success your comments are all about going nowhere. Yesterday was a fantastic performance and much of the media comment about City failings acknowledge that Saints performance was instrumental in reducing the City slickers to second raters. As for the management change that's football. No one I can see is stabbing NA in the back, Maybe you should go and share your wisdoms with the Skates? redsnapper
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7:36pm Sun 10 Feb 13

rednwhite72 says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Did you watch the game five bellies?

could of been 5-1, we got the breaks because we out-classed the champions. Be a man and give respect where respect is due. They tried to play but they weren't given the chance. I don't think we were lucky, I think we totally deserved that result. Like pompey and their current position, they weren't unlucky, it was totally of your own making. You failed in every respect from the board room to the fans, you sold your soul for a moment of glory and now you reap the result of that, your focus has been distracted because of your envy for your peers.
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Did you watch the game five bellies? could of been 5-1, we got the breaks because we out-classed the champions. Be a man and give respect where respect is due. They tried to play but they weren't given the chance. I don't think we were lucky, I think we totally deserved that result. Like pompey and their current position, they weren't unlucky, it was totally of your own making. You failed in every respect from the board room to the fans, you sold your soul for a moment of glory and now you reap the result of that, your focus has been distracted because of your envy for your peers. rednwhite72
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7:36pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Tirau Dan says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
Viva Los Santos
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]Viva Los Santos Tirau Dan
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7:39pm Sun 10 Feb 13

2getheras1 says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks 2getheras1
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7:39pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that! Bring back Branfoot
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7:46pm Sun 10 Feb 13

redsnapper says...

2getheras1 wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks
Quality comment!,
[quote][p][bold]2getheras1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks[/p][/quote]Quality comment!, redsnapper
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7:51pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches. Bring back Branfoot
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7:52pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

redsnapper wrote:
2getheras1 wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks
Quality comment!,
Quote of the Day..2getheras1..res
pect..
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2getheras1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks[/p][/quote]Quality comment!,[/p][/quote]Quote of the Day..2getheras1..res pect.. warrens 76
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7:52pm Sun 10 Feb 13

southwest saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Finally....we have our first scalp.

Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O)
definately feels good
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Finally....we have our first scalp. Well earned....and don't it feel good! :O)[/p][/quote]definately feels good southwest saint
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7:53pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

2getheras1 wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks
Excellent!
[quote][p][bold]2getheras1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Should change your name to Five Leagues Between Us in a few weeks[/p][/quote]Excellent! Bring back Branfoot
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7:56pm Sun 10 Feb 13

slugger says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
To be fair , I can't argue with Baz or BBB on this ........... A Liverpool fan posted on TeamTalk .... " i'm scared that we're playing Southampton soon" says it all to me ....... COYR !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]To be fair , I can't argue with Baz or BBB on this ........... A Liverpool fan posted on TeamTalk .... " i'm scared that we're playing Southampton soon" says it all to me ....... COYR !!!! slugger
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7:57pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!! warrens 76
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8:03pm Sun 10 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them! OSPREYSAINT
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8:04pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard.

Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!![/p][/quote]You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard. Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger! Bring back Branfoot
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8:09pm Sun 10 Feb 13

slugger says...

" If I have to sacrifice my popularity for the good of the team, I have no problem with that" ..... or words to that effect ...... LEGEND (imo) .......... COYR !!!
" If I have to sacrifice my popularity for the good of the team, I have no problem with that" ..... or words to that effect ...... LEGEND (imo) .......... COYR !!! slugger
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8:11pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it. Bring back Branfoot
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8:13pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard.

Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger!
Our love fest continues!¨
the team is now something else...
I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!![/p][/quote]You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard. Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger![/p][/quote]Our love fest continues!¨ the team is now something else... I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required... warrens 76
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8:19pm Sun 10 Feb 13

st1halo says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID st1halo
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8:23pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard.

Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger!
Our love fest continues!¨
the team is now something else...
I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...
By hook or by crook Nicky Cortese is going to get us to the promised land, European football. As the wise guys say, Nigel had to go! He'll land on his feet and I hope he enjoys some success with another team. More than anything I hope he does well because he's a decent chap.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!![/p][/quote]You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard. Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger![/p][/quote]Our love fest continues!¨ the team is now something else... I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...[/p][/quote]By hook or by crook Nicky Cortese is going to get us to the promised land, European football. As the wise guys say, Nigel had to go! He'll land on his feet and I hope he enjoys some success with another team. More than anything I hope he does well because he's a decent chap. Bring back Branfoot
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8:24pm Sun 10 Feb 13

slugger says...

I must hold my hands up , I thought Nigel could do no wrong (i'm a supporter of whoever is in charge tbh) ....... but ..... in a few short weeks Mauricio has taken us to the next level and long may it continue ...... nice one Nicola .
I must hold my hands up , I thought Nigel could do no wrong (i'm a supporter of whoever is in charge tbh) ....... but ..... in a few short weeks Mauricio has taken us to the next level and long may it continue ...... nice one Nicola . slugger
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8:29pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard.

Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger!
Our love fest continues!¨
the team is now something else...
I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...
The results route is exactly that ..spend money like a gambler hpoing it pays off,...

..So no, build a base that is there ( to a point) good or bad and let the dice roll without the risk..

..we should control the entire south bar stinky places.. had i controlled the club and seriously i could have owned but not invested there is the point...so i did not, total control and loyalty to the club throughout the south would have been my mission because that is generational instead of being week to week result driven..

NORMALLY you build after results,we have a gilt edged opportunity to make up 25 years lost wilderness in 3 years lets do it and NC is the man..

