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Full scale of Premier League rewards on offer for Saints
9:43am Wednesday 16th May 2012 in Saints News
By Adam Leitch, Chief Sports Writer
St. Mary's Stadium will be hosting Premier League football once again
The financial gulf between where Saints have been and where they are about to arrive could scarcely be bigger.
A drop through the divisions is not only sobering for a club’s footballing ambitions, but also their bank balance.
Saints will net a basic minimum of about £40m next season from being in the Premier League – virtually funded by broadcasting income – before you even consider ticketing, commercial, sponsorship and other revenue streams.
In their two seasons in League One, the club’s broadcasting revenue was just short of £1m the first season and about £1.4m as they were promoted.
Indeed, their entire turnover in 2009/10, their first season in the third tier, was only around £14m.
To put that into context, champions Manchester City’s income from Premier League broadcast payments alone for last season was a record £60.6m.
But even bottom club Wolves earned £39m, virtually double what Saints banked from finishing in the same position just seven years earlier.
Each elite league club in 2011/12 received an equal share of £13.7m from domestic TV money, £18.7m from overseas broadcast rights, plus £755,000 for each place they finished in the final league table.
That latter figure was the sum received by bottom club Wolves while champions Manchester City earned £15.1m.
On top of that, each club receives around £570,000 for EACH time they are featured in live TV matches.
That’s at least £5.7m, but in Manchester United’s case it was £13.5m after taking part in 26 live TV games.
That explains why Tottenham finished below Arsenal in the league table but earned more – £57.3m compared to £56.2m – because they played in 23 live TV games, compared to the Gunners’ 19.
Look back at when the Premier League started in 1992/93 and the bottom club of the 22-team division, Nottingham Forest on that occasion, were some way off of what last season’s basement dwellers Wolves made.
To be precise, Wolves earned £39.1m.
Some 20 years ago Forest earned just £37,055 in prize money, and then less than £1m in TV revenues – taking into account their lump sum payment and cash for every live game shown in the first year of the contract with Sky.
Even for Saints, finishing 18th back then bagged £185,275 in prize money, plus around £1m in TV revenues, while the division’s champions, Manchester United, netted £815,210 in prize money, plus about £1.6m in TV income.
The contrast continues even from seven years ago when Saints had last figured amongst the elite.
When Saints went down in 2004/05, they received £19.8m in prize money and television cash.
Manchester United topped the rich list that season with £31.7m – £100,000 more than title winners Chelsea.
While Saints plummeted into the third division before starting their phoenix-like rise, the top 20 clubs have raked in ever bigger sums.
Blackpool, for example, banked £39.1m in their debut Premier League season of 2010/11. And, like Saints six years earlier, they too were relegated – but with almost £20m more to their name than Saints had when they dropped down.
Blackpool’s parachute payment this season was around the £12.4m mark – virtually twice as much as the two payments Saints received of around £6.6m in 2005/06 and 2006/07.
Saints might have received around £12m from Arsenal for the sale of Alex Chamberlain, but that only equated to the parachute payment West Ham and Birmingham also collected, as well as Blackpool.
However, for all that, it’s not just income that has risen, but costs too.
The recent Grant Thornton ‘Focus on Football’ report made enlightening reading, particularly in regards to how salaries as well as income have gone through the roof in the Premier League.
It says: “According to the Office of National Statistics figures, the average UK worker earns £24,076 per year, and 10.26m people in the UK subscribe to Sky, paying an average of £535 each year.
“Approximately half of these subscribers take some sport content and some Sky subscribers are also amongst the estimated 1.2m ESPN subscribers, paying another £108 each year (or £144 for non-Sky subscribers).
“Sky and ESPN are paying circa £1.7 billion over three years to the Premiership for TV rights, equating to £567m each year.
“The Premier League distributed at least £19.6m from domestic broadcast rights (£13.8m equal share plus a minimum of £5.8m facility fees) to each of the 20 Premier League Clubs in 2010- 2011.
“Additional appearance monies were paid to the clubs, depending on the number of times they featured on TV.
“And, of course, the Premier League does make parachute payments to relegated clubs and solidarity payments to the Football League for distribution to its clubs, as well as financing youth development programmes and making various charitable donations.
“So the clubs collect the TV monies, along with their other incomes from ticket sales, merchandising, sponsorship and overseas broadcasting rights and use them to defray their expenses, the costs.
“Each club has a squad of 25 first team players, earning an average basic salary of £1.2m.
“With bonuses and appearance money, this could rise to between £1.8m and £2.4m.
“In addition, the clubs have Under 21 players and the associated managerial, coaching and support staff.
