New signing Davis refused Saints clearance

Daily Echo: Steven Davis Steven Davis

New Saints signing Steven Davis has been refused international clearance to join the club.

Davis was one of a number of players at Glasgow Rangers who refused to have their contracts transferred to a newco Rangers, and therefore felt able to leave on a free with their deals effectively terminated.

The Northern Ireland captain agreed a three year deal to move to St Mary’s, but the SFA have refused to grant the required international clearance for the switch to be ratified.

The SFA have to contact the selling club to get their agreement for the transfer and Rangers have objected to the move of Davis, and several of his former colleagues who have also agreed deals to join other clubs after leaving the beleaguered Ibrox outfit.

Saints are able to appeal to FIFA for a temporary licence so Davis can remain with the club while the world governing body make a ruling on the situation.

When contacted by the Daily Echo, Rangers confirmed: “The SFA have already confirmed that they will not release an International Transfer Certificate to any National Association that requests it and have referred the matter to FIFA.”

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3:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12

SO50 Saint says...

This could get quite interesting
This could get quite interesting SO50 Saint
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3:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

WTF
WTF Mush On The Beach
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3:53pm Mon 9 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Here we go again.
Here we go again. OSPREYSAINT
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3:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12

mattboy111 says...

If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers! mattboy111
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4:00pm Mon 9 Jul 12

StParks says...

Surly this will not stand up?? SD and the others do not have to suffer as a result of the poor running of Rangers Football Club. I don't believe for one minute that FIFA will let his carry on. Maybe Rangers/NewCo will need to be compensated??
Surly this will not stand up?? SD and the others do not have to suffer as a result of the poor running of Rangers Football Club. I don't believe for one minute that FIFA will let his carry on. Maybe Rangers/NewCo will need to be compensated?? StParks
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4:08pm Mon 9 Jul 12

priesters says...

They will have known about this and will deal with it...not worried.
They will have known about this and will deal with it...not worried. priesters
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4:10pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Saint Anthony says...

IF it was the MIGHTY muc NO PROBLEM WOULD OCCURE, SAME OLD CRAP FOR sfc.
IF it was the MIGHTY muc NO PROBLEM WOULD OCCURE, SAME OLD CRAP FOR sfc. Saint Anthony
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4:12pm Mon 9 Jul 12

jonny-shuttle says...

the lawyers are going to have a field day with this one.
the lawyers are going to have a field day with this one. jonny-shuttle
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4:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12

graeme37 says...

Nothing to worry about The players union told the players to go as free agents. Saints can apply for a Temp licence until FIFA make a decision not worried about this one bit just sour grapes from rangers. Not just us its other clubs as well they aint got a leg to stand on
Nothing to worry about The players union told the players to go as free agents. Saints can apply for a Temp licence until FIFA make a decision not worried about this one bit just sour grapes from rangers. Not just us its other clubs as well they aint got a leg to stand on graeme37
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4:15pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dopplershift says...

Just a formality. Rangers will argue everything because they have everything to lose. If saints were offering them £500k or something they wouldn't bat an eyelid and see it as damage limitation.
Just a formality. Rangers will argue everything because they have everything to lose. If saints were offering them £500k or something they wouldn't bat an eyelid and see it as damage limitation. dopplershift
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4:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Farawaysaint says...

Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to.
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to. In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard. I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through. Farawaysaint
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4:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Farawaysaint says...

Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to.
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to. In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard. I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through. Farawaysaint
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4:18pm Mon 9 Jul 12

montecristosaint says...

Davis is Northern Irish what the hell has international clearance got to do with them surely not as he is not a scot.When a player is transferred internationally clearance is obtained from his governing body and in Davis's case that is Northern ireland.Or are these not the basic rules?
Davis is Northern Irish what the hell has international clearance got to do with them surely not as he is not a scot.When a player is transferred internationally clearance is obtained from his governing body and in Davis's case that is Northern ireland.Or are these not the basic rules? montecristosaint
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4:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Confucious says...

