New boys will be stronger for baptism of fire

Daily Echo: Gaston Ramirez Gaston Ramirez

Nigel Adkins believes the performances of Maya Yoshida and Gaston Ramirez gives Saints plenty of hope for the future despite a 6-1 beating at Arsenal.

The new signings only joined up with their teammates for the first time at the end of last week after international games in Japan and Uruguay respectively.

Yoshida was pressed into a first-half appearance at the Emirates Stadium after Jos Hooiveld went off with a calf injury while Ramirez replaced Steven Davis at half time.

Adkins was pleased with what he saw and excited about the prospect of fielding them once they have had to recover from their travels and settle into life at the club.

He said: “We lost Jos Hooiveld after a period of time with a calf injury and Maya has only had one training session with us having just come back from Japan and so he was thrown right in at the deep end.

“I must say I thought he did ever so well as he grew into the game but it’s not easy because he’s got to get to know his teammates.

“The positive side of it is that we brought Gaston Ramirez in who trained with us for the first time on Friday night having been in Uruguay and you can just see what a quality football player he is going to be for us at Southampton so we are pleased about that.

“If anything we have had the addition of a few more players, we have a good week’s training lined up where we can get the group together in preparation for the next game and that’s where we’ve got to start now looking to pick up the points at home at St Mary’s.

“The crowd was superb again, singing the whole way through, the crowd was superb at St Mary’s and then again here and although the scoreline wasn’t what we wanted when you saw some of the play in the second half we actually did keep good possession of the football but the scoreline is beyond you and it is about winning.”

Hooiveld had been touch and go for the game after struggling with calf for a few days but was declared fit to play.

However, on this occasion it didn’t hold up and Saints now face an anxious wait to see how serious the problem is.

“We will have to see,” said a rueful Adkins.

“It is a calf injury and he couldn’t continue, he had to come off, so we will assess that one.

“Maya was thrown straight in at the deep end not really knowing any of the players and I must say he grew in confidence as the second half went on.”

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9:40am Mon 17 Sep 12

insane saint says...

well that is this weekend done, looking forward to next weekend things always look different after a win against the villa.

split house next week for SFCOLDBOY Her in doors is a villa fan.. happy times pops.
well that is this weekend done, looking forward to next weekend things always look different after a win against the villa. split house next week for SFCOLDBOY Her in doors is a villa fan.. happy times pops. insane saint

9:51am Mon 17 Sep 12

Harold K Steptoe says...

Buttner, if only.
Buttner, if only. Harold K Steptoe

9:59am Mon 17 Sep 12

southamptonwayne says...

Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward. southamptonwayne

10:17am Mon 17 Sep 12

St.David says...

I think Nigel is right to be optimistic. It has been a tough start but we always new it was going to be. It is essential we now start picking up points. A win at the weekend will make all the difference. You can already see the divisions with the premier league and we certainly do not fit into the bottom half the way we have played against the big two. I genuinely think we can finish mid table which will be a great place to push on from next year!!!!. . .coyrs
I think Nigel is right to be optimistic. It has been a tough start but we always new it was going to be. It is essential we now start picking up points. A win at the weekend will make all the difference. You can already see the divisions with the premier league and we certainly do not fit into the bottom half the way we have played against the big two. I genuinely think we can finish mid table which will be a great place to push on from next year!!!!. . .coyrs St.David

10:34am Mon 17 Sep 12

malcher says...

We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him.
While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them.
Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday.
We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will.
COYR
We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him. While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them. Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday. We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will. COYR malcher

10:34am Mon 17 Sep 12

Mad Mike says...

All encouraging spin. The question of substance is whether there are defenders and goalie in the squad who have the ability and who can gel together to reverse the alarming leaking of goals. 14 in 4 even including 3 out of top six is unacceptable - everyone knows Hansen is right.
All encouraging spin. The question of substance is whether there are defenders and goalie in the squad who have the ability and who can gel together to reverse the alarming leaking of goals. 14 in 4 even including 3 out of top six is unacceptable - everyone knows Hansen is right. Mad Mike

10:37am Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
[quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind? Seedhouse the Unrepentant

10:42am Mon 17 Sep 12

Alicesdad says...

This mornings comments across all threads have been largely positive and rightly so. This is good to see.

The usual doom merchants will scatter their bad seed and no doubt pick up momentum as the week passes. Boredom does that to people.

I don't care. I'm just glad that the true support is as strong as ever and that the many positive things that are happening at this club are acknowledged and appreciated.

Adkins, you are a top man, stay firm, hold on to those principles. The undoubted quality of the teams you create will be recognised by the end of this season.
This mornings comments across all threads have been largely positive and rightly so. This is good to see. The usual doom merchants will scatter their bad seed and no doubt pick up momentum as the week passes. Boredom does that to people. I don't care. I'm just glad that the true support is as strong as ever and that the many positive things that are happening at this club are acknowledged and appreciated. Adkins, you are a top man, stay firm, hold on to those principles. The undoubted quality of the teams you create will be recognised by the end of this season. Alicesdad

10:52am Mon 17 Sep 12

Confucious says...

Ret both Yoshida and Tadanari Ree pray and we'll lip Virra to shleds!
Ret both Yoshida and Tadanari Ree pray and we'll lip Virra to shleds! Confucious

10:56am Mon 17 Sep 12

southamptonwayne says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind. southamptonwayne

11:07am Mon 17 Sep 12

insane saint says...

go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss
go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss insane saint

11:18am Mon 17 Sep 12

Dickosfc says...

Agree about this being a very steep learning curve for Nigel. I love the guy and really hope he gets it right. I still feel slightly optimistic but whichever way I try to dress things up the fact that we’ve conceded 14 goals in 4 matches still brings out a lot of realism for me. There’s no doubt we’re scoring and gonna continue to score goals but our defending has been dire! In the Championship you can get away with lapses of concentration but in the Premier league you get punished, simple!

I’m sure this will be the main focal point for this week’s training and with the help of our new players being embedded this HAS to come good. I know one thing for sure, come Saturday I will be fully behind the boys and prey everyone else is!!
Agree about this being a very steep learning curve for Nigel. I love the guy and really hope he gets it right. I still feel slightly optimistic but whichever way I try to dress things up the fact that we’ve conceded 14 goals in 4 matches still brings out a lot of realism for me. There’s no doubt we’re scoring and gonna continue to score goals but our defending has been dire! In the Championship you can get away with lapses of concentration but in the Premier league you get punished, simple! I’m sure this will be the main focal point for this week’s training and with the help of our new players being embedded this HAS to come good. I know one thing for sure, come Saturday I will be fully behind the boys and prey everyone else is!! Dickosfc

11:33am Mon 17 Sep 12

dmaceymacleod says...

southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
[quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench! dmaceymacleod

11:43am Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

The weekends result was a wake up call that we didnt really need. This is probably the toughest league in the world and we are right amongst it.
Two of our first three games gave us a good idea of what we can do against the top teams, and the new players need to play themselves in, and the investments we have made WILL make our team a better team.
Stability and strength needs to come from the spine though from Keeper through to the striker
So Ricky, Ramirez/Davis, Yoshida/Jos, and Kelvin need to step up.
The weekends result was a wake up call that we didnt really need. This is probably the toughest league in the world and we are right amongst it. Two of our first three games gave us a good idea of what we can do against the top teams, and the new players need to play themselves in, and the investments we have made WILL make our team a better team. Stability and strength needs to come from the spine though from Keeper through to the striker So Ricky, Ramirez/Davis, Yoshida/Jos, and Kelvin need to step up. SaintMax

11:46am Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

11:49am Mon 17 Sep 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Buttner, if only.
i don't know about Buttner but i reckon we just as well have BILLY BUNTER in goal for us.at least he would fiil the goal with his ample girth.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Buttner, if only.[/p][/quote]i don't know about Buttner but i reckon we just as well have BILLY BUNTER in goal for us.at least he would fiil the goal with his ample girth. CB FRY LIVES

11:51am Mon 17 Sep 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

All the new signings will need a bit of time to settle in.in the meantime how about playing Jack Cork and Tadanari Lee.
All the new signings will need a bit of time to settle in.in the meantime how about playing Jack Cork and Tadanari Lee. CB FRY LIVES

11:56am Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually ).... MGRA

11:56am Mon 17 Sep 12

southamptonwayne says...

I heard from another media site that nearly every goal we've conceded (barring the free kick) have all been scored by beating KD at his near post. I agree with you he's been great for us over the past few years, but it is time to improve in between the sticks.

Gazzaniga has a great passing range and his distribution looks good, I just think he lacks the experience at the moment, but you have to start somewhere and hopefully he'll be a bargain buy and surprise us all.

I back all the players, but we have to be playing the best 11 possible, and thats based on form as well as ability.

Perhaps we should play 4 at the back (NC, MY, JH, LS ), 2 holding midfielders (JC, MS), 2 wingers (AL, GR), 1 central attacking midfielder (JR or EM) just behind 1 striker (RL). with Lallana, Ramirez swapping sides during the game.

This should giving the defence better cover too, and the players on the bench would be amazing as impact players!

But we're all armchair managers aren't we? lol!!

I'm sure Nigel will adapt and come out of this stronger, which means the team and the club will be in a much better place!

Let's all get behind the mighty Saints!
I heard from another media site that nearly every goal we've conceded (barring the free kick) have all been scored by beating KD at his near post. I agree with you he's been great for us over the past few years, but it is time to improve in between the sticks. Gazzaniga has a great passing range and his distribution looks good, I just think he lacks the experience at the moment, but you have to start somewhere and hopefully he'll be a bargain buy and surprise us all. I back all the players, but we have to be playing the best 11 possible, and thats based on form as well as ability. Perhaps we should play 4 at the back (NC, MY, JH, LS ), 2 holding midfielders (JC, MS), 2 wingers (AL, GR), 1 central attacking midfielder (JR or EM) just behind 1 striker (RL). with Lallana, Ramirez swapping sides during the game. This should giving the defence better cover too, and the players on the bench would be amazing as impact players! But we're all armchair managers aren't we? lol!! I'm sure Nigel will adapt and come out of this stronger, which means the team and the club will be in a much better place! Let's all get behind the mighty Saints! southamptonwayne

11:59am Mon 17 Sep 12

southamptonwayne says...

dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
I heard from another media site that nearly every goal we've conceded (barring the free kick) have all been scored by beating KD at his near post. I agree with you he's been great for us over the past few years, but it is time to improve in between the sticks.

Gazzaniga has a great passing range and his distribution looks good, I just think he lacks the experience at the moment, but you have to start somewhere and hopefully he'll be a bargain buy and surprise us all.

I back all the players, but we have to be playing the best 11 possible, and thats based on form as well as ability.

Perhaps we should play 4 at the back (NC, MY, JH, LS ), 2 holding midfielders (JC, MS), 2 wingers (AL, GR), 1 central attacking midfielder (JR or EM) just behind 1 striker (RL). with Lallana, Ramirez swapping sides during the game.

This should giving the defence better cover too, and the players on the bench would be amazing as impact players!

But we're all armchair managers aren't we? lol!!

I'm sure Nigel will adapt and come out of this stronger, which means the team and the club will be in a much better place!

Let's all get behind the mighty Saints!”
[quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]I heard from another media site that nearly every goal we've conceded (barring the free kick) have all been scored by beating KD at his near post. I agree with you he's been great for us over the past few years, but it is time to improve in between the sticks. Gazzaniga has a great passing range and his distribution looks good, I just think he lacks the experience at the moment, but you have to start somewhere and hopefully he'll be a bargain buy and surprise us all. I back all the players, but we have to be playing the best 11 possible, and thats based on form as well as ability. Perhaps we should play 4 at the back (NC, MY, JH, LS ), 2 holding midfielders (JC, MS), 2 wingers (AL, GR), 1 central attacking midfielder (JR or EM) just behind 1 striker (RL). with Lallana, Ramirez swapping sides during the game. This should giving the defence better cover too, and the players on the bench would be amazing as impact players! But we're all armchair managers aren't we? lol!! I'm sure Nigel will adapt and come out of this stronger, which means the team and the club will be in a much better place! Let's all get behind the mighty Saints!” southamptonwayne

12:00pm Mon 17 Sep 12

St Forlife says...

Was at the game Saturday and yes it was a hard thing to swallow. But you don't get relegated just because you lose to Arsenal, Man C and Man U. You do if you can't defend properly however and if we don't get it right soon then the trouble will start.

However there are many games coming up which on paper are more evenly matched and with our attacking and ball quality we will certainly see some points ticking up.

As for goalies - pretty much every team is saying they need a new goalie - we have what we have and yes KD is a bit small etc but let's just get on with it. Play to his strengths and defend as a team.

Villa will not be an easy game - we need a clean sheet more than a victory right now. I'd rather see us 0-0 next sat or winning 1-0 and seeing that some training ground work has gone into the defensive side of things. A solid defence gives the midfield confidence to play in front of them so let's re-group, analise what went wrong, fix it and then come out fighting.

We should be like Ben Ainsley now - angry - very very angry.

COYR
Was at the game Saturday and yes it was a hard thing to swallow. But you don't get relegated just because you lose to Arsenal, Man C and Man U. You do if you can't defend properly however and if we don't get it right soon then the trouble will start. However there are many games coming up which on paper are more evenly matched and with our attacking and ball quality we will certainly see some points ticking up. As for goalies - pretty much every team is saying they need a new goalie - we have what we have and yes KD is a bit small etc but let's just get on with it. Play to his strengths and defend as a team. Villa will not be an easy game - we need a clean sheet more than a victory right now. I'd rather see us 0-0 next sat or winning 1-0 and seeing that some training ground work has gone into the defensive side of things. A solid defence gives the midfield confidence to play in front of them so let's re-group, analise what went wrong, fix it and then come out fighting. We should be like Ben Ainsley now - angry - very very angry. COYR St Forlife

12:01pm Mon 17 Sep 12

warrens 76 says...

It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore....

I do not want the manager to go, nor the
quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts...

We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield.

KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger.
It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore.... I do not want the manager to go, nor the quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts... We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield. KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger. warrens 76

12:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Confucious says...

Bad news for Nigel.

I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?"
Bad news for Nigel. I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?" Confucious

12:34pm Mon 17 Sep 12

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
Bad news for Nigel.

I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?"
And what did Lawrie McMenemy say?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Bad news for Nigel. I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?"[/p][/quote]And what did Lawrie McMenemy say? george chivers

12:40pm Mon 17 Sep 12

loosehead says...

So he didn't see anything wrong with the defence then?
blame these two players for having jet lag?
so let's see if once over it if we can win enough games to stay up or will another reason be found for giving early christmas presents away in defence?
So he didn't see anything wrong with the defence then? blame these two players for having jet lag? so let's see if once over it if we can win enough games to stay up or will another reason be found for giving early christmas presents away in defence? loosehead

1:19pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Tongdii says...

warrens 76 wrote:
It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore....

I do not want the manager to go, nor the
quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts...

We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield.

KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger.
Could not agree more Warrens 76, we can do nothing about new defenders until January.
What we can do however is employ an ex premier player like Tony Adams to train up our defence.

After seeing Ramirez's second half performance I am convinced he is just the boy to turn our fortunes round.

Another thought, apart from us there still another six teams in the premier league that have not won a match so far this year.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore.... I do not want the manager to go, nor the quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts... We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield. KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more Warrens 76, we can do nothing about new defenders until January. What we can do however is employ an ex premier player like Tony Adams to train up our defence. After seeing Ramirez's second half performance I am convinced he is just the boy to turn our fortunes round. Another thought, apart from us there still another six teams in the premier league that have not won a match so far this year. Tongdii

1:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

MGRA wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....[/p][/quote]But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now! Seedhouse the Unrepentant

1:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

dennytg says...

