Would sacking Adkins make things any better?

Daily Echo: Nigel Adkins Nigel Adkins

BEFORE people indulge in too much talk over whether Nigel Adkins should get the sack they should consider one serious question – would things be any better without him if the club policy of playing a certain way does not change?

The truth is that we do not know who is dictating that policy, vision, brand of football – whatever you wish to call it - referred to by Adkins several times after the defeat to West Ham, and unless we know it’s impossible to say results would improve with a new manager.

Under Adkins there have been two hugely successful seasons at St Mary’s with a 4-4-2 formation, consistency of selection and real stability It was not until this season and Saints’ ascension to the Premier League that we started to see a 4-3-3 formation in various guises trotted out every week.

We warned in these very pages before the start of the campaign how risky it would be to disrupt what has been such a winning formula, especially when you are taking a big step up with largely the same squad of players.

Many fans want to see a change in plan from Saints, something to try and stop them conceding so many goals.

They admire the principles of 4-3-3, Barcelona style attacking football, and that the formation has at least seen Saints score most weeks, but what they admire more is seeing their team win matches, and therefore avoid relegation. The personnel cannot be tinkered with much more so it’s either accept this is how it is or try something different and it is surely folly to go down leaking goals most weeks, and therefore losing many games, without attempting a different approach to try and stop that.

So the key to making your mind up as to whether to stick or twist with Adkins is try and ascertain whether this is his formation, his idea, or whether this vision, this brand of football, is being dictated elsewhere.

The reason that is so vital is that, if it’s not his choice, then changing manager may just be a case of changing a face rather than anything more tangible.

There has been a move away from managers being all powerful beings at clubs as money has poured into the game but what about at Saints?

Adkins has spoken of these club principles on how their football will be played, and when pushed after the West Ham game over whether he would be prepared to see Saints get relegated playing this way rather than try something different, his answer again largely boiled down to the club’s ‘vision.’ It doesn’t sound much like that is him saying it is his decision, but it’s hard to be sure.

If it’s really not Adkins though then who is it?

There are two chief contenders.

One is executive chairman Nicola Cortese, the all powerful executive chairman.

The other is Les Reed, who has stayed in the background and whose influence is unclear but from afar appears to have a role not all that far removed from a director of football. Are one, or both of these, deciding the club’s principles and vision, and does Adkins have an input into that? Or is it just down to the manager?

And what of the summer transfer policy that has been exposed as flawed and left Saints desperately short of the necessary options at the back? Who is to blame for that?

Hands up, you have to say in fairness it is a nice vision to have the club playing that way, to have a settled pattern from the first team down through the academy age groups so everyone is used to what has been called ‘the Southampton way.’ But ultimately first team results are always paramount and, if it’s not working, you have to change things.

Sacking Adkins is all very well but it’s the obvious knee jerk reaction. That doesn’t make it the right choice.

He knows the club, the team, the players, he has achieved great things at Saints.

If it is he dictating principles and refusing to change, he who failed to get in the correct players in the summer, then, fair enough, like the changing goalkeepers, questioned substitutions and the decision to drop Rickie Lambert, then it doesn’t reflect well on him.

But if they are not, if ‘club policy’ is dictating, then a new man may well face exactly the same issues, and then what is the point of changing?

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10:00am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saints + Wigan fan II says...

No
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10:13am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support. OSPREYSAINT
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10:27am Tue 23 Oct 12

saintbojay says...

I normally read the story, read the comments and discuss with friends without posting on here. But I have seen three stories this morning all basically saying the same thing regarding saints... just give it a rest?

Adkins should be kept on as Manager up to christmas where the situation can be reviewed again.
I normally read the story, read the comments and discuss with friends without posting on here. But I have seen three stories this morning all basically saying the same thing regarding saints... just give it a rest? Adkins should be kept on as Manager up to christmas where the situation can be reviewed again. saintbojay
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10:27am Tue 23 Oct 12

franiow says...

Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well.

We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support.
Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well. We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support. franiow
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10:29am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance. Saint 2701
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10:32am Tue 23 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

Why cant Adkins just stay and change the style a little bit, be sensible about it.
Why cant Adkins just stay and change the style a little bit, be sensible about it. Nicole23
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10:34am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come! Saintsteve7
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10:35am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet. OSPREYSAINT
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10:37am Tue 23 Oct 12

JohnItaly says...