“Manchester City’s wage bill in 2010- 11 was £174m, £21m more than its total income of £153m.
“In effect then, the hard-earned money of the estimated 5m Sky sports fans ends up helping to line the pockets of circa 800 players and support staff.
“Rather than using the increasing TV monies to repay debt, it seems that the clubs have preferred to pay higher wages to their players and staff.
“In 1992-93, the first year of the Premiership, the average Premiership basic annual pay was £77,000, over four times the average UK wage.
“Ten years later in 2002-03 the average player’s pay had increased by nearly 800 per cent to £611,000, but the average UK wage was only 53 per cent higher.
“By 2009-10, players’ pay had virtually doubled again, to an average £1.2m, against a 20 per cent increase for the average worker.
“The gulf between the Premier League and the rest of football has also widened significantly.
“The average Premiership wage is now five times more than the average in the Championship, and 30 times more than the average League Two wage.
“Back in 1992-93 those figures were 1.9 and 4.6 respectively.
“Why has the gap widened so much?
“Look no further than the level of TV monies in the lower leagues.”
Premier League total broadcasting payments season 2011/12
| Manchester City | £60.6m |
| Manchester United | £60.3m |
| Tottenham | £57.3m |
| Arsenal | £56.2m |
| Chelsea | £54.4m |
| Liverpool | £54.4m |
| Newcastle | £54.2m |
| Everton | £48.9m |
| Fulham | £47.4m |
| West Brom | £46.6m |
| Swansea | £45.9m |
| Norwich | £45.6m |
| Sunderland | £44.4m |
| Stoke | £43.6m |
| QPR | £43.3m |
| Wigan | £42.8m |
| Aston Villa | £42.1m |
| Bolton | £40.6m |
| Blackburn | £40.3m |
| Wolves | £39.1m |
League prize money 1992/93 (First PL season)
| Man United | £815,210 |
| Aston Villa | £778,155 |
| Norwich | £741,100 |
| Blackburn | £704,045 |
| QPR | £666,990 |
| Liverpool | £629,975 |
| Sheffield Wed | £592,880 |
| Tottenham | £555,825 |
| Manchester City | £518,770 |
| Arsenal | £481,715 |
| Chelsea | £440,660 |
| Wimbledon | £407,605 |
| Everton | £370,550 |
| Sheffield United | £333,495 |
| Coventry | £296,440 |
| Ipswich | £259,385 |
| Leeds | £222,330 |
| SAINTS | £185,275 |
| Oldham | £148,220 |
| Crystal Palace | £111,165 |
| Middlesbrough | £74,110 |
| Nottingham Forest | £37,055 |
Premier League total broadcasting payments season 1993/94 (second PL season)
| Man United | £2,611,115 |
| Blackbum | £2,460,125 |
| Leeds | £2,100,215 |
| Newcastle | £2,097,005 |
| Arsenal | £1,911,495 |
| Liverpool | £1,910,160 |
| SAINTS | £1,763,715 |
| Sheff Wed | £1,763,715 |
| Wimbledon | £1,737,095 |
| Aston Villa | £1,735,760 |
| Tottenham | £1,645,475 |
| Coventry | £1,592,525 |
| Norwich City | £1,576,870 |
| QPR | £1,539,285 |
| Man City | £1,478,975 |
| West Ham | £1,464,655 |
| Chelsea | £1,352,440 |
| Everton | £1,308,975 |
| Oldham | £1,218,835 |
| Ipswich | £1,215,625 |
| Sheff United | £1,103,410 |
| Swindon | £1,025,570 |
Comments(75)
OSPREYSAINT
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10:25am Wed 16 May 12
Ashley Charles Pragnell
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10:33am Wed 16 May 12
The Southampton way is not just investing in the squad. But investing in the inforstructure of the club such as the new training facilities at Staplewood . The investment made there goes way beyond the 5 year plan. Just that investment alone potentially could sucure our future for many years to come. To answer the question its how in year one 40 million is invested into the club.
SouthamptonLegend
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10:57am Wed 16 May 12
We really could be the next Man U or Barcelona with our set-up. We can only get bigger and bigger, as long as Cortese stays that is!!
St Retford
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11:34am Wed 16 May 12
miltonarcher
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12:03pm Wed 16 May 12
sarfhamton
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12:12pm Wed 16 May 12
aldermoorboy
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12:19pm Wed 16 May 12
We have excellent team spirit and some good players.
Just a few class players should be added who can blend in.
It will be very hard next season, with the fans behind us we can prosper.
worried of n e hampshire
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12:33pm Wed 16 May 12
miltonarcher wrote:bolton are trying to compete for fans on city & utd's door step where we haven't even got a local rival anymore unless you count aldershot! he he!
