Would sacking Adkins make things any better? (From Daily Echo)

No

The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

I normally read the story, read the comments and discuss with friends without posting on here. But I have seen three stories this morning all basically saying the same thing regarding saints... just give it a rest?

Adkins should be kept on as Manager up to christmas where the situation can be reviewed again.

Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well.

We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

Why cant Adkins just stay and change the style a little bit, be sensible about it.

I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

This article simply endorses what many Saint's fans have been stating via their postings on this site. If indeed it is the case that the club's playing policy is dictated from "above" then sacking NA would not, as this article suggests, necessarily change our fortunes on the pitch but would also in the eyes of many also seriously damage their regard of NC and strengthen beliefs that NC is too autocratic. If NA is sacked then it is safe to assume he will receive (and rightly so) a substantial payoff but any such severance package would almost certainly include a "gagging order" and therefore the truth will remain hidden. If I was a potential incoming manager I would contrive to have words with NA. If the situation arises it will be interesting to see who turns down the job if such information reaches the press.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.

you don't saw off a wonky leg from a table and then go out and look to see if you can find another leg to mend it with.... then choose a bent leg from another old table. What you do is try to mend the leg you have. See why its wonky and try and fix it. Otherwise everything on your table will fall off.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks
hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.

Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.

Why do we have to play 4-3-3.
There is obviously some kind of interference from the top.
Last time that happened look what happened to our club.
A new manager coming in still has to work with our shocking defence and trying to get the chuckle brothers at cb to defend properly too.
We can't play the same formation week in week out.
It won't work against the big teams and it's also not working against the lesser teams.
If the mafia can't see that then he should bugger off.
Le Tiss told me he had a hidden agenda 18 months ago.
I wonder if he was right all along.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.

likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.

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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
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If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2

Jesus_02 wrote:
Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote:
Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay.

Bad news is good news for newpapers.

I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.

likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.

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Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.

likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.

Well yes I may do that this week-end especially as we are playing on Sunday

LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY.

norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ?

RED ARMY. COYR.

St Retford wrote:

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.

formations are just a side show imo....it does not matter what formation you play, you still have to mark, defend, keep the ball, create space.. etc etc.
Its not rocket science when your back is against the wall. Keep it simple. Play to your strengths. Play your best team. Play for 90 minutes. There is no doubt that our strength is attacking flair, but late in games that leads to too much space in front of our penalty area and its making us one of the most predictable sides in the league. Another thing I have noticed is that our centre halves don't have the confidence they had last year ( understandable ) and tend to play flatter next to each other rather than having more movement up and down trusting full backs to mark behind... This hesitancy is a major cause of leaked goals from crosses in all teams. It does not matter what formation a team plays, these fundamentals need fixing.

RedArmy1 wrote:
LET'S GET BEHIND THE LADS AND GET THE WIN ON SUNDAY.

norwich beat arsr*nil - why not THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON beating spurs ?

RED ARMY. COYR.

When all is said and done, this is what it's all about.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.

Would sacking Adkins make things any better?

Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future

Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss

All pretty possitive headlines?

Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him..

Seems rather undermining to me

A positive article about our Nige - well nearly!
Let's face it we are a shadow of the team that played last season when we play a lone striker. We are slow to counter - and our passing is not good enough when we get forward in numbers on the break.
I love winning, but I also like enjoying the football too. At the end of the day I would hate to watch us bore to 1-0 wins every week...where's the enjoyment in that?
The Southampton style has served us well for the last 2-seasons - I'd rather it stayed for another 10-years and we became a yo-yo club, than be like we once were.
We had no pride, no passion and no balls once - I don't want those days back ever again!

Jesus_02 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.

Would sacking Adkins make things any better?

Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future

Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss

All pretty possitive headlines?

Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him..

Seems rather undermining to me

It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault.

If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

I haven't gone yet.

Well atleast you have something in common with Nigel then; your both be gone by the end of the week.”

Well in that case goodbye then, it hasn't been nice knowing you.

likewise, enjoy saturday daytime TV.

Saint 2701, it appears to me from the postings you leave here that you are an ignorant individual and rude with it. Therefore, it's hard to take anything you write with any seriousness.

well the club is owned by the liebherr family, and cortese is the appointed man to oversee the running of it.so he can do whatever he fcukin well likes, and you me and everyones uncle can moan,whinge,clap,sho
ut,chant throw a wobbly whatever. and it will not make the slightest difference cos we aint in charge mr cortese is.me well I just turn up and support whats on the pitch.