SFC til I die..
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!![/p][/quote]You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard. Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger![/p][/quote]Our love fest continues!¨ the team is now something else... I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...[/p][/quote]The results route is exactly that ..spend money like a gambler hpoing it pays off,... ..So no, build a base that is there ( to a point) good or bad and let the dice roll without the risk.. ..we should control the entire south bar stinky places.. had i controlled the club and seriously i could have owned but not invested there is the point...so i did not, total control and loyalty to the club throughout the south would have been my mission because that is generational instead of being week to week result driven.. NORMALLY you build after results,we have a gilt edged opportunity to make up 25 years lost wilderness in 3 years lets do it and NC is the man.. SFC til I die.. warrens 76
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8:30pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him. Bring back Branfoot
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8:33pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Simmo13 says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Would you like the three points then knobby because by god you need them you silly little crab
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Would you like the three points then knobby because by god you need them you silly little crab Simmo13
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8:37pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

warrens 76 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club.
This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season.
This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys
I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.
also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet
People are still not getting it.

It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way"

NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so.
As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it.

STID
St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end..

NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards..

If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime...

..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton..

..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.
That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area.

What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches.

A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.
If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one..

Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!!
You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard.

Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger!
Our love fest continues!¨
the team is now something else...
I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...
The results route is exactly that ..spend money like a gambler hpoing it pays off,...

..So no, build a base that is there ( to a point) good or bad and let the dice roll without the risk..

..we should control the entire south bar stinky places.. had i controlled the club and seriously i could have owned but not invested there is the point...so i did not, total control and loyalty to the club throughout the south would have been my mission because that is generational instead of being week to week result driven..

NORMALLY you build after results,we have a gilt edged opportunity to make up 25 years lost wilderness in 3 years lets do it and NC is the man..

SFC til I die..
I believe the change in manager will realise more of the potential of the players then Nigel ever could. Without spending much money in the transfer windows our results will improve. A few signings in the summer should put us in the mix for the Europa league.

Apart from Fareham, which is twinned with Skateville, we should be more actively tapping the rest of the South.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: Not sure what problems may have existed previously as Nigel had an amazing record moving the Club forward. But the fact that the players have adapted so well to MP is great....obviously yesterday's result and performance had to rank amongst the top 10 in the History of the Club. This to me is the most motivated and talented squad the Club has ever had. Even Ferguson admitted we were the best team that had played at Manchester this season. This result should give the players 100% confidence in themselves to do what they are now capable of doing...that being a top 6 club next season. A wonderful squad we have all of whom are giving 100% and who are getting better all the time. Great decision only to bring in one player in January as there is an abundance of talent at St Marys[/p][/quote]I don't think there were problems as such,, just that NC thought NA was not upto the job at this level for the success we have projected... I think most thought it was a gamble, many thought it was shabby the way it was done but anyone who knew football realised that Nigel was not quite in his depth. Did we wait until he got in his depth ? NC said no and the new guy is adding something and gone are somethings that were clearly amis like dodgy substitutions, and obtuse/generic explanations in post-match press conferences.[/p][/quote]also lambert on the bench na did have a bit of fear .it was new to him prmier league and the media .but nc thought about the long term .but sometimes keeping the ball playing it across the back got tedious .think away nigels tactics and subs were strange ,butb result wise were picking up .and we think well nigels going to keep us up now.but nc is already thinking of next season and after.but any manager knows they have to deliver .can only be good for the club .nc loves football and wants success and the stadium increased .all positive stuff.still early but he has not appointed a bad manager yet[/p][/quote]People are still not getting it. It is not about individual managers. It is about the "way" the team is utilised and plays. The "Southampton Way" NC wants all the players to be educated in playing a certain way from the moment they join the club including the youngsters. (This is what Barcelona do). Essentially this means that regardless of changes in personnel, the system remains the same and strengthens. Nigel had difficulty with this from the start of the season as he still liked to play out from the back and concentrated on formations. MoPo however gets it, it is more than likely that the next step will be to educate players to play in various positions so that areas can be revolved such as midfield once he is comfortable to do so. As nice a guy as Nigel was, he was never going to remain and he knew it. STID[/p][/quote]St Halo...if it was possible to be 101% you have done it...teams that change management, style, formations only delay the inevitable those who have a 'way'..Liverpool 60's and 70's and 80's..mufco 90's onwards always prosper in the end.. NC is clever, very very clever and as a reasonably successful business guy I know what it takes...he is not your commoner gardener Chairman...we will go onwards.. If I would two things different it would be the introduction of a massive fan base through real active community liason throughout the South, 5 year project however the rewards would last beyond our lunchtime... ..make SFC a matter of southern pride and honour.. education, education..kids you do not live in the North or London..you live in the South ergo you support Southampton.. ..and do no pi$$ off the existing base with nickel and dime $hit like car parking charges to buy a ticket..it's cheap and unneccessary.[/p][/quote]That fan base you talk about has been fairly untapped. We are the biggest club south of London, with a vast catchment area. What you said about community liaison is a good idea, as well as giving away tickets to local school children. I seem to remember in the eighties when Millwall and Chelsea had been up to mischief in previous visits them not being given an allocation or a limited one. I think some schools were given tickets for those matches. A great way to get the whippersnappers indoctrinated early, before the likes of Chelsea get them in their wicked clutches.[/p][/quote]If we were a small local company we would have to build a regional base not expect one.. Cortese (his name that is hallowed) has to address this weakness in the otherwise solid footprint..you are Saints or you are nothing..that kind of theme!![/p][/quote]You know the best way is the results route. If Poch gets the team playing entertaining, clever football week in week out, the results and young fans will hopefully follow. God bless Cortese! I love the fact he could have given a fig what anyone said when he throw poor old Nigel overboard. Clinical and ruthless, but the sign of a winner. Btw we miss you Nigel. Don't be a stranger![/p][/quote]Our love fest continues!¨ the team is now something else... I wonder why and lets get busy...meanwhile, thankyou Nigel..we are here because of you.. but another level was required...[/p][/quote]The results route is exactly that ..spend money like a gambler hpoing it pays off,... ..So no, build a base that is there ( to a point) good or bad and let the dice roll without the risk.. ..we should control the entire south bar stinky places.. had i controlled the club and seriously i could have owned but not invested there is the point...so i did not, total control and loyalty to the club throughout the south would have been my mission because that is generational instead of being week to week result driven.. NORMALLY you build after results,we have a gilt edged opportunity to make up 25 years lost wilderness in 3 years lets do it and NC is the man.. SFC til I die..[/p][/quote]I believe the change in manager will realise more of the potential of the players then Nigel ever could. Without spending much money in the transfer windows our results will improve. A few signings in the summer should put us in the mix for the Europa league. Apart from Fareham, which is twinned with Skateville, we should be more actively tapping the rest of the South. Bring back Branfoot
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8:39pm Sun 10 Feb 13