I have long been a critic of K. Davis. I have been shouted down especially when we were in League 1.
Having seen many keepers, I am concerned about his lack of height, his angles for covering the near post and his decision making. When he does things on instinct he is a great shot stopper, but when he has to make decisions to carry out an aspect of defence he seems to dither.
A lot of this was not apparent when he had a good defence in front of him in League 1 and the Championship.
Artur Boruc is available after being released by Fiorintina and is now a free agent. A number of Premiership managers are looking at him. It's time for Saints to have a punt.
I have long been a critic of K. Davis. I have been shouted down especially when we were in League 1. Having seen many keepers, I am concerned about his lack of height, his angles for covering the near post and his decision making. When he does things on instinct he is a great shot stopper, but when he has to make decisions to carry out an aspect of defence he seems to dither. A lot of this was not apparent when he had a good defence in front of him in League 1 and the Championship. Artur Boruc is available after being released by Fiorintina and is now a free agent. A number of Premiership managers are looking at him. It's time for Saints to have a punt. dennytg

1:29pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Bad news for Nigel.

I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?"
And what did Lawrie McMenemy say?
He said he was now watching Poopey as his doctor had told him to avoid any excitement.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Bad news for Nigel. I was in Waitrose this morning and Nicola went up to an old boy who was struggling with his bags and said "Can you manage Sir?"[/p][/quote]And what did Lawrie McMenemy say?[/p][/quote]He said he was now watching Poopey as his doctor had told him to avoid any excitement. Confucious

1:38pm Mon 17 Sep 12

up saints says...

i don't understand why martin is on loan shaw has not be given a start at left back and no sign of tandarie lee have i missed somthing?
i don't understand why martin is on loan shaw has not be given a start at left back and no sign of tandarie lee have i missed somthing? up saints

1:41pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Redrobbo says...

Far too early to panic. We have been niave defensively.
I think Jack Cork next to Morgan in the middle will give the defence extra cover. That said Gervinho's first goal was almost identical to Tevez's, Kelvin beaten at the near post diving the wrong way. Also the free kick although hit well was in the middle of the goal, I would expect a premiership goalkeeper to have saved it. So goalkeeping is an issue. I also think that we fail to track runners, Arsenal were getting behind us time after tiome because no one tracked back. Ward Prowse is a great prospect but is still learning his craft. I think middle four had to be Davis,Cork, Morgan and Adam. Ramirex should play just behind Ricke at SMS and either Jay Rod or Lee away. I think we need to start defending from the front and with the best will in the world I do not think Rickie has the mobility to play that role. Despite Adam being made captain and getting into the England squad I am still not convinced he will make a great impression in the Premiership.I know I will get slated for the last comment but I think everyone of our players has to prove they are good enough to play at this level, the gap between the Championship and the Premiership is immense. Switch off for a second and you will get punished, we have seen that in each of the 4 games to date.
Far too early to panic. We have been niave defensively. I think Jack Cork next to Morgan in the middle will give the defence extra cover. That said Gervinho's first goal was almost identical to Tevez's, Kelvin beaten at the near post diving the wrong way. Also the free kick although hit well was in the middle of the goal, I would expect a premiership goalkeeper to have saved it. So goalkeeping is an issue. I also think that we fail to track runners, Arsenal were getting behind us time after tiome because no one tracked back. Ward Prowse is a great prospect but is still learning his craft. I think middle four had to be Davis,Cork, Morgan and Adam. Ramirex should play just behind Ricke at SMS and either Jay Rod or Lee away. I think we need to start defending from the front and with the best will in the world I do not think Rickie has the mobility to play that role. Despite Adam being made captain and getting into the England squad I am still not convinced he will make a great impression in the Premiership.I know I will get slated for the last comment but I think everyone of our players has to prove they are good enough to play at this level, the gap between the Championship and the Premiership is immense. Switch off for a second and you will get punished, we have seen that in each of the 4 games to date. Redrobbo

1:53pm Mon 17 Sep 12

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now!
If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence.

So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back.

If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs.

Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation.

We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida?

And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them?

Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me.

In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....[/p][/quote]But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now![/p][/quote]If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence. So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back. If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs. Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation. We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida? And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them? Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me. In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like. george chivers

2:11pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Redrobbo says...

All in all it could be a lot worse.We could be losing at home to Walsall in the Third Division, with the very real possibility of going out of business any time soon.
We have come a long way in a very short period of time, and we should not beat ourselves up too much. I just hope that NC keeps faith with NA and that our over achievement last season does not make the Don trigger happy. Once more in the press they are talking about a certain twitchy faced Judas becoming Manager of the Saints. I do not see that being a marriage made in heaven!
All in all it could be a lot worse.We could be losing at home to Walsall in the Third Division, with the very real possibility of going out of business any time soon. We have come a long way in a very short period of time, and we should not beat ourselves up too much. I just hope that NC keeps faith with NA and that our over achievement last season does not make the Don trigger happy. Once more in the press they are talking about a certain twitchy faced Judas becoming Manager of the Saints. I do not see that being a marriage made in heaven! Redrobbo

2:13pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Costa Baz says...

dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for?

In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season.

From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne.
1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side.

With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in.
What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them.
Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking.
I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.
[quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for? In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season. From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne. 1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side. With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in. What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them. Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking. I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing. Costa Baz

2:17pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintshorse101 says...

the usuall doomsters are on here again then,
every story gets the same posts from them!
KD is too old and not good enough,
the defence is weak and has not been strengthend, and they are the only ones who saw it! why cant everyone else.
NA will be gone by this time next week.
NC does not know what hes doing and would not spend "HIS" money.
we should get new players in now.
we will be down by christmas and you saw it here first!
oh and ted bates and big mac are gods and would have stood up to NC its a shame Adkins hasnt got the balls to!

can we just get a few things straight once and for all!
1 we cant buy or loan anyone! i know, but posting that we need to strengthen everyday wont change that
2, we brought in 2 international defenders in the window, a japanese CB and a English u21 RB ( i think you call that strengthening!).
3, yes we have let in a lot of goals, but that will change when the new players bed in. KD is not too old and once the defence gets sorted (yoshida) will look a lot better in goal.
4 saying NC wouldnt spend money is just wrong we spent £30mill on players this summer.
5, its NOT NC`s money!
6, if we get relegated then so be it! what is the other option spending more than weve got in a vain attempt to stay up? who else did that and look at them now!
7, no one on here knows who else we tried but failed to sign. so dont keep saying they didnt try to get the right players.
8, no one on here knows the working relationship between NC and NA. dont keep posting your assumption as facts!

still could be worse we could be poopey.
i think, and this is just my opinion and not fact, that NA is safe for a while, NC would have known that the first few games where tough.
and if gaston plays against villa from the start and is as good as he was against the arse then surely we must be looking good for some points.
the usuall doomsters are on here again then, every story gets the same posts from them! KD is too old and not good enough, the defence is weak and has not been strengthend, and they are the only ones who saw it! why cant everyone else. NA will be gone by this time next week. NC does not know what hes doing and would not spend "HIS" money. we should get new players in now. we will be down by christmas and you saw it here first! oh and ted bates and big mac are gods and would have stood up to NC its a shame Adkins hasnt got the balls to! can we just get a few things straight once and for all! 1 we cant buy or loan anyone! i know, but posting that we need to strengthen everyday wont change that 2, we brought in 2 international defenders in the window, a japanese CB and a English u21 RB ( i think you call that strengthening!). 3, yes we have let in a lot of goals, but that will change when the new players bed in. KD is not too old and once the defence gets sorted (yoshida) will look a lot better in goal. 4 saying NC wouldnt spend money is just wrong we spent £30mill on players this summer. 5, its NOT NC`s money! 6, if we get relegated then so be it! what is the other option spending more than weve got in a vain attempt to stay up? who else did that and look at them now! 7, no one on here knows who else we tried but failed to sign. so dont keep saying they didnt try to get the right players. 8, no one on here knows the working relationship between NC and NA. dont keep posting your assumption as facts! still could be worse we could be poopey. i think, and this is just my opinion and not fact, that NA is safe for a while, NC would have known that the first few games where tough. and if gaston plays against villa from the start and is as good as he was against the arse then surely we must be looking good for some points. saintshorse101

2:26pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Dyneley says...

It's sure been a tough welcome to the big league. But we all need to remain positive and back the team in. If we are still bottom with zero points at the begining of December then we can all legitimately question NA's tactics, KD's goalkeeping abilities and scream loudly for January transfer action. But I'm sure a couple of wins in the next few games will see the sun shining again. COYR
It's sure been a tough welcome to the big league. But we all need to remain positive and back the team in. If we are still bottom with zero points at the begining of December then we can all legitimately question NA's tactics, KD's goalkeeping abilities and scream loudly for January transfer action. But I'm sure a couple of wins in the next few games will see the sun shining again. COYR Dyneley

2:28pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now!
If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence.

So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back.

If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs.

Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation.

We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida?

And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them?

Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me.

In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like.
Thanks for that George. Can you give me the same quick overview of the purpose of 4-5-1? Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....[/p][/quote]But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now![/p][/quote]If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence. So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back. If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs. Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation. We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida? And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them? Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me. In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that George. Can you give me the same quick overview of the purpose of 4-5-1? Cheers. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

2:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre.
.. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away..
I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre. .. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away.. SaintMax

2:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now!
but it does not work against very well organised teams, it just means the striker gets isolated and usually 3 midfielders play too deep because there is too often a free defender/midfielder to run at them unmarked further into the play. 4-4-2 still allows the deeper striker ( usually Lambert I guess to drift a bit ) but it more importantly means your midfield 4 play as a tighter unit and there is less confusion when fullbacks over run etc etc etc. also for a squad of new players 4-4-2 is much easier to maintain a good shape. Fewer variables and for me its the way forward until like I say they all get to know each other and then the formation adapts accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....[/p][/quote]But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now![/p][/quote]but it does not work against very well organised teams, it just means the striker gets isolated and usually 3 midfielders play too deep because there is too often a free defender/midfielder to run at them unmarked further into the play. 4-4-2 still allows the deeper striker ( usually Lambert I guess to drift a bit ) but it more importantly means your midfield 4 play as a tighter unit and there is less confusion when fullbacks over run etc etc etc. also for a squad of new players 4-4-2 is much easier to maintain a good shape. Fewer variables and for me its the way forward until like I say they all get to know each other and then the formation adapts accordingly. MGRA

2:47pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2.

Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem...

I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.
For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....
But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now!
If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence.

So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back.

If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs.

Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation.

We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida?

And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them?

Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me.

In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like.
it does not always mean you attack with 2-4-4 , if the full back over laps then the deeper striker sits in "the hole" and the holding midfield player covers the full back part of the field left free in case of a counter... Its why I think 4-4-2 is perfect for the players we have. More so than most other teams in the Prem.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I am no tactical genius but I do know that sticking to 4-4-2 has been given by many pundits as the reason behind England's dire performance over the years and I do know that the worlds top sides at club or international level don't play 4-4-2. Nigel has always been prepared to switch formations during a match, often several times, and usually to good success - that's why we're in the Prem... I've googled Craig Gordon and he does sound a class act but his career has been destroyed by injuries, a massive list! Not sure if that's the way forward.[/p][/quote]For saints, with loads of new players and the need to keep the ball more , we have to play a simple 4-4-2. Once the squad has matured then of course the formation will lend itself to variance but as much as rate NA, I think his positional tactics need simplifying. All thi talk about defenders and a goalie not upto the Prem, but I see it differently, I have seen 4 games where not keeping the ball enough in midfield let to too much pressure on the defence. I think this was perfectly illustrated in the Manure game. The other good thing about 4-4-2 is that its easy to create from width without getting caught and hit on the break ( usually )....[/p][/quote]But I thought the whole point of 4-5-1 was about keeping the ball and controlling midfield? I thought the criticism of it compared to 4-4-2 was that it was less exciting to watch due to not so much rampaging forward? I'm all confused now![/p][/quote]If you use 4-4-2 with attacking full backs then it becomes 2-4-4 in attack and 4-4-2 in defence. So when on the attack the ball is pressed in the opposition half if possession is lost which gives one full back the time to get back and create a temporary back 3 until the other one gets back to make it a back 4. Risk is without really quick full backs you get caught with only two at the back. If you play it without attacking full backs or with only one attacking full then it can become turgid if the wide mid-fielders can't get by the opposition full backs. Our problem is our central mid-fielders aren't quick enough against quick passing 1 and 2 touch teams such as Arsenal. This puts pressure on our "not up to PL standard" CB's and LB regardless of the formation. We will have to see what happens against the likes of Villa and Everton when the new boys are on the park from the start. Will we have more of the ball in mid-field with Ramireze playing which will relieve the pressure on the defence? And will the defence be stiffened and under less pressure with the introduction of Yoshida? And would it be better to start with Rodriguez who is younger and more mobile than Ricky and would be better at defending from the front. Then introduce Ricky in the second half after we had done a containing job on them? Who knows? Answers on a postcard please to Confucious who will give you a more entertaining answer than me. In the meantime stick with 4-5-1 and see what the new players are like.[/p][/quote]it does not always mean you attack with 2-4-4 , if the full back over laps then the deeper striker sits in "the hole" and the holding midfield player covers the full back part of the field left free in case of a counter... Its why I think 4-4-2 is perfect for the players we have. More so than most other teams in the Prem. MGRA

2:54pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Barcelona Saint says...

I blame the kit. We need stripes again. How are we gonna win without our red n white?? Plain kits just don't work properly.

Actually I blame Guly. He's at fault for everything. We've lost all because of him. Oh no, he didn't play on Saturday!

I blame the weather. If it's raining, how are we supposed to win?! I mean...

No, maybe the ref. He shouldve given us more, plus a pen against Man U.
It's not fair!

We can't blame anyone or anything! The team as a whole have got to do their job and we have to support them! They'll take a while to adapt to this pace, style and gel. I was pee'd off Saturday but hey, we've got to get on with it.
Dust themselves down and on to the next one!

UPS!!
I blame the kit. We need stripes again. How are we gonna win without our red n white?? Plain kits just don't work properly. Actually I blame Guly. He's at fault for everything. We've lost all because of him. Oh no, he didn't play on Saturday! I blame the weather. If it's raining, how are we supposed to win?! I mean... No, maybe the ref. He shouldve given us more, plus a pen against Man U. It's not fair! We can't blame anyone or anything! The team as a whole have got to do their job and we have to support them! They'll take a while to adapt to this pace, style and gel. I was pee'd off Saturday but hey, we've got to get on with it. Dust themselves down and on to the next one! UPS!! Barcelona Saint

2:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times.
If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

3:03pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

And why did Nigel spend pre season getting the team ready for 4-5-1 if it's not the way forward? Unless you think he's got the tactics wrong, but he's in good company if he has.
And why did Nigel spend pre season getting the team ready for 4-5-1 if it's not the way forward? Unless you think he's got the tactics wrong, but he's in good company if he has. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

3:27pm Mon 17 Sep 12

st1halo says...

Its easy to criricise the defenders but in my opinion when you let in 6 goals you are not defending as a team. We all know that our defence has its frailties and Im sure KD isnt happy with his performances but this hasnt been helped by the midfield inviting pressure. Giving the ball away cheaply is something we have done for some time now and needs work.
Its gonna be a tough old season but hey....WE ARE PREMIER LEAGUE

STID
Its easy to criricise the defenders but in my opinion when you let in 6 goals you are not defending as a team. We all know that our defence has its frailties and Im sure KD isnt happy with his performances but this hasnt been helped by the midfield inviting pressure. Giving the ball away cheaply is something we have done for some time now and needs work. Its gonna be a tough old season but hey....WE ARE PREMIER LEAGUE STID st1halo

3:27pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

lets take a look at this nigels way last 2 season has been keep the ball pass from the back controll the game .by playing prowse he his telling us we have a big problem in midfield .davis looks no better then hammond so far ,yet we sent him on loan .got more strikers and then sent sharp out on loan .without even trying him,when we could of kept him and just added more quality in midfield defense,does make you wonder .i know we wanted buttner .we could of got bridge and played fox in front of him,would of ben like he was with marsden ,puncheon and clyne look promising .but clyne is not ready for the premier league ,so maybe the wings is making fonte and hoovield and davis look worse ,that is what i think ,but arsenal have pace everywhere the result did not surprise me
lets take a look at this nigels way last 2 season has been keep the ball pass from the back controll the game .by playing prowse he his telling us we have a big problem in midfield .davis looks no better then hammond so far ,yet we sent him on loan .got more strikers and then sent sharp out on loan .without even trying him,when we could of kept him and just added more quality in midfield defense,does make you wonder .i know we wanted buttner .we could of got bridge and played fox in front of him,would of ben like he was with marsden ,puncheon and clyne look promising .but clyne is not ready for the premier league ,so maybe the wings is making fonte and hoovield and davis look worse ,that is what i think ,but arsenal have pace everywhere the result did not surprise me saintkenny

3:30pm Mon 17 Sep 12

brightday says...

