The history lesson Nigel Adkins cannot afford to ignore

NIGEL ADKINS

NIGEL ADKINS

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Sports Editor

REMEMBER, remember the whole of November; Back in 2004 it was the time Saints lost the plot; Looking back, we saw no real reason; Why Saints allowed common sense to be forgot...

Ok, those famous nursery rhyme words might have been altered from those made famous thanks to Guy Fawkes’ antics way back in 1605.

But when we’re discussing Nigel Adkins’ future, we need to cast our minds back to Saints’ last Premier League campaign.

When some fans are talking about sacking the man who has won 54 of his 96 league games in charge, there is nothing wrong with a history lesson.

Saints’ dismal Capital One Cup capitulation at Championship club Leeds on Tuesday heaped more pressure on Adkins.

It was a game he could certainly have done without on a day he didn’t want to play the fourth-round tie anyway.

The result followed seven defeats in Saints’ first nine top flight games.

On its own, a League Cup defeat at lower division opponents is hardly a great shock when Saints’ recent history in the competition is taken into account.

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But add it to league results, and Adkins is already coming under pressure from sections of the fanbase who were quick to elevate him to legendary status after winning back to back promotions last April.

It is obvious, to me anyway, that the acid tests are fast approaching.

Just as they did eight years ago. Back then, Saints were unable to bag enough points in the crucial month of November 2004 to pull themselves away from relegation fears.

Under inexperienced manager Steve Wigley Saints could only draw at home to West Brom and Crystal Palace and lost at Norwich.

The Canaries and Palace accompanied Saints down at the end of the season, and the Baggies were fourth bottom.

That is how crucial those autumn games turned out to be.

In among that lot was a horrendous League Cup loss at Championship club Watford. The three-goal margin of defeat – 5-2 – was the same as Adkins’ much-changed side lost by at Leeds earlier this week.

The shambles at Vicarage Road, though, was worse – much worse – than the Elland Road debacle.

Wigley fielded eight players who had turned out in the Premier League the weekend before, while Adkins didn’t include any.

While Adkins might now be wondering whether his fringe players are good enough for league action, Wigley was given a stark warning that his first team weren’t good enough.

Wigley remained in charge throughout November 2004, but was sacked not long into the following month.

Adkins will be hoping history doesn’t repeat itself.

Remarkably, Saints have played seven of the current top nine Premier League teams this season.

No other club down with them in the bottom seven have had a tougher start.

A real baptism of fire, as it has turned out.

The only two clubs in the top nine they haven’t met are leaders Chelsea and West Bromwich Albion, and Saints travel to the Hawthorns next Monday.

Saints have only played two games against teams not in the top half at it stands, and put four past Aston Villa in one of them.

If Saints had played seven of the bottom nine, rather than the top nine, and endured the results they have had, we might not be talking about whether Adkins is still the right man to manage the club.

The decision might already have been made.

To stay up this season, it is stating the obvious that Saints need to beat the teams who should be fighting to avoid the drop as well.

This month brings exactly the sort of games they need to be picking up points in.

After the trip to West Brom, Saints are presented with a run of three home games in four matches.

And the away game is at QPR, currently rock bottom without a win to their name.

Swansea, Newcastle and Norwich are due to visit St Mary’s in the next few weeks.

Swansea and Norwich, even at this stage of the campaign, appear games Saints really could do with winning.

Of the three home games, they present the best hopes of three points.

Former boss Alan Pardew, returning for the first time since his controversial sacking by Nicola Cortese in August 2010, will no doubt be fired up when he brings Newcastle to south Hampshire on November 24.

He will have something to prove, let’s make absolutely no mistake about that.

I wrote last week in these very pages that Saints are by no means in danger of being cast adrift in the drop zone.

Two Premier League clubs haven’t even won a game yet, while four others have only won once.

Wigan have won just twice, and even Swansea have only tasted victory once in their last seven games.

On the plus side, Saints have scored twice as many goals as QPR, Norwich and Aston Villa, and more than twice as many as Sunderland.

Stoke are another team that are averaging less than a goal per game in the Premier League.

Only one team outside the top six have scored more goals than the 14 Saints have managed – Fulham (19).

That is the good news.

Now the case for the defence, and some of Adkins’ critics will no doubt jibe that he hasn’t got one.

If he had, Saints perhaps wouldn’t be in their current predicament.

The next few weeks will tell us whether he has been able to solve the main, critical problem – the constant leaking of goals.

Perhaps ‘leaking’ is the wrong word. More of a flood at times.

If QPR, Swansea and Norwich find it as easy to score against Saints as Arsenal, West Ham, Everton and the two Manchester clubs have managed, then pressure will reach boiling point.

By the end of this month, Saints will have played more than a third of their league games in 2012/13.

Nigel Adkins will sincerely hope he is still in charge on December 1, but he really needs more points than Saints banked eight years ago.

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9:14am Thu 1 Nov 12

saintforever says...

it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)
it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before) saintforever
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9:18am Thu 1 Nov 12

John Gillham says...

The majority of fans are not calling for Nigel to go. NC is remaining quiet as he always does. So who is suggesting his sacking? The newspapers in general and the Echo in particular. How many ways can you find to say the same thing? Watch this space I suppose.
The majority of fans are not calling for Nigel to go. NC is remaining quiet as he always does. So who is suggesting his sacking? The newspapers in general and the Echo in particular. How many ways can you find to say the same thing? Watch this space I suppose. John Gillham
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9:29am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Good balanced article in my opinion.

Managers are there to manage by making the right decisions at the right time, they get it wrong they go. Some managers are better than others, is NA one of the better ones well he was in the lower leagues. This is the premier league the best league in the world, is NA able to manage this level?

Given the results so far it would appear not. November is a key month get it wrong and relegation will almost be certain whoever is the manager.

We have spent £35m and have little to show for it so far. Thats the main complaint along with the generous wages means if we get relegated the parachute money is already spent.

Decisions made in the summer mean we had to hit the ground running, we have not and now maybe its to late even if we do win a couple of those key November games.
Good balanced article in my opinion. Managers are there to manage by making the right decisions at the right time, they get it wrong they go. Some managers are better than others, is NA one of the better ones well he was in the lower leagues. This is the premier league the best league in the world, is NA able to manage this level? Given the results so far it would appear not. November is a key month get it wrong and relegation will almost be certain whoever is the manager. We have spent £35m and have little to show for it so far. Thats the main complaint along with the generous wages means if we get relegated the parachute money is already spent. Decisions made in the summer mean we had to hit the ground running, we have not and now maybe its to late even if we do win a couple of those key November games. Storm Shadow
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9:30am Thu 1 Nov 12

Court Jester Crew says...

Those of us who have been here before know that stability is key at The Saints football club. NA has done a good job until our promotion. Even in the first few games except Wigan we made so called top teams sweat.
When we have Ramirez back to full fitness this must have an effect.
NA must use the same confident powers he used to get us promoted to get us in a safe position. It must come against the lower clubs. We can do it just need to temper the free flowing football and grind out a few 1 - 0 wins. Wins this month will make a great difference and will have a greater effect on our fellow relegation strugglers.
Those of us who have been here before know that stability is key at The Saints football club. NA has done a good job until our promotion. Even in the first few games except Wigan we made so called top teams sweat. When we have Ramirez back to full fitness this must have an effect. NA must use the same confident powers he used to get us promoted to get us in a safe position. It must come against the lower clubs. We can do it just need to temper the free flowing football and grind out a few 1 - 0 wins. Wins this month will make a great difference and will have a greater effect on our fellow relegation strugglers. Court Jester Crew
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9:31am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

NA is talking about how long he has got as manager.

NC could kill this arguement dead and give NA a contract extension. Why wont he?

Because NA has proved a failure so far in th PL.
NA is talking about how long he has got as manager. NC could kill this arguement dead and give NA a contract extension. Why wont he? Because NA has proved a failure so far in th PL. Storm Shadow
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9:34am Thu 1 Nov 12

GanjaSaint says...

On the arms of my shirt it says Barclays Premier League thanks to Mr Adkins he gets til xmas at least imo
On the arms of my shirt it says Barclays Premier League thanks to Mr Adkins he gets til xmas at least imo GanjaSaint
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9:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say.

Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal.

We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager.

You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme.

This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month. Alicesdad
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9:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

Before we seriously think about ditching a manager whose success has surpassed even the great Ted Bates perhaps we can reflect on the two other great managers this club has had. Ted Bates took us from old third to old first division but had to endure a spell of 16 games in his first season in the top flight which included 11 defeats. Similarly Lawrie Mac saw us relegated in his first season (we were 5th in the league when he took over) and endured a 19 game spell with 11 defeats and 5 draws. didn't do too badly in the end did we.
Before we seriously think about ditching a manager whose success has surpassed even the great Ted Bates perhaps we can reflect on the two other great managers this club has had. Ted Bates took us from old third to old first division but had to endure a spell of 16 games in his first season in the top flight which included 11 defeats. Similarly Lawrie Mac saw us relegated in his first season (we were 5th in the league when he took over) and endured a 19 game spell with 11 defeats and 5 draws. didn't do too badly in the end did we. alan.of.eastleigh
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9:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

Confucious says...

Good ho! Thought I'd be able to rely on the Echo for an upbeat and heartening start to the day.

A relief that because I dreamt last night, that after being shipwrecked, a bunch of us were with Nigel in mid Atlantic on a lifeboat. A plane flew over and dropped a newspaper which was full of stories about starvation, thirst and hypothermia - plus a dreadfull weather forecast. The newspaper headline ran: "Will lost Saints fans eat Nigel?"

Anyhow 78% of us decided against it.

Nonetheless I guess it'll be another cheery day on here.
Good ho! Thought I'd be able to rely on the Echo for an upbeat and heartening start to the day. A relief that because I dreamt last night, that after being shipwrecked, a bunch of us were with Nigel in mid Atlantic on a lifeboat. A plane flew over and dropped a newspaper which was full of stories about starvation, thirst and hypothermia - plus a dreadfull weather forecast. The newspaper headline ran: "Will lost Saints fans eat Nigel?" Anyhow 78% of us decided against it. Nonetheless I guess it'll be another cheery day on here. Confucious
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9:36am Thu 1 Nov 12

mushrooms says...

Comparing Adkins with Wigley is like comparing an Aston Martin with a Robin Reliant
Comparing Adkins with Wigley is like comparing an Aston Martin with a Robin Reliant mushrooms
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9:36am Thu 1 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Dear Mr Simon Carter,,,,,I know it jobs day in the Echo on Thursday,,,but the jobs advertised are normally vacant,,,,,Nigel still has his (despite your best efforts) so just leave it alone.

You have no clue at all if his job is under pressure,, you go on about past managers such as Steve Wigley from an era of Saints history that no one (apart from you) cares about anymore and Alan Pardew coming back to Saints for the 1st time since being sacked means what exactly?

Do some real journalism and find out why Pardew was sacked instead of given us your opinions and a history lesson.
Dear Mr Simon Carter,,,,,I know it jobs day in the Echo on Thursday,,,but the jobs advertised are normally vacant,,,,,Nigel still has his (despite your best efforts) so just leave it alone. You have no clue at all if his job is under pressure,, you go on about past managers such as Steve Wigley from an era of Saints history that no one (apart from you) cares about anymore and Alan Pardew coming back to Saints for the 1st time since being sacked means what exactly? Do some real journalism and find out why Pardew was sacked instead of given us your opinions and a history lesson. Over the Edge
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9:37am Thu 1 Nov 12

StPete says...

Disgraceful to call for Adkins head after all he's achieved so far with the club. Fickle fans strike again
Disgraceful to call for Adkins head after all he's achieved so far with the club. Fickle fans strike again StPete
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9:40am Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans. scooter75
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9:43am Thu 1 Nov 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

It's basically a perspective look into past and present.

Look at what one, or two wins good do. It's such a ight league that we can't go blazing in with accusations and sacking scenarios, it's pointless, we have no input to make on Cortese's decisions.

As Saints fans we need to back the team, as I'm sure you guys do. But the problems are too clear cut, too obvious and at times, bloody stupid.

The Leeds result for me showed that the back up squad, the back up players that haven't featured for us just aren't up for the job and with our seiged first time leaking goals like a kick around on a sunday afternoon, it doesn't look great.