This article simply endorses what many Saint's fans have been stating via their postings on this site. If indeed it is the case that the club's playing policy is dictated from "above" then sacking NA would not, as this article suggests, necessarily change our fortunes on the pitch but would also in the eyes of many also seriously damage their regard of NC and strengthen beliefs that NC is too autocratic. If NA is sacked then it is safe to assume he will receive (and rightly so) a substantial payoff but any such severance package would almost certainly include a "gagging order" and therefore the truth will remain hidden. If I was a potential incoming manager I would contrive to have words with NA. If the situation arises it will be interesting to see who turns down the job if such information reaches the press.
This article simply endorses what many Saint's fans have been stating via their postings on this site. If indeed it is the case that the club's playing policy is dictated from "above" then sacking NA would not, as this article suggests, necessarily change our fortunes on the pitch but would also in the eyes of many also seriously damage their regard of NC and strengthen beliefs that NC is too autocratic. If NA is sacked then it is safe to assume he will receive (and rightly so) a substantial payoff but any such severance package would almost certainly include a "gagging order" and therefore the truth will remain hidden. If I was a potential incoming manager I would contrive to have words with NA. If the situation arises it will be interesting to see who turns down the job if such information reaches the press. JohnItaly
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10:38am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week. Saint 2701
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10:38am Tue 23 Oct 12

MGRA says...

you don't saw off a wonky leg from a table and then go out and look to see if you can find another leg to mend it with.... then choose a bent leg from another old table. What you do is try to mend the leg you have. See why its wonky and try and fix it. Otherwise everything on your table will fall off.
you don't saw off a wonky leg from a table and then go out and look to see if you can find another leg to mend it with.... then choose a bent leg from another old table. What you do is try to mend the leg you have. See why its wonky and try and fix it. Otherwise everything on your table will fall off. MGRA
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10:39am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.” Saint 2701
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10:43am Tue 23 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks
hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come![/p][/quote]Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong. Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time. He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist. St Retford
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10:44am Tue 23 Oct 12

Jesus_02 says...

Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe. Jesus_02
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10:46am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”[/p][/quote]Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you. OSPREYSAINT
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10:53am Tue 23 Oct 12

Dazzler79 says...

Why do we have to play 4-3-3.
There is obviously some kind of interference from the top.
Last time that happened look what happened to our club.
A new manager coming in still has to work with our shocking defence and trying to get the chuckle brothers at cb to defend properly too.
We can't play the same formation week in week out.
It won't work against the big teams and it's also not working against the lesser teams.
If the mafia can't see that then he should bugger off.
Le Tiss told me he had a hidden agenda 18 months ago.
I wonder if he was right all along.
Why do we have to play 4-3-3. There is obviously some kind of interference from the top. Last time that happened look what happened to our club. A new manager coming in still has to work with our shocking defence and trying to get the chuckle brothers at cb to defend properly too. We can't play the same formation week in week out. It won't work against the big teams and it's also not working against the lesser teams. If the mafia can't see that then he should bugger off. Le Tiss told me he had a hidden agenda 18 months ago. I wonder if he was right all along. Dazzler79
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11:00am Tue 23 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.
likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”[/p][/quote]Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.[/p][/quote]likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV. Saint 2701
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11:02am Tue 23 Oct 12

CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger says...

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2
IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2 CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger
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11:04am Tue 23 Oct 12

Ciaran says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain. Ciaran
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11:13am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.
[quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.[/p][/quote]Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way. OSPREYSAINT
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11:14am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.
likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.
?
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”[/p][/quote]Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.[/p][/quote]likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.[/p][/quote]? OSPREYSAINT
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11:16am Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.
likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.
Well yes I may do that this week-end especially as we are playing on Sunday
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”[/p][/quote]Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.[/p][/quote]likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.[/p][/quote]Well yes I may do that this week-end especially as we are playing on Sunday OSPREYSAINT
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11:16am Tue 23 Oct 12

RedArmy1 says...

LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY.

norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ?

RED ARMY. COYR.
LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY. norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ? RED ARMY. COYR. RedArmy1
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11:25am Tue 23 Oct 12

MGRA says...

