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CommentPosted by: Gozza, On the ice on 9:21am Mon 28 Jan 08
Will there be an ice rink?
Will there be an ice rink?
Posted by: Family Man, Bitterne on 9:30am Mon 28 Jan 08
What, no mention of the word "Wow!" when it might just possibly be slightly justified....
Or no plans to finance it with "luxury apartments"....??? ([bold]Now that really would be a "Wow!!"[/bold] )
Bet they manage to slip them in somewhere....
What, no mention of the word "Wow!" when it might just possibly be slightly justified....
Or no plans to finance it with "luxury apartments"....??? (
Now that really would be a "Wow!!" )
Bet they manage to slip them in somewhere....
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 9:34am Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Gozza[/bold] wrote:
Will there be an ice rink?[/quote] Good question.
But I doubt it..
Gozza wrote:
Will there be an ice rink?
Good question.
But I doubt it..
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 9:46am Mon 28 Jan 08
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but [bold]words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying.[/bold] Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT.
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but
words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying. Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT.
Posted by: Issac Watts, Watts Park, Soton on 10:00am Mon 28 Jan 08
[italic]"proposed"[/italic] . That says it all. I'll believe it when I see it.
"proposed" . That says it all. I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: local on 10:01am Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but [bold]words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying.[/bold] Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT. [/quote] It is a bit worrying, if what is written in the news is true.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying. Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT.
It is a bit worrying, if what is written in the news is true.
Posted by: gorf, soton on 10:02am Mon 28 Jan 08
southampton city council couldnt organise a p*ss up in a brewery!
they are all good for nothing!
southampton city council couldnt organise a p*ss up in a brewery!
they are all good for nothing!
Posted by: Rory, Shirley on 10:08am Mon 28 Jan 08
What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Posted by: whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End on 10:39am Mon 28 Jan 08
it will never happen...or take 7-10 years as usual
it will never happen...or take 7-10 years as usual
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 10:56am Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote:
What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
Rory wrote:
What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
Posted by: hmm on 10:58am Mon 28 Jan 08
We have more chance of getting an Ice Rink than this even happening
We have more chance of getting an Ice Rink than this even happening
Posted by: ChanFo MoFo, Chandlers Ford on 11:17am Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote]Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open [it] in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.[/quote]
Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.
Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.
Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 12:00pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but [bold]words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying.[/bold] Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT. [/quote] Agreed. The phrase "reclaimed parkland" needs investigating.
"Councillor John Hannides, Cabinet member for leisure and culture, stressed the concept was only in its early stages but demonstrated the council's lofty ambitions."
Lofty ambitions indeed.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Difficult to say without carefully examining the plans in detail but words “The three-storey extension - built across reclaimed park land – “ are very worrying. Those who care about our city better need to be on FULL ALERT.
Agreed. The phrase "reclaimed parkland" needs investigating.
"Councillor John Hannides, Cabinet member for leisure and culture, stressed the concept was only in its early stages but demonstrated the council's lofty ambitions."
Lofty ambitions indeed.
Posted by: bingolover, Up a Tree on 12:16pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I've just had a look at the pictures and I don't understand why the building has to be so ugly! I wondered how long it was going to take the council to start building over our city's parks.... I would also like to know how much of our money has gone into planning this monstrosity.
I've just had a look at the pictures and I don't understand why the building has to be so ugly! I wondered how long it was going to take the council to start building over our city's parks.... I would also like to know how much of our money has gone into planning this monstrosity.
Posted by: Never Forget on 12:20pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ChanFo MoFo[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open [it] in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.[/quote] Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.[/quote] Over 500 people from Southampton died when the Titanic sunk.
Can you imagine the impact of a similar disaster to the city (any city) today?
That's why the Titanic is important to Southampton. Not because of the boat itself, but the hundreds of local people (and the total of 1,500) who lost their lives.
ChanFo MoFo wrote:
Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.
Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.
Over 500 people from Southampton died when the Titanic sunk.
Can you imagine the impact of a similar disaster to the city (any city) today?
That's why the Titanic is important to Southampton. Not because of the boat itself, but the hundreds of local people (and the total of 1,500) who lost their lives.
Posted by: Never forget on 12:24pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ChanFo MoFo[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open [it] in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.[/quote] Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.[/quote] I guess you are too ignorant to know that over 500 people from Southampton died on the Titanic?
Can you imagine the impact on the city (any city) if a similar number of deaths occurred today?
It's not the ship that will be remembered, it's the loss of life.