I think this could be a case of Murphy's Law coming into play. I remember things going unexpectedly awry in a Portsmouth courtroom a few years ago when a man who was definitely guilty of serial incest got off Scot free. Half the jury didn't know what the crime was and the other half were doing it.
I think this could be a case of Murphy's Law coming into play. I remember things going unexpectedly awry in a Portsmouth courtroom a few years ago when a man who was definitely guilty of serial incest got off Scot free. Half the jury didn't know what the crime was and the other half were doing it. Confucious
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4:27pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Farawaysaint wrote:
Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to.
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
You’d think so wouldn’t you?
8 words to worry you though ..... FIFA, Platini, Blatter, Goal Line Technology, Speedy Resolution.
[quote][p][bold]Farawaysaint[/bold] wrote: Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to. In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard. I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.[/p][/quote]You’d think so wouldn’t you? 8 words to worry you though ..... FIFA, Platini, Blatter, Goal Line Technology, Speedy Resolution. Mush On The Beach
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4:28pm Mon 9 Jul 12

saint Compo says...

It depends on what it says in Davis's contract in the event Rangers FC ceased to exist. The new Rangers club is a different legal entity so may not be entitled to 'own' him as their player.

The other matter is whether Rangers FC are entitled to a transfer fee. This will depend on Davis's contract and on FIFA/SFA etc rules.
It depends on what it says in Davis's contract in the event Rangers FC ceased to exist. The new Rangers club is a different legal entity so may not be entitled to 'own' him as their player. The other matter is whether Rangers FC are entitled to a transfer fee. This will depend on Davis's contract and on FIFA/SFA etc rules. saint Compo
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4:44pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Folkestone Saint says...

He should seek a redundancy settlement or do them for breach of contract from the old club as they no longer employ him, that could make this go away. As for international clearance I thought he was European.
He should seek a redundancy settlement or do them for breach of contract from the old club as they no longer employ him, that could make this go away. As for international clearance I thought he was European. Folkestone Saint
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4:54pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Jesus_02 says...

The Rangers guy has no legs to stand on. If it where liquidators seeking to pay money to creditors maybe, but the players contracts cease to exist when the company that they agreed them with disappears. It’s just an unusual circumstance.

A bit like when, the league insisted saints where in administration and we nearly didn’t get the an agreement to play in the league because we couldn’t provide we had come out of administration because we hadn’t actually gone into administration!

As usual, the football bodies will have to make something up. I imagine that it may involve minimal fee's changing hands too smooth everyone’s feathers. Maybe some white pudding and a deep fried Mars bar or two.
The Rangers guy has no legs to stand on. If it where liquidators seeking to pay money to creditors maybe, but the players contracts cease to exist when the company that they agreed them with disappears. It’s just an unusual circumstance. A bit like when, the league insisted saints where in administration and we nearly didn’t get the an agreement to play in the league because we couldn’t provide we had come out of administration because we hadn’t actually gone into administration! As usual, the football bodies will have to make something up. I imagine that it may involve minimal fee's changing hands too smooth everyone’s feathers. Maybe some white pudding and a deep fried Mars bar or two. Jesus_02
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4:55pm Mon 9 Jul 12

under the tap says...

SAD- Buggers the Jocks - want everything there way!!!
SAD- Buggers the Jocks - want everything there way!!! under the tap
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4:57pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Back to basics...invade Scottojockoland and sort out the heathans once and for all! :O)
Back to basics...invade Scottojockoland and sort out the heathans once and for all! :O) Baddesley Bill
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4:58pm Mon 9 Jul 12

paulmsh says...

Looks like all concerned are just setting our their position ahead of the bargaining. The SFA = The old firm and they understandably would like to see some cash for the player, but in the mean time Saints secure Steven's signature ahead of rival bids and the player can train. If FIFA don't let him play, then he can take them to the European Court of Human Rights. They'll get it sorted out in no time.
Looks like all concerned are just setting our their position ahead of the bargaining. The SFA = The old firm and they understandably would like to see some cash for the player, but in the mean time Saints secure Steven's signature ahead of rival bids and the player can train. If FIFA don't let him play, then he can take them to the European Court of Human Rights. They'll get it sorted out in no time. paulmsh
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4:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

This shows the SFA are just bunch of idiots who have passed the buck again.

They gave SPL clubs the veto on Rangers (newco) remaining in the SPL, the other clubs kicked them out of the SPL, then they are allowing the SL clubs too veto which league Rangers newco can join, which will probably be the third tier of Scottish football.

Then the SFA expect the players who have not been TUPE'd over to Rangers newco to remain with them, absolutely pathetic.