St Retford wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.
formations are just a side show imo....it does not matter what formation you play, you still have to mark, defend, keep the ball, create space.. etc etc.
Its not rocket science when your back is against the wall. Keep it simple. Play to your strengths. Play your best team. Play for 90 minutes. There is no doubt that our strength is attacking flair, but late in games that leads to too much space in front of our penalty area and its making us one of the most predictable sides in the league. Another thing I have noticed is that our centre halves don't have the confidence they had last year ( understandable ) and tend to play flatter next to each other rather than having more movement up and down trusting full backs to mark behind... This hesitancy is a major cause of leaked goals from crosses in all teams. It does not matter what formation a team plays, these fundamentals need fixing.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come![/p][/quote]Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong. Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time. He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.[/p][/quote]formations are just a side show imo....it does not matter what formation you play, you still have to mark, defend, keep the ball, create space.. etc etc. Its not rocket science when your back is against the wall. Keep it simple. Play to your strengths. Play your best team. Play for 90 minutes. There is no doubt that our strength is attacking flair, but late in games that leads to too much space in front of our penalty area and its making us one of the most predictable sides in the league. Another thing I have noticed is that our centre halves don't have the confidence they had last year ( understandable ) and tend to play flatter next to each other rather than having more movement up and down trusting full backs to mark behind... This hesitancy is a major cause of leaked goals from crosses in all teams. It does not matter what formation a team plays, these fundamentals need fixing. MGRA
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11:37am Tue 23 Oct 12

St Retford says...

RedArmy1 wrote:
LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY.

norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ?

RED ARMY. COYR.
When all is said and done, this is what it's all about.
[quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY. norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ? RED ARMY. COYR.[/p][/quote]When all is said and done, this is what it's all about. St Retford
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11:56am Tue 23 Oct 12

Jesus_02 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.
Would sacking Adkins make things any better?

Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future

Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss

All pretty possitive headlines?

Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him..

Seems rather undermining to me
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.[/p][/quote]Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.[/p][/quote]Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me Jesus_02
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12:05pm Tue 23 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

A positive article about our Nige - well nearly!
Let's face it we are a shadow of the team that played last season when we play a lone striker. We are slow to counter - and our passing is not good enough when we get forward in numbers on the break.
I love winning, but I also like enjoying the football too. At the end of the day I would hate to watch us bore to 1-0 wins every week...where's the enjoyment in that?
The Southampton style has served us well for the last 2-seasons - I'd rather it stayed for another 10-years and we became a yo-yo club, than be like we once were.
We had no pride, no passion and no balls once - I don't want those days back ever again!
A positive article about our Nige - well nearly! Let's face it we are a shadow of the team that played last season when we play a lone striker. We are slow to counter - and our passing is not good enough when we get forward in numbers on the break. I love winning, but I also like enjoying the football too. At the end of the day I would hate to watch us bore to 1-0 wins every week...where's the enjoyment in that? The Southampton style has served us well for the last 2-seasons - I'd rather it stayed for another 10-years and we became a yo-yo club, than be like we once were. We had no pride, no passion and no balls once - I don't want those days back ever again! St.Yorkie
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12:32pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Ciaran says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.
Would sacking Adkins make things any better?

Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future

Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss

All pretty possitive headlines?

Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him..

Seems rather undermining to me
It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault.

If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.[/p][/quote]Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.[/p][/quote]Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me[/p][/quote]It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you. Ciaran
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12:42pm Tue 23 Oct 12

ramptonfromsouthampton says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
I haven't gone yet.
Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”
Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.
likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.
Saint 2701, it appears to me from the postings you leave here that you are an ignorant individual and rude with it. Therefore, it's hard to take anything you write with any seriousness.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]I haven't gone yet.[/p][/quote]Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”[/p][/quote]Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.[/p][/quote]likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.[/p][/quote]Saint 2701, it appears to me from the postings you leave here that you are an ignorant individual and rude with it. Therefore, it's hard to take anything you write with any seriousness. ramptonfromsouthampton
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12:51pm Tue 23 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

well the club is owned by the liebherr family, and cortese is the appointed man to oversee the running of it.so he can do whatever he fcukin well likes, and you me and everyones uncle can moan,whinge,clap,sho
ut,chant throw a wobbly whatever. and it will not make the slightest difference cos we aint in charge mr cortese is.me well I just turn up and support whats on the pitch.
well the club is owned by the liebherr family, and cortese is the appointed man to oversee the running of it.so he can do whatever he fcukin well likes, and you me and everyones uncle can moan,whinge,clap,sho ut,chant throw a wobbly whatever. and it will not make the slightest difference cos we aint in charge mr cortese is.me well I just turn up and support whats on the pitch. angus mc coatup
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1:29pm Tue 23 Oct 12

billythesaint says...

