Find the facts on rules of the roads for cyclists

Find the facts on rules of the roads for cyclists

Find the facts on rules of the roads for cyclists

First published in Readers' Letters

THE recent letter “Seeing the darker side of cycling” is yet again another example of people getting angry or frustrated without ascertaining a little wider knowledge.

“. . . it would have been his fault, yet as I understand it, the law says it was my fault as I am a motorist..”

This is untrue. Under the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations cyclists are legally obliged to have lighting after dark.

This would have been noted by the police if a collision had occurred. No fault to the motorist.

Even if the cyclist had been lit up like a Christmas tree there is little chance of conviction of a motorist – hence why CTC and British Cycling are campaigning for a major change in the justice system. Even then – this still would not impact on the letter writer.

Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though.

Lastly: “A motorist may have had a fine and points, etc. What penalty do cyclists get? Nothing, I assume.”

Sadly assumptions are not as good as facts, though the latter are relatively easy to find. Broadly speaking fines for motorists have remained the same (may be down to police resources).

Hampshire Police put up disclosure documents on their websites and this is how I discovered the above.

Cyclists are mentioned,too. “Nothing?” No.

In the six-and-a-half years up to 2012 3,770 were fined for various offences. This is across the whole of Hampshire.

That’s around 580 a year out of what the authorities know are around 40,000 cyclists in the county.

In broad terms it works out that around one per cent of all riders have been caught doing something illegal, and dealt with accordingly by the police.

D J COOK, Sholing, Southampton.

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12:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ssnaked23 says...

Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us all and the writer of the letter. I trust they take note. All to often assumptions are made of situations and turn out to be incorrect. As has been said many a time there are good and drivers as well as good and bad cyclists though quite often what I see on comments is the unbalanced arguments given by a minority of drivers slating cyclists and not acknowledging poor driving.
Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us all and the writer of the letter. I trust they take note. All to often assumptions are made of situations and turn out to be incorrect. As has been said many a time there are good and drivers as well as good and bad cyclists though quite often what I see on comments is the unbalanced arguments given by a minority of drivers slating cyclists and not acknowledging poor driving. ssnaked23
  • Score: 6

12:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ssnaked23 says...

Ooops! Meant to have written "good and bad drivers" was omitted during my editing
Ooops! Meant to have written "good and bad drivers" was omitted during my editing ssnaked23
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author!
One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author! camerajuan
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Thu 28 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen. IronLady2010
  • Score: 8

5:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

downfader says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly. downfader
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Thu 28 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

camerajuan wrote:
One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author!
Yawn!
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author![/p][/quote]Yawn! geoff51
  • Score: -6

8:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual. geoff51
  • Score: -7

8:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then?

I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.[/p][/quote]Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then? I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL! downfader
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Thu 28 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then?

I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL!
Actually i comment on other subjects if I feel there is a point to making a comment, unlike you and your mates who are one trick ponies
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.[/p][/quote]Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then? I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL![/p][/quote]Actually i comment on other subjects if I feel there is a point to making a comment, unlike you and your mates who are one trick ponies geoff51
  • Score: -6

10:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Stubs says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then?

I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL!
Your just a lot of saddle sniffers. Go and get a life you sad acts.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.[/p][/quote]Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then? I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL![/p][/quote]Your just a lot of saddle sniffers. Go and get a life you sad acts. Stubs
  • Score: -6

11:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then?

I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL!
Actually i comment on other subjects if I feel there is a point to making a comment, unlike you and your mates who are one trick ponies
So although you have no point to make, because you have proven time and time again that you know nothing about the subject of cycling. You continue to comment, making no point.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.[/p][/quote]Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then? I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL![/p][/quote]Actually i comment on other subjects if I feel there is a point to making a comment, unlike you and your mates who are one trick ponies[/p][/quote]So although you have no point to make, because you have proven time and time again that you know nothing about the subject of cycling. You continue to comment, making no point. Drhysted
  • Score: 5

11:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

downfader says...

Stubs wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring.

You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles.

In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.
I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve.

I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.
Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say.
You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.
Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then?

I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL!
Your just a lot of saddle sniffers. Go and get a life you sad acts.
He who shouts loudest...

...and the irony of someone suggest "get a life" when they're commenting on an internet forum LMAO!!
[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I must admit this Cyclist V Motorist argument is getting very boring. You are never going to control certain cyclists or even motorists, you will always have those tracksuit types who don't respect the rules of the road, that goes for both Cyclists and Motor Vehicles. In a perfect world we'd all have respect for each other, but that will never happen.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with the "fighting" too, but myself as a local rider and knowing often how to get the right info or who from means I have to challenge such letters. I wrote the above letter not to argue but to resolve. I agree - there will never be perfection - and where there are problems good engineering can alleviate greatly.[/p][/quote]Arrogance you think you have all the answers and the final say. You really need to think about the major things happening in the world today, but no you must wax lyrical about cycles as usual.[/p][/quote]Why is it you only comment on cycle stories and letters then? I reckon you love bikes and lycra, LOL![/p][/quote]Your just a lot of saddle sniffers. Go and get a life you sad acts.[/p][/quote]He who shouts loudest... ...and the irony of someone suggest "get a life" when they're commenting on an internet forum LMAO!! downfader
  • Score: 3

1:43am Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Jeez, you'd think that if I knew all this when I was but a young lad that all the so called "adults" would also know but clearly not all of them do, rather sad really.
Jeez, you'd think that if I knew all this when I was but a young lad that all the so called "adults" would also know but clearly not all of them do, rather sad really. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author!
Yawn!
Yet again, another valid and relevant statement by the king of the pointless rage.

You should have a nap if you're so tired old man, these light nights won't last too much longer.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: One of the finer letters written on this subject. Credit to the author![/p][/quote]Yawn![/p][/quote]Yet again, another valid and relevant statement by the king of the pointless rage. You should have a nap if you're so tired old man, these light nights won't last too much longer. camerajuan
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Fri 29 Aug 14

southy says...

Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though.

Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them.

This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you.

Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt
Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though. Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them. This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you. Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt southy
  • Score: -3

1:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though.

Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them.

This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you.

Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt
Actually, it's NOT an offence for cyclists to undertake slow moving or stationary traffic, if it was, they wouldn't paint cycle lanes and filter lanes along the left curb.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though. Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them. This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you. Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt[/p][/quote]Actually, it's NOT an offence for cyclists to undertake slow moving or stationary traffic, if it was, they wouldn't paint cycle lanes and filter lanes along the left curb. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

downfader says...

southy wrote:
Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though.

Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them.

This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you.

Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt
We're talking the specific offence of using a hand held phone whilst in operation of a vehicle. So yes, technically true - unless you can provide the relevant documentation on the government legislation website?

That also applies to the latter. Undertaking is not an offence. Sometimes the only gap in a traffic jam is on the left, or using a cycle lane.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Cyclists using mobile phones? Technically not illegal. I wouldn’t encourage it though. Technically not true, old law thats never been altered or change, requires a person in charge of a Vehicle to be aware of his surroundings and what is going on around them. This law will cover the use of mobile phones and/or personal sound players even hands free sets, covering up just 1 ear reduces your awareness of what is going on around you. Its also an offence for a cyclist to undertake even when the traffic is slow moving or come to a halt[/p][/quote]We're talking the specific offence of using a hand held phone whilst in operation of a vehicle. So yes, technically true - unless you can provide the relevant documentation on the government legislation website? That also applies to the latter. Undertaking is not an offence. Sometimes the only gap in a traffic jam is on the left, or using a cycle lane. downfader
  • Score: 2
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