Remember where we came from one hour from folding and now two and a half years later we are discussing playing against Arsenal what a journey keep the faith
Remember where we came from one hour from folding and now two and a half years later we are discussing playing against Arsenal what a journey keep the faith brightday

3:34pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

did you know in 1985 saints got 3 points out of first 6 games ,and come may finished 7th in the table ,fact
did you know in 1985 saints got 3 points out of first 6 games ,and come may finished 7th in the table ,fact saintkenny

3:41pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

I think over reflection of our opening fixtures being -9 goal difference is not a great surprise. How many of us truly thought we would lose by a single goal against the two Manchester sides?

Many people had us losing by 6 goals against Man City, so overall I don't think we are much worse off than expected when we saw the fixtures. OK, we all thought we should have got something from Wigan, to be fair it was not the lack of good play. Also, whilst Wigan are a side that we should look to beat, they have been on a great run leading from the back of last season where they were one of the top form teams.

I think we all looked at Man City, Man U and Arsenal as damage limitation, if we could get points then great, if not, lets try not to get thrashed. I think there will be a few teams that come off the back of playing the teams we have with worse goals conceded.

What I will state is that we can score goals and when the new signings settle we will look in better shape. We have got some good attacking flair, there are a lot of teams in the league that would like what we have in creativity and attacking options. Whilst many will point at our defense, we have actually signed two superb players to strengthen this.

Our side reminds me of the 80's under Chris Nicholl!! If the opponent score 3 we must score 4!!

Anyway, I still think NA will get us winning games..

For now, I would rather lose to Arsenal away 6-1 than lose at home to Walsall 2-1 any day of the week!!! ;0)
I think over reflection of our opening fixtures being -9 goal difference is not a great surprise. How many of us truly thought we would lose by a single goal against the two Manchester sides? Many people had us losing by 6 goals against Man City, so overall I don't think we are much worse off than expected when we saw the fixtures. OK, we all thought we should have got something from Wigan, to be fair it was not the lack of good play. Also, whilst Wigan are a side that we should look to beat, they have been on a great run leading from the back of last season where they were one of the top form teams. I think we all looked at Man City, Man U and Arsenal as damage limitation, if we could get points then great, if not, lets try not to get thrashed. I think there will be a few teams that come off the back of playing the teams we have with worse goals conceded. What I will state is that we can score goals and when the new signings settle we will look in better shape. We have got some good attacking flair, there are a lot of teams in the league that would like what we have in creativity and attacking options. Whilst many will point at our defense, we have actually signed two superb players to strengthen this. Our side reminds me of the 80's under Chris Nicholl!! If the opponent score 3 we must score 4!! Anyway, I still think NA will get us winning games.. For now, I would rather lose to Arsenal away 6-1 than lose at home to Walsall 2-1 any day of the week!!! ;0) randre

3:42pm Mon 17 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Buttner, if only.
I think the correct expression might be "gazumped"... who has been following our trail?...or which agents are hawking around and alerting others during dealing? (Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean that this isn't happening).
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Buttner, if only.[/p][/quote]I think the correct expression might be "gazumped"... who has been following our trail?...or which agents are hawking around and alerting others during dealing? (Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean that this isn't happening). batesieboy

3:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

up saints wrote:
i don't understand why martin is on loan shaw has not be given a start at left back and no sign of tandarie lee have i missed somthing?
yes,you aint the manageer.
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: i don't understand why martin is on loan shaw has not be given a start at left back and no sign of tandarie lee have i missed somthing?[/p][/quote]yes,you aint the manageer. angus mc coatup

3:50pm Mon 17 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

malcher wrote:
We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him.
While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them.
Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday.
We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will.
COYR
Theo and Ox kept a healthy distance!! We proceed on -3, because we needed to beat Wigan, even if the other 3 games went as expected. Really a must-win already, and it ain't gonna be easy! Villa will park the bus and hope to hit us sucker-style, just like Wigan did. Tricky, but not impossible if the guys step up.
[quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him. While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them. Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday. We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will. COYR[/p][/quote]Theo and Ox kept a healthy distance!! We proceed on -3, because we needed to beat Wigan, even if the other 3 games went as expected. Really a must-win already, and it ain't gonna be easy! Villa will park the bus and hope to hit us sucker-style, just like Wigan did. Tricky, but not impossible if the guys step up. batesieboy

3:54pm Mon 17 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

insane saint wrote:
go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss
Good shout.
[quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss[/p][/quote]Good shout. batesieboy

3:54pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Redrobbo says...

SaintMax wrote:
I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre. .. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away..
you have misred what I have said. I said Ramirez should play in the hole and at home we play Rickie and away we play Rodriguez or Lee as the striker away from home. I am a great supporter of what Rickie has achieved, i just believe he is not mobile enough to play as a lone striker away from home when we need someone to run the channels and work right across the front line to defend from the front. As for Lallana, time will tell but I have said for some time he might get found out at the top level, he is skilful but is he quick enough in thought and action. He is 24 years old and never played Premiership football, Ramirez is younger and an established International. Lallana like Rickie has done tremendously well for us over the past two season, but there is no room for sentiment in football. I hope beyond hope that they both prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre. .. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away..[/p][/quote]you have misred what I have said. I said Ramirez should play in the hole and at home we play Rickie and away we play Rodriguez or Lee as the striker away from home. I am a great supporter of what Rickie has achieved, i just believe he is not mobile enough to play as a lone striker away from home when we need someone to run the channels and work right across the front line to defend from the front. As for Lallana, time will tell but I have said for some time he might get found out at the top level, he is skilful but is he quick enough in thought and action. He is 24 years old and never played Premiership football, Ramirez is younger and an established International. Lallana like Rickie has done tremendously well for us over the past two season, but there is no room for sentiment in football. I hope beyond hope that they both prove me wrong. Redrobbo

4:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ventnorsaint says...

I totally agree with others in that we need a better goalkeeper and a left back, this was evident towards the end of last season when we " scraped " through to an automatic promotion place.
I just, genuinely, hope that, great chap, NA can cope at the highest level, time will tell BUT how much time?
I heard a rumour that Harry Redknapp is hovering, anyone else heard this?
Up the Saints.
I totally agree with others in that we need a better goalkeeper and a left back, this was evident towards the end of last season when we " scraped " through to an automatic promotion place. I just, genuinely, hope that, great chap, NA can cope at the highest level, time will tell BUT how much time? I heard a rumour that Harry Redknapp is hovering, anyone else heard this? Up the Saints. ventnorsaint

4:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintmicky says...

malcher wrote:
We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him.
While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them.
Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday.
We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will.
COYR
I couldn't agree more about the Ex Saints lads, they didn't have to come over to us but they did, it was a genuine gesture and not half-hearted more heart felt, it made up a bit for being in row 1 right by the corner flag!
[quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: We should have brought in someone, preferably a defender, with Prem experience. Much as I appreciate all Kelv has done for us I think its time for a change. His handling and possitional sense seems to have deserted him. While I still have every respect for NA and NC I do believe they slipped up in not strengthing us in defence. But, hey, where all learning, and I fully support them. Big respect to Theo and The Ox for saluting us fans at the end on Saturday. We have to beat Villa now, and I'm sure, if we get behind them and remain positive, we will. COYR[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more about the Ex Saints lads, they didn't have to come over to us but they did, it was a genuine gesture and not half-hearted more heart felt, it made up a bit for being in row 1 right by the corner flag! saintmicky

4:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

Redrobbo wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre. .. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away..
you have misred what I have said. I said Ramirez should play in the hole and at home we play Rickie and away we play Rodriguez or Lee as the striker away from home. I am a great supporter of what Rickie has achieved, i just believe he is not mobile enough to play as a lone striker away from home when we need someone to run the channels and work right across the front line to defend from the front. As for Lallana, time will tell but I have said for some time he might get found out at the top level, he is skilful but is he quick enough in thought and action. He is 24 years old and never played Premiership football, Ramirez is younger and an established International. Lallana like Rickie has done tremendously well for us over the past two season, but there is no room for sentiment in football. I hope beyond hope that they both prove me wrong.
We are all entitled to our opinion, and I can see where your coming from.
IMO away from home we need someone up front who can hold the ball up to give the defence time to regroup and pass the ball onto a midfield player coming onto the ball.
Again IMO a lone striker 'running the channels' and 'working across the front' will soon get tired and despondent - AKA Rooney for the odd England performance. Five across the middle or a striker playing in the hole will work playing off a target striker who holds up and plays the way he is facing.
[quote][p][bold]Redrobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: I blame Fox and Kelvin. If either would have used their combined experience to know it was going to rain, I would have got the washing in and the Mrs wouldnt need to kick my asre. .. as for the poster suggesting Ricky and Adam arent good enough for this division and Ramirez should play tucked in behind Ricky only when we are at home to sit on the bench when we are away..[/p][/quote]you have misred what I have said. I said Ramirez should play in the hole and at home we play Rickie and away we play Rodriguez or Lee as the striker away from home. I am a great supporter of what Rickie has achieved, i just believe he is not mobile enough to play as a lone striker away from home when we need someone to run the channels and work right across the front line to defend from the front. As for Lallana, time will tell but I have said for some time he might get found out at the top level, he is skilful but is he quick enough in thought and action. He is 24 years old and never played Premiership football, Ramirez is younger and an established International. Lallana like Rickie has done tremendously well for us over the past two season, but there is no room for sentiment in football. I hope beyond hope that they both prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]We are all entitled to our opinion, and I can see where your coming from. IMO away from home we need someone up front who can hold the ball up to give the defence time to regroup and pass the ball onto a midfield player coming onto the ball. Again IMO a lone striker 'running the channels' and 'working across the front' will soon get tired and despondent - AKA Rooney for the odd England performance. Five across the middle or a striker playing in the hole will work playing off a target striker who holds up and plays the way he is facing. SaintMax

4:23pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

batesieboy wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Buttner, if only.
I think the correct expression might be "gazumped"... who has been following our trail?...or which agents are hawking around and alerting others during dealing? (Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean that this isn't happening).
tbf the clubs had agreed the deal and Buttner said he really wanted to come here and agreed wages. It was the interference of the 'third party' that led to us walking away. Manure came in well after that.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Buttner, if only.[/p][/quote]I think the correct expression might be "gazumped"... who has been following our trail?...or which agents are hawking around and alerting others during dealing? (Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean that this isn't happening).[/p][/quote]tbf the clubs had agreed the deal and Buttner said he really wanted to come here and agreed wages. It was the interference of the 'third party' that led to us walking away. Manure came in well after that. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

4:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintmicky says...

Costa Baz wrote:
dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for?

In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season.

From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne.
1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side.

With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in.
What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them.
Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking.
I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.
Costa Baz, you are 100% correct in your evaluation. There are no players directly at fault, the issue is that if you have full backs that get forward like Clyne and Fox the wide midfield players need to cover, not get drawn in to the same attack. We always get caught out by counter-attacking sides e.g. Reading, Wigan because rather than interchanging on the wings, we come forward as a unit, with moves often started from the full backs. Saints have nearly always had attack minded full backs, particularly on the left, Bridge, Le Saux etc., but in the past the midfield have covered better Marsden (football genius) for example.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for? In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season. From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne. 1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side. With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in. What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them. Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking. I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz, you are 100% correct in your evaluation. There are no players directly at fault, the issue is that if you have full backs that get forward like Clyne and Fox the wide midfield players need to cover, not get drawn in to the same attack. We always get caught out by counter-attacking sides e.g. Reading, Wigan because rather than interchanging on the wings, we come forward as a unit, with moves often started from the full backs. Saints have nearly always had attack minded full backs, particularly on the left, Bridge, Le Saux etc., but in the past the midfield have covered better Marsden (football genius) for example. saintmicky

4:37pm Mon 17 Sep 12

dmaceymacleod says...

Costa Baz wrote:
dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for?

In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season.

From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne.
1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side.

With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in.
What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them.
Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking.
I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.
Fox was responsible for two goals against City. and 2 against united. He allowed Tevez through and made an utterly useless clearance for the third. Against Manure he allowed the crosses to come in. Valencia had the beating of him all day. Against Arsenal he was at times playing as a third CB whilst in my opinion (and that's all this is, my own opinion) he should have been tight up against the Ox. Perhaps this wasn't explained to him by NC or the coaches. Tbh Jenkinson did nothing, and adam should have been covering Fox. This was evident in the second half when there was so much space for Ox and then Walcott.
the three goals that we conceded from the right, one was an own goal from clyne which was lucky, one was an own goal from Jos which in my opinion shouldn't have gone past Kelvin and the third was that punch wasn't tracking and therefore the player was able to skip through clyne as he was marking 2 players.
I was dismayed on saturday that our players didn't seem to want to go forward, against united punch and lallana and clyne were screaming up the pitch, but against Arsenal we got the ball and played side to side in our midfield.
We were so bad that we made Gervinho look good!
Everyone knew this year would be tough, everyone knew that the first 4 games would be tough and hopefully we pick up some points against Villa.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for? In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season. From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne. 1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side. With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in. What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them. Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking. I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Fox was responsible for two goals against City. and 2 against united. He allowed Tevez through and made an utterly useless clearance for the third. Against Manure he allowed the crosses to come in. Valencia had the beating of him all day. Against Arsenal he was at times playing as a third CB whilst in my opinion (and that's all this is, my own opinion) he should have been tight up against the Ox. Perhaps this wasn't explained to him by NC or the coaches. Tbh Jenkinson did nothing, and adam should have been covering Fox. This was evident in the second half when there was so much space for Ox and then Walcott. the three goals that we conceded from the right, one was an own goal from clyne which was lucky, one was an own goal from Jos which in my opinion shouldn't have gone past Kelvin and the third was that punch wasn't tracking and therefore the player was able to skip through clyne as he was marking 2 players. I was dismayed on saturday that our players didn't seem to want to go forward, against united punch and lallana and clyne were screaming up the pitch, but against Arsenal we got the ball and played side to side in our midfield. We were so bad that we made Gervinho look good! Everyone knew this year would be tough, everyone knew that the first 4 games would be tough and hopefully we pick up some points against Villa. dmaceymacleod

4:43pm Mon 17 Sep 12

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times.
But in Spain Barcelona and the national team (mostly Barcelona and Real Madrid players) are made up players who can play in multiple positions in defence midfield and attack. Although they tend to be fundamentally mid-fielders.

They also, especially Barcelona, play a carousel in mid-field where all the players spin round in a circle and are interchangeable with the strikers and on occasion the full backs. That's the reason Torres doesn't get many starts for Spain, because he is only a striker.

They play a variation of the Dutch Total football that emerged in the 70's but with shorter more mobile two footed players. Swansea try to play like this, so do Arsenal, as we saw.

But you need exceptional players to do it well and very few teams have got them. Its what Rogers wants to do at Liverpool. We are a long way off of it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times.[/p][/quote]But in Spain Barcelona and the national team (mostly Barcelona and Real Madrid players) are made up players who can play in multiple positions in defence midfield and attack. Although they tend to be fundamentally mid-fielders. They also, especially Barcelona, play a carousel in mid-field where all the players spin round in a circle and are interchangeable with the strikers and on occasion the full backs. That's the reason Torres doesn't get many starts for Spain, because he is only a striker. They play a variation of the Dutch Total football that emerged in the 70's but with shorter more mobile two footed players. Swansea try to play like this, so do Arsenal, as we saw. But you need exceptional players to do it well and very few teams have got them. Its what Rogers wants to do at Liverpool. We are a long way off of it. george chivers

4:51pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game. ghk230473

4:56pm Mon 17 Sep 12

worthing_saint says...