St Retford wrote:

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.

The best formation has no name. It's fluid.

billythesaint wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks


hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.

The best formation has no name. It's fluid.

...and as soon as I've worked out what this means I'll let you guys know!

Stick with the Manager. He has earned the right over the past two seasons to have a full season in the Premiership. Our defending as a team and as individuals has been awful this season. This is not down to tactics, it doesn't matter if you ply 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or even 8-1-1 if you dont mark your man and if you dont get tackles in you will concede goals. We had a 5 year plan and we are ahead of it. Those same people who were saying that Jose and Hoover were class are now slating them. We have had two games in which we have dropped points in that we probably would have had down as wins. Wigan was a wake up call, Fulham we pulversied them for 45 minutes and if Ramirez had played I am convin ced we would have been out of site by half time. Did we expect anythuing against UTD,Citegh, Arsenal and Everton, in truth no, West Ham we might have expected a point.All the team needs is a couple of results on the bounce to get the confidence up, and to get Cork, Ramirez and Lee fit. We are not cast adrift at the foot of the table, and I am sure we will imporve and avoid relegation, if not then we regroup and come again. Keep the faith and rememeber where we have come from in a very short space of time.

Adkins should stay. This defence may take us straight back down. He should still stay.

I hate losing - but I also hated supporting the saints when we were unstable, losing and in total disrray.

If you added anti niemi and Michael Svensson to this team, we would be fine. Need a goalie with a bit of presence and org skills and a brute of a centre back who puts fear of God in opposition and team mate. Remember WGS brought in Paul Williams - limited but did the job.

All good fun

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.

Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me

It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.

Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority?

Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it!

If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety.

I'm glad Nigel doesn't read the papers. This sort of thing can only put more pressure on him. It's not like he's not trying. His main flaws so far have been not bringing in more defenders in the transfer window and not playing our best starting 11.

He has until Christmas to sort out the squad selection and playing style, if he makes up for that he can use the January transfer window to strengthen at the back.

Sick of all this talk, and of Harry's face appearing on my screen.

Jesus_02 wrote:

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Ciaran wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote: Vocal minority that post on here say get rid of him. Echo folloow that up even though the survey says 75% want him to stay. Bad news is good news for newpapers. I would rather get relegated with Adkins and Cortese than have stayed in the Championship with Jan Porkfillet and the gand of Gorgons that where Wilde, Crouch and Lowe.

Er, this article is saying Saints should keep Adkins, so they are reflecting that fact that the majority want him to remain.

Now you have upset MGRA and GHK, they didn't see it that way.

Would sacking Adkins make things any better? Saints tight-lipped over Adkins' future Bookies see Harry as the next Saints boss All pretty possitive headlines? Just because they say (para) that if Cortese is responsible for the team selection and transfer policy (which they state has failed) then there is no point sacking Adkins doesnt mean that they support him.. Seems rather undermining to me

It may seem it to you, but it doesn't mean it is. Most people seem to agree this article supports Adkins, mainly by saying there's point sacking him for something which is not his fault. If you want to misread it or interpret it differently, that's your decision, but the majority disagree with you.

Ciaran am I to assume that you are the majority?

Its not mad paranoia... today’s echo has "No words of support for Adkins" emblazoned along the top of it!

If you think that an article that says that there no point in sacking Adkins because he is not in charge anyway is actually supporting him then I am envious of your naivety.

I'm envious of your ability to ignore what is in front of you.

Must be nice to live in a world which is all of your own making rather than having to weigh up the implications of reality - no matter how obvious it is.

As you have the SDE, you'll know it actually says "No words of support for Adkins from Saints". All of the stories are about how Saints have chosen not to back him - not the journos turning on him.

In fact, the manager himself has said he doesn't know how long he has before he is sacked.

As said, this article says SFC's problems are not of Adkins' making - they are those of other people so it would be unfair (and pointless) to sack him.

There's also an article from Terry Paine saying how Adkins needs more time and Benali gives him support too. There are dozens of comments in the paper from fans supporting Adkins.

But yeah, you're right. The paper is trying to undermine him. Perhaps, you should simply count through the number of comments from people saying this article is supporting Adkins, rather than trying to call me naive when in actual fact all you are doing is refusing to let reality affect your already (mis-in)formed opinion.