All I/we can do is stick with them through thick and thin and hope we can produce the goods, which we ALL know we can.
It's basically a perspective look into past and present. Look at what one, or two wins good do. It's such a ight league that we can't go blazing in with accusations and sacking scenarios, it's pointless, we have no input to make on Cortese's decisions. As Saints fans we need to back the team, as I'm sure you guys do. But the problems are too clear cut, too obvious and at times, bloody stupid. The Leeds result for me showed that the back up squad, the back up players that haven't featured for us just aren't up for the job and with our seiged first time leaking goals like a kick around on a sunday afternoon, it doesn't look great. All I/we can do is stick with them through thick and thin and hope we can produce the goods, which we ALL know we can. AaronLeeSaint
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9:43am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager? Storm Shadow
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9:48am Thu 1 Nov 12

Dickosfc says...

I'm going to hold my judgment and support the bloke through such an important month!
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If we can pick up some wins then our predicament will look so much better. So let’s all keep calm and carry on supporting our great club as they need us know more than ever!!
I'm going to hold my judgment and support the bloke through such an important month! . If we can pick up some wins then our predicament will look so much better. So let’s all keep calm and carry on supporting our great club as they need us know more than ever!! Dickosfc
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9:52am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Todays latest new manager odds.

4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp
3/1 Glen Hoddle
4/1 Rafa Benitez
8/1 Coco the Clown
12/1 Michael Appleton
14/1 Dave Jones
16/1 Harry Redknapp
100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson Force14
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9:52am Thu 1 Nov 12

stableboy says...

good article. This is the crucial month 9 points haul and things will look a lot different. If not then, if there going to be a change, it will have to be the done before it is too late. I hope Nigel will pull it around but I am not too optimistic.
good article. This is the crucial month 9 points haul and things will look a lot different. If not then, if there going to be a change, it will have to be the done before it is too late. I hope Nigel will pull it around but I am not too optimistic. stableboy
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9:58am Thu 1 Nov 12

toutlaw says...

I don't think Adkins should go just yet he deserves to be allowed to be in charge for the games against swansea at home, qpr away, newcastle and norwich at home because they are the games we should be winning (all next month).
If we don't get many points from those then i think it is fair to call for his head.
I think Shaw should start now he's fit, he can't really be much worse than Fox can he?
Also can somebody explain to me if Cortese is making Adkins play Guly or if Adkins just has a massive blindspot there because from your attackers you don't want great pass completion rate particularly you want assists and goals!
If we have a bad November i'd like to see Strachen or a big name manager not someone like Mcleish or Coyle because that would be pointless
I don't think Adkins should go just yet he deserves to be allowed to be in charge for the games against swansea at home, qpr away, newcastle and norwich at home because they are the games we should be winning (all next month). If we don't get many points from those then i think it is fair to call for his head. I think Shaw should start now he's fit, he can't really be much worse than Fox can he? Also can somebody explain to me if Cortese is making Adkins play Guly or if Adkins just has a massive blindspot there because from your attackers you don't want great pass completion rate particularly you want assists and goals! If we have a bad November i'd like to see Strachen or a big name manager not someone like Mcleish or Coyle because that would be pointless toutlaw
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10:02am Thu 1 Nov 12

StPete says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me StPete
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10:06am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP Force14
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10:08am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
[quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not. Storm Shadow
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10:12am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP[/p][/quote]To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country. Storm Shadow
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10:15am Thu 1 Nov 12

Andy_Germany says...

This is a decent article, well balanced and thoughtful. Why do some people on here immediately scoff at Echo articles on Saints?
Of course we want to pick up the pace, of course we want NA to turn things around. But we also need to be realistic and not view our situation through rose tinted glasses. I am 59 and have been a Saints supporter since the late 60's. NA has done wonders for the club and I hope he stays, even if we were to get relegated. But we needn't get all steamed up about peoples comments or newspaper articles that we might consider negative. Let them have their say. We just need to give the whole of SFC our support through thick and thin. That's what fans do.
This is a decent article, well balanced and thoughtful. Why do some people on here immediately scoff at Echo articles on Saints? Of course we want to pick up the pace, of course we want NA to turn things around. But we also need to be realistic and not view our situation through rose tinted glasses. I am 59 and have been a Saints supporter since the late 60's. NA has done wonders for the club and I hope he stays, even if we were to get relegated. But we needn't get all steamed up about peoples comments or newspaper articles that we might consider negative. Let them have their say. We just need to give the whole of SFC our support through thick and thin. That's what fans do. Andy_Germany
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10:18am Thu 1 Nov 12

TEBOURBA says...

The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all.
I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those?
What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract.
Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch.
The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended.
NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening.
If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered.
The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation
and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is.
The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all. I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those? What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract. Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch. The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended. NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening. If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered. The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is. TEBOURBA
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10:19am Thu 1 Nov 12

John Gillham says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Two promotions in successive years bringing the Saints from the third tier to the Premier League. I would reverse your question. When would you call a manager a failure?
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Two promotions in successive years bringing the Saints from the third tier to the Premier League. I would reverse your question. When would you call a manager a failure? John Gillham
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10:24am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

John Gillham wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Two promotions in successive years bringing the Saints from the third tier to the Premier League. I would reverse your question. When would you call a manager a failure?
Failure is spending £35m then recording 7 defeats in 9 games. One of which was againist a team (WHU) who we made look poor last season and who have only spent £15m.

What would you call failure, 9 defeats in 9 games?
[quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Two promotions in successive years bringing the Saints from the third tier to the Premier League. I would reverse your question. When would you call a manager a failure?[/p][/quote]Failure is spending £35m then recording 7 defeats in 9 games. One of which was againist a team (WHU) who we made look poor last season and who have only spent £15m. What would you call failure, 9 defeats in 9 games? Storm Shadow
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10:25am Thu 1 Nov 12

AaronLeeSaint says...

Force14 wrote:
Todays latest new manager odds.

4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp
3/1 Glen Hoddle
4/1 Rafa Benitez
8/1 Coco the Clown
12/1 Michael Appleton
14/1 Dave Jones
16/1 Harry Redknapp
100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
I've heard a lot about Rusty the dancing Chimp, certainly someone with experience, could turn the season around?
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson[/p][/quote]I've heard a lot about Rusty the dancing Chimp, certainly someone with experience, could turn the season around? AaronLeeSaint
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10:26am Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
As is your financial position, just think, even if we get relegated we still wont be playing Pampey next season, no money, no future, no hope, pay up Pampey, Pampey pay up.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP[/p][/quote]As is your financial position, just think, even if we get relegated we still wont be playing Pampey next season, no money, no future, no hope, pay up Pampey, Pampey pay up. SaintAsh1964
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10:27am Thu 1 Nov 12

StPete says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous StPete
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10:34am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Thank you for your opinion.

Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?
[quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager? Storm Shadow
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10:34am Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football.
As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.
[quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football. As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager. SaintAsh1964
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10:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

saintsupnorth says...

Good article that puts things into perspective, we have played more top clubs than any other side so far and newly promoted. We have been dealt a very bad card, almost as if the FA sat in there office laughing like mad men at the fixture list. But talking about NA future almost on a daily basis is starting to bore me now, more interested in doing what a fan does best. Supporting Saints no matter what is happening. Supporters moaning everyday is not really productive in keeping morale up in the squad.
Good article that puts things into perspective, we have played more top clubs than any other side so far and newly promoted. We have been dealt a very bad card, almost as if the FA sat in there office laughing like mad men at the fixture list. But talking about NA future almost on a daily basis is starting to bore me now, more interested in doing what a fan does best. Supporting Saints no matter what is happening. Supporters moaning everyday is not really productive in keeping morale up in the squad. saintsupnorth
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10:40am Thu 1 Nov 12

Clausentum Saint says...

Saints current performance in the premiership is just work in progress,progress being being the key issue.Things can only improve and they will under Nigel Adkins,I feel sure there are exciting times ahead for Saints,COYR'S
Saints current performance in the premiership is just work in progress,progress being being the key issue.Things can only improve and they will under Nigel Adkins,I feel sure there are exciting times ahead for Saints,COYR'S Clausentum Saint
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10:43am Thu 1 Nov 12

Licky_Rambert says...

Force14 wrote:
Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
Todays latest (league 1) promotion odds:

P*mpey - 40/1

For those that dont understand betting/odds. This means if you put £10 on p*mpey to be promoted, you lose £10.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson[/p][/quote]Todays latest (league 1) promotion odds: P*mpey - 40/1 For those that dont understand betting/odds. This means if you put £10 on p*mpey to be promoted, you lose £10. Licky_Rambert
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10:46am Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Great post Licky I do like those odds on Fergie but heard Mourinho and Guardiola are also in the running. Seems as if Force thinks Michael Appelton is favourite for the Saints job.
Great post Licky I do like those odds on Fergie but heard Mourinho and Guardiola are also in the running. Seems as if Force thinks Michael Appelton is favourite for the Saints job. SO50 Saint
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10:53am Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Licky_Rambert wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
Todays latest (league 1) promotion odds:

P*mpey - 40/1

For those that dont understand betting/odds. This means if you put £10 on p*mpey to be promoted, you lose £10.
Today's financial forecast for P*rtsmouth FC..................
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You have no finance
You have no future
You're soon to have no club
[quote][p][bold]Licky_Rambert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson[/p][/quote]Todays latest (league 1) promotion odds: P*mpey - 40/1 For those that dont understand betting/odds. This means if you put £10 on p*mpey to be promoted, you lose £10.[/p][/quote]Today's financial forecast for P*rtsmouth FC.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... ................. You have no finance You have no future You're soon to have no club SaintAsh1964
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10:56am Thu 1 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

Im hoping that in 5 years time people will be on this site saying "Nige, please dont take the England job"
Im hoping that in 5 years time people will be on this site saying "Nige, please dont take the England job" mack chinnon
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10:59am Thu 1 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all.
I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those?
What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract.
Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch.
The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended.
NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening.
If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered.
The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation
and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is.
nobody will get a statement from NC.Certainly not your run of the mill fans.He is only here for CORPORATE FOOTBALL.He doesn't seem that comcerned about English traditional values or our clubs fantastic heritage.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all. I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those? What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract. Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch. The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended. NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening. If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered. The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is.[/p][/quote]nobody will get a statement from NC.Certainly not your run of the mill fans.He is only here for CORPORATE FOOTBALL.He doesn't seem that comcerned about English traditional values or our clubs fantastic heritage. CB FRY LIVES
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11:02am Thu 1 Nov 12

More Glory says...

The statistic your paper didn't report on was goals conceded, and this is your massive problem.

Stains have conceded almost a goal a game more than the next worst defences.

Stains - 26
Norwich - 18
QPR - 18

They also have the worst goal difference. You have played some tough teams but newly promoted teams often start well.

The idea of bringing in Tony Adams, or say Gareth Southgate would be a good one, but how big is Adkins ego. Would he be able to handle that or a change to his playing style?

The Arsenal -Reading game was really entertaining the other day, but I couldn't help think that Reading in that game reminded me of your season so far. Entertaining but naive.
The statistic your paper didn't report on was goals conceded, and this is your massive problem. Stains have conceded almost a goal a game more than the next worst defences. Stains - 26 Norwich - 18 QPR - 18 They also have the worst goal difference. You have played some tough teams but newly promoted teams often start well. The idea of bringing in Tony Adams, or say Gareth Southgate would be a good one, but how big is Adkins ego. Would he be able to handle that or a change to his playing style? The Arsenal -Reading game was really entertaining the other day, but I couldn't help think that Reading in that game reminded me of your season so far. Entertaining but naive. More Glory
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11:03am Thu 1 Nov 12

StPete says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Thank you for your opinion.

Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?
As soon as he becomes a failing manager.

NA is not a failing manager
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?[/p][/quote]As soon as he becomes a failing manager. NA is not a failing manager StPete
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11:09am Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?
I think he's answered your question perfectly.

Simple people mostly ask simple questions and when there is not a simple answer the simple people simply can't grasp that! Easy really.

Looking forward to a successful November and a continued exciting Premier League campaign with the young, talented manager that is Nigel Adkins at the helm of our great football club.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?[/p][/quote]I think he's answered your question perfectly. Simple people mostly ask simple questions and when there is not a simple answer the simple people simply can't grasp that! Easy really. Looking forward to a successful November and a continued exciting Premier League campaign with the young, talented manager that is Nigel Adkins at the helm of our great football club. Ted Rogers
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11:09am Thu 1 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

total non story because the Echo has stirred the pot so many times, Southampton FC won't talk to them anymore.