We need Cork back fit, and if he isn't we should be playing Chaplow - in the middle of the park - his energy is infectious and badly missed.

I'd also quite like Tadanari Lee to start as i think his energy is good, but not sure i'd want Rickie starting on the bench.

I feel for Adkins as i just don't think he quite knows his best starting 11 yet.
We need Cork back fit, and if he isn't we should be playing Chaplow - in the middle of the park - his energy is infectious and badly missed. I'd also quite like Tadanari Lee to start as i think his energy is good, but not sure i'd want Rickie starting on the bench. I feel for Adkins as i just don't think he quite knows his best starting 11 yet. worthing_saint

5:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12

westfordUSAsaints says...

Tongdii wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore....

I do not want the manager to go, nor the
quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts...

We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield.

KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger.
Could not agree more Warrens 76, we can do nothing about new defenders until January.
What we can do however is employ an ex premier player like Tony Adams to train up our defence.

After seeing Ramirez's second half performance I am convinced he is just the boy to turn our fortunes round.

Another thought, apart from us there still another six teams in the premier league that have not won a match so far this year.
Right, Reading, Liverpool yet to win, a decent result against Villa, will see us jump out of the bottom 3.

Team has learnt a lot these past 4 games, that will bode well as the new players get to grips with the pace and the speed of the EPL.

Impressed with Maya and Gaston, second half on Saturday was much, much better.
[quote][p][bold]Tongdii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: It was evident to all of us last season that we got out of jail many, many times defensively and lost possession in appalling positions which would punish us badly in the prem...the jump in class from Championship to Prem is massive...in the old days a good div 2 team was a match for most of div 1...not anymore.... I do not want the manager to go, nor the quality we can produce to suffer, nor do we want to become perpetual manager and staff changers...let us be clear success in the main has been enjoyed by clubs with stability and continuity,, the old Liverpool, SAF reign with MUFCO, Arsenal and Wenger are always there or thereabouts... We need a world class defensive coach to train best tactics to our def and midfield. KD would seem like a reasonable keeper in a team that did not leak so badly, at this level with sustained attacks faults are exposed..ironically the worst defenses need the best goalkeepers, regrettably money talks and therefore it does not work that way.. bugger.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more Warrens 76, we can do nothing about new defenders until January. What we can do however is employ an ex premier player like Tony Adams to train up our defence. After seeing Ramirez's second half performance I am convinced he is just the boy to turn our fortunes round. Another thought, apart from us there still another six teams in the premier league that have not won a match so far this year.[/p][/quote]Right, Reading, Liverpool yet to win, a decent result against Villa, will see us jump out of the bottom 3. Team has learnt a lot these past 4 games, that will bode well as the new players get to grips with the pace and the speed of the EPL. Impressed with Maya and Gaston, second half on Saturday was much, much better. westfordUSAsaints

5:21pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days?
Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.)
Just a thought..
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days? Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.) Just a thought.. SaintMax

5:30pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well. angus mc coatup

5:38pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

SaintMax wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days?
Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.)
Just a thought..
I think the buttner saga was engineered to get the move to united.
There is such a thing as false economy and if saving money costs us our premier league place then is it worth it?
Pre season friendlies were a waste IMO. Sharpe, Hammond, Richards etc figured and are gone or are not good enough for this league. Every 1 knew we needed descent defensive cover, even ex players were writing about it in papers but did we get it and is it in time? I'm not sure if Adkins is able to attract players but they needed to be signed earlier like I mentioned as far back as January window. If Adkins goes I don't know where it leaves us and more worringly it will prove we have a dictator as chairman.......... Only time will tell
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days? Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.) Just a thought..[/p][/quote]I think the buttner saga was engineered to get the move to united. There is such a thing as false economy and if saving money costs us our premier league place then is it worth it? Pre season friendlies were a waste IMO. Sharpe, Hammond, Richards etc figured and are gone or are not good enough for this league. Every 1 knew we needed descent defensive cover, even ex players were writing about it in papers but did we get it and is it in time? I'm not sure if Adkins is able to attract players but they needed to be signed earlier like I mentioned as far back as January window. If Adkins goes I don't know where it leaves us and more worringly it will prove we have a dictator as chairman.......... Only time will tell ghk230473

5:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. SaintMax

5:41pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Confucious says...

ventnorsaint wrote:
I totally agree with others in that we need a better goalkeeper and a left back, this was evident towards the end of last season when we " scraped " through to an automatic promotion place.
I just, genuinely, hope that, great chap, NA can cope at the highest level, time will tell BUT how much time?
I heard a rumour that Harry Redknapp is hovering, anyone else heard this?
Up the Saints.
Turned out to be mistaken identity. A little girl was outside St Marys in the back of a parked car with her big Droopy the Dog toy positioned staring out of the window.
[quote][p][bold]ventnorsaint[/bold] wrote: I totally agree with others in that we need a better goalkeeper and a left back, this was evident towards the end of last season when we " scraped " through to an automatic promotion place. I just, genuinely, hope that, great chap, NA can cope at the highest level, time will tell BUT how much time? I heard a rumour that Harry Redknapp is hovering, anyone else heard this? Up the Saints.[/p][/quote]Turned out to be mistaken identity. A little girl was outside St Marys in the back of a parked car with her big Droopy the Dog toy positioned staring out of the window. Confucious

5:45pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

ghk230473 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days?
Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.)
Just a thought..
I think the buttner saga was engineered to get the move to united.
There is such a thing as false economy and if saving money costs us our premier league place then is it worth it?
Pre season friendlies were a waste IMO. Sharpe, Hammond, Richards etc figured and are gone or are not good enough for this league. Every 1 knew we needed descent defensive cover, even ex players were writing about it in papers but did we get it and is it in time? I'm not sure if Adkins is able to attract players but they needed to be signed earlier like I mentioned as far back as January window. If Adkins goes I don't know where it leaves us and more worringly it will prove we have a dictator as chairman.......... Only time will tell
I think some of the friendlies ended up being used as shop windows for players we thought we didnt need. teams were changed completely to a man from one half to the next.
It was widely publicised that we needed players, its patently obvious we didnt acquire them in time for the season to start.
Though I am very happy with the players brought in, and my expectations for our start to the season (3 of the best teams in the league) have been met so far, I am very optmimistic about our season still.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Could the time it takes to buy players be down to NC's hard negotiation stance from his finance days? Whilst it may appear to be good business to not get bullied around and get a player for the 'right price', this could be detremental to getting the players in early to jell with the team or even cutting your nose off to spite your face and not get the player at all (aka Buttner and co.) Just a thought..[/p][/quote]I think the buttner saga was engineered to get the move to united. There is such a thing as false economy and if saving money costs us our premier league place then is it worth it? Pre season friendlies were a waste IMO. Sharpe, Hammond, Richards etc figured and are gone or are not good enough for this league. Every 1 knew we needed descent defensive cover, even ex players were writing about it in papers but did we get it and is it in time? I'm not sure if Adkins is able to attract players but they needed to be signed earlier like I mentioned as far back as January window. If Adkins goes I don't know where it leaves us and more worringly it will prove we have a dictator as chairman.......... Only time will tell[/p][/quote]I think some of the friendlies ended up being used as shop windows for players we thought we didnt need. teams were changed completely to a man from one half to the next. It was widely publicised that we needed players, its patently obvious we didnt acquire them in time for the season to start. Though I am very happy with the players brought in, and my expectations for our start to the season (3 of the best teams in the league) have been met so far, I am very optmimistic about our season still. SaintMax

5:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times.
But in Spain Barcelona and the national team (mostly Barcelona and Real Madrid players) are made up players who can play in multiple positions in defence midfield and attack. Although they tend to be fundamentally mid-fielders.

They also, especially Barcelona, play a carousel in mid-field where all the players spin round in a circle and are interchangeable with the strikers and on occasion the full backs. That's the reason Torres doesn't get many starts for Spain, because he is only a striker.

They play a variation of the Dutch Total football that emerged in the 70's but with shorter more mobile two footed players. Swansea try to play like this, so do Arsenal, as we saw.

But you need exceptional players to do it well and very few teams have got them. Its what Rogers wants to do at Liverpool. We are a long way off of it.
I think Nigel's mantra is that the players should "let the ball do the work."

That's fine I guess, but I think he needs to shout at the ball a lot more.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If 4-4-2 is so good why does it get slated so much by pundits? It's almost treated with contempt and as being beneath decent leagues and international sides. Infact much is made of the success teams like Barcelona and the Spanish national side achieve wthout a 'recognised' striker at times.[/p][/quote]But in Spain Barcelona and the national team (mostly Barcelona and Real Madrid players) are made up players who can play in multiple positions in defence midfield and attack. Although they tend to be fundamentally mid-fielders. They also, especially Barcelona, play a carousel in mid-field where all the players spin round in a circle and are interchangeable with the strikers and on occasion the full backs. That's the reason Torres doesn't get many starts for Spain, because he is only a striker. They play a variation of the Dutch Total football that emerged in the 70's but with shorter more mobile two footed players. Swansea try to play like this, so do Arsenal, as we saw. But you need exceptional players to do it well and very few teams have got them. Its what Rogers wants to do at Liverpool. We are a long way off of it.[/p][/quote]I think Nigel's mantra is that the players should "let the ball do the work." That's fine I guess, but I think he needs to shout at the ball a lot more. Confucious

5:59pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN! randre

6:01pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu
lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed angus mc coatup

6:11pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu

lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
co- ck (pronounced cokc).

So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better?

I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed[/p][/quote]co- ck (pronounced cokc). So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better? I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down? SaintMax

6:14pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

sk-unt-er

adjective

being a skint coont, smelling of fish. Very rare, found only in and around Portsea Island Comes together in small family shoals for the purpose of breeding. Thought to be virtually extinct.
sk-unt-er adjective being a skint coont, smelling of fish. Very rare, found only in and around Portsea Island Comes together in small family shoals for the purpose of breeding. Thought to be virtually extinct. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

6:16pm Mon 17 Sep 12

mike saint says...

dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
I agree with this post. Davis and Fox both need dropping they are not good enough for the prem.
[quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]I agree with this post. Davis and Fox both need dropping they are not good enough for the prem. mike saint

6:17pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

I'm thinking we should employ a 4-5-2 formation on Saturday...that'll do the trick! :O)
I'm thinking we should employ a 4-5-2 formation on Saturday...that'll do the trick! :O) Baddesley Bill

6:19pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu


lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
co- ck (pronounced cokc).

So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better?

I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?
No, he was probably one of the ones trying to lend as much support to the team as possible. We all support Southampton and we all want to win.

But we must be realistic, if you look at any football club there are players that they tried to sign but for one reason or another they couldn't.

Our club need our support, we have come a long way in a short space of time, it was never going to be easy in this league. But if we support and stick together we can succeed.

I for one am astounded that anyone can't help but be impressed with how far we have come in a very short space of time. We just need to show a little bit of faith and support for the people that have achieved it for us.

That's all.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed[/p][/quote]co- ck (pronounced cokc). So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better? I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?[/p][/quote]No, he was probably one of the ones trying to lend as much support to the team as possible. We all support Southampton and we all want to win. But we must be realistic, if you look at any football club there are players that they tried to sign but for one reason or another they couldn't. Our club need our support, we have come a long way in a short space of time, it was never going to be easy in this league. But if we support and stick together we can succeed. I for one am astounded that anyone can't help but be impressed with how far we have come in a very short space of time. We just need to show a little bit of faith and support for the people that have achieved it for us. That's all. randre

6:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
I'm thinking we should employ a 4-5-2 formation on Saturday...that'll do the trick! :O)
The team my lad played against on Sunday did that, until the ref noticed...
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: I'm thinking we should employ a 4-5-2 formation on Saturday...that'll do the trick! :O)[/p][/quote]The team my lad played against on Sunday did that, until the ref noticed... Seedhouse the Unrepentant

6:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Villa were superb on Saturday, just saying,not an easy game at all now all the teams know Saints weakness.
Villa were superb on Saturday, just saying,not an easy game at all now all the teams know Saints weakness. bigfella777

6:22pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum ghk230473

6:25pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

mike saint wrote:
dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
I agree with this post. Davis and Fox both need dropping they are not good enough for the prem.
That's all well and good but just because JWP has stepped up so well doesn't mean LS is ready or Gazzinga coming straight into the Prem from Gillingham!

We've wrecked youngsters before by playing them before they are ready and destroying their confidence. Without watching them in training day in day out it's impossible to tell. With the results we are getting don't you think NA and his coaching staff would do this if they thought they were ready?
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]I agree with this post. Davis and Fox both need dropping they are not good enough for the prem.[/p][/quote]That's all well and good but just because JWP has stepped up so well doesn't mean LS is ready or Gazzinga coming straight into the Prem from Gillingham! We've wrecked youngsters before by playing them before they are ready and destroying their confidence. Without watching them in training day in day out it's impossible to tell. With the results we are getting don't you think NA and his coaching staff would do this if they thought they were ready? Seedhouse the Unrepentant

6:35pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
Having an opinion and speculating where and why we lost the first four games doesnt make us non-supporters ffs.
Theres me explaining what a forum was meant to be, and I get accused of 'attempting to impress by affecting importance..'
What is important is not leaking more goals and winning games.. Oh crap, Ive done it again..
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]Having an opinion and speculating where and why we lost the first four games doesnt make us non-supporters ffs. Theres me explaining what a forum was meant to be, and I get accused of 'attempting to impress by affecting importance..' What is important is not leaking more goals and winning games.. Oh crap, Ive done it again.. SaintMax

6:36pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years?

OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here.

Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years? OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here. Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!! randre

6:44pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu


lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
co- ck (pronounced cokc).

So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better?

I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?
prlck.
pronounced saintmax.

how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc.
and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints
stay in the prem.
I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good

pretentious.
some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed[/p][/quote]co- ck (pronounced cokc). So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better? I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?[/p][/quote]prlck. pronounced saintmax. how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc. and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints stay in the prem. I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good pretentious. some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all. angus mc coatup

6:45pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

randre wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years?

OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here.

Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!!
I believe what I have posted relates to this thread and I have expressed an opinion that signings wil not be ready/settled for 3 months. IMO we have failed to plan for life in the premier league and past results/performance gives evidence to that. How many of current squad participated in pre season?
No I don't like changing managers and believe that contributed greatly to our demise over 7 seasons ago. Nor do I like chairman who think they can manage (Lowe). I am praying we haven't got ourselves another.
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years? OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here. Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!![/p][/quote]I believe what I have posted relates to this thread and I have expressed an opinion that signings wil not be ready/settled for 3 months. IMO we have failed to plan for life in the premier league and past results/performance gives evidence to that. How many of current squad participated in pre season? No I don't like changing managers and believe that contributed greatly to our demise over 7 seasons ago. Nor do I like chairman who think they can manage (Lowe). I am praying we haven't got ourselves another. ghk230473

6:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu



lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
co- ck (pronounced cokc).

So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better?

I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?
prlck.
pronounced saintmax.

how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc.
and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints
stay in the prem.
I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good

pretentious.
some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all.
i think youve overstepped the mark mate.

You know f@ck all about me and my knowledge. face facts mate, not everything is rosey at the moment, and why dont you turn even more of a blind eye and go down the road. Though I think you may be down there already.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed[/p][/quote]co- ck (pronounced cokc). So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better? I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?[/p][/quote]prlck. pronounced saintmax. how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc. and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints stay in the prem. I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good pretentious. some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all.[/p][/quote]i think youve overstepped the mark mate. You know f@ck all about me and my knowledge. face facts mate, not everything is rosey at the moment, and why dont you turn even more of a blind eye and go down the road. Though I think you may be down there already. SaintMax

6:51pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
pre-ten-tious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu




lture.ect.
than is actually possessed
co- ck (pronounced cokc).