I still remember the club had a five year plan to get to the Premier League. With most of this season and all of next still to go the future is bright. The young players we have will all be at the age to perform at the start of the 2014/2015 season, in the Premier League.
Five Year Plan??!!

Only those at the top of the food chain, at SFC, know with any certainty if NA is playing 4-3-3 at the chairman's direction.

If, and I say IF, NA is being told that he must play 4-3-3, I believe he has 4 options.

1) He plays 4-3-3 and hopes that his team step up to the plate and start picking up points, thus stopping him from being sacked.

2) He ignores the direction to play 4-3-3, and implements his own formation, and risks being sacked for not following directions.

3) He resigns and sues the club for forcing him out by means of bullying and harassment. Namely by "setting him up to fail, by not allowing him to manage the team and decide on playing formations etc,"

4) He should just resign and walk away, to safeguard his reputation.

I have a great deal of admiration for Nigel, and hope he can find the magic formula he is looking for, that will start us winning, sooner rather than later.

So far, I haven't commented on these threads because as soon as I've read the comments on one, the DE introduces another one to try and incite negative comments. Come on Echo, I don't care how annoying the official club stance is regarding the media, get behind the team or I'll start calling you the Daily Skunt.

Nigel deserves to stay at least until the end of the season - agreed with Blandford, even if we get relegated then we're still in a fine position to bounce back up and achieve the five year plan.

Keep Adkins and have faith

November is key.

Midtable by December

I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories.
Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace,
I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions.
Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here.
Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2”
IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!' If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2

Never before have i heard Mike Bassett England Manager so beautifully quoted!! Hats off to you CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger!!!

iN A FAIR WORLD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE STAY UP THIS SEASON OR GET RELEGATED.Nigel should be able to stay.Lawrie Mac got SAINTS relegated from the top flight in his first season.it took him several seasons to get us back up where we belonged but George Reader was an old school chairman.the best we ever had.Try telling Cortese that patience is a virtue hard to come by.if NC shows no patience it will be bye bye Mr N. ADKINS.

Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight

Why do you feel the need to post the same message on every thread? Have to bow to your experience in the going down department though, nobody does that better.

Good article. This 433 stuff is stupid. Play it when we have the players to do so ffs

Also add as someone mentioned before a like button under each comment. Will give a clearer reflection of opinion.

can we get kelvin davies back in goal please?

can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs.

I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw.

i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily.

maybe a new defender wont go a miss either?

ps,does anyone want to buy guly?

i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol

All of you are a sad bunch of muppets.

COYR.

Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC.

Is it just me or does this article have the feel (and poor English) of Nick Illingworth at the Ugly Inside.

Adam, I dare you to be honest, who wrote it? It doesn't feel like you, but if it is, you need a better sub-editor or proofreader.

I'm cheap!

saintshorse101 wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!

Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!

St Retford wrote:

Saintsteve7 wrote:
I wish everyone would wake up including the Echo! Nobody at this this level including Europe plays 4-4-2. What makes people think we have a devine right to be the only team who makes it work? Every time we have switched to 4-4-2 during a game we have infact looked even worse! The problem isn't the formation, the problem is individual errors and a lack of concentration.
Let's say we did go back to it, we would be dominated in midfield, and our back four would be even more exposed.Our best side and formation. imo is 4-3-3/4-5-1.
KD
NC,JF,Maya,Fox,
JP,MS,GR,SD,AL
RL.
Pick the same side week in week out, cut out the silly mistakes and the results will start to come!

Spot on. People have this reactionary fixation with 4-4-2 because it represents getting back to basics and doing away with all this silly, flamboyant continental nonsense that has crept into the game. They think 4-5-1 is tantamount to homosexuality and that there's something so inherently roast-beef-and-yorks

hire-pudding about 4-4-2 that it cannot be wrong.

Truth is, 4-4-2 has been completely discredited at this level and it would be madness for us to play it. There's nothing wrong with our formation or our attacking philosophy - we just need to get slightly better at doing it. And, for that, Nigel needs to be given more time.

He'll come good and, come Christmas, we'll all be laughing about how everyone was getting their knickers in such a twist.

Well put, I fully agree with you both.