This is going to get interesting, employment law will be bought into it, I'm pretty sure that anyone (including the tea lady) who has not signed for the newco or been TUPE'd across to the newco are to able leave any company as they're without a contract.

Clearly the SFA are now trying block players leaving Rangers newco, which I don't think they can do.

By passing it to FIFA they are passing the buck as well, all of this situation with Rangers newco so far has shown the SFA cannot or will not make a decision.

Once Blatter and his cronies gets hold of it a decision will take ages, leaving all the players and potential purchasing clubs in limbo.

I feel a test case coming on, hopefully the court of sporting arbitration will be on stand by to sort this mess the SFA have allowed to happen out.
This shows the SFA are just bunch of idiots who have passed the buck again. They gave SPL clubs the veto on Rangers (newco) remaining in the SPL, the other clubs kicked them out of the SPL, then they are allowing the SL clubs too veto which league Rangers newco can join, which will probably be the third tier of Scottish football. Then the SFA expect the players who have not been TUPE'd over to Rangers newco to remain with them, absolutely pathetic. This is going to get interesting, employment law will be bought into it, I'm pretty sure that anyone (including the tea lady) who has not signed for the newco or been TUPE'd across to the newco are to able leave any company as they're without a contract. Clearly the SFA are now trying block players leaving Rangers newco, which I don't think they can do. By passing it to FIFA they are passing the buck as well, all of this situation with Rangers newco so far has shown the SFA cannot or will not make a decision. Once Blatter and his cronies gets hold of it a decision will take ages, leaving all the players and potential purchasing clubs in limbo. I feel a test case coming on, hopefully the court of sporting arbitration will be on stand by to sort this mess the SFA have allowed to happen out. Over the Edge
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4:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dopplershift says...

Confucious wrote:
I think this could be a case of Murphy's Law coming into play. I remember things going unexpectedly awry in a Portsmouth courtroom a few years ago when a man who was definitely guilty of serial incest got off Scot free. Half the jury didn't know what the crime was and the other half were doing it.
More of a case of Burke's Law!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I think this could be a case of Murphy's Law coming into play. I remember things going unexpectedly awry in a Portsmouth courtroom a few years ago when a man who was definitely guilty of serial incest got off Scot free. Half the jury didn't know what the crime was and the other half were doing it.[/p][/quote]More of a case of Burke's Law! dopplershift
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5:03pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Davis is Northern Irish what the hell has international clearance got to do with them surely not as he is not a scot.When a player is transferred internationally clearance is obtained from his governing body and in Davis's case that is Northern ireland.Or are these not the basic rules?
Nothing to do with the normal international clearance procedures which are only used for players coming to England from countries outside to EU, this is an employment issue, not a footballing one, IMO
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Davis is Northern Irish what the hell has international clearance got to do with them surely not as he is not a scot.When a player is transferred internationally clearance is obtained from his governing body and in Davis's case that is Northern ireland.Or are these not the basic rules?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the normal international clearance procedures which are only used for players coming to England from countries outside to EU, this is an employment issue, not a footballing one, IMO Over the Edge
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5:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

The team once known a Rangers still excist for the moment ,once liquidation is formal ,there won,t be any problem.
The team once known a Rangers still excist for the moment ,once liquidation is formal ,there won,t be any problem. arthur dalyrimple
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5:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Ach I The Noo says...

under the tap wrote:
SAD- Buggers the Jocks - want everything there way!!!
Pity it's an ENGLISH CHAIRMAN & an IRISHMAN involved eh ?

Sorta f's up your theory......
[quote][p][bold]under the tap[/bold] wrote: SAD- Buggers the Jocks - want everything there way!!![/p][/quote]Pity it's an ENGLISH CHAIRMAN & an IRISHMAN involved eh ? Sorta f's up your theory...... Ach I The Noo
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5:24pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Ach I The Noo says...

Why you no listen silly saints people ?

Warned you about this ages ago.

And about Hooper.....

Wanna hear about a new goalkeeper..........
..
Why you no listen silly saints people ? Warned you about this ages ago. And about Hooper..... Wanna hear about a new goalkeeper.......... .. Ach I The Noo
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5:25pm Mon 9 Jul 12

billythesaint says...

And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy. billythesaint
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5:38pm Mon 9 Jul 12

SaintMax says...