Tbh its a bit like the blue few who come on here - using alot of words to say nothing very much at all.

the objective this season is to get at least one place above the relegation zone. that is all. anyone who thought we were in for a smooth ride this season is clearly disconnected with reality. the start of the season has been the hardest of any that I can remember with us being up against ALL of the teams who regularly finish in the top half of the table. we are only now getting into a run of games where we have a good chance of winning.

Oh and for the record - you get rid of a manager when you truly are at the bottom of the table and in trouble. We haven't played the teams around us at the bottom of the table yet so let's see what the position is after we have played all of those. And if you think you can predict the future, feel free to let me know what fridays euromillion numbers are going to be while you are it please.

sacking a manager at the drop of a hat has been proven time and again to be the wrong thing to do.
Get off the 'sack the manager' bandwagon and get on the 'Daily Echo - up your standards' bandwagon instead.

quite clearly this article has been written to provoke yet more silly debate about NA. If the Echo truly cared about the community it would be 100% behind Saints and NA.
total non story because the Echo has stirred the pot so many times, Southampton FC won't talk to them anymore. Tbh its a bit like the blue few who come on here - using alot of words to say nothing very much at all. the objective this season is to get at least one place above the relegation zone. that is all. anyone who thought we were in for a smooth ride this season is clearly disconnected with reality. the start of the season has been the hardest of any that I can remember with us being up against ALL of the teams who regularly finish in the top half of the table. we are only now getting into a run of games where we have a good chance of winning. Oh and for the record - you get rid of a manager when you truly are at the bottom of the table and in trouble. We haven't played the teams around us at the bottom of the table yet so let's see what the position is after we have played all of those. And if you think you can predict the future, feel free to let me know what fridays euromillion numbers are going to be while you are it please. sacking a manager at the drop of a hat has been proven time and again to be the wrong thing to do. Get off the 'sack the manager' bandwagon and get on the 'Daily Echo - up your standards' bandwagon instead. quite clearly this article has been written to provoke yet more silly debate about NA. If the Echo truly cared about the community it would be 100% behind Saints and NA. Stroppy_gramps
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11:16am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Thank you for your opinion.

Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?
As soon as he becomes a failing manager.

NA is not a failing manager
Now quantify failure?
[quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?[/p][/quote]As soon as he becomes a failing manager. NA is not a failing manager[/p][/quote]Now quantify failure? Storm Shadow
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11:19am Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?
I think he's answered your question perfectly.

Simple people mostly ask simple questions and when there is not a simple answer the simple people simply can't grasp that! Easy really.

Looking forward to a successful November and a continued exciting Premier League campaign with the young, talented manager that is Nigel Adkins at the helm of our great football club.
Simple questions, are simple because they are understood by the majority.

A failure to answer a simple answer is sign that the truth is obivious but the person cannot face to that truth.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Thank you for your opinion. Still reluctant or unable to answer a simple question. When would you sack a failing football manager?[/p][/quote]I think he's answered your question perfectly. Simple people mostly ask simple questions and when there is not a simple answer the simple people simply can't grasp that! Easy really. Looking forward to a successful November and a continued exciting Premier League campaign with the young, talented manager that is Nigel Adkins at the helm of our great football club.[/p][/quote]Simple questions, are simple because they are understood by the majority. A failure to answer a simple answer is sign that the truth is obivious but the person cannot face to that truth. Storm Shadow
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11:24am Thu 1 Nov 12

boobooj says...

How on earth do people like the writer of this article get away with writing this badly and still call themselves journalists?

If I wrote an essay that consisted of a set of vaguely connected one and two line sentences with no flow or prose, I would get laughed out of my class.

Just because you can reach people quicker and easier than ever before with the internet, doesn't mean you have to write for the sake of it.
How on earth do people like the writer of this article get away with writing this badly and still call themselves journalists? If I wrote an essay that consisted of a set of vaguely connected one and two line sentences with no flow or prose, I would get laughed out of my class. Just because you can reach people quicker and easier than ever before with the internet, doesn't mean you have to write for the sake of it. boobooj
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11:30am Thu 1 Nov 12

Red&WhiteStripes says...

Alicesdad wrote:
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
I think the article was pretty good - neither in favour of him going or otherwise. Personally speaking I think the fixtures we've had would cripple most newly promoted, inexperienced sides and we just need an "easier" team to kick on with. Unfortunately Wigan came a bit too soon and the players were all a bit overwhelmed by their first home Prem match. I don't think NA deserves to be binned yet....when we do actually play well, we play really well, that's evident - we just need a leader in the middle to direct the focus. Cork will provide some extra bite in midfield when fit and potentially could be given the arm band as well to take some pressure off AL.

We do need a defensive coach to sort them out at the back though. More Glory mentioned Gareth Southgate as a possible and I agree he'd probably be a good option. Only trouble is he's an ex Prem-manager himself so would he be able to play second fiddle? Probably not. Tony Adams might be a good contender too but would he join So'ton? Anyone know what Mark Wright is up to at the moment?!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.[/p][/quote]I think the article was pretty good - neither in favour of him going or otherwise. Personally speaking I think the fixtures we've had would cripple most newly promoted, inexperienced sides and we just need an "easier" team to kick on with. Unfortunately Wigan came a bit too soon and the players were all a bit overwhelmed by their first home Prem match. I don't think NA deserves to be binned yet....when we do actually play well, we play really well, that's evident - we just need a leader in the middle to direct the focus. Cork will provide some extra bite in midfield when fit and potentially could be given the arm band as well to take some pressure off AL. We do need a defensive coach to sort them out at the back though. More Glory mentioned Gareth Southgate as a possible and I agree he'd probably be a good option. Only trouble is he's an ex Prem-manager himself so would he be able to play second fiddle? Probably not. Tony Adams might be a good contender too but would he join So'ton? Anyone know what Mark Wright is up to at the moment?! Red&WhiteStripes
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11:33am Thu 1 Nov 12

Confucious says...

With a vital run of matches coming up, the club needs confidence and support.

There are fans who seek to feed the club and others who only want to feed off it. Currently that's about 80% the former and 20% the latter - as reflected in the Echo poll and as reflected in the proportion of plastics who have appeared recently.

While the prospect of a carcass certainly brings out the salivating and scavenging jackels and hyenas, past form shows they will soon run and melt away into the night.
With a vital run of matches coming up, the club needs confidence and support. There are fans who seek to feed the club and others who only want to feed off it. Currently that's about 80% the former and 20% the latter - as reflected in the Echo poll and as reflected in the proportion of plastics who have appeared recently. While the prospect of a carcass certainly brings out the salivating and scavenging jackels and hyenas, past form shows they will soon run and melt away into the night. Confucious
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11:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

jerseysaint says...

saintsupnorth wrote:
Good article that puts things into perspective, we have played more top clubs than any other side so far and newly promoted. We have been dealt a very bad card, almost as if the FA sat in there office laughing like mad men at the fixture list. But talking about NA future almost on a daily basis is starting to bore me now, more interested in doing what a fan does best. Supporting Saints no matter what is happening. Supporters moaning everyday is not really productive in keeping morale up in the squad.
I think Blackpool are a very good example of a club who have kept their
manager through thick and thin.
Adkins is loved by the fans so i believe
he needs at least 20 matches to adjust
to this league and adjust his squad in Jan.The Press is talking up Shearer as
NA replacement which is just crazy.
[quote][p][bold]saintsupnorth[/bold] wrote: Good article that puts things into perspective, we have played more top clubs than any other side so far and newly promoted. We have been dealt a very bad card, almost as if the FA sat in there office laughing like mad men at the fixture list. But talking about NA future almost on a daily basis is starting to bore me now, more interested in doing what a fan does best. Supporting Saints no matter what is happening. Supporters moaning everyday is not really productive in keeping morale up in the squad.[/p][/quote]I think Blackpool are a very good example of a club who have kept their manager through thick and thin. Adkins is loved by the fans so i believe he needs at least 20 matches to adjust to this league and adjust his squad in Jan.The Press is talking up Shearer as NA replacement which is just crazy. jerseysaint
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11:36am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

AaronLeeSaint wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Todays latest new manager odds.

4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp
3/1 Glen Hoddle
4/1 Rafa Benitez
8/1 Coco the Clown
12/1 Michael Appleton
14/1 Dave Jones
16/1 Harry Redknapp
100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
I've heard a lot about Rusty the dancing Chimp, certainly someone with experience, could turn the season around?
The sensible money is on Rusty the Dancing Chimp..get on quick
[quote][p][bold]AaronLeeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson[/p][/quote]I've heard a lot about Rusty the dancing Chimp, certainly someone with experience, could turn the season around?[/p][/quote]The sensible money is on Rusty the Dancing Chimp..get on quick Force14
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11:40am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.
Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same sad person.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP[/p][/quote]To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.[/p][/quote]Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same sad person. Force14
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11:44am Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?
Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover? SO50 Saint
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11:50am Thu 1 Nov 12

Folkestone Saint says...

Lets face relegation is on the cards but imo I think we came up too quick, we should stay with NA and let him build on his experience and bring us back up with a stronger squad in place, that way we start running up front rather than being lapped and being sapped of confidence.
p.s. why was Chris Coleman at St Mary's on sunday. (not a rumour as I saw him)
Lets face relegation is on the cards but imo I think we came up too quick, we should stay with NA and let him build on his experience and bring us back up with a stronger squad in place, that way we start running up front rather than being lapped and being sapped of confidence. p.s. why was Chris Coleman at St Mary's on sunday. (not a rumour as I saw him) Folkestone Saint
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11:52am Thu 1 Nov 12

Saint. says...

For cryng out loud DE you are relentless, it is sickening!

DE headlines for the last two to three weeks should be "DE heap more and more pressure everyday in everyway they can on Adkins"

The majority of true Saints fans are 100% behind Adkins and you DE the local rag are nothing more than victimising Adkins! Why? What has he done to you guys? Write an article or two to stir up a hornets nest on Adkins future with Saints, if you must. But stop this constant **** on him every single day in every single way you can!!

NA will turn Saints fortunes around, and it will be interesting to see when it dose, will you finally support Southampton FC, Nigel Adkins and Nicola Cortese?!
For cryng out loud DE you are relentless, it is sickening! DE headlines for the last two to three weeks should be "DE heap more and more pressure everyday in everyway they can on Adkins" The majority of true Saints fans are 100% behind Adkins and you DE the local rag are nothing more than victimising Adkins! Why? What has he done to you guys? Write an article or two to stir up a hornets nest on Adkins future with Saints, if you must. But stop this constant **** on him every single day in every single way you can!! NA will turn Saints fortunes around, and it will be interesting to see when it dose, will you finally support Southampton FC, Nigel Adkins and Nicola Cortese?! Saint.
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11:54am Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial... St Retford
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11:54am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?
I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?[/p][/quote]I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP Force14
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11:57am Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic Force14
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11:57am Thu 1 Nov 12

PTID1898 says...

FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY
FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY PTID1898
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11:57am Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Force14 wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?
I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP
You do realise that it's only you that thinks the whole 'Rusty the Dancing Chimp' thing is funny? I hope you're having an absolute hoot with it you weirdo.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?[/p][/quote]I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP[/p][/quote]You do realise that it's only you that thinks the whole 'Rusty the Dancing Chimp' thing is funny? I hope you're having an absolute hoot with it you weirdo. St Retford
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11:58am Thu 1 Nov 12

Stevie61163 says...

Force14 = Kent141= Storm Shadow=Skunt
Force14 = Kent141= Storm Shadow=Skunt Stevie61163
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11:58am Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Right so you want Nigel to stay because you feel we have some winnable games coming up after WBA away but if not YOU Rusty the Dancing Chimp will be quite happy to take over.