St Retford wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.
The best formation has no name. It's fluid.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come![/p][/quote]Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong. Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time. He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.[/p][/quote]The best formation has no name. It's fluid. billythesaint
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1:32pm Tue 23 Oct 12

billythesaint says...

billythesaint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks


hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.
The best formation has no name. It's fluid.
...and as soon as I've worked out what this means I'll let you guys know!
[quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come![/p][/quote]Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong. Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time. He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.[/p][/quote]The best formation has no name. It's fluid.[/p][/quote]...and as soon as I've worked out what this means I'll let you guys know! billythesaint
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1:34pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

Stick with the Manager. He has earned the right over the past two seasons to have a full season in the Premiership. Our defending as a team and as individuals has been awful this season. This is not down to tactics, it doesn't matter if you ply 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or even 8-1-1 if you dont mark your man and if you dont get tackles in you will concede goals. We had a 5 year plan and we are ahead of it. Those same people who were saying that Jose and Hoover were class are now slating them. We have had two games in which we have dropped points in that we probably would have had down as wins. Wigan was a wake up call, Fulham we pulversied them for 45 minutes and if Ramirez had played I am convin ced we would have been out of site by half time. Did we expect anythuing against UTD,Citegh, Arsenal and Everton, in truth no, West Ham we might have expected a point.All the team needs is a couple of results on the bounce to get the confidence up, and to get Cork, Ramirez and Lee fit. We are not cast adrift at the foot of the table, and I am sure we will imporve and avoid relegation, if not then we regroup and come again. Keep the faith and rememeber where we have come from in a very short space of time.
Stick with the Manager. He has earned the right over the past two seasons to have a full season in the Premiership. Our defending as a team and as individuals has been awful this season. This is not down to tactics, it doesn't matter if you ply 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or even 8-1-1 if you dont mark your man and if you dont get tackles in you will concede goals. We had a 5 year plan and we are ahead of it. Those same people who were saying that Jose and Hoover were class are now slating them. We have had two games in which we have dropped points in that we probably would have had down as wins. Wigan was a wake up call, Fulham we pulversied them for 45 minutes and if Ramirez had played I am convin ced we would have been out of site by half time. Did we expect anythuing against UTD,Citegh, Arsenal and Everton, in truth no, West Ham we might have expected a point.All the team needs is a couple of results on the bounce to get the confidence up, and to get Cork, Ramirez and Lee fit. We are not cast adrift at the foot of the table, and I am sure we will imporve and avoid relegation, if not then we regroup and come again. Keep the faith and rememeber where we have come from in a very short space of time. Redrobbo
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1:35pm Tue 23 Oct 12

thingummy says...

Adkins should stay. This defence may take us straight back down. He should still stay.

I hate losing - but I also hated supporting the saints when we were unstable, losing and in total disrray.

If you added anti niemi and Michael Svensson to this team, we would be fine. Need a goalie with a bit of presence and org skills and a brute of a centre back who puts fear of God in opposition and team mate. Remember WGS brought in Paul Williams - limited but did the job.

All good fun
Adkins should stay. This defence may take us straight back down. He should still stay. I hate losing - but I also hated supporting the saints when we were unstable, losing and in total disrray. If you added anti niemi and Michael Svensson to this team, we would be fine. Need a goalie with a bit of presence and org skills and a brute of a centre back who puts fear of God in opposition and team mate. Remember WGS brought in Paul Williams - limited but did the job. All good fun thingummy
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1:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Jesus_02 says...

Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.
Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me
It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.
Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority?

Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it!

If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety.
[quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.[/p][/quote]Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.[/p][/quote]Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me[/p][/quote]It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.[/p][/quote]Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority? Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it! If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety. Jesus_02
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2:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12

drummernath says...

I'm glad Nigel doesn't read the papers. This sort of thing can only put more pressure on him. It's not like he's not trying. His main flaws so far have been not bringing in more defenders in the transfer window and not playing our best starting 11.

He has until Christmas to sort out the squad selection and playing style, if he makes up for that he can use the January transfer window to strengthen at the back.

Sick of all this talk, and of Harry's face appearing on my screen.
I'm glad Nigel doesn't read the papers. This sort of thing can only put more pressure on him. It's not like he's not trying. His main flaws so far have been not bringing in more defenders in the transfer window and not playing our best starting 11. He has until Christmas to sort out the squad selection and playing style, if he makes up for that he can use the January transfer window to strengthen at the back. Sick of all this talk, and of Harry's face appearing on my screen. drummernath
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2:15pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Ciaran says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Ciaran wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.
Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.
Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.
Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me
It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.
Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority?

Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it!

If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety.
I'm envious of your ability to ignore what is in front of you.

Must be nice to live in a world which is all of your own making rather than having to weigh up the implications of reality - no matter how obvious it is.