warrens 76 says...

Before wife forces me to perform lewd and suggestive acts...

..who is going to NewKassell as like. Cheryl of dull, limp, lifeless fame..is meeting us ..gaan on like.

Were are you aaal staying as like..

UTS..
Before wife forces me to perform lewd and suggestive acts... ..who is going to NewKassell as like. Cheryl of dull, limp, lifeless fame..is meeting us ..gaan on like. Were are you aaal staying as like.. UTS.. warrens 76
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9:03pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
Just my opinion, but by playing the high tempo, high pressing game, we are already forcing teams to adopt the "park the bus" system, by virtue of pinning them back in their own half, for long periods.

Another improvement, about the style we now play, is that there always seems to be someone on the edge of the opponents penalty area for the cut back cross.
We just need more players to be as aware of where to play the final ball and to execute the pass, as well as Lambert does.

Plus those getting on the end of said passes, need to sit down and watch a compilation DVD of Frank Lampard, to see how to make the most of the pass.

The goal he scored on Saturday, in a situation similar to the chance Punch had at the start of the 2nd half, was all about controlled power.
A masterclass in shooting.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]Just my opinion, but by playing the high tempo, high pressing game, we are already forcing teams to adopt the "park the bus" system, by virtue of pinning them back in their own half, for long periods. Another improvement, about the style we now play, is that there always seems to be someone on the edge of the opponents penalty area for the cut back cross. We just need more players to be as aware of where to play the final ball and to execute the pass, as well as Lambert does. Plus those getting on the end of said passes, need to sit down and watch a compilation DVD of Frank Lampard, to see how to make the most of the pass. The goal he scored on Saturday, in a situation similar to the chance Punch had at the start of the 2nd half, was all about controlled power. A masterclass in shooting. Costa Baz
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9:04pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Simmo13 says...

saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
but cheating status leads to 3 administrations 3 relegations and 9 defeats in row .can start your summer soon with no football team
You skates don't do so bad with managers coming and going !!!
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]but cheating status leads to 3 administrations 3 relegations and 9 defeats in row .can start your summer soon with no football team[/p][/quote]You skates don't do so bad with managers coming and going !!! Simmo13
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9:40pm Sun 10 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
That is a bit too harsh, we cannot change anything until the summer and it is good to have players that can step up even if they not Premier class, we do have several players to come back from injury who can give us options should we need them, but it was odd that we didn't discard some of the more obvious deadwood in the last Window. Pushing them out on loan is putting them in the shop window so to speak.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]That is a bit too harsh, we cannot change anything until the summer and it is good to have players that can step up even if they not Premier class, we do have several players to come back from injury who can give us options should we need them, but it was odd that we didn't discard some of the more obvious deadwood in the last Window. Pushing them out on loan is putting them in the shop window so to speak. OSPREYSAINT
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9:42pm Sun 10 Feb 13

St Retford says...

slugger wrote:
" If I have to sacrifice my popularity for the good of the team, I have no problem with that" ..... or words to that effect ...... LEGEND (imo) .......... COYR !!!
Precisely. That man is a clever, clever bugger. It's sad that he encounters such opposition from fans who really should be able to recognise his quality by now.

All of a sudden I find myself thinking that next season we could quite easily secure a European spot. Much as I love him, I never thought that under Nigel. Maybe it's because he never had Jesus working by his side.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: " If I have to sacrifice my popularity for the good of the team, I have no problem with that" ..... or words to that effect ...... LEGEND (imo) .......... COYR !!![/p][/quote]Precisely. That man is a clever, clever bugger. It's sad that he encounters such opposition from fans who really should be able to recognise his quality by now. All of a sudden I find myself thinking that next season we could quite easily secure a European spot. Much as I love him, I never thought that under Nigel. Maybe it's because he never had Jesus working by his side. St Retford
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9:47pm Sun 10 Feb 13

St Retford says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo. St Retford
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10:01pm Sun 10 Feb 13

slugger says...

St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ? slugger
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Sun 10 Feb 13

St Retford says...

slugger wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?
Guly, obviously.

In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on.

We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?[/p][/quote]Guly, obviously. In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on. We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals. St Retford
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10:26pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Saintjock says...

Bringbackbranfoot - master of the non-sequitur. Fox played his best game ever for Saints yesterday and Guly didn't play and anyway is both Prem class and rated by MP, so better get over it.