All that money yet Bolton have huge debts, over £90 million. Being in the Prem has to be managed correctly by clubs like ours or we could end up like Bolton.
Strasbourg Saint
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12:48pm Wed 16 May 12
So, 20 teams, each has 25 first-team players, each earning an average of £2m (with bonuses). Taht's £1,000,000,000 isn't it?
That's a lot of bugatti veyrons!
If nothing else, it proves two things:
1. There are a lot of people involved in football who are a) running it badly and/or b) milking it for all they can get.
2. It doesn't matter how badly your begonias are going to do, if a club in a location where there's a hosepipe ban comes in for you and offers you a fatter salary, then f*** the begonias.
I'm beginning to seriously doubt whether any prem player is all that bothered in gardening :)
Winman
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12:58pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ
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1:05pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford
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1:05pm Wed 16 May 12
Winman wrote:Let's hope so.
One key aspect of Saints' future development is to be attractive enough to younger - potentially top - players so that they will stay with us, as Adam and co did in the lower divisions.With the new financial capping coming in, this should be increasingly about facilities, branding and trophies - pride in the badge!
What irritates me immensely about top flight football is the fact millions of people hand over hard earned money essentially so that some vacuous blonde bint can sit on her backside in a mansion and spend her time thinking of increasingly tasteless ways to ruin it and her. It would be nice for footballers to think about something bigger than this.
St Retford
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1:07pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ wrote:I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Alicesdad
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1:50pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford wrote:Indeed. I explained in a post yesterday about how the £90million is misconstrued and we only get about £40million next season.
That's actually a genuinely interesting article and answers the questions I had yesterday about the £90m-figure that always gets trotted out. Well done, Echo.
I also had a jab about doing some digging and finding out what our player budget is. They havent found that out yet.
But I suspect they are digging, so good on you whoever is trawling the records and well done for this article. It truly explains part of the growing dependency on TV revenue to finance the ridiculous player fees we now see. It cannot go on indefinitely, just like the banking industry this will crash and burn one day.
So don't stop now Echo dwarves .. we dig dig dig dig dig dig dig until its time to gooooooo !!!
owen thesaints...
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1:51pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ wrote:i am a life long saints fan (40+ yrs) I drive buses for a living so work a lot of saturdays and evenings. I was going to buy a season ticket last year,but thought i would miss quite a few matches so decided to pay for each game that i could get to. As it happened i only missed out on 3 home games and got to a few away as well. In going to see Saints in this manner i paid a lot more than i would have if i had just bought a season ticket in the first place DOH!! Anyway i have learnt by my mistake and will be buying a season ticket this time round. Does this make me a ''glory hunter'' and should pay a ''massive increase'' You are obviously a complete knobend if you think that is the way to sort out the allocation of season tickets in a year when obviously more people will be wanting them, surely the best way would be to sell to current holders first, then to people who bought tickets online then to anyone who wants them.. to$$er
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
St Retford
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2:15pm Wed 16 May 12
owen thesaints... wrote:I think he raises a fair point. If there's one thing this club doesn't need it's new customers bringing their money through the turnstiles and letting us buy better players. We should charge them all double. At least.
Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.i am a life long saints fan (40+ yrs) I drive buses for a living so work a lot of saturdays and evenings. I was going to buy a season ticket last year,but thought i would miss quite a few matches so decided to pay for each game that i could get to. As it happened i only missed out on 3 home games and got to a few away as well. In going to see Saints in this manner i paid a lot more than i would have if i had just bought a season ticket in the first place DOH!! Anyway i have learnt by my mistake and will be buying a season ticket this time round. Does this make me a ''glory hunter'' and should pay a ''massive increase'' You are obviously a complete knobend if you think that is the way to sort out the allocation of season tickets in a year when obviously more people will be wanting them, surely the best way would be to sell to current holders first, then to people who bought tickets online then to anyone who wants them.. to$$er
milton road
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2:23pm Wed 16 May 12
Along with paying 10p to get in.
Just consider that Manchester City have 250m of sponsorships which helps.
I think you will find that Birmingham are in financial trouble and west ham if they do not get promotion.
The majority of clubs are going to have to drop transfer fees and wages under the new scheme.Maybe some sanity can be restored.
On BBC they were asking you to name the best UK team ever. Not being biased
Shilton..Ramsey...Wr
ight... Watson..Mills, Bale.. Le Tiss ..Ball...Paine, Shearer... Keegan
Bench Flowers, Nicole, Dennis, Case, Armstrong, R Davies Channon.
squad. Osgood, C George, Williams, Rodrigues, Townsend,
C B Fry, M Chivers.
all Saints all internationals bar Dennis. OF whom Ron Greenwood said. The best left back in england but you never know if he will stay on long enough to finish a game.