ChanFo MoFo wrote:
Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.
Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.
I guess you are too ignorant to know that over 500 people from Southampton died on the Titanic?
Can you imagine the impact on the city (any city) if a similar number of deaths occurred today?
It's not the ship that will be remembered, it's the loss of life.
Posted by: billc on 12:35pm Mon 28 Jan 08
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit hutches, sorry, [italic]luxury apartments[/italic] in its place?
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit hutches, sorry,
luxury apartments in its place?
Posted by: Evidence? on 1:03pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]billc[/bold] wrote:
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit hutches, sorry, [italic]luxury apartments[/italic] in its place?[/quote] Could you give us some examples of historic buildings that have been pulled down in recent years?
Do you mean the gorgeous Pirelli site? Or the beautiful Canute Pavillion at Ocean Village? Or the empty car-park and druggie den at Charlotte Place?
Nothing of any real significance has been pulled down in recent years. All the new build has been on derelict land.
billc wrote:
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit hutches, sorry, luxury apartments in its place?
Could you give us some examples of historic buildings that have been pulled down in recent years?
Do you mean the gorgeous Pirelli site? Or the beautiful Canute Pavillion at Ocean Village? Or the empty car-park and druggie den at Charlotte Place?
Nothing of any real significance has been pulled down in recent years. All the new build has been on derelict land.
Posted by: TS, southampton on 1:10pm Mon 28 Jan 08
If that ever happens, then it is looking quite nice and definitely something interesting for the city.
but when will that happen... the arts quarter has still to start...
If that ever happens, then it is looking quite nice and definitely something interesting for the city.
but when will that happen... the arts quarter has still to start...
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 1:22pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Never Forget[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ChanFo MoFo[/bold] wrote: [quote]Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open [it] in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.[/quote] Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.[/quote] Over 500 people from Southampton died when the Titanic sunk. Can you imagine the impact of a similar disaster to the city (any city) today? That's why the Titanic is important to Southampton. Not because of the boat itself, but the hundreds of local people (and the total of 1,500) who lost their lives.[/quote] The remarkable thing is if you plot the deaths against a map - most of those 500 died within just 2 square miles, with almost every family in streets losing their wage earner. That was an extremely high level of deaths - probably far higher than the World Trade Centre where those killed came from a very wide commute.
Never Forget wrote:
ChanFo MoFo wrote: Council leisure chiefs are keen ... to open in 2012 in time to host an exhibition commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster.
Bless, the only thing Southampton has to be 'proud' of is a ship that sunk 90-odd years ago.
Over 500 people from Southampton died when the Titanic sunk. Can you imagine the impact of a similar disaster to the city (any city) today? That's why the Titanic is important to Southampton. Not because of the boat itself, but the hundreds of local people (and the total of 1,500) who lost their lives.
The remarkable thing is if you plot the deaths against a map - most of those 500 died within just 2 square miles, with almost every family in streets losing their wage earner. That was an extremely high level of deaths - probably far higher than the World Trade Centre where those killed came from a very wide commute.
Posted by: pete, southampton on 2:01pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK [/quote] after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Rory wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
Posted by: Family Man, Bitterne on 2:10pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Family Man[/bold] wrote:
What, no mention of the word "Wow!" when it might just possibly be slightly justified.... Or no plans to finance it with "luxury apartments"....??? ([bold]Now that really would be a "Wow!!"[/bold] ) Bet they manage to slip them in somewhere....[/quote] Definitely no "Wow!.... I forgot, this whole thing is part and parcel of the Tyrell project with almost 300 "luxury apartments" in two 15 story tower blocks.. Why am I not surprised?
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Family Man wrote:
What, no mention of the word "Wow!" when it might just possibly be slightly justified.... Or no plans to finance it with "luxury apartments"....??? (Now that really would be a "Wow!!" ) Bet they manage to slip them in somewhere....
Definitely no "Wow!.... I forgot, this whole thing is part and parcel of the Tyrell project with almost 300 "luxury apartments" in two 15 story tower blocks.. Why am I not surprised?
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Posted by: Evidence? on 2:29pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Look at any largish city in the country and they are all building blocks of flats. Southampton is no different. The amount being built in Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham dwarf what we see down here.
Look at any largish city in the country and they are all building blocks of flats. Southampton is no different. The amount being built in Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham dwarf what we see down here.