You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills.
So you leave...? Simples.
You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills. So you leave...? Simples. SaintMax
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5:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Jannersaint says...

I think 20 years ago we might have had a problem but with Bosman free transfers and contracts ending at the end of the term the new laws around European employment are probably in our favour
I think 20 years ago we might have had a problem but with Bosman free transfers and contracts ending at the end of the term the new laws around European employment are probably in our favour Jannersaint
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6:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12

anderoo says...

SaintMax wrote:
You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills.
So you leave...? Simples.
Agree totally, and surely the old Rangers FC were in breach of contract when they didnt pay the wages. I do recall the Skunts were in the same position when they couldnt pay players wages.....players were able to walk away and join new clubs
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills. So you leave...? Simples.[/p][/quote]Agree totally, and surely the old Rangers FC were in breach of contract when they didnt pay the wages. I do recall the Skunts were in the same position when they couldnt pay players wages.....players were able to walk away and join new clubs anderoo
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6:30pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Saint. says...

Simply NC is our boss, and I'm 100 percent sure that NC would be absolutely sure were the club stand legally before any contract is signed!

Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do.

Where in safe hands with NC!
Simply NC is our boss, and I'm 100 percent sure that NC would be absolutely sure were the club stand legally before any contract is signed! Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do. Where in safe hands with NC! Saint.
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6:45pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Slim Jim would sort this problem out simply offer the skint club some dosh!
Slim Jim would sort this problem out simply offer the skint club some dosh! Fatty x Ford Worker
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7:00pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo.
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly. dadofmy3sons
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7:02pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

One other thing......absolute silence on the Rangers site, no comment at all !!
very curious !
And yes ....go back and get McGregor, an excellent keeper.
One other thing......absolute silence on the Rangers site, no comment at all !! very curious ! And yes ....go back and get McGregor, an excellent keeper. dadofmy3sons
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7:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12

leosaint says...

Every soie on the net has reported on this with one exception,the OS.Why?
Every soie on the net has reported on this with one exception,the OS.Why? leosaint
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7:18pm Mon 9 Jul 12

leosaint says...

leosaint wrote:
Every soie on the net has reported on this with one exception,the OS.Why?
Thaa nhoud read SITE
[quote][p][bold]leosaint[/bold] wrote: Every soie on the net has reported on this with one exception,the OS.Why?[/p][/quote]Thaa nhoud read SITE leosaint
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7:27pm Mon 9 Jul 12

stu the saint says...

So what about that bloke who moved from rangers to everton then is he getting the same treatment?
So what about that bloke who moved from rangers to everton then is he getting the same treatment? stu the saint
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7:29pm Mon 9 Jul 12

saint robbie says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done.
I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.[/p][/quote]I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done. I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so. saint robbie
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7:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger.
the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what !
My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem.
Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey.
Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL.
The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity".
Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 .
Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them.
It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due.
When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor.
Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger. the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what ! My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem. Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey. Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL. The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity". Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 . Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them. It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due. When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor. Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there ! dadofmy3sons
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7:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12

truelysaints says...

No worries. it will sort itself out when Saints offer some small compensation.
No worries. it will sort itself out when Saints offer some small compensation. truelysaints
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7:55pm Mon 9 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

mattboy111 wrote:
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
A finance man, hmm, pot, kettle?
[quote][p][bold]mattboy111[/bold] wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers![/p][/quote]A finance man, hmm, pot, kettle? thinklikealocal
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8:04pm Mon 9 Jul 12

tugboat says...

Wont be a problem,the players sought legal advice from the scottish PFA,and were told they could seek employment elsewhere.
Temporary clearance can be granted by FIFA to allow them to play while others argue the toss.
He,s our player,and no-one can blame green for trying to get some compo-but cant see that happening.
Paperwork needs to be signed by old rangers before a player can be allowed to leave (normally),but soon they wont exist so the contracts are null and void unless a player agrees to transfer it,they have been told legally they dont have to.
Chill
Wont be a problem,the players sought legal advice from the scottish PFA,and were told they could seek employment elsewhere. Temporary clearance can be granted by FIFA to allow them to play while others argue the toss. He,s our player,and no-one can blame green for trying to get some compo-but cant see that happening. Paperwork needs to be signed by old rangers before a player can be allowed to leave (normally),but soon they wont exist so the contracts are null and void unless a player agrees to transfer it,they have been told legally they dont have to. Chill tugboat
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8:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12

slugger says...

as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals ! slugger
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8:38pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Confucious says...

mattboy111 wrote:
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
To be fair, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]mattboy111[/bold] wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers![/p][/quote]To be fair, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Confucious
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8:39pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Esteban09 says...

mattboy111 wrote:
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you.
[quote][p][bold]mattboy111[/bold] wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers![/p][/quote]If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you. Esteban09
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8:45pm Mon 9 Jul 12

notaclue says...