Two world cup medals there.
The best forward Ron Davies over 90 goals in 3 seasons at top level. Best header of a ball I have ever seen.
Best midfielder on his day the tempremental S.Williams. For consistency A Ball.
defence the sheer class of M.Mills. In the squad are several England captains.
The most spectacular goal scorer, there could only be one M. Le Tiss. Goalkeeper Shilts.
WobblyCat
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2:39pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ wrote:Better still, don't let them in at all! Is it true that when you bought your season ticket your willy grew 3 inches longer? How do you type so eloquently with your head up your @rse?
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Ashley Charles Pragnell
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2:48pm Wed 16 May 12
frenchvic
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2:59pm Wed 16 May 12
WobblyCat wrote:I bet Adi Russ wishes he hadn't posted that.
Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.Better still, don't let them in at all! Is it true that when you bought your season ticket your willy grew 3 inches longer? How do you type so eloquently with your head up your @rse?
Sainty saint saint
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3:16pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ wrote:Hey, here's an idea, if you're worried about budgeting you can still start saving now can't you? You don't HAVE to know the price to start putting a little away each month as your ST fund - we all know the ballpark figure... there or thereabouts. Sheesh.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
boilerman
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3:16pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ wrote:I'm not having a go but surely people must have budgeted for season tickets of between£550 - £600, it's not like it is a surprise if you are going to buy one, it happens this time every year.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Having said that I agree it would be nice for there to be a significant difference in price between new season ticket holders, I won't say glory hunters, and existing ticket holders, it probably sounds a bit selfish but hey I make no apology for that.
I'm waiting for some strong feed back.
darune
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3:23pm Wed 16 May 12
boilerman wrote:What you just said. I have no problem with new Season Ticket holders and in fact feel more a sense of pride when figures are announced that show are support growing meaning many more sell outs. However, having kept my season ticket through all of the non prem seasons feel that some form of nod to the fans that endured half full stadiums for visits of Yeovil (no offence meant) would be nice and would not be too difficult to arrange. Not expecting half price tickets just a slight reduction
Adi Russ wrote:I'm not having a go but surely people must have budgeted for season tickets of between£550 - £600, it's not like it is a surprise if you are going to buy one, it happens this time every year.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Having said that I agree it would be nice for there to be a significant difference in price between new season ticket holders, I won't say glory hunters, and existing ticket holders, it probably sounds a bit selfish but hey I make no apology for that.
I'm waiting for some strong feed back.
milton road
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3:31pm Wed 16 May 12
Yep Peachy was a good player, good penalty taker.
St Retford
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3:33pm Wed 16 May 12
Adi Russ
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3:36pm Wed 16 May 12
owen thesaints... wrote:What about the 38 seasons before when a lot of the time Saints were struggling. Did you have a season ticket then or find an excuse not to have one ?
Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.i am a life long saints fan (40+ yrs) I drive buses for a living so work a lot of saturdays and evenings. I was going to buy a season ticket last year,but thought i would miss quite a few matches so decided to pay for each game that i could get to. As it happened i only missed out on 3 home games and got to a few away as well. In going to see Saints in this manner i paid a lot more than i would have if i had just bought a season ticket in the first place DOH!! Anyway i have learnt by my mistake and will be buying a season ticket this time round. Does this make me a ''glory hunter'' and should pay a ''massive increase'' You are obviously a complete knobend if you think that is the way to sort out the allocation of season tickets in a year when obviously more people will be wanting them, surely the best way would be to sell to current holders first, then to people who bought tickets online then to anyone who wants them.. to$$er
Just hope I don't ever get on your bus with your foul language and abuse.
boilerman
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3:38pm Wed 16 May 12
darune wrote:Agree i'm not saying make new season ticket holders pay the earth just a slight reward for those who kept loyal through the bad times, having said that they weren't that bad were they ?.
boilerman wrote:What you just said. I have no problem with new Season Ticket holders and in fact feel more a sense of pride when figures are announced that show are support growing meaning many more sell outs. However, having kept my season ticket through all of the non prem seasons feel that some form of nod to the fans that endured half full stadiums for visits of Yeovil (no offence meant) would be nice and would not be too difficult to arrange. Not expecting half price tickets just a slight reduction
Adi Russ wrote:I'm not having a go but surely people must have budgeted for season tickets of between£550 - £600, it's not like it is a surprise if you are going to buy one, it happens this time every year.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Having said that I agree it would be nice for there to be a significant difference in price between new season ticket holders, I won't say glory hunters, and existing ticket holders, it probably sounds a bit selfish but hey I make no apology for that.
