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THE latest leaflet from Southampton City Council “Change Gear for 2014” encourages us to cycle, which I do on a daily basis, so I would like to offer some observations about cycling in Southampton.

The cyclists ride on the road, they have the same rights as other vehicles. If, however, they ride, as recommended, on a cycle path, they have to stop at all side roads like pedestrians unless it is safe to cross.

The short cycle lanes on the road as one approaches a junction are inaccessible because the queuing vehicles wait so close to the kerb that the cyclist has to dismount, lift the bike up on to the pavement and then replace it on the road when he/she reaches the cycle lane.

Very often the larger priority space for cyclists which spans the road at traffic lights is already occupied by other vehicles (taxis and buses are regular offenders).

If Southampton wishes to encourage more of us to take to our bikes it could do worse than send a representative to Denmark or Holland to see how they regulate cycle lanes there.

At the end of 2013 I had noted down some of the hazards I had encountered on my regular cycle path journey into the city.

I’ve used the basis of a well known carol, though in most of the cases there were many more than the number listed.

  • 12 pedestrians strolling (more)
  • 11 cars reversing (more)
  • Ten joggers jogging (yes, in one group)
  • Nine babes in buggies (pushed by three nursery workers)
  • Eight neighbours nattering (more)
  • Seven teens a-texting (more)
  • Six dogs a-walking (on more long leads with owners)
  • Five youths at horseplay (caused an accident)
  • Four vans delivering (more)
  • Three earphone listeners (can’t hear bike bells)
  • Two tree trimmers shredding (only once)
  • One huge truck parking (only once)

Cyclists are not all angels, though, and one of the worst culprits on my journey was a young woman zig-zagging on and off the cycle path while trying to converse on her mobile phone.

F G Naylor, Southampton

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4:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

....and one cyclist riding on an undesignated pavement,in the dark without lights,past a red traffic light,belligerently expecting pedestrians to get out of the way,and without insurance or identification or an mot or certificate of age,health or competance to ride...and a partridge in a..pear tree!
....and one cyclist riding on an undesignated pavement,in the dark without lights,past a red traffic light,belligerently expecting pedestrians to get out of the way,and without insurance or identification or an mot or certificate of age,health or competance to ride...and a partridge in a..pear tree! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -13

4:41pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

riding through red traffic lights no lights (even paper boys/girls) the list could fill the letters page alone
riding through red traffic lights no lights (even paper boys/girls) the list could fill the letters page alone mickey01
  • Score: -11

4:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

How many deaths vs cars?

Exactly.
How many deaths vs cars? Exactly. camerajuan
  • Score: 9

9:20pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley. loosehead
  • Score: -5

9:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising downfader
  • Score: 15

9:38am Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack? loosehead
  • Score: -4

9:54am Wed 12 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot!
Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot.

I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot![/p][/quote]Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot. I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline. camerajuan
  • Score: 8

10:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now. downfader
  • Score: 4

12:28pm Wed 12 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

My observation is simple, cars go to fast . I cycle everyday and that is what I see people racing to get to the next set of lights or queue. Why cant people realise that you cannot get anywhere quickly in Southampton and the faster you go it just makes it worse because everybody ends up in the same place at the same time.
My observation is simple, cars go to fast . I cycle everyday and that is what I see people racing to get to the next set of lights or queue. Why cant people realise that you cannot get anywhere quickly in Southampton and the faster you go it just makes it worse because everybody ends up in the same place at the same time. bigfella777
  • Score: 5

3:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath?
I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling.
if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling,
I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.[/p][/quote]sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath? I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling. if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling, I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them? loosehead
  • Score: -4

4:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath?
I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling.
if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling,
I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?
I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation.

I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.[/p][/quote]sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath? I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling. if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling, I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?[/p][/quote]I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation. I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name. downfader
  • Score: 3

9:20pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath?
I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling.
if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling,
I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?
I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation.

I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.
so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you?
up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road?
I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists,
I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.[/p][/quote]sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath? I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling. if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling, I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?[/p][/quote]I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation. I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.[/p][/quote]so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you? up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road? I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists, I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority loosehead
  • Score: -3

12:18am Thu 13 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot!
Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot.

I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline.
Along with your tiny brain. Us reasonable posters on this site do not support bad drivers or bad cyclists but are able to recognise wrongs in all. You are unable to accept that sometimes it's the cyclist at fault which makes you as stupid as those who cannot accept that drivers can be at fault.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot![/p][/quote]Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot. I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline.[/p][/quote]Along with your tiny brain. Us reasonable posters on this site do not support bad drivers or bad cyclists but are able to recognise wrongs in all. You are unable to accept that sometimes it's the cyclist at fault which makes you as stupid as those who cannot accept that drivers can be at fault. Inform Al
  • Score: -4

9:57am Thu 13 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

Inform Al wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot!
Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot.

I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline.
Along with your tiny brain. Us reasonable posters on this site do not support bad drivers or bad cyclists but are able to recognise wrongs in all. You are unable to accept that sometimes it's the cyclist at fault which makes you as stupid as those who cannot accept that drivers can be at fault.
Don't even think about putting yourself in the "Reasonable Poster" category!