Enjoy League 2 pal once you get taken over by the PST the fun continues
Right so you want Nigel to stay because you feel we have some winnable games coming up after WBA away but if not YOU Rusty the Dancing Chimp will be quite happy to take over. Enjoy League 2 pal once you get taken over by the PST the fun continues SO50 Saint
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11:59am Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something? St Retford
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12:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

spratt says...

alan.of.eastleigh wrote:
Before we seriously think about ditching a manager whose success has surpassed even the great Ted Bates perhaps we can reflect on the two other great managers this club has had. Ted Bates took us from old third to old first division but had to endure a spell of 16 games in his first season in the top flight which included 11 defeats. Similarly Lawrie Mac saw us relegated in his first season (we were 5th in the league when he took over) and endured a 19 game spell with 11 defeats and 5 draws. didn't do too badly in the end did we.
Its pointless talking about what other managers did in a previous era. This is 2012 and the Club is in a precarious situation and staring relegation in the face unless things can be changed around during November. Can Nigel muster some points pretty soon? If not as they said in Dads Army - "we're doooomed"
[quote][p][bold]alan.of.eastleigh[/bold] wrote: Before we seriously think about ditching a manager whose success has surpassed even the great Ted Bates perhaps we can reflect on the two other great managers this club has had. Ted Bates took us from old third to old first division but had to endure a spell of 16 games in his first season in the top flight which included 11 defeats. Similarly Lawrie Mac saw us relegated in his first season (we were 5th in the league when he took over) and endured a 19 game spell with 11 defeats and 5 draws. didn't do too badly in the end did we.[/p][/quote]Its pointless talking about what other managers did in a previous era. This is 2012 and the Club is in a precarious situation and staring relegation in the face unless things can be changed around during November. Can Nigel muster some points pretty soon? If not as they said in Dads Army - "we're doooomed" spratt
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12:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

PTID1898 says...
11:57am Thu 1 Nov 12

FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY”

Have you got your baggies shirt from a few years back with you never known of any other clubs fans to have done that how embarressing
PTID1898 says... 11:57am Thu 1 Nov 12 FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY” Have you got your baggies shirt from a few years back with you never known of any other clubs fans to have done that how embarressing SO50 Saint
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12:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

@ Storm Shadow

There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts.

My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period.

My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager.

I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense.

I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
@ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble. Ted Rogers
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12:04pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Folkestone Saint says...

PTID1898 wrote:
FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY
If you knew the true meaning of humiliation you would denounce all that is connected to being a skate including your log-in. Got any more dead-line days for your farce of a club?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY[/p][/quote]If you knew the true meaning of humiliation you would denounce all that is connected to being a skate including your log-in. Got any more dead-line days for your farce of a club? Folkestone Saint
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12:04pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain. Force14
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12:16pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain. Force14
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain. Force14
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one, its so obvious ,try harder you silly Stain.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one, its so obvious ,try harder you silly Stain. Force14
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one, its so obvious ,try harder you silly Stain.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one, its so obvious ,try harder you silly Stain. Force14
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

randre says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.
Force 14... What a complete fool you are. Saints may be struggling, but and I reiterate BUT, we are playing in the best league in the world, we have a fantastic stadium and a stable financial infrastructure.

Now, compare that to Pompey... Enough said I think!
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP[/p][/quote]To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.[/p][/quote]Force 14... What a complete fool you are. Saints may be struggling, but and I reiterate BUT, we are playing in the best league in the world, we have a fantastic stadium and a stable financial infrastructure. Now, compare that to Pompey... Enough said I think! randre
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...
St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same person ....Pathetic
You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?
You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain.
Interesting word association there. I mention your mother and your immediate thought is stains. Do go on...
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Right, so we should start winning some games then? Controversial...[/p][/quote]St Retford - Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same person ....Pathetic[/p][/quote]You need to seek help. In fact, we'll help you if it'll get you to bugger off a bit quicker. Why not lie back and tell us about your mother or something?[/p][/quote]You fool no one - its so obvious, try harder you silly Stain.[/p][/quote]Interesting word association there. I mention your mother and your immediate thought is stains. Do go on... St Retford
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

St Retford wrote:
Force14 wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?
I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP
You do realise that it's only you that thinks the whole 'Rusty the Dancing Chimp' thing is funny? I hope you're having an absolute hoot with it you weirdo.
Nice one Kent/storm.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Force are you actually Rusty? you seem to be very intent on getting him the job or is rusty your lover?[/p][/quote]I want Sadkins to stay but if he gets booted out Rusty the Dancing Chimp would be my choice......PUP[/p][/quote]You do realise that it's only you that thinks the whole 'Rusty the Dancing Chimp' thing is funny? I hope you're having an absolute hoot with it you weirdo.[/p][/quote]Nice one Kent/storm. Force14
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12:25pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump. Force14
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12:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

my attitude at the moment after the outstanding performance against leeds.is expect a defeat anything else is a bonus.not into all this keep the faith crap.points make prizes waiting for all the barrage to come back
my attitude at the moment after the outstanding performance against leeds.is expect a defeat anything else is a bonus.not into all this keep the faith crap.points make prizes waiting for all the barrage to come back up saints
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12:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Dyneley says...

NA is new at this level and it shows. Sure he has made quite a few mistakes but that's exactly what most young long term successful premier league managers do early on in their career.
NA is new at this level and it shows. Sure he has made quite a few mistakes but that's exactly what most young long term successful premier league managers do early on in their career. Dyneley
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12:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Lamberts a big fat lump LOL HAHAHAHAHAH that is aboslutely priceless
Lamberts a big fat lump LOL HAHAHAHAHAH that is aboslutely priceless SO50 Saint
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12:37pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ontario Saint says...

I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories"

Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page.

Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime.

I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy.

The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time.

I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton.

Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around"
I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories" Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page. Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime. I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy. The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time. I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton. Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around" Ontario Saint
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12:37pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ontario Saint says...

I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories"

Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page.

Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime.

I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy.

The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time.

I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton.

Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around"
I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories" Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page. Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime. I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy. The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time. I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton. Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around" Ontario Saint
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12:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Force14 wrote:
scooter75 wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.
Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term.

Go and play outside you pathetic little worms.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.[/p][/quote]Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term. Go and play outside you pathetic little worms. Ted Rogers
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12:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Snebs says...

Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.
Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is. Snebs
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12:49pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
@ Storm Shadow

There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts.

My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period.

My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager.

I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense.

I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager.

and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over

Storm Shadow says...
3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010” Storm Shadow
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12:50pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Ontario Saint wrote:
I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories"

Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page.

Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime.

I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy.

The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time.

I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton.

Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around"
How come you dont even know your managers name ? comical.
[quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the Echo is totally obsessed in writing "Atkins Stories" Cannot believe that the Sports staff are unable to let a day go by without putting Nigel;s pic on the Sports page. Surely NA must be wondering why the Echo won't leave him alone for a day or two. The last thing he needs is the constant pressure the Sportswriter puts on him by indirectly suggesting he could be sacked at anytime. I think the Sportswriter needs to put himself in Atkins position. They need to ask themselves how they would feel if someone questioned their journalism ability and their job was in jeopardy. The Echo would be better served in getting behind Nigel and giving the credit he deserves in getting back to back promotions .The negativity in questioning Nigel's job on a daily basis will not help him nor the players confidence something that is needed at this critical time. I think everyone would be more interested in reading a story about Gaston Ramires and how his injury is progressing and how he likes being in Southampton. Give Nigel a break or some support something he really needs.. why not write a positive article "Thank you Nigel for the double promotion ....the Echo is behind you and has the utmost confidence in your ability to turn things around"[/p][/quote]How come you dont even know your managers name ? comical. Force14
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12:57pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
@ Storm Shadow

There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts.

My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period.

My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager.

I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense.

I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager.

and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over

Storm Shadow says...
3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
Kents back ... hilarious
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]Kents back ... hilarious Force14
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12:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Something that Allardyce the day before the start of the 2013/13 season.

"if you get off to good start, the anxieties diminsh and it becomes easier"

Very true words, my guess that the £35m spent (and underwritten by future income streams) was meant to give us that good start. Sadly that has failed to come about.
Something that Allardyce the day before the start of the 2013/13 season. "if you get off to good start, the anxieties diminsh and it becomes easier" Very true words, my guess that the £35m spent (and underwritten by future income streams) was meant to give us that good start. Sadly that has failed to come about. Storm Shadow
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1:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Something that Allardyce the day before the start of the 2013/13 season.

"if you get off to good start, the anxieties diminsh and it becomes easier"

Very true words, my guess that the £35m spent (and underwritten by future income streams) was meant to give us that good start. Sadly that has failed to come about.
Well said Kent / retford ....keep it up !!
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: Something that Allardyce the day before the start of the 2013/13 season. "if you get off to good start, the anxieties diminsh and it becomes easier" Very true words, my guess that the £35m spent (and underwritten by future income streams) was meant to give us that good start. Sadly that has failed to come about.[/p][/quote]Well said Kent / retford ....keep it up !! Force14
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1:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Force14 How are things going down at Fratton do you have a new owner yet? Have you managed to lose the 10 point deduction and get out of the relegation zone? How is the bloke in charge who looks like the bloke from Harry Potter getting on? Do you have any players tied down on long term contracts, well past the end of the season anyway? Are you selling out Fratton Park on a regular basis? Are you in the latter rounds of the JPT?

Would love to know the answer to these questions as I really don't know much about your club at present and I really don't know why. It appears since relegation followed by another one has made them rather insignificant. Could you please answer the questions before asking about the Chimp Dancer or whatever he is called
Force14 How are things going down at Fratton do you have a new owner yet? Have you managed to lose the 10 point deduction and get out of the relegation zone? How is the bloke in charge who looks like the bloke from Harry Potter getting on? Do you have any players tied down on long term contracts, well past the end of the season anyway? Are you selling out Fratton Park on a regular basis? Are you in the latter rounds of the JPT? Would love to know the answer to these questions as I really don't know much about your club at present and I really don't know why. It appears since relegation followed by another one has made them rather insignificant. Could you please answer the questions before asking about the Chimp Dancer or whatever he is called SO50 Saint
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1:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate.
Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate. Storm Shadow
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1:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate.

Of which the above is an exception
Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate. Of which the above is an exception Storm Shadow
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1:05pm Thu 1 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Force14 wrote:
scooter75 wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.
Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term.

Go and play outside you pathetic little worms.
Agree. Sad little Westwood wannabe's.
I bet they've got all the gastly blue and white bedroom set. Curtains, lamp shades, quilt covers and rugs etc.
Ignore the fish fiddling freaks
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.[/p][/quote]Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term. Go and play outside you pathetic little worms.[/p][/quote]Agree. Sad little Westwood wannabe's. I bet they've got all the gastly blue and white bedroom set. Curtains, lamp shades, quilt covers and rugs etc. Ignore the fish fiddling freaks seventh-junction
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1:06pm Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

It's where you finish not how you start.

That is all.
It's where you finish not how you start. That is all. St Retford
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1:11pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate.
Ha Ha ha ....well done Kent ..Priceless !
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: Force14 your articulate quips are wasted on me, I only respond to intelligent and reasoned debate.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha ha ....well done Kent ..Priceless ! Force14
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1:14pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are:

Alex Ferguson 58%
Arsene Wenger 57%
Nigel Adkins 57%
David Moyes 44%
Harry Redknapp 40%
Michael Appleton 26%

Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club. Ted Rogers
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1:14pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

seventh-junction wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Force14 wrote:
scooter75 wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.
Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term.

Go and play outside you pathetic little worms.
Agree. Sad little Westwood wannabe's.
I bet they've got all the gastly blue and white bedroom set. Curtains, lamp shades, quilt covers and rugs etc.
Ignore the fish fiddling freaks
Why abuse Scooter,he is one of your lot you idiot !
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]His biggest fans ? hmmmmmm Lamberts a big fat lump.[/p][/quote]Can't be a coincidence that all these complete w@nkers come out at half term. Go and play outside you pathetic little worms.[/p][/quote]Agree. Sad little Westwood wannabe's. I bet they've got all the gastly blue and white bedroom set. Curtains, lamp shades, quilt covers and rugs etc. Ignore the fish fiddling freaks[/p][/quote]Why abuse Scooter,he is one of your lot you idiot ! Force14
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1:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are:

Alex Ferguson 58%
Arsene Wenger 57%
Nigel Adkins 57%
David Moyes 44%
Harry Redknapp 40%
Michael Appleton 26%

Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same. Storm Shadow
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1:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on
Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on SO50 Saint
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1:25pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on
No time...some of us have to work..ta ta for now.....PUP
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on[/p][/quote]No time...some of us have to work..ta ta for now.....PUP Force14
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1:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP. hedge end bob
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1:28pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

So typical of you that is, try taking a look at your own club who are far more of a joke than ours at present.
So typical of you that is, try taking a look at your own club who are far more of a joke than ours at present. SO50 Saint
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1:37pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

St Retford wrote:
It's where you finish not how you start.

That is all.
Once again we see the most sense in the fewest words.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: It's where you finish not how you start. That is all.[/p][/quote]Once again we see the most sense in the fewest words. Alicesdad
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1:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

StPete says...