So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better?

I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?
prlck.
pronounced saintmax.

how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc.
and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints
stay in the prem.
I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good

pretentious.
some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all.
i think youve overstepped the mark mate.

You know f@ck all about me and my knowledge. face facts mate, not everything is rosey at the moment, and why dont you turn even more of a blind eye and go down the road. Though I think you may be down there already.
hahaha
you accusing me of being a skunt'
now that is priceless!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]pre-ten-tious adjective attempting to impress by affecting importance,talent,cu lture.ect. than is actually possessed[/p][/quote]co- ck (pronounced cokc). So do you walk away from a game we have lost thinking hey its OK, we were nearly deceased two years ago, or do you share in the ambition of the club to want to improve, find out where are weaknesses are and get better? I bet you were one of the few who thought we should let Harry just get on with it and take us down?[/p][/quote]prlck. pronounced saintmax. how was I supposed to affect the sacking of the manager of sfc. and how is talking tactical drivel on a newspaper forum going to help saints stay in the prem. I too share in the clubs ambition but as I'm just a SUPPORTER! and cannot affect what goes on inside the club I do just that, support, you should try it, it's quite good pretentious. some who thinks they are an expert but really knows f@ck all.[/p][/quote]i think youve overstepped the mark mate. You know f@ck all about me and my knowledge. face facts mate, not everything is rosey at the moment, and why dont you turn even more of a blind eye and go down the road. Though I think you may be down there already.[/p][/quote]hahaha you accusing me of being a skunt' now that is priceless!!!! angus mc coatup

6:52pm Mon 17 Sep 12

sisaydo says...

How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?
How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal? sisaydo

6:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

sisaydo wrote:
How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?
I don't think it would do any harm, need defenders too. Cracking idea
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo[/bold] wrote: How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?[/p][/quote]I don't think it would do any harm, need defenders too. Cracking idea ghk230473

7:01pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
sisaydo wrote:
How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?
I don't think it would do any harm, need defenders too. Cracking idea
Yeah, assuming Birmingham think so too of course. Also I think the loan window is closed for us.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo[/bold] wrote: How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?[/p][/quote]I don't think it would do any harm, need defenders too. Cracking idea[/p][/quote]Yeah, assuming Birmingham think so too of course. Also I think the loan window is closed for us. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

7:08pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel!
Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel! ghk230473

7:09pm Mon 17 Sep 12

redsnapper says...

Hindsight is always easy. We bought too late and the stupid international break removed any chance of bedding in the new guys.

I expect a hugely different team to run out on Saturday and like McDonut down the road I think NA needs to rest his first choice keeper, KD has had a mare , well 4 mares to be exact.

3 points this Saturday will make all the difference. Great team, great supporters and great times to come.

COYR
Hindsight is always easy. We bought too late and the stupid international break removed any chance of bedding in the new guys. I expect a hugely different team to run out on Saturday and like McDonut down the road I think NA needs to rest his first choice keeper, KD has had a mare , well 4 mares to be exact. 3 points this Saturday will make all the difference. Great team, great supporters and great times to come. COYR redsnapper

7:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel!
thats just a tall story,
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel![/p][/quote]thats just a tall story, angus mc coatup

7:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

thomasupton says...

randre wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years?

OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here.

Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!!
If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts.
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years? OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here. Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!![/p][/quote]If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts. thomasupton

7:22pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel!
thats just a tall story,
;D
You can see how negotiations for players are breaking down!!!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Competely off thread but I'm going to throw it out there........ Our 'walk on water chairman has a fondness of foot wear with a Cuban heel![/p][/quote]thats just a tall story,[/p][/quote];D You can see how negotiations for players are breaking down!!! ghk230473

7:22pm Mon 17 Sep 12

RedArmy1 says...

No-one wants to see Nigel lose his job.

We all knew the start of the Season with the fixtures was going to be tough - that said the performance especially in the first half against Arse was nowhere near good enough.

NIGEL AND THE TEAM - you have a lot of f@cking work to do and SAINTS SUPPORTERS DEMAND RESULTS in the next two games.

MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!

There are very fine lines between success and failure. We should have beaten manure and we need to be fired up to smash the next two teams coming to St Mary's.

after a raucous start - that sort of performance during the first half against arse was unacceptable and the travelling supporters DEMAND more.

An apology is not needed - just the fire and FIGHT and the belief to WIN.

We can turn this around, In the Championship we used to WIN at home and then go away to lose until we got the Winning formula and started to WIN WIN WIN.

tthere is a lot of quality in the Southampton Squad and there is a lot of money being paid out week on week.

Now get working together and get your f"@cking act together and never ever play and perform like we have just seen.

FIGHT AND WIN.

THERE IS NO FEAR (no scared rabbits like in the first half) and THERE IS NO SURRENDER.

WE DEMAND SUCCESS.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON and we will avenge the crushing defeat when we play at St Mary's and dispatch wenger away to another meaningless season.

if we get them in the Cup - we will knock the for six.

WE RULE IN THE SOUTH

we will be out in the pubs and streets of SOUTHAMPTON and we will punish our next opponents.

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY.
COYR
No-one wants to see Nigel lose his job. We all knew the start of the Season with the fixtures was going to be tough - that said the performance especially in the first half against Arse was nowhere near good enough. NIGEL AND THE TEAM - you have a lot of f@cking work to do and SAINTS SUPPORTERS DEMAND RESULTS in the next two games. MAKE IT HAPPEN !!! There are very fine lines between success and failure. We should have beaten manure and we need to be fired up to smash the next two teams coming to St Mary's. after a raucous start - that sort of performance during the first half against arse was unacceptable and the travelling supporters DEMAND more. An apology is not needed - just the fire and FIGHT and the belief to WIN. We can turn this around, In the Championship we used to WIN at home and then go away to lose until we got the Winning formula and started to WIN WIN WIN. tthere is a lot of quality in the Southampton Squad and there is a lot of money being paid out week on week. Now get working together and get your f"@cking act together and never ever play and perform like we have just seen. FIGHT AND WIN. THERE IS NO FEAR (no scared rabbits like in the first half) and THERE IS NO SURRENDER. WE DEMAND SUCCESS. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON and we will avenge the crushing defeat when we play at St Mary's and dispatch wenger away to another meaningless season. if we get them in the Cup - we will knock the for six. WE RULE IN THE SOUTH we will be out in the pubs and streets of SOUTHAMPTON and we will punish our next opponents. RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. COYR RedArmy1

7:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

abbiscuits says...

4-2-3-1 seems a good formation to me, clyne, yoshi, hoover, and shaw at the back spider, and davis/cork/jwp defensive punch on the right, gaston middle lallana left, and rickie up top. subs would ave to be: kelv, fox, jose, tad-lee, davis/cork/jwp, mayuka, j-rod.
4-2-3-1 seems a good formation to me, clyne, yoshi, hoover, and shaw at the back spider, and davis/cork/jwp defensive punch on the right, gaston middle lallana left, and rickie up top. subs would ave to be: kelv, fox, jose, tad-lee, davis/cork/jwp, mayuka, j-rod. abbiscuits

7:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

mike saint says...

sisaydo wrote:
How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?
Brilliant idea, how soon can we do it?
If we dont get rid of Davis we will be relegated as he is out of his depth in the prem.
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo[/bold] wrote: How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?[/p][/quote]Brilliant idea, how soon can we do it? If we dont get rid of Davis we will be relegated as he is out of his depth in the prem. mike saint

7:42pm Mon 17 Sep 12

City Saint says...

This forum gets nasty after a few dodgy results. It's kind of rough on people expressing critical thinking, even when we're doing well. But generally it's one of the better ones (!) when ally ou look at the totality.

The important question now is how long Adkins will be given by The Don. I'm in the camp hat thinks NA needs until Christmas at the very least, and in fact I'd like to see him get two more seasons even if we DO get relegated. I rate him in the long-term win category. There is probably no manager tha could do a better job than Nige in this situation, and he has shown that he can land and integrate quality players in L1 and the Cship, let's see if he can do it in the Prem.

But we all know that cortese is shrewd, and he will be tempted by some of the premiership journeymen -- not just the ones on the market today, but the ones that will be sacked soon enough.

My money is on Mark Hughes to be manager by February. And it will be a catastrophe!

Stay with the Adkins Diet, NC!
This forum gets nasty after a few dodgy results. It's kind of rough on people expressing critical thinking, even when we're doing well. But generally it's one of the better ones (!) when ally ou look at the totality. The important question now is how long Adkins will be given by The Don. I'm in the camp hat thinks NA needs until Christmas at the very least, and in fact I'd like to see him get two more seasons even if we DO get relegated. I rate him in the long-term win category. There is probably no manager tha could do a better job than Nige in this situation, and he has shown that he can land and integrate quality players in L1 and the Cship, let's see if he can do it in the Prem. But we all know that cortese is shrewd, and he will be tempted by some of the premiership journeymen -- not just the ones on the market today, but the ones that will be sacked soon enough. My money is on Mark Hughes to be manager by February. And it will be a catastrophe! Stay with the Adkins Diet, NC! City Saint

7:47pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides. Baddesley Bill

7:48pm Mon 17 Sep 12

mike saint says...

dennytg wrote:
I have long been a critic of K. Davis. I have been shouted down especially when we were in League 1.
Having seen many keepers, I am concerned about his lack of height, his angles for covering the near post and his decision making. When he does things on instinct he is a great shot stopper, but when he has to make decisions to carry out an aspect of defence he seems to dither.
A lot of this was not apparent when he had a good defence in front of him in League 1 and the Championship.
Artur Boruc is available after being released by Fiorintina and is now a free agent. A number of Premiership managers are looking at him. It's time for Saints to have a punt.
I absolutley argee, Davis has cost us big time Without him we would have Points now.
[quote][p][bold]dennytg[/bold] wrote: I have long been a critic of K. Davis. I have been shouted down especially when we were in League 1. Having seen many keepers, I am concerned about his lack of height, his angles for covering the near post and his decision making. When he does things on instinct he is a great shot stopper, but when he has to make decisions to carry out an aspect of defence he seems to dither. A lot of this was not apparent when he had a good defence in front of him in League 1 and the Championship. Artur Boruc is available after being released by Fiorintina and is now a free agent. A number of Premiership managers are looking at him. It's time for Saints to have a punt.[/p][/quote]I absolutley argee, Davis has cost us big time Without him we would have Points now. mike saint

7:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

SaintMax wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

Noun:

A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
Du choc des opinions jaillit la verité
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/ Noun: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.[/p][/quote]Du choc des opinions jaillit la verité Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

7:52pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
there you go.
not in the least pretentious.

thanks bill
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]there you go. not in the least pretentious. thanks bill angus mc coatup

7:52pm Mon 17 Sep 12

mike saint says...

DAVIS OUT NOW.....
Or we wont survive.
...
DAVIS OUT NOW..... Or we wont survive. ... mike saint

7:53pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Velleity says...

Do you think there is any chance that saying "we should have ...... in the transfer window" could be made a capital offence?

It's not constructive or helpful in any way as we have no time machine available. All it is is a WHINE and surely deserves a death sentence.

Try a different sentence structure, namely, "What I suggest is....", or "Next transfer window we should...." each of which leads to healthy debate.
Do you think there is any chance that saying "we should have ...... in the transfer window" could be made a capital offence? It's not constructive or helpful in any way as we have no time machine available. All it is is a WHINE and surely deserves a death sentence. Try a different sentence structure, namely, "What I suggest is....", or "Next transfer window we should...." each of which leads to healthy debate. Velleity

8:00pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

thomasupton wrote:
randre wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years?

OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here.

Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!!
If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts.
Yes, I am an Season Ticket Holder, not that that makes any difference, every supporter is allowed an input.

I admit also, that I was not happy with the performance of Fonte during the Wigan game and I did make my feelings known.

However, I do try as much as possible to back the players we have. Also, I am not daft enough to think running a football club is easy. I have heard most chairman and managers say they lost out on deals for players that they had targeted during the window, it is not like doing a deal in Football Manager on the PC!

I just take issue with people that come on talking about players we should have signed. But we did sign some great quality in the summer and unfortunately as seems to be the way most of the deals were done late, but that is often the way the window works. I am sure Liverpool would have expected a striker, but deals fell through... As I say, I don't know the ins and outs of the signing of players process, but there are a lot of hurdles to get over and it is not possible to get all the targets.

I think it is well documented that NA & NC tried to sign a Buttner and various other left backs and central defenders, but the deals never went through. It happens, there is nothing you can do about it, the window closes and all clubs have to make do with what they have.

One thing is for sure, we have signed some quality this summer and they will bed in. I am just amazed that people are so down on Saints after just four games, especially when 3 of the games were against top sides. I want us to win as much as anyone, but I am also realistic enough to know we are not going to find it easy against any side in this league.

Anyway, we all have one thing in common, we support Saints. So whilst the team are on the pitch I am positive all supporters will do just that. We will sing and shout and try to be the 12th man. We will give the players confidence and they will respond, that I am sure. If things go wrong then we can worry about it after the game, but ultimately we have to let the management run the club and make the decisions, we can't and should never do that.

Let's just get behind the side, because this is the team we have until January, like it or not. I hope also that NA gets a chance to prove himself and that Nicola is a little more patient than some fans on here.

Come on you Saints!
[quote][p][bold]thomasupton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years? OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here. Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!![/p][/quote]If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts.[/p][/quote]Yes, I am an Season Ticket Holder, not that that makes any difference, every supporter is allowed an input. I admit also, that I was not happy with the performance of Fonte during the Wigan game and I did make my feelings known. However, I do try as much as possible to back the players we have. Also, I am not daft enough to think running a football club is easy. I have heard most chairman and managers say they lost out on deals for players that they had targeted during the window, it is not like doing a deal in Football Manager on the PC! I just take issue with people that come on talking about players we should have signed. But we did sign some great quality in the summer and unfortunately as seems to be the way most of the deals were done late, but that is often the way the window works. I am sure Liverpool would have expected a striker, but deals fell through... As I say, I don't know the ins and outs of the signing of players process, but there are a lot of hurdles to get over and it is not possible to get all the targets. I think it is well documented that NA & NC tried to sign a Buttner and various other left backs and central defenders, but the deals never went through. It happens, there is nothing you can do about it, the window closes and all clubs have to make do with what they have. One thing is for sure, we have signed some quality this summer and they will bed in. I am just amazed that people are so down on Saints after just four games, especially when 3 of the games were against top sides. I want us to win as much as anyone, but I am also realistic enough to know we are not going to find it easy against any side in this league. Anyway, we all have one thing in common, we support Saints. So whilst the team are on the pitch I am positive all supporters will do just that. We will sing and shout and try to be the 12th man. We will give the players confidence and they will respond, that I am sure. If things go wrong then we can worry about it after the game, but ultimately we have to let the management run the club and make the decisions, we can't and should never do that. Let's just get behind the side, because this is the team we have until January, like it or not. I hope also that NA gets a chance to prove himself and that Nicola is a little more patient than some fans on here. Come on you Saints! randre

8:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Your second sentence, the one that begins "Adkins.."

Is that just your usual made up bo11ocks or did you hear that from the lips of NC?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Your second sentence, the one that begins "Adkins.." Is that just your usual made up bo11ocks or did you hear that from the lips of NC? Velleity

8:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play. MGRA

8:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Velleity says...

And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us.

So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.
And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules. Velleity

8:11pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Your second sentence, the one that begins "Adkins.."

Is that just your usual made up bo11ocks or did you hear that from the lips of NC?
I sense you too have a 'fondness for a Cuban heel
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Your second sentence, the one that begins "Adkins.." Is that just your usual made up bo11ocks or did you hear that from the lips of NC?[/p][/quote]I sense you too have a 'fondness for a Cuban heel ghk230473

8:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us.