Ontario Saint wrote:
I am very disappointed with the Echo\s constant sensationalism in the style of journalism they are using to create stories.
Rather than making having repetitive stories about Nigel Atkins and indirectly questioning whether he should be replaced is a disgrace,
I am sorry Mr Editor but you need to be supporting Nigel Atkins and getting everybody behind him for all he has contributed to the Club in getting back to back promotions.
Yes we are struggling but the Manager and players all need encouragement to move forward from here.
Lets face it we all know what the "team" is capable of and without doubt they have the ability to improve as long as they the press and the fans believe in them. Headlines such as the Echo has printed do not help anyone. Mr Editor Rally behind the Club and remember in spite of defeats against both of the Manchester Clubs the team played some brilliant football. ..Please focus on getting everyone behind the lads and Nigel and get away from all the negativity in your articles....it is poor journalism,,, Thank you Mr Editor

Agreed. Looking at the articles posted recently (not just this one), there is just too much negativity and it can't be helping matters. No assumptions should be made that Nigel is about to sacked when there is absolutely no evidence from the club that this is the case.

This makes me laugh ......

"BEFORE people indulge in too much talk over whether Nigel Adkins should get the sack "

The opening words of this artile, it is the Echo with 4 stories today all saying the same one titled "plight" that are stirring it doing too much indulging etc etc

Pathetic Adam this is what this is, n agenda against the club, you could barely celebrate promotion without spinning a negative story about no open top bus ride etc

2 years ago you, like I were, at Yeovil, Leyton Orient, Exeter, Hartlepool etc etc now we are at Mn City Arsenal, Everton etc beacuse of one man

Get behind him, get a good atmosphere going for Sunday by trying to boost and help the club.

No one is pretending that all is rosey of course we are not, but what we all hate is negativity for the chance to sell more papers etc etc get behind the team !!

Saint 2701 wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!

Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!

No abuse in "big mouth loser" then? "Help harry and the boys?" If that happens you will be supporting the Saints on your own, if in fact you are what you say you are because nothing you say is any way positive towards the Club, You don't appear to have a chip on your shoulder, the situation is completely vacant in that area.

Ray the Don wrote:
All of you are a sad bunch of muppets.

COYR.

Doom & gloom go play with your fish you skate bast*rd 10 pts will soon be coming of your tally once you skates buy out the debt a red & white toast for the great demise of PFC.

All of who?

Oh Dear Manure 1 down already. Fergie out!

My my Manure 0 2 & Barca 0 Celtic 1

The Echo are going down & down in my estimation.

Stirring up ill-feeling for days with scurrilous, ill-judged rumour mongering.

Echo - your own poll shows the overwhelming majority of those who have posted support Nige, so why don't you reflect that, get off his back & try supporting the local team like other regional rags do???

You might sell more papers then.

COYR!

Saint 2701 wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote:

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote: The poll shows only 25% think he should go, that in democratic terms says to me that 75% want him to stay. Sadly it isn't our call, whatever the Club decides I will support them, with one exception, if they bring Twitchy in I walk, there is a limit even to my support.

good riddance.

well that just about sums you up doesn`t it 2701. just abuse all the time. you have no input that is constructive, when you are proven to be wrong you just shout and call other posters names! and no i am not standing up for osprey, he is quite capable of making a fool of you himself. with comments like this i am begining to be more certain you are just a WUM. your not big your not clever and your not funny. grow up!

Where was the abuse in that comment then you big mouth loser. i felt it was childish of osprey to say such things and attitudes like that wont help the harry or the boys when he comes in.

And yeah im sure he/she will write something back, its called banter, look it up on google, it'll change your life.

Jeez, people say i got a chip on my shoulder!

YOUR A GRADE ONE ****.

TW@T

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight

Not sure which thread you are on but you lost 1 2 to Stevenage tonight, thought I would let you know in case you missed it.

Things to do :-
SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints
NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking.
NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks
On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD.
NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good.
Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory.