I'm waiting for some strong feed back.
An idea would be all new season ticket holders this year get a bigger discount next year this might encourage a bit of loyalty.
I too feel pride when you see our average attendances being higher than a lot of prem teams, next season we will probably average 31 thousand like our last season in the top flight.
Thorshammer
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3:39pm Wed 16 May 12
frenchvic wrote:Ha Ha, Who in their right minds is expecting glory this season ?.
WobblyCat wrote:I bet Adi Russ wishes he hadn't posted that.
Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.Better still, don't let them in at all! Is it true that when you bought your season ticket your willy grew 3 inches longer? How do you type so eloquently with your head up your @rse?
It is a battle to stay in there, we are 2 years ahead of time and do not expect Europe.
I know I will be shelling out over a Grand for me and my Lads, that is the price we all pay.
If you have a budget Eastleigh will give you a S/T for £99, if that lot down the road survive you might get in there, just don't pay an excess for Charity cos it won't get there.
jammo1974
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3:42pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.
Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
St Retford
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3:51pm Wed 16 May 12
jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?
St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
darune
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3:57pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford wrote:We wont win it.......we'll come second!!
jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?
St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
jammo1974
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4:07pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford wrote:Surprised me too, asked him why he wasn't on holiday to which he replied he was thats why he was there!!
jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
Confucious
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4:07pm Wed 16 May 12
If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.
Saintsayer II
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4:11pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious
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4:19pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious wrote:I forgot to add that people with flatulence issues will not be admitted to the Auntie Elspeth Tunnel for obvious reasons. Anyone blowing off in the tunnel will be banned from further admission.
I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply.
If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.
St Retford
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4:21pm Wed 16 May 12
darune wrote:I dunno - we seem to be improving every year. Two years ago we started pretty much bottom and ended up second. Last season we started top and ended up second. Surely the only possible progression from that is the start top and finish top?
St Retford wrote:We wont win it.......we'll come second!!jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
BracknellSaint
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4:25pm Wed 16 May 12
Won't happen though. Some long term season ticket holders who've been week in, week out during the League One and Championship years might get priced out of seeing us back where we belong. That's wrong to me...
batesieboy
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4:40pm Wed 16 May 12
St Retford wrote:I keep reminding everyone it's 5000-1. Nailed on relegation certainties according to the Bookies.
jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?
St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
St Retford
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4:54pm Wed 16 May 12
batesieboy wrote:That's got to be worth a quid.
St Retford wrote:I keep reminding everyone it's 5000-1. Nailed on relegation certainties according to the Bookies.jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
SouthamptonLegend
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5:00pm Wed 16 May 12
batesieboy wrote:Gotta be worth a 10er!
St Retford wrote:I keep reminding everyone it's 5000-1. Nailed on relegation certainties according to the Bookies.
jammo1974 wrote:Really? That is unbelievably impressive of them. Out of interest, what the odds on us winning the league next season?
St Retford wrote:Some of the players are not on holiday Sir Rickie and Lee "he's hard Barnard were at the gym lunchtime, They obviously think it's going to be hard in the prem and are getting some early work in!! Good luck to them i'd be sat on a beach somewhere if it were me.Adi Russ wrote: Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.I would hope everyone at the club is on a well-deserved holiday right now and will worry about this sort of thing when they get back.
hedge end bob
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5:15pm Wed 16 May 12
boilerman wrote:I am an existing season ticket holder and i kept my ticket when we dropped out of the premiership. Being an O A P (and i kiss the badge at the post office every monday) my ticket is already cheaper. I do feel that people like myself who have sat through the DARK DAYS of wupert and backed the club with our money should be given a little favour for our loyalty. I also feel it would be good if the club looks at all the applications for New Season Tickets and checks their data base to see just how many games they have attended by buying a match day ticket, and then give these people a little discount also. The people, i wont call them fans at the moment, that will apply for a Season Ticket now we have earned the right to play in the PREMIERSHIP ( every time i say that it sounds better than the last time ) but have not been to games in LEAGUE 1 or CHAMPIONSHIP SHOULD PAY TOP MONEY. This could then offset the price of the fans renewing or buying their Season Ticket this coming season.
darune wrote:Agree i'm not saying make new season ticket holders pay the earth just a slight reward for those who kept loyal through the bad times, having said that they weren't that bad were they ?.
boilerman wrote:What you just said. I have no problem with new Season Ticket holders and in fact feel more a sense of pride when figures are announced that show are support growing meaning many more sell outs. However, having kept my season ticket through all of the non prem seasons feel that some form of nod to the fans that endured half full stadiums for visits of Yeovil (no offence meant) would be nice and would not be too difficult to arrange. Not expecting half price tickets just a slight reduction
Adi Russ wrote:I'm not having a go but surely people must have budgeted for season tickets of between£550 - £600, it's not like it is a surprise if you are going to buy one, it happens this time every year.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Having said that I agree it would be nice for there to be a significant difference in price between new season ticket holders, I won't say glory hunters, and existing ticket holders, it probably sounds a bit selfish but hey I make no apology for that.