I accept that sometimes it is the cyclists fault. But as I've said time and time again, cyclists do not kill/injure people/animals on a greater scale than cars, and that is a fact.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: One day your halo will strangle you, you boring little narrow minded idiot![/p][/quote]Sorry if I'm not pleased about the amount of deaths/injuries (human and animals) by dangerous drivers Geoff. I guess I'm just an idiot. I feel that being branded a menace when my mode of transport kills/injures extremely few per year (animals/humans) gives me every right to this halo, these calves and this tiny waistline.[/p][/quote]Along with your tiny brain. Us reasonable posters on this site do not support bad drivers or bad cyclists but are able to recognise wrongs in all. You are unable to accept that sometimes it's the cyclist at fault which makes you as stupid as those who cannot accept that drivers can be at fault.[/p][/quote]Don't even think about putting yourself in the "Reasonable Poster" category! I accept that sometimes it is the cyclists fault. But as I've said time and time again, cyclists do not kill/injure people/animals on a greater scale than cars, and that is a fact. camerajuan
  • Score: 6

10:12am Thu 13 Feb 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath?
I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling.
if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling,
I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?
I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation.

I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.
so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you?
up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road?
I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists,
I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority
Dear god and you wonder why you get into arguments with people on here...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.[/p][/quote]sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath? I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling. if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling, I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?[/p][/quote]I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation. I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.[/p][/quote]so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you? up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road? I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists, I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority[/p][/quote]Dear god and you wonder why you get into arguments with people on here... downfader
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on.
I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black.
these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.
I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)...

He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name.

If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising
read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists.
I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley.
I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?
And reread MY post.

Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made.

As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.
sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath?
I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling.
if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling,
I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?
I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation.

I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.
so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you?
up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road?
I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists,
I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority
Dear god and you wonder why you get into arguments with people on here...
I'm not trying to argue with you I'm trying to say to you I have nothing against legitimate cyclists so why this post?
I've been on the article this morning about Wiggle defending Cyclists so why do you think I'm trying to start an argument with you?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm pro cycling but last Friday I was driving down towards B&Q nursling to go to town & it was still half light & we still had to have our lights on. I couldn't believe it when I came close to hitting a cyclist who had no lights no high viz jacket & was wearing black. these type of idiots give all cyclists a bad name as do those who ride on the pavements in Shirley.[/p][/quote]I'm pro drivng but last week as I traveled through roadworks a BMW driver got right up my backside banging his tiny little horn and shouting abuse (actually true)... He was driving around in a dark coloured car, when there was space to get past me he shot off at about 50mph still shouting obscenities - these idiots give all drivers a bad name. If the one bad rider you saw makes us all bad (transport "racism" mentality) then so does that driver. Or you could accept it was an idiot instead of generalising[/p][/quote]read my post again please! I said idiots like that give all cyclists a bad name I was not generalising about cyclists. I look at Shirley High Street going down from Anglsea Rd & have often thought if they restore the road to it's original width they could easily put in a cycle lane down to the Atherley. I've also looked at the old footpath from Millbrook Train Station to town & thought here could be a good cycle way from either dock gate 20 or the train station taking cyclists off of a very dangerous bit of road so I'm really Pro cyclists so why the attack?[/p][/quote]And reread MY post. Why should all cyclists take the blame of the few? I dont think you understand why its such a sweeping statement you made. As for Shirley Road - they cant. The land is privately owned along much of the length now.[/p][/quote]sorry the land where shops put out signs & chairs & tables was the old Pavement you can actually see where the pavement was widened how does anyone but the council own the footpath? I think cycling is a great fit way to get around & I use to ride a cycle to work every day & I worked night shift so I'm in no way anti cycling. if I was riding up a road & traffic was building up to much behind me I'd pull over let the traffic through then continue my journey I call that sensible cycling, I don't call some one riding in the dark with no lights or high viz vest on sensible or cyclists riding along the pavement scattering pedestrians out of the way or hitting them & then just hurtling across junctions even when cars are crossing them sensible or safe & these type of idiots give a bad name to all cyclists or can't you see that? are you one of them?[/p][/quote]I'll say it again - if you obey the rules you are NOT to blame for the actions of others. Their actions have no effect on your own reputation. I do not understand why you'd assume that it does. Lets look at it another way - you use to work nights. Burglars also work nights. Ergo by your own logic burglars give all night shift workers a bad name.[/p][/quote]so your saying in any walk of life people can't be blamed because of the actions of the few are you? up to that point we'd agree but read the letter where it says cyclists ride on the road? I was trying to point out not all do & not all are responsible cyclists, I argued to keep the Wiggle event but I can't paint all cyclists as little angels as in all walks of life no matter if it's right or wrong the minority ruin it for the majority[/p][/quote]Dear god and you wonder why you get into arguments with people on here...[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to argue with you I'm trying to say to you I have nothing against legitimate cyclists so why this post? I've been on the article this morning about Wiggle defending Cyclists so why do you think I'm trying to start an argument with you? loosehead
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