Just go with the zeitgeist bbb - if everyone on the board is positive it may be because there's a lot to be positive about.
Bringbackbranfoot - master of the non-sequitur. Fox played his best game ever for Saints yesterday and Guly didn't play and anyway is both Prem class and rated by MP, so better get over it. Just go with the zeitgeist bbb - if everyone on the board is positive it may be because there's a lot to be positive about. Saintjock
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10:35pm Sun 10 Feb 13

saintysaintsaint says...

St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
There was one point where he tried being cocky keeping the ball in and gave it away, luckily everyone was back and we cleared it
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]There was one point where he tried being cocky keeping the ball in and gave it away, luckily everyone was back and we cleared it saintysaintsaint
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Sun 10 Feb 13

St Retford says...

saintysaintsaint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
There was one point where he tried being cocky keeping the ball in and gave it away, luckily everyone was back and we cleared it
I missed that but I hope like buggery his injury isn't serious. He has at least proved that if Shaw is injured we can rely on him to do a job.

Also, if the songs are to be believed, he's proving popular with a section of the womenfolk of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]saintysaintsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]There was one point where he tried being cocky keeping the ball in and gave it away, luckily everyone was back and we cleared it[/p][/quote]I missed that but I hope like buggery his injury isn't serious. He has at least proved that if Shaw is injured we can rely on him to do a job. Also, if the songs are to be believed, he's proving popular with a section of the womenfolk of Southampton. St Retford
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11:04pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Saint 2701 says...

Who needs mourinho, we got pochettino, pochettino!!!

What an exciting time to be a saints fan!!

COYR!!!!!!
Who needs mourinho, we got pochettino, pochettino!!! What an exciting time to be a saints fan!! COYR!!!!!! Saint 2701
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12:50am Mon 11 Feb 13

TEBOURBA says...

MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if! TEBOURBA
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1:06am Mon 11 Feb 13

saintkenny says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
should you not be concerned about your own club 9 defeats in a row .is it so hard to accept your not in the premier league anymore .give me a good reason why any saints fans cares what a pompey fan thinks.your the one who needs to get a life .or maybe your club does because the eternal breath is not far away .you see we simply dont care what you say .your just yet another sad skate to us
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]should you not be concerned about your own club 9 defeats in a row .is it so hard to accept your not in the premier league anymore .give me a good reason why any saints fans cares what a pompey fan thinks.your the one who needs to get a life .or maybe your club does because the eternal breath is not far away .you see we simply dont care what you say .your just yet another sad skate to us saintkenny
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1:41am Mon 11 Feb 13

angus mc coatup says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
so what your saying is adkins is better than pochettino.If that Is the case then why would chelsea want to snap up MP.
when adkins is available.

oh and by the way

fcuk right off !!
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]so what your saying is adkins is better than pochettino.If that Is the case then why would chelsea want to snap up MP. when adkins is available. oh and by the way fcuk right off !! angus mc coatup
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6:57am Mon 11 Feb 13

ghk230473 says...

St Retford wrote:
slugger wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?
Guly, obviously.

In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on.

We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals.
Fox, he's foxin useless!
I'd blame him for their goal and he had 3 bites to put it right!
Jay rod and puncheon played very well and the keeper looking safe. The rest played their normal high standard.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?[/p][/quote]Guly, obviously. In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on. We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals.[/p][/quote]Fox, he's foxin useless! I'd blame him for their goal and he had 3 bites to put it right! Jay rod and puncheon played very well and the keeper looking safe. The rest played their normal high standard. ghk230473
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7:00am Mon 11 Feb 13

Velleity says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
Ok, let's take you seriously - I did it once before but you just derided every word I said in your usual dismissive manner.

OK, Played 4. - Against Everton (H), Man U (A), Man C (H) and Wigan (A). Quality of opposition there is....

Oh, stuff it, it's not worth it, is it?



As for "... I'll be the first to cheer but..." YOU ARE LYING! YOU WILL NEVER CHEER. YOU ARE TERMINALLY MISERABLE AND WILL NEVER, EVER BE HAPPY.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]Ok, let's take you seriously - I did it once before but you just derided every word I said in your usual dismissive manner. OK, Played 4. - Against Everton (H), Man U (A), Man C (H) and Wigan (A). Quality of opposition there is.... Oh, stuff it, it's not worth it, is it? As for "... I'll be the first to cheer but..." YOU ARE LYING! YOU WILL NEVER CHEER. YOU ARE TERMINALLY MISERABLE AND WILL NEVER, EVER BE HAPPY. Velleity
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7:52am Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

ghk230473 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
slugger wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker!
Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team?

The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football.

If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams?
Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball?

We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward.

It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level.

Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.
Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy!

The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half.

High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that!
I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them!
I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.
He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT)
He is a reactive manager.
The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match.


STID
Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.
I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.
I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?
Guly, obviously.

In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on.