Posted by: Steve on 2:53pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 2:56pm Mon 28 Jan 08
As a child I remember admiring the Guildhall as a magnificent, gleaming white building, that was a credit to the town, as it was then.
With decades of neglect, the white is now grey, and the green streaks from the lightening conductors does nothing to enhance the building's appearance.
With recent talk of the city having something 'spectacular' to rival the spinnaker tower at Portsmouth, with proposals for laser lights and statues considered, perhaps the answer could be to give this monument to modern architecture, a much needed clean-up.
As a child I remember admiring the Guildhall as a magnificent, gleaming white building, that was a credit to the town, as it was then.
With decades of neglect, the white is now grey, and the green streaks from the lightening conductors does nothing to enhance the building's appearance.
With recent talk of the city having something 'spectacular' to rival the spinnaker tower at Portsmouth, with proposals for laser lights and statues considered, perhaps the answer could be to give this monument to modern architecture, a much needed clean-up.
Posted by: eddie32, U.S. on 3:14pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Ice skating rink bring young together, gangs, trouble, I know seen it, In it`s beginng. Years before the are removed.
But good for compitions for schools, since hockey is also big in Europe, in the winter time. Is the City ready for this?
Ice skating rink bring young together, gangs, trouble, I know seen it, In it`s beginng. Years before the are removed.
But good for compitions for schools, since hockey is also big in Europe, in the winter time. Is the City ready for this?
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 3:30pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK [/quote] after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing [/quote] Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city.
I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own.
FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council.
YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics.
pete wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Rory wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city.
I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own.
FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council.
YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics.
Posted by: Captain Swing, Southampton on 3:43pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK [/quote] after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing [/quote] The ice rink was owned by a private company (The Knott family and associates - if I remember correctly?), and purchased by a private company (Top Rank) which decided it was worth more as housing land than a place of entertainment. Pure capitalism: no political philosphy was involved.
This sort of crass, generalised, misinformation is typical of what people have to contend with when trying to have an intelligent debate anything about the City.
I'll make my mind up about it when I've seen the plans.
pete wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Rory wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
The ice rink was owned by a private company (The Knott family and associates - if I remember correctly?), and purchased by a private company (Top Rank) which decided it was worth more as housing land than a place of entertainment. Pure capitalism: no political philosphy was involved.
This sort of crass, generalised, misinformation is typical of what people have to contend with when trying to have an intelligent debate anything about the City.
I'll make my mind up about it when I've seen the plans.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 3:46pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Despite the negativity whenever the Titanic link is mentioned, I strongly believe that it is an important part of our local history.
A couple of posters quite righty mention how many of the crew were local people and the area mentioned was Chapel - a very run down part of the city at that time but these slums were cleared a few decades ago.
Every other home suffered a loss of family, friends, neighbours so must have been a devastating time.
Some good came out of the tragedy as far as safety and much more. It also heralded a change in the 'class' system and within a couple of years the country was engaged in WW1 so quite a significant time in UK history.
Perhaps the numbskulls who deride the Soton/Titanic story might make an effort to read about it - and (hopefully) be enlightened
Despite the negativity whenever the Titanic link is mentioned, I strongly believe that it is an important part of our local history.
A couple of posters quite righty mention how many of the crew were local people and the area mentioned was Chapel - a very run down part of the city at that time but these slums were cleared a few decades ago.
Every other home suffered a loss of family, friends, neighbours so must have been a devastating time.
Some good came out of the tragedy as far as safety and much more. It also heralded a change in the 'class' system and within a couple of years the country was engaged in WW1 so quite a significant time in UK history.
Perhaps the numbskulls who deride the Soton/Titanic story might make an effort to read about it - and (hopefully) be enlightened
Posted by: aram, andys house on 3:48pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK [/quote] after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing [/quote] Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city. I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own. FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council. YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics. [/quote] Would that be the lamentable mr whitehead who failed to live up to his promise of an ice rink
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
pete wrote: Paramjit Bahia wrote: Rory wrote: What's the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I'm woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city. I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own. FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council. YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics.
Would that be the lamentable mr whitehead who failed to live up to his promise of an ice rink
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 3:50pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Captain Swing (Swinger?) mentions the old ice rink and it was the Top Rank one opposite the area that was Charlie Knott's speedway and dog track stadium.
This gave way to the Top Rank suite and this faced the old Top Rank bowling alley, opened in the early 60s. Everything now long gone...............
Captain Swing (Swinger?) mentions the old ice rink and it was the Top Rank one opposite the area that was Charlie Knott's speedway and dog track stadium.