With all the Jock bashing going on here it only fair to point out that Rangers chief Charles Green is English! wot wot.
With all the Jock bashing going on here it only fair to point out that Rangers chief Charles Green is English! wot wot. notaclue
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8:54pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

saint robbie wrote:
dadofmy3sons wrote:
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done.
I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so.
HMRC wouldn't get the money, they stopped the CVA so that they can hunt down the real villains in this.
I hope they get the culprits and then go after a few more.
Poopey previous management beware ! !
[quote][p][bold]saint robbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.[/p][/quote]I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done. I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so.[/p][/quote]HMRC wouldn't get the money, they stopped the CVA so that they can hunt down the real villains in this. I hope they get the culprits and then go after a few more. Poopey previous management beware ! ! dadofmy3sons
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8:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

slugger wrote:
as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post.
How did you do yours and have you got it ?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals ![/p][/quote]I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post. How did you do yours and have you got it ? dadofmy3sons
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9:01pm Mon 9 Jul 12

puppy saint says...

Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important. puppy saint
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9:23pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Baddesley Bill says...

puppy saint wrote:
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
How very dare you...Kate Humble's beaver shots have kept me going on many a lonely night (I love Springwatch)...as a fellow STH, I suggest you either reconsider your opinion or have your ticket revoked and revert to the status of a mere non-season ticket holder.
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.[/p][/quote]How very dare you...Kate Humble's beaver shots have kept me going on many a lonely night (I love Springwatch)...as a fellow STH, I suggest you either reconsider your opinion or have your ticket revoked and revert to the status of a mere non-season ticket holder. Baddesley Bill
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9:25pm Mon 9 Jul 12

seventh-junction says...

puppy saint wrote:
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
You have my answer fellow STH.
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.[/p][/quote]Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable. You have my answer fellow STH. seventh-junction
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10:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12

slugger says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
slugger wrote: as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post. How did you do yours and have you got it ?
i sent my brother to pick it up , yes i have got it ........ i think the echo should do an exclusive season ticket holders thread .
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals ![/p][/quote]I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post. How did you do yours and have you got it ?[/p][/quote]i sent my brother to pick it up , yes i have got it ........ i think the echo should do an exclusive season ticket holders thread . slugger
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10:26pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Optimist says...

don't ask, don't get. Kudos to newco for the try, but if my company goes bust, the one that picks up the pieces can't claim my contracts, it just does not work like that. Unless Sepp gets a nice big brown envelope, then it is anyone's game.
don't ask, don't get. Kudos to newco for the try, but if my company goes bust, the one that picks up the pieces can't claim my contracts, it just does not work like that. Unless Sepp gets a nice big brown envelope, then it is anyone's game. Optimist
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10:30pm Mon 9 Jul 12

olddellsaint says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo.
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I said this in a thread the day he signed, that rangers will seek some sort of compensation for him and who ever else that leaves the club.

I personally think the 'newco' lot haven't a leg to stand on, anyway I hope they become bottom of the Scottish 3rd Div
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.[/p][/quote]I said this in a thread the day he signed, that rangers will seek some sort of compensation for him and who ever else that leaves the club. I personally think the 'newco' lot haven't a leg to stand on, anyway I hope they become bottom of the Scottish 3rd Div olddellsaint
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10:53pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

seventh-junction wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
You have my answer fellow STH.
I have two. I double your sentiments :)

What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now?
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.[/p][/quote]Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable. You have my answer fellow STH.[/p][/quote]I have two. I double your sentiments :) What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:57pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
You have my answer fellow STH.
I have two. I double your sentiments :)

What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now?
Much the same, the only difference is that, now, they have no money!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.[/p][/quote]Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable. You have my answer fellow STH.[/p][/quote]I have two. I double your sentiments :) What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now?[/p][/quote]Much the same, the only difference is that, now, they have no money! Strasbourg Saint
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10:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

paulmsh wrote:
Looks like all concerned are just setting our their position ahead of the bargaining. The SFA = The old firm and they understandably would like to see some cash for the player, but in the mean time Saints secure Steven's signature ahead of rival bids and the player can train. If FIFA don't let him play, then he can take them to the European Court of Human Rights. They'll get it sorted out in no time.
If that were to happen, the Don, NA and Steven Davis would all be welcome at mine for a few nights.

I'll go and get the spare room sorted just in case.
[quote][p][bold]paulmsh[/bold] wrote: Looks like all concerned are just setting our their position ahead of the bargaining. The SFA = The old firm and they understandably would like to see some cash for the player, but in the mean time Saints secure Steven's signature ahead of rival bids and the player can train. If FIFA don't let him play, then he can take them to the European Court of Human Rights. They'll get it sorted out in no time.[/p][/quote]If that were to happen, the Don, NA and Steven Davis would all be welcome at mine for a few nights. I'll go and get the spare room sorted just in case. Strasbourg Saint
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11:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12

business-guru says...

Saint. wrote:
Simply NC is our boss, and I'm 100 percent sure that NC would be absolutely sure were the club stand legally before any contract is signed!

Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do.

Where in safe hands with NC!
you seem to have homo-erotic leanings with poor old NC,,, calm down, anyone can make a mistake.... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Simply NC is our boss, and I'm 100 percent sure that NC would be absolutely sure were the club stand legally before any contract is signed! Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do. Where in safe hands with NC![/p][/quote]you seem to have homo-erotic leanings with poor old NC,,, calm down, anyone can make a mistake.... ;-) business-guru
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2:37am Tue 10 Jul 12

nannupsaint says...

billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.
How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UK have had their own Football Associations and entered their own football teams in international competitions since forever.
[quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.[/p][/quote]How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UK have had their own Football Associations and entered their own football teams in international competitions since forever. nannupsaint
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7:59am Tue 10 Jul 12

truelysaints says...

nannupsaint wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?
[quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.[/p][/quote]How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference? truelysaints
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8:13am Tue 10 Jul 12

fritzer says...

SaintMax wrote:
You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills.
So you leave...? Simples.
I totally agree with you "Max" the same thing happend to myself when working on Oil Rigs as a diver,we all told the new company to "RAM IT" and went to other rigs, I cant see any difference in this crazy situation as the Newmob can not continue to maintain the life style of these players, any previous contract just aint worth the paper that its written on and automatically becomes nil in void,defuct,and nfg. Should also take into cosideration that these guys have a very limited playing career as at 30ish they are classed as "over the hill" Saints lawyers wont have any problem fighting this one it will just take up some valuable time.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills. So you leave...? Simples.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you "Max" the same thing happend to myself when working on Oil Rigs as a diver,we all told the new company to "RAM IT" and went to other rigs, I cant see any difference in this crazy situation as the Newmob can not continue to maintain the life style of these players, any previous contract just aint worth the paper that its written on and automatically becomes nil in void,defuct,and nfg. Should also take into cosideration that these guys have a very limited playing career as at 30ish they are classed as "over the hill" Saints lawyers wont have any problem fighting this one it will just take up some valuable time. fritzer
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8:56am Tue 10 Jul 12

franiow says...

Another problem. On Vitesse site, they are indicatin problems with Buttner transfer. They say they acted in good faith with SFC because the player wanted it, which sounds like Buttner is the problem. A couple of days ago Buttr said he might nt have playedhis last game for Vitesse as his agent was still negotiating.
Another problem. On Vitesse site, they are indicatin problems with Buttner transfer. They say they acted in good faith with SFC because the player wanted it, which sounds like Buttner is the problem. A couple of days ago Buttr said he might nt have playedhis last game for Vitesse as his agent was still negotiating. franiow
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10:38am Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?
How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo? Shoong
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10:54am Tue 10 Jul 12

franiow says...

Rangers know these players aren't coming back but are after compensation. They feel they have lost assets for nothing and they need the money. The players position is that they signed for Rangers not the newco which will be in the lower leagues. The Scottish PFA said they could leave. Enter the lawyers.
Rangers know these players aren't coming back but are after compensation. They feel they have lost assets for nothing and they need the money. The players position is that they signed for Rangers not the newco which will be in the lower leagues. The Scottish PFA said they could leave. Enter the lawyers. franiow
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12:10pm Tue 10 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

the truth.....
"The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed.""
so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move !
Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven !
the truth..... "The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed."" so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move ! Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven ! dadofmy3sons
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12:12pm Tue 10 Jul 12

lowe esteem says...

truelysaints wrote:
nannupsaint wrote: billythesaint wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?Think about it...
Swansea and Cardiff have come up the correct pathway i.e. the recognised football pyramid.
This is why I don't like/won't visit Milton Keynes Dons... we don't want anymore like that...imagine... Glasgow Skunts?
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.[/p][/quote]How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?[/p][/quote]Think about it... Swansea and Cardiff have come up the correct pathway i.e. the recognised football pyramid. This is why I don't like/won't visit Milton Keynes Dons... we don't want anymore like that...imagine... Glasgow Skunts? lowe esteem
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12:52pm Tue 10 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

Shoong wrote:
How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?
YES
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?[/p][/quote]YES dadofmy3sons
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12:52pm Tue 10 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

Shoong wrote:
How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?
YES
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?[/p][/quote]YES dadofmy3sons
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1:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Ach I The Noo says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger.
the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what !
My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem.
Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey.
Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL.
The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity".
Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 .
Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them.
It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due.
When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor.
Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
Wee bit biased there Daddy boy.

The players took up to a 75% pay cut in Feb on the understanding that the Club would be free of debts via a CVA in July. They would get a reduced transfer fee clause as a thank you.

Turns out there was no CVA & the Club was effectively liquidated. The Newco didn't follow TUPE rules or timescales, and didn't even bother to keep the players informed. They merely told them they now worked for Newco. They couldn't tell them what League they would be in or guarantee their wages would be put back to normal.

This is a scare tactic to get any money they can. They have various other threats doing the rounds as well. All will fail.

Nobody has asked Rangers this question. If the whole Scottish League will face "Armageddon" should they be put in Div 3, how come you said a few years ago that Rangers/Celtic joining the English set up would actually BENEFIT the SFA ?

95% of Scottish Fans want them in Div 3. The vast majority of their own agree BUT not for "sporting integrity" reasons. They believe the rest of the League will crumble without them & see it as REVENGE. Even Saints are on the Rangers fans forum "hit list" because you cancelled the tournament !!

They are full of sh1t & believe me, there is FAR more to come out.........
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger. the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what ! My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem. Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey. Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL. The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity". Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 . Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them. It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due. When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor. Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there ![/p][/quote]Wee bit biased there Daddy boy. The players took up to a 75% pay cut in Feb on the understanding that the Club would be free of debts via a CVA in July. They would get a reduced transfer fee clause as a thank you. Turns out there was no CVA & the Club was effectively liquidated. The Newco didn't follow TUPE rules or timescales, and didn't even bother to keep the players informed. They merely told them they now worked for Newco. They couldn't tell them what League they would be in or guarantee their wages would be put back to normal. This is a scare tactic to get any money they can. They have various other threats doing the rounds as well. All will fail. Nobody has asked Rangers this question. If the whole Scottish League will face "Armageddon" should they be put in Div 3, how come you said a few years ago that Rangers/Celtic joining the English set up would actually BENEFIT the SFA ? 95% of Scottish Fans want them in Div 3. The vast majority of their own agree BUT not for "sporting integrity" reasons. They believe the rest of the League will crumble without them & see it as REVENGE. Even Saints are on the Rangers fans forum "hit list" because you cancelled the tournament !! They are full of sh1t & believe me, there is FAR more to come out......... Ach I The Noo
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1:29pm Tue 10 Jul 12

SO50 Saint says...

So from starting the weekend we thought we had 3 new signings this summer and thinking the squad was starting to get stronger now to just the 1 at present although this should go through I should imagine
So from starting the weekend we thought we had 3 new signings this summer and thinking the squad was starting to get stronger now to just the 1 at present although this should go through I should imagine SO50 Saint
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1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 12

mattboy111 says...

Esteban09 wrote:
mattboy111 wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you.
Oh - a 'hick up' re Alex Buttner transfer that the lawyers (well any lawyer worth their extraordinary fees) should have been aware of - surely not...think i might rest my case here...
[quote][p][bold]Esteban09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattboy111[/bold] wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers![/p][/quote]If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you.[/p][/quote]Oh - a 'hick up' re Alex Buttner transfer that the lawyers (well any lawyer worth their extraordinary fees) should have been aware of - surely not...think i might rest my case here... mattboy111
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2:13pm Tue 10 Jul 12

long memory says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
the truth.....
"The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed.""
so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move !
Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven !
Dad of my 3 sons, McGregor is either brilliant,he is related to you,or your his agent,only joking.
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: the truth..... "The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed."" so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move ! Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven ![/p][/quote]Dad of my 3 sons, McGregor is either brilliant,he is related to you,or your his agent,only joking. long memory
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5:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12

HAZZAAR says...

truelysaints wrote:
nannupsaint wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?wales is a principality
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.[/p][/quote]How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?[/p][/quote]wales is a principality HAZZAAR
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5:13pm Tue 10 Jul 12

HAZZAAR says...

truelysaints wrote:
nannupsaint wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?wales is a principality
scotland is not
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.[/p][/quote]How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?[/p][/quote]wales is a principality scotland is not HAZZAAR
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11:00pm Tue 10 Jul 12

bullsbags says...

slugger wrote:
as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
so slugger your a season ticket holder.i suppose you've got a saints quilt cover,curtains and lampshade.just because your a season ticket holder( and not the only one) how does this make you an expert on employment law.just thought I'd ask!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals ![/p][/quote]so slugger your a season ticket holder.i suppose you've got a saints quilt cover,curtains and lampshade.just because your a season ticket holder( and not the only one) how does this make you an expert on employment law.just thought I'd ask! bullsbags
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10:02am Wed 11 Jul 12

userds5050 says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
The team once known a Rangers still excist for the moment ,once liquidation is formal ,there won,t be any problem.
Yes, I'm sure the SFA would need to notify the newco 'club' Rangers of the transfer of one of their players. As they don't yet exist they can't do this. Once Ranger are allowed in League 1 or 3 the SFA will ok it. Then Rangers can start their futile attempt at claiming compensation. It is just a formality and the SFA protecting itself from legal action from Rangers. #Farce
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: The team once known a Rangers still excist for the moment ,once liquidation is formal ,there won,t be any problem.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm sure the SFA would need to notify the newco 'club' Rangers of the transfer of one of their players. As they don't yet exist they can't do this. Once Ranger are allowed in League 1 or 3 the SFA will ok it. Then Rangers can start their futile attempt at claiming compensation. It is just a formality and the SFA protecting itself from legal action from Rangers. #Farce userds5050
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10:13am Wed 11 Jul 12

userds5050 says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo.
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
What so the players who refused to transfer, other interested clubs are expected to believe that spiv Green? We're not being held to ransom like the SFA remember. Green has already transfered the clubs assets including Ibrox and the training ground from the newco (that bought the club in administration) to another company. He didn't even bother to speak to the players concerned about what company they would be transfering to. He just threatened them with legal action. That is all Rangers are at the moment, a company, not a club. They don't belong to any league. The whole thing really is a farce.
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.[/p][/quote]What so the players who refused to transfer, other interested clubs are expected to believe that spiv Green? We're not being held to ransom like the SFA remember. Green has already transfered the clubs assets including Ibrox and the training ground from the newco (that bought the club in administration) to another company. He didn't even bother to speak to the players concerned about what company they would be transfering to. He just threatened them with legal action. That is all Rangers are at the moment, a company, not a club. They don't belong to any league. The whole thing really is a farce. userds5050
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12:08pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SaintJoeBhoy90 says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger. the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what ! My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem. Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey. Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL. The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity". Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 . Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them. It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due. When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor. Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
Yous cheated. Simple. Years of not paying tax and signing players you couldn't afford! Yous deserve nothing! As for the players, they have been lied to by sir moonbeams and the rest of the hun mob that ran that former club, they owe you nothing!
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger. the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what ! My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem. Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey. Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL. The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity". Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 . Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them. It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due. When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor. Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there ![/p][/quote]Yous cheated. Simple. Years of not paying tax and signing players you couldn't afford! Yous deserve nothing! As for the players, they have been lied to by sir moonbeams and the rest of the hun mob that ran that former club, they owe you nothing! SaintJoeBhoy90
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