We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals.
Fox, he's foxin useless!
I'd blame him for their goal and he had 3 bites to put it right!
Jay rod and puncheon played very well and the keeper looking safe. The rest played their normal high standard.
Yeah I don't get how anyone can rate Fox as a player of Premiership standard. He won't have a starting place next season but if he's still here he'll be a squad player.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: This style isn't going to work against every team though, just hope we have some Plan B, C & D in the locker![/p][/quote]Why isn't this style of play going to work against every team? The whole principle of playing a high tempo, high pressing game, is to deprive the opponents of time and space to deliver the passes and crosses as they would like to make them and to limit their possession of the football. If the current champions and the champions elect, with many of the best players in the country playing for them, can't cope with it why wouldn't it work against the other teams? Especially the lower table teams that are composed of more run of the mill players, who generally need more time and space on the ball? We will always be open to counter attack goals, as seen yesterday, and there will always be players that can take games away from us, through individual brilliance (ie Bale), but IMO, THIS is the way forward. It is a style of play that will, with time, help us to score more goals (when we get the final pass right or when the person taking the shots start hitting the target) and a style of play that will help us to sign (in the future) better quality players that will take us to an even higher level. Not comparing us with Barca, but this is the only way they know how to play and they've done alright with it.[/p][/quote]Of course we can't expect the team to change their style of play depending on every opponent. It takes time for players to adapt to new styles of play and to ask them to adapt week in week out would be crazy! The slow short passing game cost us points and was aimless. When we did play direct stuff we were great, 2nd half against Villa, Newcastle game and Stoke away first half. High tempo, direct and pressing the opposition is the way to go. Nigel's disciples are already starting to see the light, by the end of the season they will be saying Nigel who? Poch's points haul will see to that![/p][/quote]I am not talking major changes, but there are some clever people out there who will do their homework and find ways to countermand our methods, we have to be able to make subtle changes to outwit them, there isn't the "park the bus" mentality in the Premier but it could be an effective way to stymy our cut and thrust, we just need a few options, that was APs major flaw, if Plan A failed he had nothing else to offer. NA did have more ideas, but they didn't always work, particularly when the players didn't understand them![/p][/quote]I totally agree that the cannier managers will work out ways to beat us. Sorry I thought you meant complete changes. Of course if Poch sees a team's got our number him and the players will have to tweak it.[/p][/quote]He is already tweeking it by doing his homework for each game. He is calculating where the threats are coming from and cutting off the supply. (2nd half at OT) He is a reactive manager. The only weakness in the system is teams that have pace like Spurs. Press too high and Bale and Lennon can tear you a new @rsehole. The system remains the same but he will focus differently in every match. STID[/p][/quote]Exactly! He's got to pinpoint the dangers and then alter things a bit to counteract any threats. The defence needs to be quick to react to any counter attacks, both mentally and physically. I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but I don't get Danny Fox. He really has no business plying his trade in the Premiership and he can take Do Prado with him.[/p][/quote]I've had my doubts about Foxy but I can't recall him putting a foot wrong yesterday. It's like every player has improved 200% under MoPo.[/p][/quote]I agree ...... to put a different spin on it , who was our worst player yesterday ?[/p][/quote]Guly, obviously. In all seriousness, that's a really good question. There were literally no weaknesses whatsoever. Even Richardson looked the part when he came on. We're like Barcelona nowadays. We hunt in packs. Everyone gives everything. The team matters; not individuals.[/p][/quote]Fox, he's foxin useless! I'd blame him for their goal and he had 3 bites to put it right! Jay rod and puncheon played very well and the keeper looking safe. The rest played their normal high standard.[/p][/quote]Yeah I don't get how anyone can rate Fox as a player of Premiership standard. He won't have a starting place next season but if he's still here he'll be a squad player. Bring back Branfoot
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7:55am Mon 11 Feb 13

Saint 2701 says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
1 - It is widely reported that NC built that squad, the majority of NA's signings in the lower leagues were useless.

2- Adkins is gone, GET OVER IT!

3- When the great Cortese makes a bad decision we might agree with you but from what i've seen the bloke has been spot on everytime.

4- MP has picked up more points against the teams NA played against and, unfortunately for you, will continue to do so.

Now get back in the that hole you came from, and pick your dummy back up off the floor.

IN CORTESE WE TRUST.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]1 - It is widely reported that NC built that squad, the majority of NA's signings in the lower leagues were useless. 2- Adkins is gone, GET OVER IT! 3- When the great Cortese makes a bad decision we might agree with you but from what i've seen the bloke has been spot on everytime. 4- MP has picked up more points against the teams NA played against and, unfortunately for you, will continue to do so. Now get back in the that hole you came from, and pick your dummy back up off the floor. IN CORTESE WE TRUST. Saint 2701
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8:46am Mon 11 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
Your personal animosity against Nicola Cortese is of no interest to anyone else, it clouds every post you make, you are a one trick pony that shows no loyalty at all to the Club / team you claim to support, we don't need you, you don't need us, so why not walk away and find something else to do that won't give you ulcers, because your bitterness will lead to that, believe me.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]Your personal animosity against Nicola Cortese is of no interest to anyone else, it clouds every post you make, you are a one trick pony that shows no loyalty at all to the Club / team you claim to support, we don't need you, you don't need us, so why not walk away and find something else to do that won't give you ulcers, because your bitterness will lead to that, believe me. OSPREYSAINT
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8:53am Mon 11 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder. OSPREYSAINT
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9:06am Mon 11 Feb 13

Alicesdad says...

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky
Who cares? 3-1 against the current Premiership champions .. it must burn like a red hot poker to see it. Hope you recorded it so you can see how lucky we were .. again and again and again..
[quote][p][bold]Five Trophies Between Us[/bold] wrote: So lucky 2 get 2 free goals. City also had their worst game of t season. So lucky[/p][/quote]Who cares? 3-1 against the current Premiership champions .. it must burn like a red hot poker to see it. Hope you recorded it so you can see how lucky we were .. again and again and again.. Alicesdad
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9:37am Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff. Bring back Branfoot
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9:47am Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Good result.
But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager.
Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel?
Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long)
Then and only then, can they be compared.
It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster!
An away draw against Chelsea is turning things round? Nigel spent a lot on players, most of who couldn't solidify a regular starting place. He played musical chairs with the goal keepers and had us playing a slow passing game with little purpose. If Poch had been installed in early December I reckon we'd easily have picked up more points, for example Stoke away.

And why is NC a shyster, (love the word)? If you have a couple of good years at your job and then in the third you just aren't delivering, you'd be on your way out, that's life. Nigel was one of the biggest spenders in European football in the summer and the performances and results were not good enough!