As you have the SDE, you'll know it actually says "No words of support for Adkins from Saints". All of the stories are about how Saints have chosen not to back him - not the journos turning on him.

In fact, the manager himself has said he doesn't know how long he has before he is sacked.

As said, this article says SFC's problems are not of Adkins' making - they are those of other people so it would be unfair (and pointless) to sack him.

There's also an article from Terry Paine saying how Adkins needs more time and Benali gives him support too. There are dozens of comments in the paper from fans supporting Adkins.

But yeah, you're right. The paper is trying to undermine him. Perhaps, you should simply count through the number of comments from people saying this article is supporting Adkins, rather than trying to call me naive when in actual fact all you are doing is refusing to let reality affect your already (mis-in)formed opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.[/p][/quote]Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.[/p][/quote]Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.[/p][/quote]Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me[/p][/quote]It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.[/p][/quote]Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority? Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it! If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety.[/p][/quote]I'm envious of your ability to ignore what is in front of you. Must be nice to live in a world which is all of your own making rather than having to weigh up the implications of reality - no matter how obvious it is. As you have the SDE, you'll know it actually says "No words of support for Adkins from Saints". All of the stories are about how Saints have chosen not to back him - not the journos turning on him. In fact, the manager himself has said he doesn't know how long he has before he is sacked. As said, this article says SFC's problems are not of Adkins' making - they are those of other people so it would be unfair (and pointless) to sack him. There's also an article from Terry Paine saying how Adkins needs more time and Benali gives him support too. There are dozens of comments in the paper from fans supporting Adkins. But yeah, you're right. The paper is trying to undermine him. Perhaps, you should simply count through the number of comments from people saying this article is supporting Adkins, rather than trying to call me naive when in actual fact all you are doing is refusing to let reality affect your already (mis-in)formed opinion. Ciaran
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2:15pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Blandford Saints says...

I still remember the club had a five year plan to get to the Premier League. With most of this season and all of next still to go the future is bright. The young players we have will all be at the age to perform at the start of the 2014/2015 season, in the Premier League.
Five Year Plan??!!
I still remember the club had a five year plan to get to the Premier League. With most of this season and all of next still to go the future is bright. The young players we have will all be at the age to perform at the start of the 2014/2015 season, in the Premier League. Five Year Plan??!! Blandford Saints
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2:25pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Costa Baz says...

Only those at the top of the food chain, at SFC, know with any certainty if NA is playing 4-3-3 at the chairman's direction.

If, and I say IF, NA is being told that he must play 4-3-3, I believe he has 4 options.

1) He plays 4-3-3 and hopes that his team step up to the plate and start picking up points, thus stopping him from being sacked.

2) He ignores the direction to play 4-3-3, and implements his own formation, and risks being sacked for not following directions.

3) He resigns and sues the club for forcing him out by means of bullying and harassment. Namely by "setting him up to fail, by not allowing him to manage the team and decide on playing formations etc,"

4) He should just resign and walk away, to safeguard his reputation.

I have a great deal of admiration for Nigel, and hope he can find the magic formula he is looking for, that will start us winning, sooner rather than later.
Only those at the top of the food chain, at SFC, know with any certainty if NA is playing 4-3-3 at the chairman's direction. If, and I say IF, NA is being told that he must play 4-3-3, I believe he has 4 options. 1) He plays 4-3-3 and hopes that his team step up to the plate and start picking up points, thus stopping him from being sacked. 2) He ignores the direction to play 4-3-3, and implements his own formation, and risks being sacked for not following directions. 3) He resigns and sues the club for forcing him out by means of bullying and harassment. Namely by "setting him up to fail, by not allowing him to manage the team and decide on playing formations etc," 4) He should just resign and walk away, to safeguard his reputation. I have a great deal of admiration for Nigel, and hope he can find the magic formula he is looking for, that will start us winning, sooner rather than later. Costa Baz
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2:36pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Beer Monster says...

So far, I haven't commented on these threads because as soon as I've read the comments on one, the DE introduces another one to try and incite negative comments. Come on Echo, I don't care how annoying the official club stance is regarding the media, get behind the team or I'll start calling you the Daily Skunt.

Nigel deserves to stay at least until the end of the season - agreed with Blandford, even if we get relegated then we're still in a fine position to bounce back up and achieve the five year plan.
So far, I haven't commented on these threads because as soon as I've read the comments on one, the DE introduces another one to try and incite negative comments. Come on Echo, I don't care how annoying the official club stance is regarding the media, get behind the team or I'll start calling you the Daily Skunt. Nigel deserves to stay at least until the end of the season - agreed with Blandford, even if we get relegated then we're still in a fine position to bounce back up and achieve the five year plan. Beer Monster
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2:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12

saintjak says...