I'm waiting for some strong feed back.
An idea would be all new season ticket holders this year get a bigger discount next year this might encourage a bit of loyalty.
I too feel pride when you see our average attendances being higher than a lot of prem teams, next season we will probably average 31 thousand like our last season in the top flight.
Am i being unreasonable with this suggestion????.
Of course i fully expect to see the FULL HOUSE SIGN for every home game this season and though no one has mentioned it yet, but we should be allocated more tickets for the away games as well which can only be a good thing with even more money coming to the club.
Now you better believe us were going to kick some a$$. The futures bright it's RED AND WHITEEEEEEE.
Ali-Dia-Barmy-Army
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5:21pm Wed 16 May 12
Baddesley Bill
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5:28pm Wed 16 May 12
slugger
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5:37pm Wed 16 May 12
saints-fanathotmail.co.uk
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6:27pm Wed 16 May 12
Baddesley Bill
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6:51pm Wed 16 May 12
saints-fanathotmail.That'll be news to Fulham! ;O)
co.uk wrote:
as always, renewals will be cheaper than new season tickets. But we are back at the top so nobody will be paying less than last year!!! I expect an increase of 10 to 20% for renewals and 20 to 30 % for new season tickets. Last years promoted teams put up their cheapest season tickets by 32% (Fulham) , 22% (QPR) AND 12% Norwich.
saints-fanathotmail.co.uk
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7:17pm Wed 16 May 12
Baddesley Bill wrote:having a bad day....Swansea up 8%....lol....sorry Fulham, but how did they justify 32% :)
saints-fanathotmail.That'll be news to Fulham! ;O)
co.uk wrote:
as always, renewals will be cheaper than new season tickets. But we are back at the top so nobody will be paying less than last year!!! I expect an increase of 10 to 20% for renewals and 20 to 30 % for new season tickets. Last years promoted teams put up their cheapest season tickets by 32% (Fulham) , 22% (QPR) AND 12% Norwich.
Baddesley Bill
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7:20pm Wed 16 May 12
saints-fanathotmail.Must have been the cost of their lovely statue! ;O)
co.uk wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:having a bad day....Swansea up 8%....lol....sorry Fulham, but how did they justify 32% :)
saints-fanathotmail.That'll be news to Fulham! ;O)
co.uk wrote:
as always, renewals will be cheaper than new season tickets. But we are back at the top so nobody will be paying less than last year!!! I expect an increase of 10 to 20% for renewals and 20 to 30 % for new season tickets. Last years promoted teams put up their cheapest season tickets by 32% (Fulham) , 22% (QPR) AND 12% Norwich.
spirit of 66
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7:24pm Wed 16 May 12
Optimist
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7:43pm Wed 16 May 12
Alicesdad wrote:That figure includes the new and improved parachute payments.
St Retford wrote:Indeed. I explained in a post yesterday about how the £90million is misconstrued and we only get about £40million next season.
That's actually a genuinely interesting article and answers the questions I had yesterday about the £90m-figure that always gets trotted out. Well done, Echo.
I also had a jab about doing some digging and finding out what our player budget is. They havent found that out yet.
But I suspect they are digging, so good on you whoever is trawling the records and well done for this article. It truly explains part of the growing dependency on TV revenue to finance the ridiculous player fees we now see. It cannot go on indefinitely, just like the banking industry this will crash and burn one day.
So don't stop now Echo dwarves .. we dig dig dig dig dig dig dig until its time to gooooooo !!!
£48 million over 4 years (starting at 16 mil/yr).
Add them up and roundit up to get the £90,000,000 that gets quoted.
Of course if you get promoted back during those 4 years then you stop getting the payments.
Part of the Prem's strategy to decrease the number of unknown teams for the lucrative foreign market, or just to encourage more and more spending.
milton road
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8:20pm Wed 16 May 12
Yep saw the Dalgleish thing, the guy needed time. Season isn't long enough, Hodgson never had the time either. Think they will go for someone with proven
European experience.
Last year we were written off as around 14-18th. So reckon about halfway then lads.
SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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8:23pm Wed 16 May 12
aldermoorboy wrote:SPOT ON , get the ingredients RIGHT and keep the budget in control . But we have got a good manager , great fans and players just READY to play the big BOYS
Best chance of surviving is to live within our means.
We have excellent team spirit and some good players.
Just a few class players should be added who can blend in.
It will be very hard next season, with the fans behind us we can prosper.
COME ON WE ARE S.F.C. PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
Baddesley Bill
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8:37pm Wed 16 May 12
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:Agree also...the foundation we have...and the potential for revenue means that we needn't make any rash financial gambles. I reckon a new 5yr plan is required. The first year of which being...stay in the big league by making the most of the resources we have COYR!
aldermoorboy wrote:SPOT ON , get the ingredients RIGHT and keep the budget in control . But we have got a good manager , great fans and players just READY to play the big BOYS
Best chance of surviving is to live within our means.
We have excellent team spirit and some good players.
Just a few class players should be added who can blend in.
It will be very hard next season, with the fans behind us we can prosper.
COME ON WE ARE S.F.C. PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
mack chinnon
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9:16pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious wrote:Yawn.
I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply.
If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.
mack chinnon
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9:17pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious wrote:Yaaaaawwwwn
Confucious wrote:I forgot to add that people with flatulence issues will not be admitted to the Auntie Elspeth Tunnel for obvious reasons. Anyone blowing off in the tunnel will be banned from further admission.
I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply.
If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.
rob the saint in NZ
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9:53pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious wrote:Will tunnel access be in to the Jumblies Stand?
Confucious wrote: I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply. If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.I forgot to add that people with flatulence issues will not be admitted to the Auntie Elspeth Tunnel for obvious reasons. Anyone blowing off in the tunnel will be banned from further admission.
boldbrian
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9:53pm Wed 16 May 12
rob the saint in NZ
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10:24pm Wed 16 May 12
Confucious wrote:Will tunnel access be in to the Jumblies Stand?
Confucious wrote: I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply. If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.I forgot to add that people with flatulence issues will not be admitted to the Auntie Elspeth Tunnel for obvious reasons. Anyone blowing off in the tunnel will be banned from further admission.
WobblyCat
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5:31am Thu 17 May 12
boilerman wrote:As Bill (often a voice of reason in times of great madness) has already pointed out, current season ticket holders pay less than new ones. Even a maggoty, low life non season ticket holder like myself knows this. Do I agree that season ticket holders should get a discount over non holders? Absolutely! Should they get first dibs on cup tickets? Absolutely! Season ticket holders show great commitment and loyalty and deserve acknowledgement. They are great fans. Fans that go when they’re able and sit at home chewing their fingers at 4.45pm on a Saturday when they’re not are also great fans. I am a former season ticket holder and been a fan for over 30 years, I’ve spent a few bob and travelled a fair few miles supporting Saints. I have loved some of it (Glen Cockerill’s stunning late equaliser at Luton) hated some of it (last minute of extra time loss at Norwich). At no time though did I feel my season ticket or my attendance at far flung places made it necessary for me to sit in judgement about other fans. My ‘excuse’ for not currently being a season ticket holder is marriage/children/di
Adi Russ wrote:I'm not having a go but surely people must have budgeted for season tickets of between£550 - £600, it's not like it is a surprise if you are going to buy one, it happens this time every year.
Cant believe the club still havent published the Season Ticket Prices for next season. How are people meant to budget when there is no price. If the figures above are true then hopefully there should be a big discount for exsisting ticket holders, and a massive increase for the glory hunters.
Having said that I agree it would be nice for there to be a significant difference in price between new season ticket holders, I won't say glory hunters, and existing ticket holders, it probably sounds a bit selfish but hey I make no apology for that.
I'm waiting for some strong feed back.
vorce/work/life! Of course I tend to refer to this as my ‘reason’ for not currently having a season ticket. When I see some season ticket holders on here posturing and demanding concessions that they already get and even demanding someones 'excuse' for not having a ticket it makes me want to type a really long, boring post. Is that what we want??
fritzer
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7:38am Thu 17 May 12
May be Confucious might let me in on his tunnel construction project.
Saintsayer II
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8:10am Thu 17 May 12
spirit of 66 wrote:Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)
St Retford
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8:24am Thu 17 May 12
Saintsayer II wrote:What comment?
spirit of 66 wrote:Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)
Saintsayer II
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9:16am Thu 17 May 12
spirit of 66 wrote:Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)
Saintsayer II
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9:16am Thu 17 May 12
spirit of 66 wrote:Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)
Saintsayer II
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9:20am Thu 17 May 12
St Retford wrote:He said in an interview that some day he would leave and he hoped it would be done in the right way
Saintsayer II wrote:What comment?
spirit of 66 wrote:Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)
fritzer
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9:35am Thu 17 May 12
Ashley Charles Pragnell
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9:37am Thu 17 May 12
fritzer
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9:38am Thu 17 May 12
St Retford
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9:50am Thu 17 May 12
Saintsayer II wrote:Well, it depends how you interpret it I guess. Everyone at the club will leave at some point so maybe it was him just pointing out that, as good as that moment was, nothing lasts forver.