In short he took us as far as he was capable of doing, good luck to him.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Good result. But one swallow doesn't make a summer and one win doesn't make a great manager. Nigel had turned things around and Saints were on their way up when the shyster sacked him, who's to say the result wouldn't have been even better under Nigel? Let's look at MP's record when he has been at SMS as long as Nigel ( that's if he stays that long) Then and only then, can they be compared. It is sickening how soon some players and supporters have stuck their knives in Nigel's back they must be taking their lead from the shyster![/p][/quote]An away draw against Chelsea is turning things round? Nigel spent a lot on players, most of who couldn't solidify a regular starting place. He played musical chairs with the goal keepers and had us playing a slow passing game with little purpose. If Poch had been installed in early December I reckon we'd easily have picked up more points, for example Stoke away. And why is NC a shyster, (love the word)? If you have a couple of good years at your job and then in the third you just aren't delivering, you'd be on your way out, that's life. Nigel was one of the biggest spenders in European football in the summer and the performances and results were not good enough! In short he took us as far as he was capable of doing, good luck to him. Bring back Branfoot
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10:07am Mon 11 Feb 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :) Strasbourg Saint
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10:29am Mon 11 Feb 13

Clever Dick says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5.
Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season.
All on the strength of one win in four and that at home.
Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth!
MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months.
If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if!
1 - It is widely reported that NC built that squad, the majority of NA's signings in the lower leagues were useless.

2- Adkins is gone, GET OVER IT!

3- When the great Cortese makes a bad decision we might agree with you but from what i've seen the bloke has been spot on everytime.

4- MP has picked up more points against the teams NA played against and, unfortunately for you, will continue to do so.

Now get back in the that hole you came from, and pick your dummy back up off the floor.

IN CORTESE WE TRUST.
Yes so if we repeat those stats in the next 4 games we will have 32 points. The same in the next 4 will give us 37 points, and the same again in the last 4 will give us 42. That'll do me thanks. And in addition we have to play less sides in the top 6 than any othr team in the relegation scrap. It's not possible to compare NA (legend) with MP as all our games are now in the toughest league in the world. Translate those stats over a whole season would give us 47 points. That's would give us 10th position in last year's table. Given our bad start we have done brilliantly under both managers. But Nige has now moved on and we have been treated to some brilliant footie under MP. Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed the game at the weekend. Playing like that there arn't many teams looking 4ward to playing us.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: MP's record since taking over the team Nigel built so successfully, even with a shyster breathing down his neck and under threat of the sack at any moment -- is Played 4 -- Drawn 2 -- Lost 1 -- Won 1 For 6 Against 5. Hardly record breaking or mind boggling and yet the happy clappies have already forgotten Nigel, fear Chelsea are going to snap up MP and swear Saints will qualify for Europe next season. All on the strength of one win in four and that at home. Get a life, leave the world of dreams and come back down to earth! MP took his last club to the bottom of the league and was out of work for months. If MP achieves what Nigel did then I'll be the first to cheer but IMO it's a big if![/p][/quote]1 - It is widely reported that NC built that squad, the majority of NA's signings in the lower leagues were useless. 2- Adkins is gone, GET OVER IT! 3- When the great Cortese makes a bad decision we might agree with you but from what i've seen the bloke has been spot on everytime. 4- MP has picked up more points against the teams NA played against and, unfortunately for you, will continue to do so. Now get back in the that hole you came from, and pick your dummy back up off the floor. IN CORTESE WE TRUST.[/p][/quote]Yes so if we repeat those stats in the next 4 games we will have 32 points. The same in the next 4 will give us 37 points, and the same again in the last 4 will give us 42. That'll do me thanks. And in addition we have to play less sides in the top 6 than any othr team in the relegation scrap. It's not possible to compare NA (legend) with MP as all our games are now in the toughest league in the world. Translate those stats over a whole season would give us 47 points. That's would give us 10th position in last year's table. Given our bad start we have done brilliantly under both managers. But Nige has now moved on and we have been treated to some brilliant footie under MP. Don't know about you but I quite enjoyed the game at the weekend. Playing like that there arn't many teams looking 4ward to playing us. Clever Dick
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11:01am Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic? Bring back Branfoot
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11:20am Mon 11 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting. OSPREYSAINT
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11:41am Mon 11 Feb 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?[/p][/quote]Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan. Strasbourg Saint
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11:55am Mon 11 Feb 13

saintshorse101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.
osprey most of the moaners are back in their dark little rooms waiting as you said, however 1 little pimple keeps cropping up, theboooooorer. when it first appeared it kept saying that `we` needed more players and na "should bring them in on loan now", despite many of us informing it that the transfer window was closed and we couldn't bring in any loans, it kept bringing this up. that alone shows a lack of football knowledge. it changed its attack from na and the results to nc and his running of the club. it is now like a dog with a bone and any item the echo prints about nc`s control of the club it uses against him. calling nc a shyster is just getting a bit sad now but it wont stop.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.[/p][/quote]osprey most of the moaners are back in their dark little rooms waiting as you said, however 1 little pimple keeps cropping up, theboooooorer. when it first appeared it kept saying that `we` needed more players and na "should bring them in on loan now", despite many of us informing it that the transfer window was closed and we couldn't bring in any loans, it kept bringing this up. that alone shows a lack of football knowledge. it changed its attack from na and the results to nc and his running of the club. it is now like a dog with a bone and any item the echo prints about nc`s control of the club it uses against him. calling nc a shyster is just getting a bit sad now but it wont stop. saintshorse101
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12:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.
I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right!

I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?[/p][/quote]Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.[/p][/quote]I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right! I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection. Bring back Branfoot
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12:17pm Mon 11 Feb 13

st1halo says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.
Enter MGRA, stage left!