Keep Adkins and have faith

November is key.

Midtable by December
Keep Adkins and have faith November is key. Midtable by December saintjak
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3:05pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Ontario Saint says...

I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories.
Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace,
I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions.
Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here.
Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor
I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories. Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace, I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions. Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here. Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor Ontario Saint
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3:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12

saintshorse101 says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up! saintshorse101
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4:12pm Tue 23 Oct 12

KingKhan1983 says...

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2”
IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2

Never before have i heard Mike Bassett England Manager so beautifully quoted!! Hats off to you CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger!!!
IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2” IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2 Never before have i heard Mike Bassett England Manager so beautifully quoted!! Hats off to you CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger!!! KingKhan1983
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4:34pm Tue 23 Oct 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

iN A FAIR WORLD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE STAY UP THIS SEASON OR GET RELEGATED.Nigel should be able to stay.Lawrie Mac got SAINTS relegated from the top flight in his first season.it took him several seasons to get us back up where we belonged but George Reader was an old school chairman.the best we ever had.Try telling Cortese that patience is a virtue hard to come by.if NC shows no patience it will be bye bye Mr N. ADKINS.
iN A FAIR WORLD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE STAY UP THIS SEASON OR GET RELEGATED.Nigel should be able to stay.Lawrie Mac got SAINTS relegated from the top flight in his first season.it took him several seasons to get us back up where we belonged but George Reader was an old school chairman.the best we ever had.Try telling Cortese that patience is a virtue hard to come by.if NC shows no patience it will be bye bye Mr N. ADKINS. CB FRY LIVES
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4:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12

PTID1898 says...

Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight PTID1898
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4:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight
Why do you feel the need to post the same message on every thread? Have to bow to your experience in the going down department though, nobody does that better.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight[/p][/quote]Why do you feel the need to post the same message on every thread? Have to bow to your experience in the going down department though, nobody does that better. OSPREYSAINT
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5:08pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Good Looking Man About Town. says...

Good article. This 433 stuff is stupid. Play it when we have the players to do so ffs
Good article. This 433 stuff is stupid. Play it when we have the players to do so ffs Good Looking Man About Town.
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5:10pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Good Looking Man About Town. says...

Also add as someone mentioned before a like button under each comment. Will give a clearer reflection of opinion.
Also add as someone mentioned before a like button under each comment. Will give a clearer reflection of opinion. Good Looking Man About Town.
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5:21pm Tue 23 Oct 12

rossofficial10 says...

can we get kelvin davies back in goal please?

can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs.

I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw.

i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily.

maybe a new defender wont go a miss either?

ps,does anyone want to buy guly?

i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol
can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol rossofficial10
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5:55pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Ray the Don says...

All of you are a sad bunch of muppets.

COYR.

Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC.
All of you are a sad bunch of muppets. COYR. Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC. Ray the Don
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6:18pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Is it just me or does this article have the feel (and poor English) of Nick Illingworth at the Ugly Inside.

Adam, I dare you to be honest, who wrote it? It doesn't feel like you, but if it is, you need a better sub-editor or proofreader.

I'm cheap!
Is it just me or does this article have the feel (and poor English) of Nick Illingworth at the Ugly Inside. Adam, I dare you to be honest, who wrote it? It doesn't feel like you, but if it is, you need a better sub-editor or proofreader. I'm cheap! Strasbourg Saint
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6:35pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!
Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up![/p][/quote]Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in. And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life. Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder! Saint 2701
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6:38pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!
Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.
Well put, I fully agree with you both.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration. Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1. KD NC,JF,Maya,Fox, JP,MS,GR,SD,AL RL. Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come![/p][/quote]Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong. Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time. He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.[/p][/quote]Well put, I fully agree with you both. Strasbourg Saint
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6:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12

soton1980 says...

Ontario Saint wrote:
I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories.
Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace,
I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions.
Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here.
Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor
Agreed. Looking at the articles posted recently (not just this one), there is just too much negativity and it can't be helping matters. No assumptions should be made that Nigel is about to sacked when there is absolutely no evidence from the club that this is the case.
[quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories. Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace, I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions. Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here. Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor[/p][/quote]Agreed. Looking at the articles posted recently (not just this one), there is just too much negativity and it can't be helping matters. No assumptions should be made that Nigel is about to sacked when there is absolutely no evidence from the club that this is the case. soton1980
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7:22pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Taunton Saint says...