When we win on Monday, we could be above Aston Villa and Norwich, 2 points behind Stoke and only 3 behind the mighty Liverpool. Will you still be calling for NA's head then? If so I hope the Stoke and Liverpool fans will follow suit and call for Pullis and Rodgers to be sacked as well
When we win on Monday, we could be above Aston Villa and Norwich, 2 points behind Stoke and only 3 behind the mighty Liverpool. Will you still be calling for NA's head then? If so I hope the Stoke and Liverpool fans will follow suit and call for Pullis and Rodgers to be sacked as well StPete
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1:42pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are:

Alex Ferguson 58%
Arsene Wenger 57%
Nigel Adkins 57%
David Moyes 44%
Harry Redknapp 40%
Michael Appleton 26%

Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways. SaintAsh1964
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1:43pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP
To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.
Storm Shadow - Kent 141

Same sad person.
Dont forget to include yourself, with your six fingers you are able to hold three poison pens at the same time.

SKUNT....SKUNT.....S
KUNT.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]I would stick with Sadkins for 37 games at least as this is hilarious....PUP[/p][/quote]To be honest Force14 nobody cares what you think, but please carry on wasting your time its a free country.[/p][/quote]Storm Shadow - Kent 141 Same sad person.[/p][/quote]Dont forget to include yourself, with your six fingers you are able to hold three poison pens at the same time. SKUNT....SKUNT.....S KUNT. hedge end bob
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1:45pm Thu 1 Nov 12

JohnItaly says...

What would be a more interesting and informative history lesson would be an analysis of the fate of those clubs that were deemed to be in trouble in November / December of any season and changed manager. How many missed the dreaded drop? Running parallel with that analysis a similar one on the fortunes of those clubs that have stuck with their manager through "thick and thin". My gut feeling tells me the latter will prove to be provide more success.
What would be a more interesting and informative history lesson would be an analysis of the fate of those clubs that were deemed to be in trouble in November / December of any season and changed manager. How many missed the dreaded drop? Running parallel with that analysis a similar one on the fortunes of those clubs that have stuck with their manager through "thick and thin". My gut feeling tells me the latter will prove to be provide more success. JohnItaly
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1:54pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are:

Alex Ferguson 58%
Arsene Wenger 57%
Nigel Adkins 57%
David Moyes 44%
Harry Redknapp 40%
Michael Appleton 26%

Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one.

Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all.

But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results. Storm Shadow
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1:55pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

The culture of 'achieve constant success or be sacked' is self destructive.
by definition you cannot achieve constant success.

Southampton ARE NOT in trouble.
We have a sound financial base
We have a Premier League standard stadium
We have one of the best acadamy's in the country
we have started this season playing against the best the PL have to offer
Only now are we starting to come up against the teams who are lower down the table - and these are the teams we need to beat NOT the likes of Man U and Man C.
Even then all we need to do is stay out of the bottom 3. Thats all.
One win and we are out of the relegation zone
Two wins and suddenly we are mid-table
Will you still want Adkins to go then?
this story by the Echo is just scaremongering rubbish designed to bring out the worst in people. It's poor, poor journalism of the worst order and you should treat it with the contempt it deserves.
And ignore the fishy end of the M27, they are only here because they have nothing to say about their own bust, in administration, no future kipper shed.
In fact you should take note that they do not respond to comments about how their team is doing because they know, just like everyone else, that the clock is ticking and their future isn't that rosy.
The culture of 'achieve constant success or be sacked' is self destructive. by definition you cannot achieve constant success. Southampton ARE NOT in trouble. We have a sound financial base We have a Premier League standard stadium We have one of the best acadamy's in the country we have started this season playing against the best the PL have to offer Only now are we starting to come up against the teams who are lower down the table - and these are the teams we need to beat NOT the likes of Man U and Man C. Even then all we need to do is stay out of the bottom 3. Thats all. One win and we are out of the relegation zone Two wins and suddenly we are mid-table Will you still want Adkins to go then? this story by the Echo is just scaremongering rubbish designed to bring out the worst in people. It's poor, poor journalism of the worst order and you should treat it with the contempt it deserves. And ignore the fishy end of the M27, they are only here because they have nothing to say about their own bust, in administration, no future kipper shed. In fact you should take note that they do not respond to comments about how their team is doing because they know, just like everyone else, that the clock is ticking and their future isn't that rosy. Stroppy_gramps
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1:57pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

Snebs wrote:
Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.
We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.[/p][/quote]We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them. hedge end bob
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1:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Winchester Saint says...

Hmm..November 24th? I reckons someone at Echo forgets that the Newcastle match has been moved to Sunday Nov 25th cos of the Geordie's Europa Cup match.

In the meantime, I think we should give Atkins a month to prove himself in all these matches in the whole five weeks.

If not, then I think this could be the end of Atkins as Saints manager but I hope not.
Hmm..November 24th? I reckons someone at Echo forgets that the Newcastle match has been moved to Sunday Nov 25th cos of the Geordie's Europa Cup match. In the meantime, I think we should give Atkins a month to prove himself in all these matches in the whole five weeks. If not, then I think this could be the end of Atkins as Saints manager but I hope not. Winchester Saint
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1:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

In fact you should take note that they do not respond to comments about how their team is doing because they know, just like everyone else, that the clock is ticking and their future isn't that rosy.”

I'm glad you noticed that too have asked the same question to other skunts who decide to come on here the only response i usually get is haha you just lost to whichever premier leage club we have just lost too
In fact you should take note that they do not respond to comments about how their team is doing because they know, just like everyone else, that the clock is ticking and their future isn't that rosy.” I'm glad you noticed that too have asked the same question to other skunts who decide to come on here the only response i usually get is haha you just lost to whichever premier leage club we have just lost too SO50 Saint
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2:06pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

It's in time of adversity that you find out what people are made of and some on here are showing us their true selves.

I like to go to away games, great day out with mates, few beers in the pubs. It never entered my head to go to Leeds. I expected us to rest the first team and take a look at the fringe and squad players. Other than in training when else do you get to look at the likes of Butterfield and Seaborne? They were given a chance and didn't take it so expect to see them sold in January.

We were 7th or 8th biggest spenders in Europe this summer. But that's because we spent a vast sum on one player who is currently injured so we aren't able to benefit from that spend at the moment.

For those that say NA didn't buy the right players I would draw their attention to the very strong rumours within the club that suggest NC and Sid Little were in charge of transfer activity and not NA. If that is the case you can hardly blame NA for the lack of defensive signings can you?

Do you really think NA burst into NC's office and said "sod Buttner I'm desperate for Del Piero!" Think about it.
It's in time of adversity that you find out what people are made of and some on here are showing us their true selves. I like to go to away games, great day out with mates, few beers in the pubs. It never entered my head to go to Leeds. I expected us to rest the first team and take a look at the fringe and squad players. Other than in training when else do you get to look at the likes of Butterfield and Seaborne? They were given a chance and didn't take it so expect to see them sold in January. We were 7th or 8th biggest spenders in Europe this summer. But that's because we spent a vast sum on one player who is currently injured so we aren't able to benefit from that spend at the moment. For those that say NA didn't buy the right players I would draw their attention to the very strong rumours within the club that suggest NC and Sid Little were in charge of transfer activity and not NA. If that is the case you can hardly blame NA for the lack of defensive signings can you? Do you really think NA burst into NC's office and said "sod Buttner I'm desperate for Del Piero!" Think about it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:06pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Sounds like a classic case of skunt penile envy on here lately.
You sad pathetic fools seem to spend all your time obsessing on here with your inadequacies for us all to see.
Wake up, smell the coffee and realise you will never get a boyfriend/girlfriend
/life while pathetically exposing all your insecurities to us in front of your laptops 24/7.

I’ve squeezed out turds the same size as you lot and believe me the smell and end result is always the same .... you get flushed away and forgotten, but the smell lingers for a while, granted.

Red and White only in Hampshire and PREM footy to delight, while the Blue scummers are just flushed down the lav as disposable League 2 sh!te!!!!
Sounds like a classic case of skunt penile envy on here lately. You sad pathetic fools seem to spend all your time obsessing on here with your inadequacies for us all to see. Wake up, smell the coffee and realise you will never get a boyfriend/girlfriend /life while pathetically exposing all your insecurities to us in front of your laptops 24/7. I’ve squeezed out turds the same size as you lot and believe me the smell and end result is always the same .... you get flushed away and forgotten, but the smell lingers for a while, granted. Red and White only in Hampshire and PREM footy to delight, while the Blue scummers are just flushed down the lav as disposable League 2 sh!te!!!! Mush On The Beach
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2:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Saints n Winners says...

JohnItaly wrote:
What would be a more interesting and informative history lesson would be an analysis of the fate of those clubs that were deemed to be in trouble in November / December of any season and changed manager. How many missed the dreaded drop? Running parallel with that analysis a similar one on the fortunes of those clubs that have stuck with their manager through "thick and thin". My gut feeling tells me the latter will prove to be provide more success.
I quoted from this article the other day, make your own mind up i guess,

http://blogs.indepen
dent.co.uk/2011/05/1
7/to-save-yourself-f
rom-relegation-histo
ry-says-sack-the-man
ager/
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: What would be a more interesting and informative history lesson would be an analysis of the fate of those clubs that were deemed to be in trouble in November / December of any season and changed manager. How many missed the dreaded drop? Running parallel with that analysis a similar one on the fortunes of those clubs that have stuck with their manager through "thick and thin". My gut feeling tells me the latter will prove to be provide more success.[/p][/quote]I quoted from this article the other day, make your own mind up i guess, http://blogs.indepen dent.co.uk/2011/05/1 7/to-save-yourself-f rom-relegation-histo ry-says-sack-the-man ager/ Saints n Winners
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2:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Im hoping that in 5 years time people will be on this site saying "Nige, please dont take the England job"
Give him an 8 year contract now, That puts Pardew back in the limelight for the England job
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Im hoping that in 5 years time people will be on this site saying "Nige, please dont take the England job"[/p][/quote]Give him an 8 year contract now, That puts Pardew back in the limelight for the England job Mush On The Beach
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2:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are:

Alex Ferguson 58%
Arsene Wenger 57%
Nigel Adkins 57%
David Moyes 44%
Harry Redknapp 40%
Michael Appleton 26%

Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one.

Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all.

But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
About as relevant as using only Premiership data, as Adkins has only had a handful of games.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]About as relevant as using only Premiership data, as Adkins has only had a handful of games. SaintAsh1964
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2:26pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily. Ted Rogers
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2:30pm Thu 1 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football.
As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.
will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football. As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.[/p][/quote]will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better. CB FRY LIVES
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2:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12

warsashsaint says...

PTID1898 wrote:
FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY
said the no brain celled ,one d.n.a skunt
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY[/p][/quote]said the no brain celled ,one d.n.a skunt warsashsaint
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2:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

promised land says...

Force14 wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on
No time...some of us have to work..ta ta for now.....PUP
Work ? Oh yeah and don't forget to work overtime for the 1000 quid you pledged to buy into a "lost cause".
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Force I've asked some questions about Portsmouth could you please answer them would love to know how you are getting on[/p][/quote]No time...some of us have to work..ta ta for now.....PUP[/p][/quote]Work ? Oh yeah and don't forget to work overtime for the 1000 quid you pledged to buy into a "lost cause". promised land
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2:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Chipster says...

PTID1898 wrote:
FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY
Looks like someone has forgotten to take their medication, calm down me old Plastic Cockney otherwise you might soil yourself.

As for humiliation, thats a bit extreme when rightly or wrongly we fielded a largely inexperienced side. But fair play to Leeds, they were more up for it than we were. End of.

Now lets get back to the basics of our respective league positions, perhaps you're unaware of just how far below us AFC Skunt is? Maybe it's just that you can't count beyond your twelve webbed feet and toes, who knows! But the main thread is whatever happens at the end of this season we as a reputable/honest club will fair far better than the rank smelling sewer club that you support, then again you obviously deserve one another.

Anyway, before you get any more premenstrual it might be an idea to see Matron for some more methadone, or whatever horse tranqualiser you're on! Enjoy your final liquidation, we will...............
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: FAKE TAN ALERT!!!!! KEEP NIGEL IN HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF HUMILIATING THE SC****RS,CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY'S HUMILIATION COME ON THE BAGGIES.PLAY UP POMPEY[/p][/quote]Looks like someone has forgotten to take their medication, calm down me old Plastic Cockney otherwise you might soil yourself. As for humiliation, thats a bit extreme when rightly or wrongly we fielded a largely inexperienced side. But fair play to Leeds, they were more up for it than we were. End of. Now lets get back to the basics of our respective league positions, perhaps you're unaware of just how far below us AFC Skunt is? Maybe it's just that you can't count beyond your twelve webbed feet and toes, who knows! But the main thread is whatever happens at the end of this season we as a reputable/honest club will fair far better than the rank smelling sewer club that you support, then again you obviously deserve one another. Anyway, before you get any more premenstrual it might be an idea to see Matron for some more methadone, or whatever horse tranqualiser you're on! Enjoy your final liquidation, we will............... Chipster
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2:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

TEBOURBA says...

I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted.
Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves.
This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready.
Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc.
Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience.
I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked.
Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense?
What is there to lose by doing this?
Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?
I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted. Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves. This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready. Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc. Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience. I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked. Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense? What is there to lose by doing this? Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose? TEBOURBA
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2:40pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune? SaintMax
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2:40pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune? SaintMax
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2:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football.
As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.
will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better.
Instant Gratification, 2 words easy to say but not so easy to achieve.
We have climbed 2 leagues in 2 years from the brink and have come back fighting.
It’s a rollercoaster ride but I’ll give you 2 more words ...... ENJOY IT
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football. As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.[/p][/quote]will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better.[/p][/quote]Instant Gratification, 2 words easy to say but not so easy to achieve. We have climbed 2 leagues in 2 years from the brink and have come back fighting. It’s a rollercoaster ride but I’ll give you 2 more words ...... ENJOY IT Mush On The Beach
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2:48pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ? scooter75
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2:48pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune? SaintMax
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2:48pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune? SaintMax
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2:50pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted.
Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves.
This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready.
Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc.
Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience.
I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked.
Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense?
What is there to lose by doing this?
Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?
I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted. Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves. This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready. Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc. Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience. I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked. Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense? What is there to lose by doing this? Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?[/p][/quote]I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on Mush On The Beach
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2:51pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

..got my point across methinks
..got my point across methinks SaintMax
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2:53pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted.
Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves.
This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready.
Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc.
Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience.
I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked.
Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense?
What is there to lose by doing this?
Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?
I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on
Why do you constantly abuse people on here,what is your problem ?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted. Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves. This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready. Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc. Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience. I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked. Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense? What is there to lose by doing this? Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?[/p][/quote]I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on[/p][/quote]Why do you constantly abuse people on here,what is your problem ? scooter75
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2:53pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Ok. If we agree that he goes at the end of November if things aren't improving can we agree not to discuss it again until then?
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Ok. If we agree that he goes at the end of November if things aren't improving can we agree not to discuss it again until then? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:57pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money' Ted Rogers
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2:57pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people. scooter75
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2:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted.
Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves.
This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready.
Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc.
Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience.
I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked.
Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense?
What is there to lose by doing this?
Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?
I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on
Heh.

I believe the 'mentor/defensive coach' point has been made by various people (all, seemingly, under the impression it's an absolute work of genius) precisely 9,572 times in the last week. Shall we chill out with it a bit?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted. Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves. This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready. Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc. Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience. I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked. Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense? What is there to lose by doing this? Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?[/p][/quote]I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on[/p][/quote]Heh. I believe the 'mentor/defensive coach' point has been made by various people (all, seemingly, under the impression it's an absolute work of genius) precisely 9,572 times in the last week. Shall we chill out with it a bit? St Retford
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2:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses. Storm Shadow
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3:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mush On The Beach says...

scooter75 wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted.
Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves.
This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready.
Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc.
Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience.
I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked.
Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense?
What is there to lose by doing this?
Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?
I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on
Why do you constantly abuse people on here,what is your problem ?
I guess my problem is that I see people who are worthy of abuse and give it to them .... I really can be quite sociable given the right company
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most posters on here know of examples in their own working lives where a fellow worker has been over promoted. Superb at the job they were doing, recognised by the management and promoted to a more senior position where they have struggled and become a shadow of their former selves. This has happened to Nigel, by his well earned, own success in the last 2 seasons he has been whisked in to a position in the PL for which he is not fully ready. Like anyone placed in this position he needs an experienced person to lean on, to get a second opinion from, discuss tactics, share views on the pros and cons of players, etc. Nigel has no one of that ilk, there is no one at SMS with PL experience. I think Nigel could be one of the finest managers Saints have ever had and I do not want him to be sacked. Surely bringing in an experenced old head to help Nigel makes sense? What is there to lose by doing this? Isn't it better to try changing things rather than hoping and praying that it will get better and that teams around us will lose?[/p][/quote]I don’t men this in a rude way but have you been checked out for dementia lately .... you crap on about the same point ALL the time. We get it, you were once given a job and you couldn’t handle it ... move on[/p][/quote]Why do you constantly abuse people on here,what is your problem ?[/p][/quote]I guess my problem is that I see people who are worthy of abuse and give it to them .... I really can be quite sociable given the right company Mush On The Beach
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3:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post. SaintAsh1964
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3:11pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand. SaintMax
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3:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T hedge end bob
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3:16pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past.
If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship?
I actually think you would..
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.[/p][/quote]You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past. If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship? I actually think you would.. SaintMax
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3:17pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:17pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

SaintMax wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
As i said its a few people who try to bully others who have a different opinion. what else is worth dicussing than the dire predicament we are in, the price of pies maybe.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.[/p][/quote]As i said its a few people who try to bully others who have a different opinion. what else is worth dicussing than the dire predicament we are in, the price of pies maybe. scooter75
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3:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
I do demand success. I want us to be in the top 3, challenging for Champions league, beating Manure and Man City and selling out a St Mary's with a capacity of 50,000 a week.
Were you nice and comfy in league 1 then?
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'[/p][/quote]I do demand success. I want us to be in the top 3, challenging for Champions league, beating Manure and Man City and selling out a St Mary's with a capacity of 50,000 a week. Were you nice and comfy in league 1 then? SaintMax
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3:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintMax wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.[/p][/quote]We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ? scooter75
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3:28pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

well i shall be in the pub monday not a clue what the team will be hoping gazza in goal.now the good points wife will be the chauffeur.real ale get 1p change from £2 the more we score or let in the quicker the pints go down.better take about £20 i guess
well i shall be in the pub monday not a clue what the team will be hoping gazza in goal.now the good points wife will be the chauffeur.real ale get 1p change from £2 the more we score or let in the quicker the pints go down.better take about £20 i guess up saints
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3:29pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?
Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans.
In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.[/p][/quote]We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?[/p][/quote]Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans. In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me. SaintMax
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3:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****. hedge end bob
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3:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Scarborosaint says...

Take it the echo have nothing better to write about !! Apart from the premiership being totally different from 2004 , Steve wigley never got us promotion 2 years on the trot. Wish the echo would back the club and try and put a more positive slant on things . Alright we know things have not got off to a great start but it's a marathon not a sprint or 38 games to be precise, stability and faith is the way forward, NA has made some mistakes but name me a manager who does not, alf Ramsey took off bobby charlton in 1970 to rest for next game England lost 3-2, Mancini keeps trying 3 at the back for man city they have lost every game, NA will learn from these mistakes and become a better manager for it, sir Alex was one game away from the sack but his chairmen showed some belief in the person he had appointed
Take it the echo have nothing better to write about !! Apart from the premiership being totally different from 2004 , Steve wigley never got us promotion 2 years on the trot. Wish the echo would back the club and try and put a more positive slant on things . Alright we know things have not got off to a great start but it's a marathon not a sprint or 38 games to be precise, stability and faith is the way forward, NA has made some mistakes but name me a manager who does not, alf Ramsey took off bobby charlton in 1970 to rest for next game England lost 3-2, Mancini keeps trying 3 at the back for man city they have lost every game, NA will learn from these mistakes and become a better manager for it, sir Alex was one game away from the sack but his chairmen showed some belief in the person he had appointed Scarborosaint
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3:32pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

SaintMax wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?
Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans.
In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me.
and me !
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.[/p][/quote]We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?[/p][/quote]Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans. In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me.[/p][/quote]and me ! scooter75
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3:35pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
Read your post again W***ER !!!
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.[/p][/quote]Read your post again W***ER !!! scooter75
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3:44pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

think i have lost the plot on here not sure who support who all this fighting here whats it like at the match these days
think i have lost the plot on here not sure who support who all this fighting here whats it like at the match these days up saints
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3:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

up saints wrote:
think i have lost the plot on here not sure who support who all this fighting here whats it like at the match these days
some people are confusing ambition and a desire to win with being a non-supporter or not a 'true fan'.
Best way to look at it is Happy Clappers versus the Over demanders.
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: think i have lost the plot on here not sure who support who all this fighting here whats it like at the match these days[/p][/quote]some people are confusing ambition and a desire to win with being a non-supporter or not a 'true fan'. Best way to look at it is Happy Clappers versus the Over demanders. SaintMax
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3:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Golden_Salamander says...

Usual ANTI-Saints stuff from the Echo.
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They really don't like Saints do they, prehaps taking cheap shots at Nigel is the only way they can improve their circulation figures which have dropped below 30,000 for the 1st time (29,973 Aug 29th).
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On the subject of the Echo reporting did anyone read the Pink last Sunday, here are 3 gems :-
(1) On Page39 talking about the South Run there is a bit about Billy Sharp running it and the article says
"... He scored both goals including a dramatic late equalise when Saints drew 2-2 with the Cheats ....."
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Perhaps the team that the Echo supports got a late equaliser that day ?
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(2) On page 11 Simon Carter wrote
"... Fox, despite having played two WC qualifiers for Scotland during the international break wasn't even in the matchday squad at Upton Park. He might have been injured but manager Nigel Adkins wasn't asked about the defender's absence so we don't know ...."

Yet 6 days EARLIER after the whu game Nigel said it was a "hamstring injury" try listening at 3:23-3:45 from Radio Solent.
http://audioboo.fm/b
oos/1016927-nigel-ad
kins-speaking-to-sol
entsport-after-saint
s-4-1-defeat-at-west
-ham
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Sorry Simon but Saints fans know he has a Hamstring problem.
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(3) On Page 14 Dan Kerrins says
"As we all know, Saints have ditched 4-4-2 after what I consider to be 2 successful years of using it... Now the first team has changed over to 4-3-3 In itself not a bad thing penty of sides use it. The fact that the SENIOR SIDE HAD to CHANGE TO BRING IT INTO LINE WITH THE YOUTH TEAM seemed odd....".
!?!
Sorry Dan but that it rubbish. Most PL sides play some variation of 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) and we had trouble in the 2nd half of last season against sides playing that system e.g. Bristol, Blackpool etc.
Did you watch the 1st hour sunday ? imo 4-4-2 will lose most times to 4-2-3-1, we had to adapt a change this season.
The 1st team DID NOT "change to bring it into line with the youth team". Complete rubbish.
Usual ANTI-Saints stuff from the Echo. . They really don't like Saints do they, prehaps taking cheap shots at Nigel is the only way they can improve their circulation figures which have dropped below 30,000 for the 1st time (29,973 Aug 29th). . On the subject of the Echo reporting did anyone read the Pink last Sunday, here are 3 gems :- (1) On Page39 talking about the South Run there is a bit about Billy Sharp running it and the article says "... He scored both goals including a dramatic late equalise when Saints drew 2-2 with the Cheats ....." . Perhaps the team that the Echo supports got a late equaliser that day ? . (2) On page 11 Simon Carter wrote "... Fox, despite having played two WC qualifiers for Scotland during the international break wasn't even in the matchday squad at Upton Park. He might have been injured but manager Nigel Adkins wasn't asked about the defender's absence so we don't know ...." Yet 6 days EARLIER after the whu game Nigel said it was a "hamstring injury" try listening at 3:23-3:45 from Radio Solent. http://audioboo.fm/b oos/1016927-nigel-ad kins-speaking-to-sol entsport-after-saint s-4-1-defeat-at-west -ham . Sorry Simon but Saints fans know he has a Hamstring problem. . (3) On Page 14 Dan Kerrins says "As we all know, Saints have ditched 4-4-2 after what I consider to be 2 successful years of using it... Now the first team has changed over to 4-3-3 In itself not a bad thing penty of sides use it. The fact that the SENIOR SIDE HAD to CHANGE TO BRING IT INTO LINE WITH THE YOUTH TEAM seemed odd....". !?! Sorry Dan but that it rubbish. Most PL sides play some variation of 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) and we had trouble in the 2nd half of last season against sides playing that system e.g. Bristol, Blackpool etc. Did you watch the 1st hour sunday ? imo 4-4-2 will lose most times to 4-2-3-1, we had to adapt a change this season. The 1st team DID NOT "change to bring it into line with the youth team". Complete rubbish. Golden_Salamander
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4:01pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
Read your post again W***ER !!!
OK everyone can make a mistake ....................
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....................
..............your ficking father did, big time.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.[/p][/quote]Read your post again W***ER !!![/p][/quote]OK everyone can make a mistake .................... .................... .................... ..............your ficking father did, big time. hedge end bob
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4:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Nicole23 says...

At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day.
We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down.
There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players.
That's what support means!!
At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!! Nicole23
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4:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
Read your post again W***ER !!!
Pity your father never took up the pastime you refer to in your last post, if he did you might not have been here!!!!
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.[/p][/quote]Read your post again W***ER !!![/p][/quote]Pity your father never took up the pastime you refer to in your last post, if he did you might not have been here!!!! hedge end bob
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4:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Scarborosaint says...

Guys let's just stick the facts instead of abusing each other !! We are the saints , premier league club , averaging over 30 k per week with money in the bank and we have just paid 12 million for a player, the skates , division 1, lucky to get half the crowd, no money but lots of debt and can't buy a player for 12 p let alone 12 m .
As much as I dislike Pompey , their fans are loyal and no club deserves to go to the wall, i live in Scarborough , go past the old ground every day it's just rubble and they play 20 miles away in the equivalent of the Hampshire league , we all need rivalry and I would rather have the possibility of derby games than none and all .
Guys let's just stick the facts instead of abusing each other !! We are the saints , premier league club , averaging over 30 k per week with money in the bank and we have just paid 12 million for a player, the skates , division 1, lucky to get half the crowd, no money but lots of debt and can't buy a player for 12 p let alone 12 m . As much as I dislike Pompey , their fans are loyal and no club deserves to go to the wall, i live in Scarborough , go past the old ground every day it's just rubble and they play 20 miles away in the equivalent of the Hampshire league , we all need rivalry and I would rather have the possibility of derby games than none and all . Scarborosaint
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4:11pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
Read your post again W***ER !!!
OK everyone can make a mistake ....................

....................

....................

..............your ficking father did, big time.
You are really living up to your name bob the knob , show yourself up by picking fights with your own fans, anyone reading your posts can see that.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.[/p][/quote]Read your post again W***ER !!![/p][/quote]OK everyone can make a mistake .................... .................... .................... ..............your ficking father did, big time.[/p][/quote]You are really living up to your name bob the knob , show yourself up by picking fights with your own fans, anyone reading your posts can see that. scooter75
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4:11pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

Nicole23 wrote:
At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day.
We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down.
There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players.
That's what support means!!
Agree.
[quote][p][bold]Nicole23[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!![/p][/quote]Agree. hedge end bob
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4:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

spratt says...

SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
At last a sensible appraisal of the situation. Some change from the inane drivel of most posters especially those in blue and white who not only show what pathetic fools they are but damage the Club they apparently support.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]At last a sensible appraisal of the situation. Some change from the inane drivel of most posters especially those in blue and white who not only show what pathetic fools they are but damage the Club they apparently support. spratt
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4:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hates the skates says...

hes their and thats that all this sacking crap has to stop cause its a distraction he could do with out, but sathat if he fu@ks up this month then c ya. the excuses are bull sh!t now
hes their and thats that all this sacking crap has to stop cause its a distraction he could do with out, but sathat if he fu@ks up this month then c ya. the excuses are bull sh!t now hates the skates
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4:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Bingo from Sholing says...

Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.
Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story. Bingo from Sholing
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4:26pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.
Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.[/p][/quote]Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does. scooter75
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4:33pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.”

Does NA know what he is doing?
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'[/p][/quote]Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.” Does NA know what he is doing? Storm Shadow
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4:35pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.”

Does NA know what he is doing?
No he doesent !
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'[/p][/quote]Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.” Does NA know what he is doing?[/p][/quote]No he doesent ! kent141
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4:37pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on.
The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.
Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you.

In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.
Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?
JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T
You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?
There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.
Read your post again W***ER !!!
OK everyone can make a mistake ....................


....................


....................


..............your ficking father did, big time.
You are really living up to your name bob the knob , show yourself up by picking fights with your own fans, anyone reading your posts can see that.
If you read my post correct in the first place, the first paragraph and only the first paragraph was sent in your direction. There was no name calling only asking you not to assume you can speak for me.
In Nigel Adkins i see a bright young manager being hounded out of a job by a very few fans. Yes everyone would like to be top of the league , but with the start our club has had against the teams in the top nine places that was never going to happen. We have spent a hell of a lot of money for our club only to have our most expensive player out injured. What we have seen of him so far is proof that when he is back playing we will improve. Surely we as fans should be behind our manager 100% until he has had his best team out there for more than nine games. Lets get to Christmas before we start hounding the guy , he has enough on his plate without The Echo adding to his troubles.
Just remmber you started the name calling so take up this olive branch and unite behind the guy. And that goes for everyone.

Except the SKUNTS on here, they can just fick off.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: It is a fair article,even the critics have hoped N/A would turn things round but how much longer can this go on. The next three games are crucial now,im not confident in the slightest but they are winnable so he has to get things right this time or he will lose the support of even his biggest fans.[/p][/quote]Nigel will lose your support, but then i dont suppose you are his biggest fan!!. In future speak for yourself as i am quite capable of speaking for myself thank you. In the article it states we have played 7 of the top teams in the league at present. Out of all those calling for Nigel to be cast aside ,including this great paper, did you honestly think we would be beating these teams in our first few games??. Get real , stick a cork up your arse stop squeaking and see where we are nearer Christmas. Dont tell me it will be too late, the year we went down W B A were bottom and those that can remember, THEY STAYED UP.[/p][/quote]Why such a lairy reply bob the nob ?[/p][/quote]JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TW@T[/p][/quote]You like giving out abuse but cant take it if i call you bob the nob' which suits you just fine doesent it ?[/p][/quote]There was no abuse in my reply telling you not to speak for me. You my friend came back with the abuse SO FICK OFF YOU FICKING ****.[/p][/quote]Read your post again W***ER !!![/p][/quote]OK everyone can make a mistake .................... .................... .................... ..............your ficking father did, big time.[/p][/quote]You are really living up to your name bob the knob , show yourself up by picking fights with your own fans, anyone reading your posts can see that.[/p][/quote]If you read my post correct in the first place, the first paragraph and only the first paragraph was sent in your direction. There was no name calling only asking you not to assume you can speak for me. In Nigel Adkins i see a bright young manager being hounded out of a job by a very few fans. Yes everyone would like to be top of the league , but with the start our club has had against the teams in the top nine places that was never going to happen. We have spent a hell of a lot of money for our club only to have our most expensive player out injured. What we have seen of him so far is proof that when he is back playing we will improve. Surely we as fans should be behind our manager 100% until he has had his best team out there for more than nine games. Lets get to Christmas before we start hounding the guy , he has enough on his plate without The Echo adding to his troubles. Just remmber you started the name calling so take up this olive branch and unite behind the guy. And that goes for everyone. Except the SKUNTS on here, they can just fick off. hedge end bob
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4:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Bingo from Sholing says...

scooter75 wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.
Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.
Was that nob with a "k"?
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.[/p][/quote]Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.[/p][/quote]Was that nob with a "k"? Bingo from Sholing
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4:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking.[/p][/quote]Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results Storm Shadow
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4:40pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
..got my point across methinks
I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.
Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.
We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?
Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans.
In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me.
and me !
If you want to give Nigel a chance to turn things round then get behind him and don't undermine him with constant speculation over his job.

If you want to ensure he fails then carry on as you are.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: ..got my point across methinks[/p][/quote]I doubt it, there are the same few idiots constantly on here who think they own the site and try to bully people.[/p][/quote]Exactly - refer to one of the responses received above. The article and thread is about NA being under pressure as a manager and possibly being sacked and people are complaining that we shouldnt be discussing it - heads in the sand.[/p][/quote]We have discussed it for two weeks now. How long do you want to discuss it for? Are you trying to create the self fulfilling prophecy like with Oxo going to Arsenal?[/p][/quote]Seedhouse, unfortunately its not me creating this prophecy its a run of bad form, the press and then the fans. In which case you could make me stop talking about it, but if we keep losing then you will have to have a go at alot more people than just me.[/p][/quote]and me ![/p][/quote]If you want to give Nigel a chance to turn things round then get behind him and don't undermine him with constant speculation over his job. If you want to ensure he fails then carry on as you are. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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4:44pm Thu 1 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

I only ever post as hedge end bob.

that's my name and that's where i live and have done for many years.
I only ever post as hedge end bob. that's my name and that's where i live and have done for many years. hedge end bob
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4:46pm Thu 1 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
StPete wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?
Too simplistic a view for me
Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question?

There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.
5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season:
- Man Utd
- Man City
- Arsenal
- Spurs
- Everton

1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well:
- West Ham

That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses:
- Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break.

As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result.

Sack the manager? Ridiculous
Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football.
As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.
will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better.
Instant Gratification, 2 words easy to say but not so easy to achieve.
We have climbed 2 leagues in 2 years from the brink and have come back fighting.
It’s a rollercoaster ride but I’ll give you 2 more words ...... ENJOY IT
i am.i know it will be a roller coaster ride but if we finish 17th this season i will be more than happy.i reckon we could get as high as 14th but as i said 17th will suit me fine.COME ON YOU REDS.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: For those who say a manager shoudnt be sacked after 9 games and 7defeats, when would you sack a failing manager?[/p][/quote]Too simplistic a view for me[/p][/quote]Maybe you just dont wish to answer the question? There is always a tipping point, I say we are already there. NC does not.[/p][/quote]5 defeats that most Premiership teams will most likely experience this season: - Man Utd - Man City - Arsenal - Spurs - Everton 1 defeat away from home against a team who have started well: - West Ham That makes 1 game we'd expect to win out of our losses: - Wigan - Dominated the match but had no lucky break. As for the Leeds match, NA has made it clear that he would be playing the second string in this cup. Don't care about this result. Sack the manager? Ridiculous[/p][/quote]Top reply St.Pete, and probably the feelings of most Saints fans and anyone that knows anything about football. As far as I'm concerned we are 4 points off of what I'd thought we'd have, no time to panic, back the team, back the manager.[/p][/quote]will you be happy if after 18 games we have amassed 8 points.the team and NA have to do better.[/p][/quote]Instant Gratification, 2 words easy to say but not so easy to achieve. We have climbed 2 leagues in 2 years from the brink and have come back fighting. It’s a rollercoaster ride but I’ll give you 2 more words ...... ENJOY IT[/p][/quote]i am.i know it will be a roller coaster ride but if we finish 17th this season i will be more than happy.i reckon we could get as high as 14th but as i said 17th will suit me fine.COME ON YOU REDS. CB FRY LIVES
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4:50pm Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Doesn't Simon Carter look like a right jolly chap?
Doesn't Simon Carter look like a right jolly chap? St Retford
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4:54pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results
Yes but over what time period?

What if they had no say in the transfer policy?

What about LM, address that point.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking.[/p][/quote]Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results[/p][/quote]Yes but over what time period? What if they had no say in the transfer policy? What about LM, address that point. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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4:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say.

Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal.

We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager.

You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme.

This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T andysaints007
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4:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

St Retford wrote:
Doesn't Simon Carter look like a right jolly chap?
It takes a fruit to recognise another one.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Simon Carter look like a right jolly chap?[/p][/quote]It takes a fruit to recognise another one. kent141
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4:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all.
I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those?
What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract.
Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch.
The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended.
NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening.
If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered.
The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation
and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is.
and you are a bigger d*ckhead than alicesdad !
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: The Echo is stirring it again which does its reputation as a local, community paper, no good at all. I expect there are Novembers in the past where Saints won 12 points, why not pick one of those? What should happen now is for NC to publicly support NA by extending his Contract. Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to help NA, there is not a single person at SMS with PL experience, and it shows on the pitch. The coach would not be seen as a threat to NA as his contract would already have been extended. NC to risk coming out in to the daylight and speak to the supporters who pay his wages, NC's silence is deafening. If none of these things are done then I can only conclude that NC is either happy with current situation and is firmly in the 78% group of happy clappers, believing NA can do it all on his own, as the song goes -- The Sun will come out Tomorrow ---OR--- NC is with the 22% and NA's days are numbered. The lack of any statement from NC promotes harmful speculation and shows to me just what an uncaring, man and customer manager he really is.[/p][/quote]and you are a bigger d*ckhead than alicesdad ! andysaints007
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4:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

What does NA think?