STID
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.[/p][/quote]Enter MGRA, stage left! STID st1halo
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12:17pm Mon 11 Feb 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

Steve Davis is playing the best football of his saints career under MP and.In the last couple of games JOS H is also finding his premiership feet.Boruc looks a steady eddie and JAY ROD has been a revelation.With adam getting match fit and fonte,shaw,ramirez and guly to come back plus Forren we should be able to maintain a steady climb up the table.
COYR
Steve Davis is playing the best football of his saints career under MP and.In the last couple of games JOS H is also finding his premiership feet.Boruc looks a steady eddie and JAY ROD has been a revelation.With adam getting match fit and fonte,shaw,ramirez and guly to come back plus Forren we should be able to maintain a steady climb up the table. COYR CB FRY LIVES
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12:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.
I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right!

I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.
Apology accepted but not needed. I sometimes go over the top, too, so sorry about that.

I think Pards is collecting French players like some people collect stamps or coins. Of course, here in Alsace, we don't really consider locals as French, so Morgan wouldn't quite fit.

To the locals, anywhere west of the Vosges is called 'the interior'. When you ask the question, would you prefer to be in France or Germany, most locals reply with, 'you haven't asked me about the third option.' That means, independence. It's a bit like that old Peter Sellars film, 'The Mouse That Roared' was it?
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?[/p][/quote]Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.[/p][/quote]I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right! I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.[/p][/quote]Apology accepted but not needed. I sometimes go over the top, too, so sorry about that. I think Pards is collecting French players like some people collect stamps or coins. Of course, here in Alsace, we don't really consider locals as French, so Morgan wouldn't quite fit. To the locals, anywhere west of the Vosges is called 'the interior'. When you ask the question, would you prefer to be in France or Germany, most locals reply with, 'you haven't asked me about the third option.' That means, independence. It's a bit like that old Peter Sellars film, 'The Mouse That Roared' was it? Strasbourg Saint
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12:48pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.
I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right!

I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.
Apology accepted but not needed. I sometimes go over the top, too, so sorry about that.

I think Pards is collecting French players like some people collect stamps or coins. Of course, here in Alsace, we don't really consider locals as French, so Morgan wouldn't quite fit.

To the locals, anywhere west of the Vosges is called 'the interior'. When you ask the question, would you prefer to be in France or Germany, most locals reply with, 'you haven't asked me about the third option.' That means, independence. It's a bit like that old Peter Sellars film, 'The Mouse That Roared' was it?
Do the locals speak German at all? I take it that it was one of the areas the Germans lost because of the Versaille treaty? Are they patriotic towards France?

I think you're right about the film, Sellars played more than one part.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?[/p][/quote]Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.[/p][/quote]I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right! I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.[/p][/quote]Apology accepted but not needed. I sometimes go over the top, too, so sorry about that. I think Pards is collecting French players like some people collect stamps or coins. Of course, here in Alsace, we don't really consider locals as French, so Morgan wouldn't quite fit. To the locals, anywhere west of the Vosges is called 'the interior'. When you ask the question, would you prefer to be in France or Germany, most locals reply with, 'you haven't asked me about the third option.' That means, independence. It's a bit like that old Peter Sellars film, 'The Mouse That Roared' was it?[/p][/quote]Do the locals speak German at all? I take it that it was one of the areas the Germans lost because of the Versaille treaty? Are they patriotic towards France? I think you're right about the film, Sellars played more than one part. Bring back Branfoot
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1:08pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.
They'll never be happy! A few years ago we nearly hit the wall and now we are mixing it up in the Premier league as well as being genoursly bankrolled with the aim of moving onto to bigger things. OSPers you hit it on the head, it's truly astonishing!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]That's part of my point, things couldn't be better at the moment, so the moaning minnies are keeping quiet, just waiting for the next excuse, it astonishing really, but they are out there just waiting.[/p][/quote]They'll never be happy! A few years ago we nearly hit the wall and now we are mixing it up in the Premier league as well as being genoursly bankrolled with the aim of moving onto to bigger things. OSPers you hit it on the head, it's truly astonishing! Bring back Branfoot
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1:38pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

BbB, yes, it was one of those multi-character Sellars movies, I think.

Re: Alsace, the locals speak French and don't think of themselves as Germanic. That said, a lot of my students are fluent in German and there are a few schools which teach 50% of their classes in German. I gather the locals were always thought of by those on the East of the Rhine as being the weird lot to the West. So, there was a bit of history well before the creation of a unified Germany. That newly created Germany occupied Alsace and Moselle from about 1871 and gave the locals a choice, take German nationality or leave. The German troops then ate the place out of food, which didn't go down too well.

Alsace was returned to France after WW1 but was, of course, occupied by the 3rd Reich, who regarded it as part of Germany until the allies got here in 1945.

So, although Alsatian is one of the Germanic languages and those who speak it (probably most of the over 50s and fewer as you get down to the younger generation) seem to understand German, they would prefer to be French than German.

All this is, of course, why Churchill and others located the Council of Europe (now 47 European countries) here after WW2 and, thus, once the EU got going following the post-war Franco-German pally-pally, the French insisted on having EU Parliamentary sittings here once a month, and, thus, creating the 'much-loved', euro-sapping, monthly Brussels-Strasbourg MEP+support staff stampede.
BbB, yes, it was one of those multi-character Sellars movies, I think. Re: Alsace, the locals speak French and don't think of themselves as Germanic. That said, a lot of my students are fluent in German and there are a few schools which teach 50% of their classes in German. I gather the locals were always thought of by those on the East of the Rhine as being the weird lot to the West. So, there was a bit of history well before the creation of a unified Germany. That newly created Germany occupied Alsace and Moselle from about 1871 and gave the locals a choice, take German nationality or leave. The German troops then ate the place out of food, which didn't go down too well. Alsace was returned to France after WW1 but was, of course, occupied by the 3rd Reich, who regarded it as part of Germany until the allies got here in 1945. So, although Alsatian is one of the Germanic languages and those who speak it (probably most of the over 50s and fewer as you get down to the younger generation) seem to understand German, they would prefer to be French than German. All this is, of course, why Churchill and others located the Council of Europe (now 47 European countries) here after WW2 and, thus, once the EU got going following the post-war Franco-German pally-pally, the French insisted on having EU Parliamentary sittings here once a month, and, thus, creating the 'much-loved', euro-sapping, monthly Brussels-Strasbourg MEP+support staff stampede. Strasbourg Saint
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2:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13

scorpioeyes says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.
What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.
After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)
I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?
Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.
I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right!

I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.
teboura,if you think that the man who saved us and the man who constantly makes the right decisions at the right time is a shyster,then you are totally brain-dead.there is no way wewould have beaten man city under NA. As Davis says " we like playing this new way"
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let us be realistic, if by some unfortunate happenstance, the Newcastle game goes sour, and it could, if luck fails us, bad Officials, illness or injury problems e.t.c. the mongs will be on here like a rash with their snide, bitter remarks, blaming all and sundry. Enjoy the good times while you can, there is still a long way to go, we must put our faith in NC and MP to do the job that they set out to do, happy clappers getting behind the side will make it easier, negative, moaning minnies will only make it harder.[/p][/quote]What on earth have people got to moan about? We just comfortably beat the reigning champions and we're playing some nice stuff.[/p][/quote]After Saturday, my expectations are HUGE. It's costing me an arm and a leg to take my boys up to Newcastle. If we don't beat them at least 6-0, I'm going to call for MP's head :)[/p][/quote]I hope they get a good result for you and your lads. It's going to take time for the players to adapt and their will be hiccups but we are playing with more purpose and it's brilliant. I really believe next season we'll qualify for Europe. Are you feeling optimistic?[/p][/quote]Very! I think it will be a great game at Newcastle. I bet Pards has already had words with his French players about 'tapping up' Morgan.[/p][/quote]I would like to apologise to you as I was out of order towards you in the past. I was catching shrapnel from all sides and mouthed off to you which wasn't right! I hope we keep Morgan but if he ever leaves I'm sure Pards will want to add him to his collection.[/p][/quote]teboura,if you think that the man who saved us and the man who constantly makes the right decisions at the right time is a shyster,then you are totally brain-dead.there is no way wewould have beaten man city under NA. As Davis says " we like playing this new way" scorpioeyes
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7:53pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
BbB, yes, it was one of those multi-character Sellars movies, I think.

Re: Alsace, the locals speak French and don't think of themselves as Germanic. That said, a lot of my students are fluent in German and there are a few schools which teach 50% of their classes in German. I gather the locals were always thought of by those on the East of the Rhine as being the weird lot to the West. So, there was a bit of history well before the creation of a unified Germany. That newly created Germany occupied Alsace and Moselle from about 1871 and gave the locals a choice, take German nationality or leave. The German troops then ate the place out of food, which didn't go down too well.

Alsace was returned to France after WW1 but was, of course, occupied by the 3rd Reich, who regarded it as part of Germany until the allies got here in 1945.

So, although Alsatian is one of the Germanic languages and those who speak it (probably most of the over 50s and fewer as you get down to the younger generation) seem to understand German, they would prefer to be French than German.

All this is, of course, why Churchill and others located the Council of Europe (now 47 European countries) here after WW2 and, thus, once the EU got going following the post-war Franco-German pally-pally, the French insisted on having EU Parliamentary sittings here once a month, and, thus, creating the 'much-loved', euro-sapping, monthly Brussels-Strasbourg MEP+support staff stampede.
It sounds like an interesting place to live and for your children to grow up in. I googled Strasbourg and it looks truly beautiful. The only drawback being the invasion of those ghastly MEPs on their tax payer paid monthly junkets. But it must me good for local hotels and restaurants as I can only imagine the size of each MEP's entourage!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: BbB, yes, it was one of those multi-character Sellars movies, I think. Re: Alsace, the locals speak French and don't think of themselves as Germanic. That said, a lot of my students are fluent in German and there are a few schools which teach 50% of their classes in German. I gather the locals were always thought of by those on the East of the Rhine as being the weird lot to the West. So, there was a bit of history well before the creation of a unified Germany. That newly created Germany occupied Alsace and Moselle from about 1871 and gave the locals a choice, take German nationality or leave. The German troops then ate the place out of food, which didn't go down too well. Alsace was returned to France after WW1 but was, of course, occupied by the 3rd Reich, who regarded it as part of Germany until the allies got here in 1945. So, although Alsatian is one of the Germanic languages and those who speak it (probably most of the over 50s and fewer as you get down to the younger generation) seem to understand German, they would prefer to be French than German. All this is, of course, why Churchill and others located the Council of Europe (now 47 European countries) here after WW2 and, thus, once the EU got going following the post-war Franco-German pally-pally, the French insisted on having EU Parliamentary sittings here once a month, and, thus, creating the 'much-loved', euro-sapping, monthly Brussels-Strasbourg MEP+support staff stampede.[/p][/quote]It sounds like an interesting place to live and for your children to grow up in. I googled Strasbourg and it looks truly beautiful. The only drawback being the invasion of those ghastly MEPs on their tax payer paid monthly junkets. But it must me good for local hotels and restaurants as I can only imagine the size of each MEP's entourage! Bring back Branfoot
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