So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.
You really are a pr1ck
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.[/p][/quote]You really are a pr1ck ghk230473

8:21pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples.
We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven.
Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though...
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples. We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven. Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though... Baddesley Bill

8:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintshorse101 says...

mike saint wrote:
sisaydo wrote: How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?
Brilliant idea, how soon can we do it? If we dont get rid of Davis we will be relegated as he is out of his depth in the prem.
i think you are out of your depth mate!
so our poor results are all down to 1/2 players? Davies and Fox. oh no i forgot Guly because if he hadnt been drink driving he wouldnt have been dropped on sat and we would have won!
Davies has been in goal for every prem game this season so must be to blame for all the goals! do you not think that sometimes teams score goals that keepers cant do anything about? especially the best strikers and players in the world. yes kelv hasnt had the greatest start to the year but to single him out is a bit over the top!
all the moaners ( you can include youself if you like, thats up to you) have moved from blaming guly to fox and davies!
we have changed as a club over the last 10 or so years, we are now a club that has come to want success, yes we have had some over the last 3 years but now things have changed. to say that we were beating manure and manc so we should have won is rather naive to say the least!
some people think we should have changed the entire squad because L1 and champ players arent up to it, well that worked wonders for qpr last year.
please accept that i am not just having a go at you and its not personal, i am just fed up with the same posts by the same people, we should drop kd and fox and buy new players! we cant we just cant. and free agents are free agents for a reason!
the players we have brought in this summer are top quality and it wont take the 3 months to bed in! after a couple of games they will start to get a good understanding with the squad.
by the way WE CANT BUY PLAYERS UNTIL JAN AND WE CANT GET LOANS IN EITHER! well unless we dont tell the fa that is.
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo[/bold] wrote: How about we loan Kelvin to Birmingham until January and we take Jack Butland on loan until January with the view to giving The Brum the right money for him in Jan and including Kelv in the deal?[/p][/quote]Brilliant idea, how soon can we do it? If we dont get rid of Davis we will be relegated as he is out of his depth in the prem.[/p][/quote]i think you are out of your depth mate! so our poor results are all down to 1/2 players? Davies and Fox. oh no i forgot Guly because if he hadnt been drink driving he wouldnt have been dropped on sat and we would have won! Davies has been in goal for every prem game this season so must be to blame for all the goals! do you not think that sometimes teams score goals that keepers cant do anything about? especially the best strikers and players in the world. yes kelv hasnt had the greatest start to the year but to single him out is a bit over the top! all the moaners ( you can include youself if you like, thats up to you) have moved from blaming guly to fox and davies! we have changed as a club over the last 10 or so years, we are now a club that has come to want success, yes we have had some over the last 3 years but now things have changed. to say that we were beating manure and manc so we should have won is rather naive to say the least! some people think we should have changed the entire squad because L1 and champ players arent up to it, well that worked wonders for qpr last year. please accept that i am not just having a go at you and its not personal, i am just fed up with the same posts by the same people, we should drop kd and fox and buy new players! we cant we just cant. and free agents are free agents for a reason! the players we have brought in this summer are top quality and it wont take the 3 months to bed in! after a couple of games they will start to get a good understanding with the squad. by the way WE CANT BUY PLAYERS UNTIL JAN AND WE CANT GET LOANS IN EITHER! well unless we dont tell the fa that is. saintshorse101

8:25pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O) Baddesley Bill

8:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D ghk230473

8:33pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
there's a few tetchy, sensitive souls today is, there not.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]there's a few tetchy, sensitive souls today is, there not. angus mc coatup

8:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples.
We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven.
Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though...
He has credibility. Thats why he is paid a fortune to pretty much ramble randomly as he likes.... TV pundits are generally lazy imo and state either the obvious or grab hold of one or two passages of play and then generalise. The best example of his vacuous opinions was I think his attempt to defend Ashley youngs blatant cheating last season and his lack of understanding of what constitutes a dangerous tackle....The guy was a great footballer but he is as thick as two short planks.... in my humble opinion... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples. We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven. Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though...[/p][/quote]He has credibility. Thats why he is paid a fortune to pretty much ramble randomly as he likes.... TV pundits are generally lazy imo and state either the obvious or grab hold of one or two passages of play and then generalise. The best example of his vacuous opinions was I think his attempt to defend Ashley youngs blatant cheating last season and his lack of understanding of what constitutes a dangerous tackle....The guy was a great footballer but he is as thick as two short planks.... in my humble opinion... ;-) MGRA

8:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintshorse101 says...

Velleity wrote:
And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.
i dont think they get it though!
they think they are being clever by suggesting players we should buy or loan in! i think some genuinely dont understand the rules. i dont think it maters how many times we tell them they still think we can get top internationals in now.
remember ted bates and big mac would have stood up to NC and made him get some players in now.
they think we can buy players now and not tell the fa!
football manager has a lot to answer for, its made everyone think they know how to run a club and its easy to win the prem.

i think there is a lot clown fish hanging around today!!!!!!!!!
you can always tell a skate, just ask it a question based on facts and it will go away.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.[/p][/quote]i dont think they get it though! they think they are being clever by suggesting players we should buy or loan in! i think some genuinely dont understand the rules. i dont think it maters how many times we tell them they still think we can get top internationals in now. remember ted bates and big mac would have stood up to NC and made him get some players in now. they think we can buy players now and not tell the fa! football manager has a lot to answer for, its made everyone think they know how to run a club and its easy to win the prem. i think there is a lot clown fish hanging around today!!!!!!!!! you can always tell a skate, just ask it a question based on facts and it will go away. saintshorse101

8:47pm Mon 17 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

thomasupton wrote:
randre wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
randre wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers.
but it would appear there's loads of em.

never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs.

I'm no expert on tactics
so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right.
few skunts about as well.
Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it!

I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players.

For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given.

There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team.

I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys.

SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN!
Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top!

In na, nc we trust x50!

If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum
So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years?

OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here.

Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!!
If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts.
if you watched that utd game ,you could see fergie put scholes and we did not mark him just let him run the game after that .we just had to man mark him .we would of held on got something .he was just able to spray the ball about .you just cant allow players like him room.he just banged balls into the areas .which hurts us ,we had to change .utd went 4 4 2 ,but we did the wrong thing with the change
[quote][p][bold]thomasupton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: last time I looked I could of sworn there was only twenty premiership managers. but it would appear there's loads of em. never seen so many experts in the running of a football club.some seem to know so much they should expect a call from cameron,they should be running the country ffs. I'm no expert on tactics so I guess i'll just leave nigel to get on with it and i'll just sit and support whatever he thinks is right. few skunts about as well.[/p][/quote]Angus this is so true, amazing isn't it! I knew after that result that coming on here would be painful. The usual doomsayers who say the same things all the time about signings come back as soon as they can to plea how rubbish our chairman is at negotiating and our manager at tactics. Never mind two promotions and signing quality players. For all the good NA & NC have done for us certain people can't wait to lay the boot in and complain. They really don't remember where we were a few seasons back, or like a spoiled child they now want, want, want, without looking to see what we have been given. There are some on here who will probably never post when we start winning games, as they were never to be seen when we were paying good money for some great signings. They only come on here to complain! Well, they need to look East a few miles and see what it is like to have a p*** poor team. I believe we have a good team and a team that, when settled will be a handful for many PL sides. We have played 3 top sides and people are moaning already... LOOK where we were 3 years ago guys. SUPPORT - WE ARE THE 12th MAN![/p][/quote]Yeah coz the latest results and performances have been tip top! In na, nc we trust x50! If you have an opinion don't express it on daily echo saints forum[/p][/quote]So you are willing to change the whole set up because of 4 results, compared to the majority of good times and results over the last two years? OK, fine.... You have your opinion, all I am saying is that there are still 34 games to go and for what has been achieved over the last two years we need to be a little bit more loyal to the people that have got us here. Changing manager every few months worked really well for us in the past didn't it!![/p][/quote]If like me you go and watch the games live. then you are entitled to an opinion whether it is positive or negative. The fact is we have conceded 14 goals in 4 games. We were winning against Man U and Adkins took off the 3 best players and changed the course of the game. We left a club record signing sat on the bench against Arsenal until half time? I honestly think that was a bad decision on both counts.[/p][/quote]if you watched that utd game ,you could see fergie put scholes and we did not mark him just let him run the game after that .we just had to man mark him .we would of held on got something .he was just able to spray the ball about .you just cant allow players like him room.he just banged balls into the areas .which hurts us ,we had to change .utd went 4 4 2 ,but we did the wrong thing with the change saintkenny

8:48pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O) Baddesley Bill

8:55pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us.

So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.
You really are a pr1ck
Why? I think there is one person showing up to be that here, and it is not Velleity. Why have you thrown such a childish insult at somebody who has just stated facts?

Please answer, because your response to this look highly moronic. Now if this is how you respond to people for stating simple facts, you should clear of down the M27.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.[/p][/quote]You really are a pr1ck[/p][/quote]Why? I think there is one person showing up to be that here, and it is not Velleity. Why have you thrown such a childish insult at somebody who has just stated facts? Please answer, because your response to this look highly moronic. Now if this is how you respond to people for stating simple facts, you should clear of down the M27. randre

8:56pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Costa Baz says...

dmaceymacleod wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for?

In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season.

From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne.
1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side.

With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in.
What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them.
Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking.
I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.
Fox was responsible for two goals against City. and 2 against united. He allowed Tevez through and made an utterly useless clearance for the third. Against Manure he allowed the crosses to come in. Valencia had the beating of him all day. Against Arsenal he was at times playing as a third CB whilst in my opinion (and that's all this is, my own opinion) he should have been tight up against the Ox. Perhaps this wasn't explained to him by NC or the coaches. Tbh Jenkinson did nothing, and adam should have been covering Fox. This was evident in the second half when there was so much space for Ox and then Walcott.
the three goals that we conceded from the right, one was an own goal from clyne which was lucky, one was an own goal from Jos which in my opinion shouldn't have gone past Kelvin and the third was that punch wasn't tracking and therefore the player was able to skip through clyne as he was marking 2 players.
I was dismayed on saturday that our players didn't seem to want to go forward, against united punch and lallana and clyne were screaming up the pitch, but against Arsenal we got the ball and played side to side in our midfield.
We were so bad that we made Gervinho look good!
Everyone knew this year would be tough, everyone knew that the first 4 games would be tough and hopefully we pick up some points against Villa.
Fox is responsible for just 1 goal out of 14 this season, not lots.

Fox made one error against Man City, leading to their 3rd goal.
Tevez's "goal" was illegal, plus it came as a result of him getting away from Fonte NOT Fox.
And Dzeko's goal came from a corner on our right, with the ball being nowhere near Fox.

What Man Utd goals are you blaming him for?
The first goal came from a cross from a position where a midfield player (Lallana) should have been closing it down, which proves the point I made about the full backs being exposed. Plus Clyne slipped when he tried to get to it. Fox did what all full backs would have done. He faced up to the crosser without giving him the option to go past him. Unfortunately Lallana didn't get back and help before the cross came in. NOT Fox's fault.
The 2nd came following a corner that was cleared out wide, with Ward Prowse (I think) being left to mark 2 people. Fox was in the box where he should have been, so cannot be blamed for the cross coming in. The next nearest player to W-Prowse was Guly, who started to go out wide but stopped, allowing Utd to have a 2 on 1 situation. NOT Fox's fault.
The 3rd Man Utd goal came from poor marking on the right side of our area, with Fonte being too slow to react to RVP's run to the near post. NOT Fox's fault.

If you are going to blame individuals, for us conceding so many goals, you need to check your facts first, just as I have by looking at the highlights on Saints Player.
[quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for? In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season. From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne. 1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side. With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in. What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them. Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking. I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Fox was responsible for two goals against City. and 2 against united. He allowed Tevez through and made an utterly useless clearance for the third. Against Manure he allowed the crosses to come in. Valencia had the beating of him all day. Against Arsenal he was at times playing as a third CB whilst in my opinion (and that's all this is, my own opinion) he should have been tight up against the Ox. Perhaps this wasn't explained to him by NC or the coaches. Tbh Jenkinson did nothing, and adam should have been covering Fox. This was evident in the second half when there was so much space for Ox and then Walcott. the three goals that we conceded from the right, one was an own goal from clyne which was lucky, one was an own goal from Jos which in my opinion shouldn't have gone past Kelvin and the third was that punch wasn't tracking and therefore the player was able to skip through clyne as he was marking 2 players. I was dismayed on saturday that our players didn't seem to want to go forward, against united punch and lallana and clyne were screaming up the pitch, but against Arsenal we got the ball and played side to side in our midfield. We were so bad that we made Gervinho look good! Everyone knew this year would be tough, everyone knew that the first 4 games would be tough and hopefully we pick up some points against Villa.[/p][/quote]Fox is responsible for just 1 goal out of 14 this season, not lots. Fox made one error against Man City, leading to their 3rd goal. Tevez's "goal" was illegal, plus it came as a result of him getting away from Fonte NOT Fox. And Dzeko's goal came from a corner on our right, with the ball being nowhere near Fox. What Man Utd goals are you blaming him for? The first goal came from a cross from a position where a midfield player (Lallana) should have been closing it down, which proves the point I made about the full backs being exposed. Plus Clyne slipped when he tried to get to it. Fox did what all full backs would have done. He faced up to the crosser without giving him the option to go past him. Unfortunately Lallana didn't get back and help before the cross came in. NOT Fox's fault. The 2nd came following a corner that was cleared out wide, with Ward Prowse (I think) being left to mark 2 people. Fox was in the box where he should have been, so cannot be blamed for the cross coming in. The next nearest player to W-Prowse was Guly, who started to go out wide but stopped, allowing Utd to have a 2 on 1 situation. NOT Fox's fault. The 3rd Man Utd goal came from poor marking on the right side of our area, with Fonte being too slow to react to RVP's run to the near post. NOT Fox's fault. If you are going to blame individuals, for us conceding so many goals, you need to check your facts first, just as I have by looking at the highlights on Saints Player. Costa Baz

8:56pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows? Velleity

8:56pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples.
We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven.
Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though...
He has credibility. Thats why he is paid a fortune to pretty much ramble randomly as he likes.... TV pundits are generally lazy imo and state either the obvious or grab hold of one or two passages of play and then generalise. The best example of his vacuous opinions was I think his attempt to defend Ashley youngs blatant cheating last season and his lack of understanding of what constitutes a dangerous tackle....The guy was a great footballer but he is as thick as two short planks.... in my humble opinion... ;-)
Football is about opinions. In my humble opinion, yours would not get you on the Skysports gravy train....not no way no how... :O)
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]I was there too...we were beaten by the better side simples. We played with one 11mill newbie player (second half). They started the game with at least six or seven. Gary Neville may talk cr@p (in your opinion), but I'm willing to bet he has a little more credibilty on the subject than you. You may well be more qualified in the kitchen though...[/p][/quote]He has credibility. Thats why he is paid a fortune to pretty much ramble randomly as he likes.... TV pundits are generally lazy imo and state either the obvious or grab hold of one or two passages of play and then generalise. The best example of his vacuous opinions was I think his attempt to defend Ashley youngs blatant cheating last season and his lack of understanding of what constitutes a dangerous tackle....The guy was a great footballer but he is as thick as two short planks.... in my humble opinion... ;-)[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions. In my humble opinion, yours would not get you on the Skysports gravy train....not no way no how... :O) Baddesley Bill

8:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys! ghk230473

9:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows?
Probably your sh1tty breathe
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows?[/p][/quote]Probably your sh1tty breathe ghk230473

9:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

City Saint says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.
i dont think they get it though!
they think they are being clever by suggesting players we should buy or loan in! i think some genuinely dont understand the rules. i dont think it maters how many times we tell them they still think we can get top internationals in now.
remember ted bates and big mac would have stood up to NC and made him get some players in now.
they think we can buy players now and not tell the fa!
football manager has a lot to answer for, its made everyone think they know how to run a club and its easy to win the prem.

i think there is a lot clown fish hanging around today!!!!!!!!!
you can always tell a skate, just ask it a question based on facts and it will go away.
Blimey, listening to you two luvvers, you'd this we just beat arsenal 6-1.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: And sorry to repeat myself, but loans and signings are not available now, so we have the players we have and that's it until January, short of the miracle of an out-of-contract football god wanting to join us. So please stop suggesting loans or new signings as it is becoming tedious having to remind you of the rules.[/p][/quote]i dont think they get it though! they think they are being clever by suggesting players we should buy or loan in! i think some genuinely dont understand the rules. i dont think it maters how many times we tell them they still think we can get top internationals in now. remember ted bates and big mac would have stood up to NC and made him get some players in now. they think we can buy players now and not tell the fa! football manager has a lot to answer for, its made everyone think they know how to run a club and its easy to win the prem. i think there is a lot clown fish hanging around today!!!!!!!!! you can always tell a skate, just ask it a question based on facts and it will go away.[/p][/quote]Blimey, listening to you two luvvers, you'd this we just beat arsenal 6-1. City Saint

9:08pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers! Baddesley Bill

9:09pm Mon 17 Sep 12

dadofmy3sons says...

I have seen a lot of references to a slip by a defender that cost the opposition a goal.
What I can not understand is that it happened twice in the same game but all the moaners only remember one of them and that is the one they should forget!
Could the dictionary swallowers explain to me the difference between a fan and a supporter?
Or a poster and an imposter?
I have seen a lot of references to a slip by a defender that cost the opposition a goal. What I can not understand is that it happened twice in the same game but all the moaners only remember one of them and that is the one they should forget! Could the dictionary swallowers explain to me the difference between a fan and a supporter? Or a poster and an imposter? dadofmy3sons

9:12pm Mon 17 Sep 12

insane saint says...

RedArmy1 wrote:
No-one wants to see Nigel lose his job.

We all knew the start of the Season with the fixtures was going to be tough - that said the performance especially in the first half against Arse was nowhere near good enough.

NIGEL AND THE TEAM - you have a lot of f@cking work to do and SAINTS SUPPORTERS DEMAND RESULTS in the next two games.

MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!

There are very fine lines between success and failure. We should have beaten manure and we need to be fired up to smash the next two teams coming to St Mary's.

after a raucous start - that sort of performance during the first half against arse was unacceptable and the travelling supporters DEMAND more.

An apology is not needed - just the fire and FIGHT and the belief to WIN.

We can turn this around, In the Championship we used to WIN at home and then go away to lose until we got the Winning formula and started to WIN WIN WIN.

tthere is a lot of quality in the Southampton Squad and there is a lot of money being paid out week on week.

Now get working together and get your f"@cking act together and never ever play and perform like we have just seen.

FIGHT AND WIN.

THERE IS NO FEAR (no scared rabbits like in the first half) and THERE IS NO SURRENDER.

WE DEMAND SUCCESS.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON and we will avenge the crushing defeat when we play at St Mary's and dispatch wenger away to another meaningless season.

if we get them in the Cup - we will knock the for six.

WE RULE IN THE SOUTH

we will be out in the pubs and streets of SOUTHAMPTON and we will punish our next opponents.

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY.
COYR
get in there RedArmy1

we got our Sargent major back

RED ARMY RED ARMY....

COYR
[quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: No-one wants to see Nigel lose his job. We all knew the start of the Season with the fixtures was going to be tough - that said the performance especially in the first half against Arse was nowhere near good enough. NIGEL AND THE TEAM - you have a lot of f@cking work to do and SAINTS SUPPORTERS DEMAND RESULTS in the next two games. MAKE IT HAPPEN !!! There are very fine lines between success and failure. We should have beaten manure and we need to be fired up to smash the next two teams coming to St Mary's. after a raucous start - that sort of performance during the first half against arse was unacceptable and the travelling supporters DEMAND more. An apology is not needed - just the fire and FIGHT and the belief to WIN. We can turn this around, In the Championship we used to WIN at home and then go away to lose until we got the Winning formula and started to WIN WIN WIN. tthere is a lot of quality in the Southampton Squad and there is a lot of money being paid out week on week. Now get working together and get your f"@cking act together and never ever play and perform like we have just seen. FIGHT AND WIN. THERE IS NO FEAR (no scared rabbits like in the first half) and THERE IS NO SURRENDER. WE DEMAND SUCCESS. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON and we will avenge the crushing defeat when we play at St Mary's and dispatch wenger away to another meaningless season. if we get them in the Cup - we will knock the for six. WE RULE IN THE SOUTH we will be out in the pubs and streets of SOUTHAMPTON and we will punish our next opponents. RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. COYR[/p][/quote]get in there RedArmy1 we got our Sargent major back RED ARMY RED ARMY.... COYR insane saint

9:12pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true ghk230473

9:12pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Saintsteve7 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up!
I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people!
COYR!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up! I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people! COYR! Saintsteve7

9:14pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

well a fan keeps you cool
and a supporter holds up or backs something.
as for the imposter bit I allude you to my earlier post about
pretentiousness
well a fan keeps you cool and a supporter holds up or backs something. as for the imposter bit I allude you to my earlier post about pretentiousness angus mc coatup

9:14pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Scarborosaint says...

Judge where we are in January not after 4 games , 3 of which were against top opposition , we will be judged on the results against the teams in the bottom half , granted the Wigan game was a disappointment but this continual assassination of fonte, fox , guly and now Davis is not going to help the players to perform to their best . They deserve the opportunity to prove they are premiership players and if they are not I am sure NA will juggle the squad around to find his best team
Judge where we are in January not after 4 games , 3 of which were against top opposition , we will be judged on the results against the teams in the bottom half , granted the Wigan game was a disappointment but this continual assassination of fonte, fox , guly and now Davis is not going to help the players to perform to their best . They deserve the opportunity to prove they are premiership players and if they are not I am sure NA will juggle the squad around to find his best team Scarborosaint

9:16pm Mon 17 Sep 12

randre says...

Right, lets give NA a chance, he got us here, he should be allowed to learn. It is too early to panic.

I just want Saints to do well and we are all supporters who want the same. I don't want Nigel Atkins to lose his job, I think he has earned the right to lead us and I honestly think we will do OK. But ultimately I support Saints, so if Nicola Cortese believes a change is needed I will still support, I may not be happy about it, but I will still support.

For people who say Nicola Cortese is not popular with people around St Mary's and within the football world, I really couldn't care less. We had enough of Rupert with his yearning to be popular within football circles. I want Nicola Cortese to continue doing what it is he is doing, I don't care if people like him or not. It is possible that some people don't like him because he demands, which is what all us fans want. We don't want him to enter popularity contests, I feel very at ease knowing our chairman is worried about the club, not his own popularity.

Whatever happens, we all stand together and support our team. I am so proud of what has been achieved and I want more, but I understand that it is not going to be easy going, supporting football teams never is.

One thing I can promise is that I will support the team who are on the pitch from the first to the last minute until my voice no longer works. I am sure we will all do the same, we can be the difference at St Mary's.

Yes, Nigel may make a wrong decision. Yes, one of our players may let a pass go astray or score an own goal.... But we will support. They are our team and we will give them all the support we need against Aston Villa. No moaning, just support. This will get our team through, like it did so many times in the past at the Dell. Our support can be the difference.

I want NA as manager
I want NC to do what he is doing and I don't care if people like him or not... as a fan I think he is superb and doing a great job, so who cares!
Most of all, I want Saints to be successful. This can only happen if we stick together and believe.

We are only four games in.... COME ON SAINTS... BELIEVE.
Right, lets give NA a chance, he got us here, he should be allowed to learn. It is too early to panic. I just want Saints to do well and we are all supporters who want the same. I don't want Nigel Atkins to lose his job, I think he has earned the right to lead us and I honestly think we will do OK. But ultimately I support Saints, so if Nicola Cortese believes a change is needed I will still support, I may not be happy about it, but I will still support. For people who say Nicola Cortese is not popular with people around St Mary's and within the football world, I really couldn't care less. We had enough of Rupert with his yearning to be popular within football circles. I want Nicola Cortese to continue doing what it is he is doing, I don't care if people like him or not. It is possible that some people don't like him because he demands, which is what all us fans want. We don't want him to enter popularity contests, I feel very at ease knowing our chairman is worried about the club, not his own popularity. Whatever happens, we all stand together and support our team. I am so proud of what has been achieved and I want more, but I understand that it is not going to be easy going, supporting football teams never is. One thing I can promise is that I will support the team who are on the pitch from the first to the last minute until my voice no longer works. I am sure we will all do the same, we can be the difference at St Mary's. Yes, Nigel may make a wrong decision. Yes, one of our players may let a pass go astray or score an own goal.... But we will support. They are our team and we will give them all the support we need against Aston Villa. No moaning, just support. This will get our team through, like it did so many times in the past at the Dell. Our support can be the difference. I want NA as manager I want NC to do what he is doing and I don't care if people like him or not... as a fan I think he is superb and doing a great job, so who cares! Most of all, I want Saints to be successful. This can only happen if we stick together and believe. We are only four games in.... COME ON SAINTS... BELIEVE. randre

9:17pm Mon 17 Sep 12

City Saint says...

I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet.

Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster.

Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.
I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet. Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster. Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace. City Saint

9:18pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up!
I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people!
COYR!
Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up! I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people! COYR![/p][/quote]Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy ghk230473

9:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

What's Fellaini got on his head? He looks like that Skunter David James!
What's Fellaini got on his head? He looks like that Skunter David James! Seedhouse the Unrepentant

9:23pm Mon 17 Sep 12

mack chinnon says...

Anyway,come on Swindon.
Anyway,come on Swindon. mack chinnon

9:23pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O) Baddesley Bill

9:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Anyway,come on Swindon.
love swindon always have!!
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Anyway,come on Swindon.[/p][/quote]love swindon always have!! angus mc coatup

9:31pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Saintsteve7 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up!
I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people!
COYR!
Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy
So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up! I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people! COYR![/p][/quote]Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy[/p][/quote]So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual. Saintsteve7

9:31pm Mon 17 Sep 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o) slugger

9:31pm Mon 17 Sep 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o) slugger

9:36pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up!
I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people!
COYR!
Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy
So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual.
You can't educate pork
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up! I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people! COYR![/p][/quote]Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy[/p][/quote]So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual.[/p][/quote]You can't educate pork ghk230473

9:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night ghk230473

9:43pm Mon 17 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Very worrying.
Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players.
Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team.
The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players?
1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.
Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up!
I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people!
COYR!
Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy
So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual.
You can't educate pork
well somebody taught that little piggy how to go to market.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Very worrying. Adkins position is under threat with talk of 2 games to get it sorted, this pressure will be felt by the players. Fail to plan, plan to fail. We really needed to strengthen as far back as last January as we were playing with what was pretty much league 1 team. The new players have had no time to gel, have missed pre season friendlies and will take the best part of 3 months to settle if we are lucky. Who is to blame? If Adkins is sacked surely whoever appointed him should be held to account. Are the players signed Adkins choice? Why weren't more defenders signed? Does any one know what is going on behind the scenes and is Adkins able to attract 'big time players? 1 thing for sure, Villa is a must win game.[/p][/quote]Recruit prem quality players last January? What planet are you from? Last January we were competing for promotion but were no means certain to get it but you wanted players of prem quality to leave their clubs and join a team that might get promoted? Wake up! I actually individually rate our defenders, the problem is they are not quite functioning as a unit at the moment. What we need is an ugly clean sheet to get confidence up a bit and then I think we'll start moving in the right direction. Have a bit of faith people! COYR![/p][/quote]Didn't mention prem quality but better than we had. I'll have faith but not blind faith sleepy[/p][/quote]So you wanted better than what we had but not prem quality? We finished as the 2nd best team in in the championship so I think the players we had did just fine don't you? To improve on what we had we surely would of needed prem quality?? You make no sense as usual.[/p][/quote]You can't educate pork[/p][/quote]well somebody taught that little piggy how to go to market. angus mc coatup

9:43pm Mon 17 Sep 12

slugger says...

the truth as i see it is like this ........ we're all gutted about the start we've made but some handle it different to others ........ me , i'm an optomist and will always back my team and whoever manages them (isn't that what supporting is ?) and others delight in taking the negatives ......... i'm happy to be the way i am !
the truth as i see it is like this ........ we're all gutted about the start we've made but some handle it different to others ........ me , i'm an optomist and will always back my team and whoever manages them (isn't that what supporting is ?) and others delight in taking the negatives ......... i'm happy to be the way i am ! slugger

9:44pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows?
Probably your sh1tty breathe
"Breathe" is a verb. I think you mean "breath".
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]You were at St Mary's with NC? What's that I smell? Is it cows?[/p][/quote]Probably your sh1tty breathe[/p][/quote]"Breathe" is a verb. I think you mean "breath". Velleity

9:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you. Baddesley Bill

9:53pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.
I've had worse, I've had better
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.[/p][/quote]I've had worse, I've had better ghk230473

9:59pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.
I've had worse, I've had better
Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest.
PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O)
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.[/p][/quote]I've had worse, I've had better[/p][/quote]Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest. PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O) Baddesley Bill

9:59pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)[/p][/quote]don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!! MGRA

10:05pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!!
Rather them than you matey! :O)
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)[/p][/quote]don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!![/p][/quote]Rather them than you matey! :O) Baddesley Bill

10:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!!
i dont bank on anything , i just think his opinnions are more valid than yours .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)[/p][/quote]don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!![/p][/quote]i dont bank on anything , i just think his opinnions are more valid than yours . slugger

10:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.
I've had worse, I've had better
Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest.
PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O)
A tip off, food and beer prices to rise. Fill yer boots a the station
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.[/p][/quote]I've had worse, I've had better[/p][/quote]Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest. PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O)[/p][/quote]A tip off, food and beer prices to rise. Fill yer boots a the station ghk230473

10:15pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)
Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D
Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out.
Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels).
PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)
I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved!
He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys!
May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers!
Very true bill very true
Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)
You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night
Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.
I've had worse, I've had better
Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest.
PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O)
A tip off, food and beer prices to rise. Fill yer boots a the station
You are a ray of sunshine on a dreary Monday night....



not!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Looks like ghk had a bad day again (Bill dons tin helmet and awaits aguement!) :O)[/p][/quote]Not a bad day for a Monday, I was at St Marys and can tell you that our Cuban heel wearing chairman was not happy! It can't get any worse......... Or can it? ;D[/p][/quote]Can it get worse? ....of course. Do I think it will? .....no, not as the season pans out. Not surprised our chairman isn't happy though (he demands success on all levels). PS You still owe me a beer after we got promoted last season I reckon :O)[/p][/quote]I'll get you a beer for your effort Saturday, it's deserved! He's about as popular as hitler at a bar mitzvah around St Marys![/p][/quote]May be so...perhaps those who work for him should apply for another job....cos they most likely wouldn't have one without him! (the beer is a deffo....Station Saturday)...my daughter will have a lemonade with ice (no lemon) cheers![/p][/quote]Very true bill very true[/p][/quote]Would Scampi n chips be pushing the boundarys? Come on...after your negativity last season...a couple of Scampi n chips, two drinks and a lift to the game surely aint asking to much? :O)[/p][/quote]You're old enough to know Friday night is fish n chip night[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you've completely lost it again ghk...winding up Saints fans again (and it's only Monday). Be honest...you have had a bad day haven't you.[/p][/quote]I've had worse, I've had better[/p][/quote]Stay positive mate...positivity helps. It can really brighten up your week...honest. PS That little snippet of advice will cost you a pukka pie at SMS! :O)[/p][/quote]A tip off, food and beer prices to rise. Fill yer boots a the station[/p][/quote]You are a ray of sunshine on a dreary Monday night.... not! Baddesley Bill

10:27pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ghk230473 says...