This gave way to the Top Rank suite and this faced the old Top Rank bowling alley, opened in the early 60s. Everything now long gone...............
Posted by: Robert on 4:12pm Mon 28 Jan 08
WE SHOULD BE [bold]EXTENDING[/bold] THE PARKLAND IN SOUTHAMPTON, NOT CONVERTING IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER.
Whoever devised the term "reclaimed park land" deserves a sound thrashing.
WE SHOULD BE
EXTENDING THE PARKLAND IN SOUTHAMPTON, NOT CONVERTING IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER.
Whoever devised the term "reclaimed park land" deserves a sound thrashing.
Posted by: Family Man, Bitterne on 4:26pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.[/quote] I have absolutely no problem with building communities. However I do not see much in the way of "community" in apartments. My point is that Southampton has seen almost no houses built for some years, and every development seems to consist of flats, often slotted into the smallest spaces without gardens or even
sufficient parking spaces. Quite simply I do not see flats as suitable for families and as such we seem to be creating a very one-sided and unbalanced "community". I see little or no merit in such monocultures. To quote the Communities website www.communities.gov.
uk "Communities and Local Government is working to create thriving, vibrant, sustainable communities which will improve everyone's quality of life.." I don't see this happening in Southampton!!
Steve wrote:
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.
I have absolutely no problem with building communities. However I do not see much in the way of "community" in apartments. My point is that Southampton has seen almost no houses built for some years, and every development seems to consist of flats, often slotted into the smallest spaces without gardens or even
sufficient parking spaces. Quite simply I do not see flats as suitable for families and as such we seem to be creating a very one-sided and unbalanced "community". I see little or no merit in such monocultures. To quote the Communities website www.communities.gov.
uk "Communities and Local Government is working to create thriving, vibrant, sustainable communities which will improve everyone's quality of life.." I don't see this happening in Southampton!!
Posted by: J, S'ton on 5:38pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote:
What\'s the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I\'m woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] I love it how the discussion here turns to the ice rink when ever a new development plan is unveiled, which I think is important to demonstrate that there is a dire need for it.
As for the above post I would like to hear what venues (that are not night clubs and/or cinemas)there are to keep us entertained and encourage us to be more active in the social sphere. If you hate ice skating then that is fine, but I'm sure that there would be huge demand for a rink. Though the last rink was owned by a private company it is still up to the council to grant planning/building premissions for a rink to be built.
Rory wrote:
What\'s the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I\'m woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
I love it how the discussion here turns to the ice rink when ever a new development plan is unveiled, which I think is important to demonstrate that there is a dire need for it.
As for the above post I would like to hear what venues (that are not night clubs and/or cinemas)there are to keep us entertained and encourage us to be more active in the social sphere. If you hate ice skating then that is fine, but I'm sure that there would be huge demand for a rink. Though the last rink was owned by a private company it is still up to the council to grant planning/building premissions for a rink to be built.
Posted by: Dan the Man, Shirley on 5:38pm Mon 28 Jan 08
2012? May seem like a long way off to me but I would bet anyone 10p that the plans get scrapped. The council may just decide they couldn't care less for tourism in the city just as they have done for the past 20 odd years.
2012? May seem like a long way off to me but I would bet anyone 10p that the plans get scrapped. The council may just decide they couldn't care less for tourism in the city just as they have done for the past 20 odd years.
Posted by: Steve, Southampton on 6:02pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Family Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.[/quote] I have absolutely no problem with building communities. However I do not see much in the way of \"community\" in apartments. My point is that Southampton has seen almost no houses built for some years, and every development seems to consist of flats, often slotted into the smallest spaces without gardens or even
sufficient parking spaces. Quite simply I do not see flats as suitable for families and as such we seem to be creating a very one-sided and unbalanced \"community\". I see little or no merit in such monocultures. To quote the Communities website www.communities.gov.
uk \"Communities and Local Government is working to create thriving, vibrant, sustainable communities which will improve everyone\'s quality of life..\" I don\'t see this happening in Southampton!! [/quote] The notion that flats are producing a monoculture is surely strange. We have far more houses than apartments/flats in Soton so any increase in the later is surely reducing the monoculture.
As for you assertion that flats/apartments are not suitable for families this is surely your market choice. There are many people who do not want to live in the urban sprawl of the classic two up and two down with a garden If you want to live in one of those then that is all well and good but please remember other people do not share you opinion and that is why some of us have a much greater preference for markets over planning.