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger wrote:
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Against Tottenham 4 4 fcuking 2

The quoted ' If' by Rk would not exactly apply to Pasty face got a new motor 'Arry now would it,
I do want NA to stay but ot has to be said he has made some match changing substitution errors, give him until Christmas if he is still getting it
wrong the. Bring back the discusion
but leave him to get on with the job now

PTID1898 wrote:
Please someone start a campaign to keep nigel adkins at st fairies he is doing an outstanding job onwards and downwards i say there is no one better to take you down with a record amount of goals conceded,well done nigel keep going....Play up pompey another 3 points tonight

LOL. Shame you lost! ;-)

rossofficial10 wrote:
can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol

We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes.
We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement.

rossofficial10 wrote:
can we get kelvin davies back in goal please? can we also get a new manager especially if lose at home to spurs. I like adkins but dropping lambert was final straw. i want results,not 4-1 losses and letting in goals wily nily. maybe a new defender wont go a miss either? ps,does anyone want to buy guly? i let him go to bristol rovers on a free on champ manager lol

We did not lose 4-1 because lambert didn't play. The game plan was working, nil nil at half time and in control. Two poor goals conceded within two minutes of the restart. had the defence done its job in the first ten minutes of the second half after an hour we could have brought on Ricky at nil nil and had a great opportunity to win the game. Who is Kelvin Davies? The fact that you cant even get the name right speaks volumes.
We have signed an International goalkeeper that if you bother to check the records had numerous clean sheets in Italy last year. I would rather get relegated with Adkins than have Redknapp in the club. When we get Cork, Lee and Ramirez back then we will start to pick up points. If we get relegated then we just brush ourselves down and get on with life and push for a quick return to the Premiership. It was always going to be tough and the fixture list as it turned out did us no favours, and our naivety probably cost us 6 pointds against the Manchester teams. We need to get a win on Sunday against a Spurs team playing in the Europa league and then get a result away to the Baggies. A couple of clean sheets and everything will look much rosier, it's just difficult to see us achieving a clean sheet at the momement.

TEBOURBA wrote:
Things to do :- SDE to stop stirring it up it is ruining the reputation of a fine local paper which should be supporting the Saints NC to publicly support NA by backing not sacking. NC to immediately grant NA a further 2 years on his contract thus stopping the SDE, Harry Redknapp and all the speculators dead in their tracks On Sunday the fans to lift the lids off the stands with their vocal support for NA throughout the 90 minutes maybe a ticker tape welcome would also make a huge impact on MOTD. NA has the potential to be the best manager Saints have ever had, he needs some help and support in the short term, but he will come good. Spurs on Sunday is a big ask, a Saints clean sheet would be as good as a victory.

Totally agree with you Tebourba.
We are all supposed to be Saints fans on here - some comments make me think otherwise! - so let's get behind the manager and the team.

We don't know what happens behind closed doors, (some THINK they know), but the only comment I would make is that when NA speaks to the press, he chooses his words very carefully, and speaks for the 'collective good'. As much as I know he would, I get the feeling he would cannot speak from the heart.

Come on Saints, let NA do what he is best at, back him to the hilt and let him run the team.Just let NC keep to the business side, which is what he does best!!

Good piece, stick with him. Saints need stability, look at the West Brom model. Loyalty with good managers breeds success in the long term. Check out The impress Coaching Blog where this is discussed.

Adkins has my full support, without him i wouldn't be supporting a premier league team, even if we are 18th.

franiow wrote:
Adkins has not become rubbish overnight. He is a very good manager who got us two back to back promotions. The thing that has changed is that the quality of the opposition has changed. We haven't been helped with injuries, but he team has been found wanting (at least in the short term). I think Adkins tinkering this season is because he recognises that this team isn't strong enough,so he's trying anything to gain an advantage. Remember he's learning as well. We are still close to a few teams..we are not adrift. If we had held onto just one lead, the situation would look so much better. Time to stick with the manager...if we lose him, he will snapped up by another team in no time at all and could come back to haunt us. Adkins has earnt our support.

Do you think he would be "snapped up" by any other Premiership Club? Great Guy but out of his depth. It would be nice to give him a chance say until Christmas but if things continued as they currently are until then then our return to the Championship could already be sealed by then. Is that what fans want? It is not just a matter of Nigel's ability to survive the truth is that due to lack of activity in the close season the whole SQUAD is in disarray.

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!

if he is being dictated to then he needs to grow a pair of balls and change the system cause it isnt working or resign and get a new manager with big balls who will make them calls but not harry!!!

Adam Leitch makes some interesting points. Difficult to believe NA is being dictated to from above but.....after sitting through the Lowe years, you do wonder.

Bottom line is, we are not winning games and are shipping far too many goals. We might all have differing opinions on solutions but criticism is NOT akin to treason!