This makes me laugh ......

"BEFORE people indulge in too much talk over whether Nigel Adkins should get the sack "

The opening words of this artile, it is the Echo with 4 stories today all saying the same one titled "plight" that are stirring it doing too much indulging etc etc

Pathetic Adam this is what this is, n agenda against the club, you could barely celebrate promotion without spinning a negative story about no open top bus ride etc

2 years ago you, like I were, at Yeovil, Leyton Orient, Exeter, Hartlepool etc etc now we are at Mn City Arsenal, Everton etc beacuse of one man

Get behind him, get a good atmosphere going for Sunday by trying to boost and help the club.

No one is pretending that all is rosey of course we are not, but what we all hate is negativity for the chance to sell more papers etc etc get behind the team !!
This makes me laugh ...... "BEFORE people indulge in too much talk over whether Nigel Adkins should get the sack " The opening words of this artile, it is the Echo with 4 stories today all saying the same one titled "plight" that are stirring it doing too much indulging etc etc Pathetic Adam this is what this is, n agenda against the club, you could barely celebrate promotion without spinning a negative story about no open top bus ride etc 2 years ago you, like I were, at Yeovil, Leyton Orient, Exeter, Hartlepool etc etc now we are at Mn City Arsenal, Everton etc beacuse of one man Get behind him, get a good atmosphere going for Sunday by trying to boost and help the club. No one is pretending that all is rosey of course we are not, but what we all hate is negativity for the chance to sell more papers etc etc get behind the team !! Taunton Saint
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7:57pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!
Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!
No abuse in "big mouth loser" then? "Help harry and the boys?" If that happens you will be supporting the Saints on your own, if in fact you are what you say you are because nothing you say is any way positive towards the Club, You don't appear to have a chip on your shoulder, the situation is completely vacant in that area.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up![/p][/quote]Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in. And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life. Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder![/p][/quote]No abuse in "big mouth loser" then? "Help harry and the boys?" If that happens you will be supporting the Saints on your own, if in fact you are what you say you are because nothing you say is any way positive towards the Club, You don't appear to have a chip on your shoulder, the situation is completely vacant in that area. OSPREYSAINT
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7:59pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Ray the Don wrote:
All of you are a sad bunch of muppets.

COYR.

Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC.
All of who?
[quote][p][bold]Ray the Don[/bold] wrote: All of you are a sad bunch of muppets. COYR. Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC.[/p][/quote]All of who? OSPREYSAINT
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8:01pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Oh Dear Manure 1 down already. Fergie out!
Oh Dear Manure 1 down already. Fergie out! OSPREYSAINT
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8:06pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

My my Manure 0 2 & Barca 0 Celtic 1
My my Manure 0 2 & Barca 0 Celtic 1 OSPREYSAINT
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8:42pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

The Echo are going down & down in my estimation.

Stirring up ill-feeling for days with scurrilous, ill-judged rumour mongering.

Echo - your own poll shows the overwhelming majority of those who have posted support Nige, so why don't you reflect that, get off his back & try supporting the local team like other regional rags do???

You might sell more papers then.

COYR!
The Echo are going down & down in my estimation. Stirring up ill-feeling for days with scurrilous, ill-judged rumour mongering. Echo - your own poll shows the overwhelming majority of those who have posted support Nige, so why don't you reflect that, get off his back & try supporting the local team like other regional rags do??? You might sell more papers then. COYR! Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
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9:11pm Tue 23 Oct 12

hedge end bob says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.
good riddance.
well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!
Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!
YOUR A GRADE ONE ****.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.[/p][/quote]good riddance.[/p][/quote]well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up![/p][/quote]Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in. And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life. Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder![/p][/quote]YOUR A GRADE ONE ****. hedge end bob
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9:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12

hedge end bob says...

TW@T
TW@T hedge end bob
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9:47pm Tue 23 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight
Not sure which thread you are on but you lost 1 2 to Stevenage tonight, thought I would let you know in case you missed it.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight[/p][/quote]Not sure which thread you are on but you lost 1 2 to Stevenage tonight, thought I would let you know in case you missed it. OSPREYSAINT
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10:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12

TEBOURBA says...

Things to do :-
SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints
NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking.
NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks
On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD.
NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good.
Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory.
Things to do :- SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking. NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD. NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good. Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory. TEBOURBA
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8:00am Wed 24 Oct 12

Normandy says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2
The quoted ' If' by Rk would not exactly apply to Pasty face got a new motor 'Arry now would it,
I do want NA to stay but ot has to be said he has made some match changing substitution errors, give him until Christmas if he is still getting it
wrong the. Bring back the discusion
but leave him to get on with the job now
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2[/p][/quote]The quoted ' If' by Rk would not exactly apply to Pasty face got a new motor 'Arry now would it, I do want NA to stay but ot has to be said he has made some match changing substitution errors, give him until Christmas if he is still getting it wrong the. Bring back the discusion but leave him to get on with the job now Normandy
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8:52am Wed 24 Oct 12

Ozmosis says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight
LOL. Shame you lost! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight[/p][/quote]LOL. Shame you lost! ;-) Ozmosis
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1:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol
We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes.
We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol[/p][/quote]We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes. We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement. Redrobbo
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1:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol
We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes.
We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol[/p][/quote]We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes. We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement. Redrobbo
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1:52pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Rednick says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Things to do :- SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking. NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD. NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good. Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory.
Totally agree with you Tebourba.
We are all supposed to be Saints fans on here - some comments make me think otherwise! - so let's get behind the manager and the team.

We don't know what happens behind closed doors, (some THINK they know), but the only comment I would make is that when NA speaks to the press, he chooses his words very carefully, and speaks for the 'collective good'. As much as I know he would, I get the feeling he would cannot speak from the heart.

Come on Saints, let NA do what he is best at, back him to the hilt and let him run the team.Just let NC keep to the business side, which is what he does best!!
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Things to do :- SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking. NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD. NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good. Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you Tebourba. We are all supposed to be Saints fans on here - some comments make me think otherwise! - so let's get behind the manager and the team. We don't know what happens behind closed doors, (some THINK they know), but the only comment I would make is that when NA speaks to the press, he chooses his words very carefully, and speaks for the 'collective good'. As much as I know he would, I get the feeling he would cannot speak from the heart. Come on Saints, let NA do what he is best at, back him to the hilt and let him run the team.Just let NC keep to the business side, which is what he does best!! Rednick
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3:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12

PanchoCheddar says...

Good piece, stick with him. Saints need stability, look at the West Brom model. Loyalty with good managers breeds success in the long term. Check out The impress Coaching Blog where this is discussed.
Good piece, stick with him. Saints need stability, look at the West Brom model. Loyalty with good managers breeds success in the long term. Check out The impress Coaching Blog where this is discussed. PanchoCheddar
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3:51pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Merry94 says...

Adkins has my full support, without him i wouldn't be supporting a premier league team, even if we are 18th.
Adkins has my full support, without him i wouldn't be supporting a premier league team, even if we are 18th. Merry94
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4:02pm Wed 24 Oct 12

spratt says...

franiow wrote:
Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well. We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support.
Do you think he would be "snapped up" by any other Premiership Club? Great Guy but out of his depth. It would be nice to give him a chance say until Christmas but if things continued as they currently are until then then our return to the Championship could already be sealed by then. Is that what fans want? It is not just a matter of Nigel's ability to survive the truth is that due to lack of activity in the close season the whole SQUAD is in disarray.
[quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well. We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support.[/p][/quote]Do you think he would be "snapped up" by any other Premiership Club? Great Guy but out of his depth. It would be nice to give him a chance say until Christmas but if things continued as they currently are until then [and nothing suggests they would not] then our return to the Championship could already be sealed by then. Is that what fans want? It is not just a matter of Nigel's ability to survive the truth is that due to lack of activity in the close season the whole SQUAD is in disarray. spratt
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1:03pm Thu 25 Oct 12

hates the skates says...

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!
if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!! hates the skates
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1:03pm Thu 25 Oct 12

hates the skates says...

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!
if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!! hates the skates
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1:03pm Thu 25 Oct 12

hates the skates says...

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!
if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!! hates the skates
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5:31am Fri 26 Oct 12

martin van tuyl says...

Adam Leitch makes some interesting points. Difficult to believe NA is being dictated to from above but.....after sitting through the Lowe years, you do wonder.

Bottom line is, we are not winning games and are shipping far too many goals. We might all have differing opinions on solutions but criticism is NOT akin to treason!
Adam Leitch makes some interesting points. Difficult to believe NA is being dictated to from above but.....after sitting through the Lowe years, you do wonder. Bottom line is, we are not winning games and are shipping far too many goals. We might all have differing opinions on solutions but criticism is NOT akin to treason! martin van tuyl
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