Pitch is looking as good as ever....... Best I can offer ;D
Pitch is looking as good as ever....... Best I can offer ;D ghk230473

10:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Pitch is looking as good as ever....... Best I can offer ;D
Of course it is. Off to bed now...you are beginning to bore me.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Pitch is looking as good as ever....... Best I can offer ;D[/p][/quote]Of course it is. Off to bed now...you are beginning to bore me. Baddesley Bill

10:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.
GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.
mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)
don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!!
i dont bank on anything , i just think his opinnions are more valid than yours .
Do you not think Ashley Cole is a diver then ? or that players throwing themselves to the gound with no contact is what kids should be copying ? These are the opinions of "Sunshine Neville" , oh and he thinks a draining pasta spoon is for mashed potato ! But granted , the blinding obvious is always delivered with a melodic-less Mank drone and I can see his appeal...
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Interesting comments from Gary Neville tonight...he thought our positional play was generally good (from a coach's perspective). Inexpeience was the problem. If he's right (and I think he's probably better qualified than most of us on here)...then we should be fine against most of the weaker prem sides.[/p][/quote]GN talks utter carp a lot of the time... incidentally he struggles to find his own kitchen utensils in his own kitchen too.... buts thats another story. A pundit can watch edited highlights and then generalise how he pleases but everyone I spoke to that was there on Saturday said the same thing, we were pulled all over the place, lost the discipline and cohesion and the striker was too detached from most of the play.[/p][/quote]mr neville may be a pundit (a pretty good one imo) but he's also roy hodgeson's right hand man ....... i'd rather listen to his point of view over some numptie with a chip on his shoulder ! ........ oh yeah ...... and ;o)[/p][/quote]don't bank on enjoying Rio in 2014 !!! The dream team RH and GN may not deliver !!![/p][/quote]i dont bank on anything , i just think his opinnions are more valid than yours .[/p][/quote]Do you not think Ashley Cole is a diver then ? or that players throwing themselves to the gound with no contact is what kids should be copying ? These are the opinions of "Sunshine Neville" , oh and he thinks a draining pasta spoon is for mashed potato ! But granted , the blinding obvious is always delivered with a melodic-less Mank drone and I can see his appeal... MGRA

11:11pm Mon 17 Sep 12

MGRA says...

ah..... Pundit on Canal in France indeed agrees with the sentiment of this echo article, he thinks Saints will pull themselves up the table and Morgan will be sought after in the January window !!
ah..... Pundit on Canal in France indeed agrees with the sentiment of this echo article, he thinks Saints will pull themselves up the table and Morgan will be sought after in the January window !! MGRA

6:29am Tue 18 Sep 12

saintlysoul says...

Arsenl will be found out tonight
Arsenl will be found out tonight saintlysoul

6:40am Tue 18 Sep 12

saintlysoul says...

The result on Saturday flattered Arsenal. Saints effectively gave them two own goals and conceded two sloppy goals from the free kick and KD being beaten on his near post. The fifth goal was a scramble that fell luckily at the foot of the scorer.

The positive from this game was the football played by the Saints in the second half. At times they kept possession well and had Arsenal chasing the ball. None of this was shown on Match of the Day but was shown on Sky Game of the Day. It will be interesting to see how Arsenal fair against opposition like Manchester City (Sunday), Manchester United & Chelsea. I think they will struggle.

JWP was outstanding on Saturday and showed seasoned professionals around him the type of commitment that is required at this level. On the premier league statistics as repored in the Sunday Mirror he covered the most ground of all the outfield players and had the quickest mph of all the outfield players. In addition he had a 94% completion of passes. Why is a 17 year old boy leading the way?

I'm confident that Saints will pick up now but to do so they must show 100% commitment and effort!!!!
The result on Saturday flattered Arsenal. Saints effectively gave them two own goals and conceded two sloppy goals from the free kick and KD being beaten on his near post. The fifth goal was a scramble that fell luckily at the foot of the scorer. The positive from this game was the football played by the Saints in the second half. At times they kept possession well and had Arsenal chasing the ball. None of this was shown on Match of the Day but was shown on Sky Game of the Day. It will be interesting to see how Arsenal fair against opposition like Manchester City (Sunday), Manchester United & Chelsea. I think they will struggle. JWP was outstanding on Saturday and showed seasoned professionals around him the type of commitment that is required at this level. On the premier league statistics as repored in the Sunday Mirror he covered the most ground of all the outfield players and had the quickest mph of all the outfield players. In addition he had a 94% completion of passes. Why is a 17 year old boy leading the way? I'm confident that Saints will pick up now but to do so they must show 100% commitment and effort!!!! saintlysoul

8:12am Tue 18 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

City Saint wrote:
I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet.

Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster.

Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.
Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market?
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet. Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster. Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.[/p][/quote]Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market? OSPREYSAINT

9:28am Tue 18 Sep 12

up saints says...

nigel was brave againts man u almost payed off.be brave saturday shaw left back the new goal keeper and if josh not fit need help on that one.can we get martin back off loan?
nigel was brave againts man u almost payed off.be brave saturday shaw left back the new goal keeper and if josh not fit need help on that one.can we get martin back off loan? up saints

9:47am Tue 18 Sep 12

MGRA says...

up saints wrote:
nigel was brave againts man u almost payed off.be brave saturday shaw left back the new goal keeper and if josh not fit need help on that one.can we get martin back off loan?
Kelvin has always been weak at his near post... the players know this... no need to dump him, just account for it. AM is not good enough ( yet ) for the Prem imo... Nigel was brave against manure but camping in your own 1/3 for 15 minutes against them was maybe too brave !?
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: nigel was brave againts man u almost payed off.be brave saturday shaw left back the new goal keeper and if josh not fit need help on that one.can we get martin back off loan?[/p][/quote]Kelvin has always been weak at his near post... the players know this... no need to dump him, just account for it. AM is not good enough ( yet ) for the Prem imo... Nigel was brave against manure but camping in your own 1/3 for 15 minutes against them was maybe too brave !? MGRA

10:00am Tue 18 Sep 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
City Saint wrote:
I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet.

Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster.

Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.
Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market?
GK is the difficult one.. oh and left back are usually "defensive" players... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet. Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster. Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.[/p][/quote]Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market?[/p][/quote]GK is the difficult one.. oh and left back are usually "defensive" players... ;-) MGRA

10:59am Tue 18 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
City Saint wrote:
I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet.

Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster.

Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.
Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market?
GK is the difficult one.. oh and left back are usually "defensive" players... ;-)
Left backs (no names) in our side have a tendency to push forward and sometimes neglect their defensive duties, we have haven't got speedy defenders to cover the space. Foxy is good when we have the ascendency, but sometimes gives the opposition too much space. Shaw could be the answer in the future but his time will come.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: I note that billy sharp hasn't yet done he business for forest after one start and one appearance (10 mins) as a sub. But Dan Harding has already gotten on the scoresheet. Good on ya Dan! He's a classy championship trickster. Let's hope sharpie rediscovers his cutting edge this season, and continues to get fitter. I think he was released for being still a half a yard off the pace.[/p][/quote]Sharps strength was never in his pace, but in his ability to get into the right place, at the right time, and finishing off when he got there, and given the opportunity. There is a tendency to insists on every player being a speedy robot with all their natural ability negated by the tactics being employed. I think the majority of genuine posters on here are still of the opinion that we need a Centre Back with nouse and a bit of pace, maybe a Left Back with defensive capability and/or a Premier experienced GK, are there any unattached players of this ilk available in the market?[/p][/quote]GK is the difficult one.. oh and left back are usually "defensive" players... ;-)[/p][/quote]Left backs (no names) in our side have a tendency to push forward and sometimes neglect their defensive duties, we have haven't got speedy defenders to cover the space. Foxy is good when we have the ascendency, but sometimes gives the opposition too much space. Shaw could be the answer in the future but his time will come. OSPREYSAINT

12:57pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Exiled Saint - front line eastern outpost of Gosport says...

Get the argie in goal and send Fox on loan to Mansfield Town.

Problem solved.
Get the argie in goal and send Fox on loan to Mansfield Town. Problem solved. Exiled Saint - front line eastern outpost of Gosport

3:45pm Tue 18 Sep 12

redduke says...

Costa Baz wrote:
dmaceymacleod wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
southamptonwayne wrote:
Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us.

The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates.

He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four.

With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion.

Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.
Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?
No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required.

There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.
Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games!

I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience!

In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful.

Big step up by all for the Villa game.
In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to.

Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season.

Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench!
So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for?

In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season.

From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne.
1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side.

With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in.
What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them.
Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking.
I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.
Quite correct, Lallana in particular has no pace at all and makes Fox's job even harder. Puncheon's defensive work with Clyne is hampered by the fact that he is all left-footed. Not sure if Cork would improve things there but he's still injured anyway.
Kelvin is having a torrid time at the moment, not covering his near post, and certainly should have stopped the free-kick on Saturday, and RVP's winner. Not sure this is the right time to blood the new keeper though.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dmaceymacleod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonwayne[/bold] wrote: Yoshida is going to need a little time to settle, but when he does he's going to be a really good signing for us. The pace of the Premiership is something to take in to consideration, as well as the language barrier and the fact he's only had one training session with all his new team mates. He's assured, plays nice football, and can bring harmony to our back four. With the addition of a new goalkeeper (Freebie), and recalling Aaron Martin we should have enough to see us through until January in my opinion. Our season started at City, not next week, the last 4 games are essential experience for us as a squad going forward.[/p][/quote]Martin is out on a season long loan not a short term loan where he can be recalled. Please name the 'freebie' keeper you have in mind?[/p][/quote]No recall available for AM then?? Shame, because he's not a bad defender, has pace, and filled in well at centre back when required. There's several on the market, but Artur Boruc and Craig Gordon spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Davis was dreadful against Arsenal. To be beaten at your near post at this level (or any!) is absolutely criminal and he's been beaten twice in four games! I appreciate his efforts over the past couple of years however he's not good enough for the premiership. we paid good money for Gazzinga so use him, or as previously stated, two very good goalies, both with international experience! In regards to the game, it was disappointing we didn't play like we did against United. Punch didn't turn up. Lallana and Lambert were played out of the game and Fox's positioning was dreadful. Big step up by all for the Villa game. In my opinion we need to drop the 4-5-1 and play 4-4-2. two forwards & two wide men covering our full backs. The 4-5-1 simply doesn't work. On saturday, when Lambert did win the ball there was no one there next to him to knock it to. Personally i'd drop Fox and play either Dickson or Shaw. He's been at fault for too many goals this season. Also, with the 4-5-1 why do we have so many attackers on the bench![/p][/quote]So, how many of Arsenal's goals are you blaming Fox for? In fact, why not list the many goals you think he has been responsible for, so far this season. From what I could see, on Saturday, 3 goals came from our right side, against Clyne. 1 goal was direct from a free kick, another from our new centre back being turned and the last one as a result of the ball reaching Walcott from a defensive block, from our right side. With regards to the 433 we have been playing, IMO it is up to Puncheon and Lallana to get back and be the first line of defence, when crosses are being rained in. What I have seen is wide players getting behind Punch and Lallana, then they have all the time in the world to cross the ball, whilst the full backs rush out to try and block them. Unfortunately, there are too many fans that can't see this, so they just slag off the easy target, ie Fox, for not being close enough to the player Lallana should be marking. I dare say Clyne will get the same treatment when he has been here for a few months, unless the wide midfield players start doing what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Quite correct, Lallana in particular has no pace at all and makes Fox's job even harder. Puncheon's defensive work with Clyne is hampered by the fact that he is all left-footed. Not sure if Cork would improve things there but he's still injured anyway. Kelvin is having a torrid time at the moment, not covering his near post, and certainly should have stopped the free-kick on Saturday, and RVP's winner. Not sure this is the right time to blood the new keeper though. redduke

4:35pm Tue 18 Sep 12

abbiscuits says...

i think we should be playing 4-2-3-1 :
gazza?
clyne, yoshi, hoover, shaw,
jwp/davis, spider,
punch(on the right), ramirez, lallana,
rickie
subs: kelv, fox, fonte, jwp/davis, mayuka, lee, j-rod
i think we should be playing 4-2-3-1 : gazza? clyne, yoshi, hoover, shaw, jwp/davis, spider, punch(on the right), ramirez, lallana, rickie subs: kelv, fox, fonte, jwp/davis, mayuka, lee, j-rod abbiscuits

8:55pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Confucious says...

slugger wrote:
the truth as i see it is like this ........ we're all gutted about the start we've made but some handle it different to others ........ me , i'm an optomist and will always back my team and whoever manages them (isn't that what supporting is ?) and others delight in taking the negatives ......... i'm happy to be the way i am !
Between the optimist and the pessimist
The difference is quite droll;
Slugger sees the doughnut
The others see the hole.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: the truth as i see it is like this ........ we're all gutted about the start we've made but some handle it different to others ........ me , i'm an optomist and will always back my team and whoever manages them (isn't that what supporting is ?) and others delight in taking the negatives ......... i'm happy to be the way i am ![/p][/quote]Between the optimist and the pessimist The difference is quite droll; Slugger sees the doughnut The others see the hole. Confucious

10:06am Wed 19 Sep 12

PanchoCheddar says...

Nigel Adkins is doing a good job. A tough start but against the big teams. Adkins is keeping his players motivate and believing. He is iCL manager of the week for his being inspirational under pressure. http://wp.me/P2yTsO-
kd
Nigel Adkins is doing a good job. A tough start but against the big teams. Adkins is keeping his players motivate and believing. He is iCL manager of the week for his being inspirational under pressure. http://wp.me/P2yTsO- kd PanchoCheddar

1:33pm Wed 19 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

insane saint wrote:
go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss
Green available?
[quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: go get van der sar out of retirement for the GK poss[/p][/quote]Green available? lowe esteem

2:06pm Wed 19 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

Saints Are IN The Stripes BULLETIN:

Now then, there's a nice Red one and there's a nice White one,so we still had to wear the nice Yellow one at the Emirates.
Don't get me wrong, these new shirts are 'nice', but they were chosen for all the wrong reasons-OUR Saints should be in Stripes, and I am awaiting confirmation of an early return to our traditional colours-who knows, some good fortune may return with their reintroduction.
I don't blame people for going out and getting "the new shirt"-it's what you do,whatever-especial
ly if you're a superstitious type-but it just ain't Saintly.
Whoever took the crass decision to choose this all -over strip has made an impact but should admit the big mistake, 'Man' up like Mr Ferguson did, and make the change-this time for sensibility not just for changes sake!
This laughable decision has already been highlighted in the national media, where they question the visible lack of respect for tradition and loyalty that is endemic in the genuine fans mindset. Those Stripes are a Big part of what gets us to St Mary's and behind the magnificent Saints. A part of our impact has been -hopefully temporarily-lost along with those valuable points, and rather like the biblical story of hair being lost with strength, it's too late when tempting fate.
Oh, and despite all this, check with the resident bean counter, as I think the shirt sales could have been higher, along with the league position.
Saints Are IN The Stripes BULLETIN: Now then, there's a nice Red one and there's a nice White one,so we still had to wear the nice Yellow one at the Emirates. Don't get me wrong, these new shirts are 'nice', but they were chosen for all the wrong reasons-OUR Saints should be in Stripes, and I am awaiting confirmation of an early return to our traditional colours-who knows, some good fortune may return with their reintroduction. I don't blame people for going out and getting "the new shirt"-it's what you do,whatever-especial ly if you're a superstitious type-but it just ain't Saintly. Whoever took the crass decision to choose this all -over strip has made an impact but should admit the big mistake, 'Man' up like Mr Ferguson did, and make the change-this time for sensibility not just for changes sake! This laughable decision has already been highlighted in the national media, where they question the visible lack of respect for tradition and loyalty that is endemic in the genuine fans mindset. Those Stripes are a Big part of what gets us to St Mary's and behind the magnificent Saints. A part of our impact has been -hopefully temporarily-lost along with those valuable points, and rather like the biblical story of hair being lost with strength, it's too late when tempting fate. Oh, and despite all this, check with the resident bean counter, as I think the shirt sales could have been higher, along with the league position. lowe esteem

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