St Retford wrote:He said in an interview that some day he would leave and he hoped it would be done in the right waySaintsayer II wrote:What comment?spirit of 66 wrote: Has anybody spotted that Dalgliesh has been sacked by Liverpool? Let's hope they have not got our Nigel on their radar. I've thought for some time that the only job NA would eventually leave Saints for would be Liverpool. Let's hope it's too early in the NA success story for the Scousers to take a punt on him. If it does occur it could get even worse - he might take our Rickie with him too. Sorry to be gloom and doom (but that comment after the Coventry game still haunts us in the Spirit household and somehow won't go away.)Well I'm going to put a fiver on him going Just a horrible gut feeling and that comment he made immediately after the Coventry game Hope I lose my £5
If Liverpool were smart and had balls they would try and sign Nigel, and we should applaud him and wish him luck when he went. At some point he'll be the new Shankly for them and we shouldn't try to stand in his way as it's obviously the thing he wants above everything.
But has the Liverpool board got the guts or intelligence to make that call just yet? I doubt it...
Saintsayer II
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11:44am Thu 17 May 12
Costa Baz
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1:21pm Thu 17 May 12
Confucious wrote:Pimp!!!!
I have started digging a tunnel from a highly secret location which will surface inside St Marys at a desirable point (no details here for obvious reasons). My tunnel, to be called The Auntie Elspeth Entrance, will be made available to a max of 300 fans per match next season - prices per match and per season to be disclosed soon. Prices will not only be half the club's admission fees, but there will be good discounts for long established fans and regular posters on here. Claustrophobia sufferers or people with above 48" waists cannot apply.
If the Auntie Elspeth Entrance proves as successful as I expect a fully brick lined and well illuminated Corporate Tunnel will be added in 2014.
lowe esteem
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2:37pm Thu 17 May 12
milton road wrote:Well it's what a lot of fans wished for...careful what you wish for...where the lunatics (Barton, Tevez, Terry et al) have taken over the asylum.
I guess the days of Terry Paine going training then helping his dad in the grocery store on Foy's corner are gone then lol.
Along with paying 10p to get in.
Just consider that Manchester City have 250m of sponsorships which helps.
I think you will find that Birmingham are in financial trouble and west ham if they do not get promotion.
The majority of clubs are going to have to drop transfer fees and wages under the new scheme.Maybe some sanity can be restored.
On BBC they were asking you to name the best UK team ever. Not being biased
Shilton..Ramsey...Wr
ight... Watson..Mills, Bale.. Le Tiss ..Ball...Paine, Shearer... Keegan
Bench Flowers, Nicole, Dennis, Case, Armstrong, R Davies Channon.
squad. Osgood, C George, Williams, Rodrigues, Townsend,
C B Fry, M Chivers.
all Saints all internationals bar Dennis. OF whom Ron Greenwood said. The best left back in england but you never know if he will stay on long enough to finish a game.
Two world cup medals there.
The best forward Ron Davies over 90 goals in 3 seasons at top level. Best header of a ball I have ever seen.
Best midfielder on his day the tempremental S.Williams. For consistency A Ball.
defence the sheer class of M.Mills. In the squad are several England captains.
The most spectacular goal scorer, there could only be one M. Le Tiss. Goalkeeper Shilts.
Ramsey will have his hands full managing, so better draft in Steve Mills at full-back, and I think I'm correct in saying Jimmy Case was our best (fully) uncapped player.
To play the following Rest of the World team: Niemi, Golac, Lundekvam, Svenson M, Fonte, Hooiveld, Svenson A, Ekelund, Fernandez, Ostenstadt and Pahars. with impact subs: Do Prado, T Lee, Waigo, Delgado-and I'm sure I've left some out-managed by those Dutch clowns with meddling by Rupert.
truelysaints
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8:36pm Thu 17 May 12
Confucious
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8:54pm Thu 17 May 12
truelysaints wrote:Following the current one, it's a charted blueprint formulating and delineating the strategy for a 60 month period ahead.
Does anyone know what the next 5 year plan is?
RedArmy1 says...
9:59am Wed 16 May 12
THIS IS WHAT WE'LL SING
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON
NIGEL IS OUR KING
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY