Saints' Gaston Ramirez deal stalled again

11:53pm Tuesday 21st August 2012 in Saints News

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GASTON Ramirez’s potential record move to Saints has taken another twist.

The protracted transfer saga is still not complete despite more talks between Saints and his Italian side Bologna.

Sources in Italy maintain that the clubs are more or less in agreement over a fee – but cannot agree terms on the schedule of it being paid.

Saints are believed to be prepared to meet Bolgona’s demand of 15m euros for the Uruguayan winger, pictured left, which is about £12m.

Ramirez’s former club Penarol, who still own 30 per cent of the player, are also understood to have agreed a deal with Saints to sell their share in him.

The sticking point remains a payment schedule, with the clubs struggling to find common ground.

Full story in today's Daily Echo

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blobster says...
12:03am Wed 22 Aug 12

we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted

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andysaints007 says...
12:06am Wed 22 Aug 12

blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
You stick to being a thicko and let the Chairman do what HE is good at!

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only1chopper says...
12:28am Wed 22 Aug 12

Tricky, we obviously want him, but to part with 12m is quite daunting, especially as we are not used to splashing that kind of cash. So for all parties concerned to sit down and agree is quite a task when 1 club still has 30% ownership. And with Philips, if holloway wasn't such a ****, then I think we would have done business, but it is quite good that someone has actually put in a transfer just to come to us, makes you feel good. So a deal is more likely for him than Gastons. Also, why aren't we bidding for maybe Curtis Davies or Richard Dawson, both good centre backs, and could def. do a job for us, just a thought.

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Rising_Son says...
12:36am Wed 22 Aug 12

blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Promotion to the Prem is estimated to be worth 90 million or more, but nobody actually gives you 90 million. We will get it bit by bit through increased ticket sales, tv money, etc. over the coming years.

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angus mc coatup says...
12:37am Wed 22 Aug 12

only1chopper wrote:
Tricky, we obviously want him, but to part with 12m is quite daunting, especially as we are not used to splashing that kind of cash. So for all parties concerned to sit down and agree is quite a task when 1 club still has 30% ownership. And with Philips, if holloway wasn't such a ****, then I think we would have done business, but it is quite good that someone has actually put in a transfer just to come to us, makes you feel good. So a deal is more likely for him than Gastons. Also, why aren't we bidding for maybe Curtis Davies or Richard Dawson, both good centre backs, and could def. do a job for us, just a thought.
re the last part of your post mate.
we don't now who the targets are and we could be in for any of those.seems that the club in general keep their cards close to their chests so we just have to be patient and see what turns up.

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upwherewebelong says...
12:42am Wed 22 Aug 12

as i've said before lets just ignore this story driven by "sources" in Italy and just focus on the only factual site for transfers which is the OS. IF this deal happens then fantastic and what a statement of intent if not lets just wait for the club to announce a confirmed transfer.

My concern is understanding why every season we always drag our feet so much. For once it would be great to have all our targets signed up ready for pre-season. Can't understand why we are so silly and wait so long. Surely it's not difficult.

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angus mc coatup says...
1:01am Wed 22 Aug 12

upwherewebelong wrote:
as i've said before lets just ignore this story driven by "sources" in Italy and just focus on the only factual site for transfers which is the OS. IF this deal happens then fantastic and what a statement of intent if not lets just wait for the club to announce a confirmed transfer.

My concern is understanding why every season we always drag our feet so much. For once it would be great to have all our targets signed up ready for pre-season. Can't understand why we are so silly and wait so long. Surely it's not difficult.
the reasons for our apparent lack of success in the market is I think driven by the fact that the chairman will not pay silly money and tries to broker a good deal for the club. this leads to some deals not being completed or other clubs coming in and paying daft fees.I can fully understand the frustrations but the long term future of sfc is in good hands.so it's evolution not revolution for the time being i'm afraid. but who knows, we could all be gasping at some mad arrivals before the window shuts. you never know!!!

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toonsaint says...
1:02am Wed 22 Aug 12

only1chopper wrote:
Tricky, we obviously want him, but to part with 12m is quite daunting, especially as we are not used to splashing that kind of cash. So for all parties concerned to sit down and agree is quite a task when 1 club still has 30% ownership. And with Philips, if holloway wasn't such a ****, then I think we would have done business, but it is quite good that someone has actually put in a transfer just to come to us, makes you feel good. So a deal is more likely for him than Gastons. Also, why aren't we bidding for maybe Curtis Davies or Richard Dawson, both good centre backs, and could def. do a job for us, just a thought.
Although he was a Hampshire lad, not sure 'Richard' Dawson would be of much to us anymore.

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Wish I could be there says...
1:28am Wed 22 Aug 12

Yes we all know we should wait for the OS to stop this anguish, yet we are all still here day in day out, reading paper talk is like smoking, you know it isn't good for you but still you put yourself through it everyday.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the new website by the way?

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montecristosaint says...
2:15am Wed 22 Aug 12

There is talk in Spain that Saints are after Christian Tello the Barcelona winger. Hes after first team football and in the final year of his contract.

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montecristosaint says...
2:20am Wed 22 Aug 12

Good news that Saints have agreed a deal with Penarol if this is in the form of a binding option or protocol will put NC in a good position to close deal with Bolonha who may not now be able to sit on the fence and see what happens with Modric given Spurs interest. Could yet happen.

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deepheat says...
2:50am Wed 22 Aug 12

I only hope the pressure does not get to Nigel Adkins especially if nothing comes of these signings. N A is already having to live with being the ­bookmakers’ favourite to be the first boss to be given the boot. Plus after Wigan we have Manchester United ( Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie) before travelling to Arsenal. N A has done wonders getting Saints into the prem league I just hope he doesn't crack under all the pressure that is coming his way and he shows the bookmakers that Saints mean business.

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dougspiano says...
3:39am Wed 22 Aug 12

blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Yeah, No idea why we don't just spend our full £90m. We'll have another £90m to spend next season. Let's buy Rooney.

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tbilisi saint carl says...
6:04am Wed 22 Aug 12

the revenue to clubs in premier league next year will be increased by 70%....
so we need stay in prem this season..

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bobbystokeslovechild says...
7:02am Wed 22 Aug 12

Rather have our transfer policy than qpr who just wade in with bundles of cash for overated players.
New os website is dogs dinner loads like connection is on dial up. Years gone by checked it 100 times a day for transfer updates now i wait for echo site or twitter

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Warsash patriot says...
7:04am Wed 22 Aug 12

tbilisi saint carl wrote:
the revenue to clubs in premier league next year will be increased by 70%....
so we need stay in prem this season..
Another reason why we should go for it we must get out of the habit of saying we cant afford it we cant afford not to.

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Warsash patriot says...
7:14am Wed 22 Aug 12

Reports coming through the media is that Bologna are in talks with Liverpool who are prepared to meet the asking price of 18m for Ramirez looks like all that effort has come to nothing

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bigfella777 says...
7:29am Wed 22 Aug 12

Cant help thinking if this was such a good deal he would have been snapped up by another club by now.We need to bring in some free players to put some depth in the squad when the injuries come thats all.

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mitch76 says...
7:29am Wed 22 Aug 12

blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
why is it everytime we try to sign someone there is always so much hassle? we missed out on Buttner because we couldnt agree something or other now he's gone to utd, it looks like the same is going to happpen now. if we want to stay in this league we have to buy top players so just spend the money and lets get some players in asap!!

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Hobson82 says...
7:44am Wed 22 Aug 12

If this doesn't happen then surely NC has a plan b, and if he does he will need to act quickly. I just hope things start to happen soon because I worry they will start to panic buy and invest in someone they haven't fully done their homework on. I would rather they took there time and buy the right players than rush into something.

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bigfella777 says...
7:47am Wed 22 Aug 12

i dont know why everyone is panicking, Saints almost embarrassed 1 of the top 5 teams in Europe last Sunday.

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Warsash patriot says...
7:48am Wed 22 Aug 12

bigfella777 wrote:
Cant help thinking if this was such a good deal he would have been snapped up by another club by now.We need to bring in some free players to put some depth in the squad when the injuries come thats all.
good players don't grow on trees my guess is that saints identify the players they want only for other rich clubs to sneak in and gazump us, maybe im being paranoid but it feels like the big boys don't want us to stay around too long as they don't want the status quo to be ruined

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Warsash patriot says...
7:50am Wed 22 Aug 12

bigfella777 wrote:
i dont know why everyone is panicking, Saints almost embarrassed 1 of the top 5 teams in Europe last Sunday.
sorry mate we lost

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george chivers says...
7:51am Wed 22 Aug 12

mitch76 wrote:
blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
why is it everytime we try to sign someone there is always so much hassle? we missed out on Buttner because we couldnt agree something or other now he's gone to utd, it looks like the same is going to happpen now. if we want to stay in this league we have to buy top players so just spend the money and lets get some players in asap!!
£50M of the £90M is parachute money if we get relegated. Payable over 4 years. But not payable if you get promoted again. And a good slug of the remaining £40M is TV money paid in instalments over the course of the season, proportional to the number of televised games we appear in.

So, nowhere near £90M really, especially if you don't get relegated.

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thehoggsback says...
7:52am Wed 22 Aug 12

Utd were watching Buttner for a few months Liverpool and Spurs need to offload a player or two first we've just forced them to pay a little bit more once there done we can move on to others targets unopposed do hope we get Phillips though coyr.

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St.Yorkie says...
7:53am Wed 22 Aug 12

The strange world of the football transfer - if I want something and I have the money for it, I'll shop around and get the best deal.
I know how much it should cost - and I go where I can get the best value. No different in the case of Ramirez. Italy has severe financial problems - so a football club like Bologna will be wanting the cash. If I can get what I want on an interest free basis without stumping out all at once I go for that - seems to me NC is doing exactly the same - because he can.
It's like a card game - the only difference is who has the bottle to see it through to 31st August - someone will have to back down. We are not desperate for him - but I believe Bologna needs the cash so they may buckle sooner rather than later.
On another note I understand Holloway was talking up our club after last nights game - so may be not such a bad move for Phillips after all? It will make it easier for him (Holoway) when he joins to say "Couldn't stop him - they are a brilliant club with ambition"!
Another day wondering if and when and who...hold on to that F5 key, it's going to be a long day!

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Warsash patriot says...
7:56am Wed 22 Aug 12

george chivers wrote:
mitch76 wrote:
blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
why is it everytime we try to sign someone there is always so much hassle? we missed out on Buttner because we couldnt agree something or other now he's gone to utd, it looks like the same is going to happpen now. if we want to stay in this league we have to buy top players so just spend the money and lets get some players in asap!!
£50M of the £90M is parachute money if we get relegated. Payable over 4 years. But not payable if you get promoted again. And a good slug of the remaining £40M is TV money paid in instalments over the course of the season, proportional to the number of televised games we appear in.

So, nowhere near £90M really, especially if you don't get relegated.
next year is the time you want to be in the premiership 70% more money available we would we not want to invest?

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seventh-junction says...
7:57am Wed 22 Aug 12

mitch76 wrote:
blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
why is it everytime we try to sign someone there is always so much hassle? we missed out on Buttner because we couldnt agree something or other now he's gone to utd, it looks like the same is going to happpen now. if we want to stay in this league we have to buy top players so just spend the money and lets get some players in asap!!
It sounds like Man Ure were the 3rd party involved in the deal and probably scuppered it. Ferguson and United have the tools to do so with the lure of the big club syndrome, lucrative contracts/wages and European football etc.
I just hope the same doesn't happen with Ramirez, Spuds and the Scousers

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Warsash patriot says...
8:08am Wed 22 Aug 12

9 days left of the transfer window we still need pace down the flanks and to strengthen at the back something will happen i am sure if not we will have to get back Martin and Seaborne and cling on till January

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bluewhiteandred says...
8:12am Wed 22 Aug 12

blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Ramirez if you sign him and he flops in the premier you would have spent money you need in other areas take a look at your poor Defence as MAN CITY game proved .

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thehoggsback says...
8:12am Wed 22 Aug 12

Ramirez will choose Spurs rather than saints and Bologna will prefer Liverpool over Spurs because they both pay over the odds Liverpool more than Spurs we wont get him but I'm not bothered there must be other targets makes you glad we have an academy with all this gazumping going on Red army foadp.

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Warsash patriot says...
8:17am Wed 22 Aug 12

bluewhiteandred wrote:
blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Ramirez if you sign him and he flops in the premier you would have spent money you need in other areas take a look at your poor Defence as MAN CITY game proved .
I hate to say this but you are right we need strength at the back and he is only one player but what a boost he would give us and the stadium would burst at the seems

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bullsbags says...
8:19am Wed 22 Aug 12

I would walk away but go all out for Phillips For every 1 good south Americans that come to this country there are 3 bad ones This year is about consolidation We could go for a Ramirez type player next year

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Warsash patriot says...
8:22am Wed 22 Aug 12

Thomas Ince would be the smarter move you never get less than 100% from him Phillips blows hot and cold

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saintsharp says...
8:24am Wed 22 Aug 12

This has got fhck up written all over it!!needs to be sorted along with the matt phillips deal or we are gonna end up losing out to the bigger clubs again aka buttner!!

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bullsbags says...
8:25am Wed 22 Aug 12

Fair comment. Why not both. That would really wind Holloway up ha

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Rising_Son says...
9:34am Wed 22 Aug 12

bluewhiteandred wrote:
blobster wrote:
we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Ramirez if you sign him and he flops in the premier you would have spent money you need in other areas take a look at your poor Defence as MAN CITY game proved .
Unfortunately bolstering the defence is likely to be extremely expensive now that ManCity are almost certainly in the market after letting in two goals in a match against a newly promoted team, including a goal by a well-known, overweight pie eater.

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bullsbags says...
9:40am Wed 22 Aug 12

A well known overweight pie eater you would die for Trot off to clarance pier little boy

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Red&WhiteStripes says...
10:00am Wed 22 Aug 12

The longer it all goes on the more likely we'll be gazumped! I see from other sources that Liverpool may be in the mix now too. I also note that Matt Dawson may be on his way out of Spurs? He would be a good signing - probably cost a bit though!

Only my opinion but can we stop having a go at Holloway over the Phillips affair. Just think back to how we have felt in the last few years when various Prem clubs have come after our players, Bale and AOC to name but two....He's only interested in ensuring the best return for Blackpool to the Prem and he did score for them last night! We may just have to up the offing a bit, that's all.

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Tony in Liberia says...
10:09am Wed 22 Aug 12

I would be willing to put my neck out and suggest that Rising Son was making a resonable stab at sarcasm there, and juxtaposing the impression outsiders try to give of Rickie as an overweight pie-eater with our perception of him as a chuffing football genius. Of course I could be wrong. He could, for instance, eat shedloads of pies for all I know when he's alone.

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Rising_Son says...
10:27am Wed 22 Aug 12

Tony in Liberia wrote:
I would be willing to put my neck out and suggest that Rising Son was making a resonable stab at sarcasm there, and juxtaposing the impression outsiders try to give of Rickie as an overweight pie-eater with our perception of him as a chuffing football genius. Of course I could be wrong. He could, for instance, eat shedloads of pies for all I know when he's alone.
Your neck is safe.

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SaintDon13 says...
10:45am Wed 22 Aug 12

Rising_Son wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
blobster wrote: we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Ramirez if you sign him and he flops in the premier you would have spent money you need in other areas take a look at your poor Defence as MAN CITY game proved .
Unfortunately bolstering the defence is likely to be extremely expensive now that ManCity are almost certainly in the market after letting in two goals in a match against a newly promoted team, including a goal by a well-known, overweight pie eater.
A small correction, a well known, formerly overweight, ex pie eater. This no longer applies.

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Rising_Son says...
10:48am Wed 22 Aug 12

SaintDon13 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
blobster wrote: we got 90 mil, just pay them and get it done and dusted
Ramirez if you sign him and he flops in the premier you would have spent money you need in other areas take a look at your poor Defence as MAN CITY game proved .
Unfortunately bolstering the defence is likely to be extremely expensive now that ManCity are almost certainly in the market after letting in two goals in a match against a newly promoted team, including a goal by a well-known, overweight pie eater.
A small correction, a well known, formerly overweight, ex pie eater. This no longer applies.
The blue few will not believe you, believe me!

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Stroppy_gramps says...
10:48am Wed 22 Aug 12

Ramirez will be a great signing if we can get him.

If we don't it won't be the end of the world. Just move on and continue playing great football in the Premier League.

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bluewhiteandred says...
9:55pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Ramirez will be a great signing if we can get him.

If we don't it won't be the end of the world. Just move on and continue playing great football in the Premier League.
Stroppy_gramps
Playing great football in the premiership
judged on on game ad you lost that ?

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