Your reference to the communities website is also interesting and really doesn't provide and more information. You don't like flat/apartments and that is that. Now let others decide where they want to live and help build communities.
Family Man wrote:
Steve wrote:
Family man...you seem to have problems with building communities. Please explain.
I have absolutely no problem with building communities. However I do not see much in the way of \"community\" in apartments. My point is that Southampton has seen almost no houses built for some years, and every development seems to consist of flats, often slotted into the smallest spaces without gardens or even
sufficient parking spaces. Quite simply I do not see flats as suitable for families and as such we seem to be creating a very one-sided and unbalanced \"community\". I see little or no merit in such monocultures. To quote the Communities website www.communities.gov.
uk \"Communities and Local Government is working to create thriving, vibrant, sustainable communities which will improve everyone\'s quality of life..\" I don\'t see this happening in Southampton!!
The notion that flats are producing a monoculture is surely strange. We have far more houses than apartments/flats in Soton so any increase in the later is surely reducing the monoculture.
As for you assertion that flats/apartments are not suitable for families this is surely your market choice. There are many people who do not want to live in the urban sprawl of the classic two up and two down with a garden If you want to live in one of those then that is all well and good but please remember other people do not share you opinion and that is why some of us have a much greater preference for markets over planning.
Your reference to the communities website is also interesting and really doesn't provide and more information. You don't like flat/apartments and that is that. Now let others decide where they want to live and help build communities.
Posted by: Mark H., Southampton on 6:04pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Any building on our parks would nedd an Act of Parliament and I can't see any councillor wanting to put his/her seat up against the furore of trying to build on the parks. At least it is not another block of flats but, let us look at the fine detail before dismissing the whole project.
Any building on our parks would nedd an Act of Parliament and I can't see any councillor wanting to put his/her seat up against the furore of trying to build on the parks. At least it is not another block of flats but, let us look at the fine detail before dismissing the whole project.
Posted by: An angry soton resident on 7:07pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Another waste of money and time. How much do these visitior have to pay for parking to visit this supossed brilliant building.
Another waste of money and time. How much do these visitior have to pay for parking to visit this supossed brilliant building.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 7:15pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time.
The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time.
The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......
Posted by: Ciaran on 8:37pm Mon 28 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Mark H.[/bold] wrote:
Any building on our parks would nedd an Act of Parliament and I can't see any councillor wanting to put his/her seat up against the furore of trying to build on the parks. At least it is not another block of flats but, let us look at the fine detail before dismissing the whole project.[/quote] But these plans are to build on what is actually part of the land of the Civic that is green space - not the actual parks themselves, looking at the pictures/maps.
Mark H. wrote:
Any building on our parks would nedd an Act of Parliament and I can't see any councillor wanting to put his/her seat up against the furore of trying to build on the parks. At least it is not another block of flats but, let us look at the fine detail before dismissing the whole project.
But these plans are to build on what is actually part of the land of the Civic that is green space - not the actual parks themselves, looking at the pictures/maps.
Posted by: sk8r dude, totton on 8:51pm Mon 28 Jan 08
stop going on about an ice rink.
an olimpick one was propose for totton about 5 years ago and council from southampton ordered totton council not to build it becase they had theere own plans and didnt want them spoiled.
stop going on about an ice rink.
an olimpick one was propose for totton about 5 years ago and council from southampton ordered totton council not to build it becase they had theere own plans and didnt want them spoiled.
Posted by: MR S, Soton on 9:55pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I think this ia a wonderful idea. we need more museums in this city and something to show our heritage and i think this could be it. Southampton has some very unique history and frankly it isnt shown. the proposal looks good and i hope to see it in 2012 along with other developments.
I think this ia a wonderful idea. we need more museums in this city and something to show our heritage and i think this could be it. Southampton has some very unique history and frankly it isnt shown. the proposal looks good and i hope to see it in 2012 along with other developments.
Posted by: Kim, Southampton on Tue 29 Jan 08
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.
Posted by: Robert on 12:22am Tue 29 Jan 08
Yes Mushy - the clock tower looks like a phallic symbol and the Itchen Bridge looks like a fallopian tube.
What are you smoking?
Yes Mushy - the clock tower looks like a phallic symbol and the Itchen Bridge looks like a fallopian tube.
What are you smoking?
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 2:31am Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]aram[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Rory[/bold] wrote: What\'s the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I\'m woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece. [/quote] Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK [/quote] after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing [/quote] Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city. I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own. FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council. YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics. [/quote] Would that be the lamentable mr whitehead who failed to live up to his promise of an ice rink [/quote] [bold]He wasn’t the only one to the best of my knowledge at that time all three political parties tried to jump on the populist band wagon of hysteria created by the press.[/bold]
I have no knowledge of what went on in private meetings of other groups, but within the Labour Group [bold]my view was to encourage the campaign against Top Rank and expose the ugly side of PARTS of private enterprise, and shame them into reconsidering closure.[/bold] Only one councillor late Brian Roost supported me. Both of us argued basically on [bold]similar reasons mentioned by Captain Swing.[/bold] I remember jokingly saying ‘there is real danger we could end up skating politically on this for a long time’ and Brian saying ‘and keep on falling upon … ….’ or something like that.
[bold]Now could we PLEASE stick to the subject of this glass house on green space next to important piece of architecture, our Civic Centre.[/bold]
Most of the contributions so far are much mature, which is nice change on this site.
Thanks everybody.
aram wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: pete wrote: Paramjit Bahia wrote: Rory wrote: What\'s the big deal over an ice rink? I hate ice skating (partly because I\'m woeful at it) and there is more than enough to be entertained in Southampton. This is something that will highlight the rich heritage this city has and, if the plans do go ahead, it will be refreshing to see the city possessing a unique centrepiece.
Most of us would like our heritage displayed, but where and how needs to be considered carefully. Because our green spaces are also important part of our heritage those shouldn’t be sacrificed for displaying the other bits. I am suspicious if they are using heritage excuse to land grab and get planning through and few years down the line they may have something different in mind. After all this Council has already limited the access to some places of historical interest and are proposing cut in the funding of existing Maritime Museum (Echo 27 Jan page 2). THINK JUST THINK
after 20years of lefties doing nothing except selling our ice rink for housing
Pete we are discussing a proposal that could have serious impact on our city. I accept Ice Rink is also important but it is a different subject that deserves to be discussed seriously on its own. FACT is that ice rink was private enterprise operator also owned the land; they made the decisions to stop operating and sell the land, not the Council. YES many local politicians made promises to skating community to build a new Ice Rink but have not delivered till today. That part is certainly bad politics.
Would that be the lamentable mr whitehead who failed to live up to his promise of an ice rink
He wasn’t the only one to the best of my knowledge at that time all three political parties tried to jump on the populist band wagon of hysteria created by the press.
I have no knowledge of what went on in private meetings of other groups, but within the Labour Group
my view was to encourage the campaign against Top Rank and expose the ugly side of PARTS of private enterprise, and shame them into reconsidering closure. Only one councillor late Brian Roost supported me. Both of us argued basically on
similar reasons mentioned by Captain Swing. I remember jokingly saying ‘there is real danger we could end up skating politically on this for a long time’ and Brian saying ‘and keep on falling upon … ….’ or something like that.
Now could we PLEASE stick to the subject of this glass house on green space next to important piece of architecture, our Civic Centre.
Most of the contributions so far are much mature, which is nice change on this site.
Thanks everybody.
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 2:38am Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]King Mush[/bold] wrote:
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time. The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......[/quote] Hey that is brilliant thinking…
If that is the case could it be that it is establishment saying something to the citizens of Southampton in some symbolic language?
King Mush wrote:
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time. The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......
Hey that is brilliant thinking…
If that is the case could it be that it is establishment saying something to the citizens of Southampton in some symbolic language?
Posted by: Issac Watts, Watts Park, Soton on 8:04am Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]King Mush[/bold] wrote:
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time. The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......[/quote] Hey that is brilliant thinking…
If that is the case could it be that it is establishment saying something to the citizens of Southampton in some symbolic language?
[/quote] Well? Whats new? We're used to the establishment talking symbolics.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
King Mush wrote:
I've always admired the Civic Centre and was quite visionary for its time. The clock tower is quite a phallic symbol too.......
Hey that is brilliant thinking…
If that is the case could it be that it is establishment saying something to the citizens of Southampton in some symbolic language?
Well? Whats new? We're used to the establishment talking symbolics.
Posted by: Gozza, On the ice on 9:16am Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote]I love it how the discussion here turns to the ice rink when ever a new development plan is unveiled, which I think is important to demonstrate that there is a dire need for it.[/quote]
Ummm, no...I was being sarcastic when I made the original ice rink comment on this thread.
I'm not opposed to an ice rink, art gallery, museums or anything like that. But if there's only so much money to go round, it should be spent on Southampton's:
1) Pathetic road system
2) Feeble public transport
3) Underfunded schools
...and in putting a few more Police on the streets. We need to be spending money on essentials before worrying about the nice-to-haves.
And Southampton's never going to have an ice rink unless private enterprise pays for it. Get over it.
I love it how the discussion here turns to the ice rink when ever a new development plan is unveiled, which I think is important to demonstrate that there is a dire need for it.
Ummm, no...I was being sarcastic when I made the original ice rink comment on this thread.
I'm not opposed to an ice rink, art gallery, museums or anything like that. But if there's only so much money to go round, it should be spent on Southampton's:
1) Pathetic road system
2) Feeble public transport
3) Underfunded schools
...and in putting a few more Police on the streets. We need to be spending money on essentials before worrying about the nice-to-haves.
And Southampton's never going to have an ice rink unless private enterprise pays for it. Get over it.
Posted by: Steve, Southampton on 12:01pm Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.[/quote] Kim you could be well be right that most people would prefer to live in a house but as you say you are being 'Thinky' you don't really know. Does your statements apply to all age groups?
This idea of 'Most' was covered by me when I referred to the balance of 'Houses' over 'Apartments'. I'm not sure what the figure is but I guess it is about 9 houses to each apartment in Soton.
We also need to be realistic, we are not going to be able to live in a house with a garden (not wanted by me thanks) in the middle of the City Centre.
Referring to your statement about demand for council houses is again possibly true. This point has already been covered but please remember that many council flats are held on leasehold. There is certainly lots of demand for flats.
Apartments are far more environmentally friendly. Heating an apartment is a breeze compared with a house. No need to dig up the grass monocultures to provide an environmentally friendly environment for the critters that want to live there. To my mind there are so many modern benefits to apartment living I am quite glad that many people want to live in houses as it keeps the demand hence price down. There are two disadvantages, one is the ancient law on leasehold where in all other countries I have live in the apartment buildings are owned on jointhold and also the controlling attitudes of councils and government to provide parking spaces.
Just a last point, modern apartment blocks, most certainly in other countries, often have swimming pools, wellness centers and Jacuzzi built in. I've even lived in apartment blocks where the roof area was laid out as a garden complete with barbecue. It only requires imagination and modern apartment is excellent. Obviously not for all but many and I would suggest most.
Kim wrote:
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.
Kim you could be well be right that most people would prefer to live in a house but as you say you are being 'Thinky' you don't really know. Does your statements apply to all age groups?
This idea of 'Most' was covered by me when I referred to the balance of 'Houses' over 'Apartments'. I'm not sure what the figure is but I guess it is about 9 houses to each apartment in Soton.
We also need to be realistic, we are not going to be able to live in a house with a garden (not wanted by me thanks) in the middle of the City Centre.
Referring to your statement about demand for council houses is again possibly true. This point has already been covered but please remember that many council flats are held on leasehold. There is certainly lots of demand for flats.
Apartments are far more environmentally friendly. Heating an apartment is a breeze compared with a house. No need to dig up the grass monocultures to provide an environmentally friendly environment for the critters that want to live there. To my mind there are so many modern benefits to apartment living I am quite glad that many people want to live in houses as it keeps the demand hence price down. There are two disadvantages, one is the ancient law on leasehold where in all other countries I have live in the apartment buildings are owned on jointhold and also the controlling attitudes of councils and government to provide parking spaces.
Just a last point, modern apartment blocks, most certainly in other countries, often have swimming pools, wellness centers and Jacuzzi built in. I've even lived in apartment blocks where the roof area was laid out as a garden complete with barbecue. It only requires imagination and modern apartment is excellent. Obviously not for all but many and I would suggest most.
Posted by: Steve, Southampton on 12:04pm Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.[/quote] Kim you could be well be right that most people would prefer to live in a house but as you say you are being 'Thinky' you don't really know. Does your statements apply to all age groups?
This idea of 'Most' was covered by me when I referred to the balance of 'Houses' over 'Apartments'. I'm not sure what the figure is but I guess it is about 9 houses to each apartment in Soton.
We also need to be realistic, we are not going to be able to live in a house with a garden (not wanted by me thanks) in the middle of the City Centre.
Referring to your statement about demand for council houses is again possibly true. This point has already been covered but please remember that many council flats are held on leasehold. There is certainly lots of demand for flats.
Apartments are far more environmentally friendly. Heating an apartment is a breeze compared with a house. No need to dig up the grass monocultures to provide an environmentally friendly environment for the critters that want to live there. To my mind there are so many modern benefits to apartment living I am quite glad that many people want to live in houses as it keeps the demand hence price down. There are two disadvantages, one is the ancient law on leasehold where in all other countries I have live in the apartment buildings are owned on jointhold and also the controlling attitudes of councils and government to provide parking spaces.
Just a last point, modern apartment blocks, most certainly in other countries, often have swimming pools, wellness centers and Jacuzzi built in. I've even lived in apartment blocks where the roof area was laid out as a garden complete with barbecue. It only requires imagination and modern apartment is excellent. Obviously not for all but many and I would suggest most.
Kim wrote:
To Steve of Southampton I think if you asked most people in the country,would you rather live in a flat or house given the choice I think most would say a house.The very heavy demand for council and housing association houses up and down the country shows this to be so.Most people that buy flats only do so because house prices are so high.
Kim you could be well be right that most people would prefer to live in a house but as you say you are being 'Thinky' you don't really know. Does your statements apply to all age groups?
This idea of 'Most' was covered by me when I referred to the balance of 'Houses' over 'Apartments'. I'm not sure what the figure is but I guess it is about 9 houses to each apartment in Soton.
We also need to be realistic, we are not going to be able to live in a house with a garden (not wanted by me thanks) in the middle of the City Centre.
Referring to your statement about demand for council houses is again possibly true. This point has already been covered but please remember that many council flats are held on leasehold. There is certainly lots of demand for flats.
Apartments are far more environmentally friendly. Heating an apartment is a breeze compared with a house. No need to dig up the grass monocultures to provide an environmentally friendly environment for the critters that want to live there. To my mind there are so many modern benefits to apartment living I am quite glad that many people want to live in houses as it keeps the demand hence price down. There are two disadvantages, one is the ancient law on leasehold where in all other countries I have live in the apartment buildings are owned on jointhold and also the controlling attitudes of councils and government to provide parking spaces.
Just a last point, modern apartment blocks, most certainly in other countries, often have swimming pools, wellness centers and Jacuzzi built in. I've even lived in apartment blocks where the roof area was laid out as a garden complete with barbecue. It only requires imagination and modern apartment is excellent. Obviously not for all but many and I would suggest most.
Posted by: billc on 2:51pm Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Evidence?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]billc[/bold] wrote:
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so
intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit
hutches, sorry, [italic]luxury apartments[/italic] in its
place?[/quote] Could you give us some examples of historic buildings
that have been pulled down in recent years?
Do you mean the gorgeous Pirelli site? Or the beautiful Canute
Pavillion at Ocean Village? Or the empty car-park and druggie den at
Charlotte Place?
Nothing of any real significance has been pulled down in recent years.
All the new build has been on derelict land.[/quote] Southampton Walls was what I had in mind
Evidence? wrote:
billc wrote:
What's the point in celebrating Southampton's history if everyone's so
intent on pulling down all evidence of said history and building rabbit
hutches, sorry, luxury apartments in its
place?
Could you give us some examples of historic buildings
that have been pulled down in recent years?
Do you mean the gorgeous Pirelli site? Or the beautiful Canute
Pavillion at Ocean Village? Or the empty car-park and druggie den at
Charlotte Place?
Nothing of any real significance has been pulled down in recent years.
All the new build has been on derelict land.
Southampton Walls was what I had in mind
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 5:54pm Tue 29 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Robert[/bold] wrote:
Yes Mushy - the clock tower looks like a phallic symbol and the Itchen Bridge looks like a fallopian tube. What are you smoking?[/quote] Lebanese Red man......
If the Itchen bridge resembles a fallopian tube and I live close to it - what does that make me?
Dont you dare.....
Robert wrote:
Yes Mushy - the clock tower looks like a phallic symbol and the Itchen Bridge looks like a fallopian tube. What are you smoking?
Lebanese Red man......
If the Itchen bridge resembles a fallopian tube and I live close to it - what does that make me?
Dont you dare.....
Posted by: WhatGoes Around, In the night sky on 7:50pm Sat 2 Feb 08
I'm worried by the [bold]green[/bold] glow coming from the top of clock tower....are back to lasers in the night!
I'm worried by the
green glow coming from the top of clock tower....are back to lasers in the night!
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