" I am not naive as it's football and football is a results-driven industry. You've got to win games of football."

20th October 2012

NA is right on that one
What does NA think? " I am not naive as it's football and football is a results-driven industry. You've got to win games of football." 20th October 2012 NA is right on that one Storm Shadow
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5:05pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

Nicole23 wrote:
At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day.
We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down.
There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players.
That's what support means!!
going back to my post half hour back i will need that 20 quid.think i may have a sore head tuesday morning
[quote][p][bold]Nicole23[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!![/p][/quote]going back to my post half hour back i will need that 20 quid.think i may have a sore head tuesday morning up saints
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5:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Snebs says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.
We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.
why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.[/p][/quote]We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.[/p][/quote]why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning. Snebs
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5:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results
Yes but over what time period?

What if they had no say in the transfer policy?

What about LM, address that point.
I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager.

This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of.


Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking.[/p][/quote]Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results[/p][/quote]Yes but over what time period? What if they had no say in the transfer policy? What about LM, address that point.[/p][/quote]I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager. This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of. Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation Storm Shadow
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5:10pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say.

Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal.

We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager.

You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme.

This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T
Oooh powerful stuff. I can understand why you took all day to think up this reply. All finished off with an offensive piece of schoolboy name calling.

You even call Tebourba names, oh dear me how upsetting. I don't always agree with Tebourba, but I wouldnt be as offensive as you were.

One thing is for certain, you couldn't be trusted to write as much as a Christmas card.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T[/p][/quote]Oooh powerful stuff. I can understand why you took all day to think up this reply. All finished off with an offensive piece of schoolboy name calling. You even call Tebourba names, oh dear me how upsetting. I don't always agree with Tebourba, but I wouldnt be as offensive as you were. One thing is for certain, you couldn't be trusted to write as much as a Christmas card. Alicesdad
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5:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Snebs wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.
We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.
why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning.
What if we have Strachan back but we still drop what then? Sack him and appoint Hoddle? What if he doesn't get us back up? Sack him?

I think we've tried the management merry go round. Look at our history, our best years were when we had stable management and our worst were when we kept chopping and changing. Still, might as well make the mistakes of the past again eh?
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.[/p][/quote]We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.[/p][/quote]why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning.[/p][/quote]What if we have Strachan back but we still drop what then? Sack him and appoint Hoddle? What if he doesn't get us back up? Sack him? I think we've tried the management merry go round. Look at our history, our best years were when we had stable management and our worst were when we kept chopping and changing. Still, might as well make the mistakes of the past again eh? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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5:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Allotment man 66 says...

Seedhouse you are dead right.

If these two faced back stabbing so called supports have nothing better to do.
I suggest they go and support some other team like ( Pompey).

I have supported the Saints for over 62 years, things have always come good in the end, and it will this time.
Seedhouse you are dead right. If these two faced back stabbing so called supports have nothing better to do. I suggest they go and support some other team like ( Pompey). I have supported the Saints for over 62 years, things have always come good in the end, and it will this time. Allotment man 66
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5:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.”

Does NA know what he is doing?
We could go on for some time with this, but I for one don't have the appetite for such an exchange.

As I said before, I'll continue to support my club, based on reasonable expectations and sense. You can continue to be unhappy with your lot.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'[/p][/quote]Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.” Does NA know what he is doing?[/p][/quote]We could go on for some time with this, but I for one don't have the appetite for such an exchange. As I said before, I'll continue to support my club, based on reasonable expectations and sense. You can continue to be unhappy with your lot. Ted Rogers
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5:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Scarborosaint says...

To all those people clammering for a top coach, defending is the same whichever division it's in, the players are quicker, more clinical and mistakes are more costly the higher up you get , I am sure messars NA , Crosby and Wilkins are working on making saints more compact and it might be that we need to adopt a different formation home and away but coaches don't need premier league experience , they need to be able to analys and get the best from every one individually and collectively. Ps sir Alex, arsene wenger, David moyes, mourinho , roy hodgson never played premiership football ??
To all those people clammering for a top coach, defending is the same whichever division it's in, the players are quicker, more clinical and mistakes are more costly the higher up you get , I am sure messars NA , Crosby and Wilkins are working on making saints more compact and it might be that we need to adopt a different formation home and away but coaches don't need premier league experience , they need to be able to analys and get the best from every one individually and collectively. Ps sir Alex, arsene wenger, David moyes, mourinho , roy hodgson never played premiership football ?? Scarborosaint
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5:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

lymicherry says...

Tedious space-filler. How many hundred words does Simon Carter need to state the bleedin' obvious?
Tedious space-filler. How many hundred words does Simon Carter need to state the bleedin' obvious? lymicherry
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5:22pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

SaintMax wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past.
If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship?
I actually think you would..
So you revert to name calling because I question your post.
You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him?
Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty.
In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.[/p][/quote]You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past. If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship? I actually think you would..[/p][/quote]So you revert to name calling because I question your post. You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him? Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty. In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot. SaintAsh1964
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5:22pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

this site is turning into the american civil war
this site is turning into the american civil war up saints
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5:29pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past.
If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship?
I actually think you would..
So you revert to name calling because I question your post.
You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him?
Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty.
In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.
Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ?
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.[/p][/quote]You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past. If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship? I actually think you would..[/p][/quote]So you revert to name calling because I question your post. You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him? Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty. In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.[/p][/quote]Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ? kent141
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5:29pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.
Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.
Was that nob with a "k"?
What cracks me up about people on here is that many clearly haven't read the article. If you read it you will see that the Echo is, if anything, suggesting that calls for NA's head are way off the mark. The report is far from stirring things - it is a positive, balanced report based on statistics and facts.

Out of interest Bingo, while slagging Simon Carter's sporting background in relation to his position, ironically you are forgetting that our manager was a physio and Jose Mourinho was an interpreter. This proves you don't have to have great prowess playing the game to manage, have a valid opinion or indeed write about football.

Good balanced reporting Echo, well done, certainly puts things into perspective nicely.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.[/p][/quote]Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.[/p][/quote]Was that nob with a "k"?[/p][/quote]What cracks me up about people on here is that many clearly haven't read the article. If you read it you will see that the Echo is, if anything, suggesting that calls for NA's head are way off the mark. The report is far from stirring things - it is a positive, balanced report based on statistics and facts. Out of interest Bingo, while slagging Simon Carter's sporting background in relation to his position, ironically you are forgetting that our manager was a physio and Jose Mourinho was an interpreter. This proves you don't have to have great prowess playing the game to manage, have a valid opinion or indeed write about football. Good balanced reporting Echo, well done, certainly puts things into perspective nicely. SaintJD
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5:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'?

And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'
Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.”

Does NA know what he is doing?
We could go on for some time with this, but I for one don't have the appetite for such an exchange.

As I said before, I'll continue to support my club, based on reasonable expectations and sense. You can continue to be unhappy with your lot.
Fair enough, we all want saints to win and I hope I am wrong about NA, all I can say based on my experience of events the poor bloke appears out of his depth which given his achievements over the past two years is a great shame.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]Why, suddenly as a Saints fan are you entitled to 'Demand success'? And, if you want use stock market analogies here's one, 'The rich invest in time, the poor invest in money'[/p][/quote]Ill give you another stock market saying ”Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.” Does NA know what he is doing?[/p][/quote]We could go on for some time with this, but I for one don't have the appetite for such an exchange. As I said before, I'll continue to support my club, based on reasonable expectations and sense. You can continue to be unhappy with your lot.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, we all want saints to win and I hope I am wrong about NA, all I can say based on my experience of events the poor bloke appears out of his depth which given his achievements over the past two years is a great shame. Storm Shadow
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5:33pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

kent141 wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past.
If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship?
I actually think you would..
So you revert to name calling because I question your post.
You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him?
Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty.
In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.
Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ?
unless people are happy for Nigel to go down to start all over again which most are on here.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.[/p][/quote]You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past. If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship? I actually think you would..[/p][/quote]So you revert to name calling because I question your post. You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him? Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty. In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.[/p][/quote]Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ?[/p][/quote]unless people are happy for Nigel to go down to start all over again which most are on here. kent141
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5:33pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say.

Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal.

We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager.

You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme.

This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T
My thoughts entirely. Many people clearly didn't get beyond the headline or appreciate well written arguments. It's a positive, balanced story that urges fans to think twice about asking for the manager's head, while stating both sides of the argument. How some people are twisting it into some hate-filled attempt to get the manager sacked is beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should get a job at the Echo and do it for them then if you are so wonderful at Journalism!! Do they now have to run all their articles past you now to get approval? Tw*T[/p][/quote]My thoughts entirely. Many people clearly didn't get beyond the headline or appreciate well written arguments. It's a positive, balanced story that urges fans to think twice about asking for the manager's head, while stating both sides of the argument. How some people are twisting it into some hate-filled attempt to get the manager sacked is beyond me. SaintJD
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5:33pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results
Yes but over what time period?

What if they had no say in the transfer policy?

What about LM, address that point.
I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager.

This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of.


Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation
The 1970's and the current Prem make no difference when discussing recruitment, motivation and training of your management team.

What if NC made the transfer decisions and not NA?
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking.[/p][/quote]Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results[/p][/quote]Yes but over what time period? What if they had no say in the transfer policy? What about LM, address that point.[/p][/quote]I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager. This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of. Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation[/p][/quote]The 1970's and the current Prem make no difference when discussing recruitment, motivation and training of your management team. What if NC made the transfer decisions and not NA? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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5:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

ivornother says...

Confucious wrote:
Good ho! Thought I'd be able to rely on the Echo for an upbeat and heartening start to the day. A relief that because I dreamt last night, that after being shipwrecked, a bunch of us were with Nigel in mid Atlantic on a lifeboat. A plane flew over and dropped a newspaper which was full of stories about starvation, thirst and hypothermia - plus a dreadfull weather forecast. The newspaper headline ran: "Will lost Saints fans eat Nigel?" Anyhow 78% of us decided against it. Nonetheless I guess it'll be another cheery day on here.
Pure class!!!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Good ho! Thought I'd be able to rely on the Echo for an upbeat and heartening start to the day. A relief that because I dreamt last night, that after being shipwrecked, a bunch of us were with Nigel in mid Atlantic on a lifeboat. A plane flew over and dropped a newspaper which was full of stories about starvation, thirst and hypothermia - plus a dreadfull weather forecast. The newspaper headline ran: "Will lost Saints fans eat Nigel?" Anyhow 78% of us decided against it. Nonetheless I guess it'll be another cheery day on here.[/p][/quote]Pure class!!! ivornother
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5:42pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know! saintshorse101
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5:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
More than 4 .
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know![/p][/quote]More than 4 . kent141
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5:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

For all those saying we need a manager with Prem experience how does that work in the long term? If no one new is allowed in what happens when the current bunch age, retire and die off? New blood is key to keeping things going and Nigel hasn't become a poor manager over night. It's still 11 v 11. Personally I think the players aren't good enough and to make a genuine and reasonable decision on Nigels position we would have to know the details of the summer transfer dealings.
For all those saying we need a manager with Prem experience how does that work in the long term? If no one new is allowed in what happens when the current bunch age, retire and die off? New blood is key to keeping things going and Nigel hasn't become a poor manager over night. It's still 11 v 11. Personally I think the players aren't good enough and to make a genuine and reasonable decision on Nigels position we would have to know the details of the summer transfer dealings. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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6:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

PTID1898 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Nicole23 wrote:
At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day.
We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down.
There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players.
That's what support means!!
Agree.
But there are two problems here....
1. You never sing
2. you never stay till the 90th minute.
So how are you going to achieve these two things when you never do the two things you have mentioned dduuuhhhhh!!!!!!!PUP
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nicole23[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!![/p][/quote]Agree.[/p][/quote]But there are two problems here.... 1. You never sing 2. you never stay till the 90th minute. So how are you going to achieve these two things when you never do the two things you have mentioned dduuuhhhhh!!!!!!!PUP PTID1898
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6:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

kent141 wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past.
Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success.
Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that.
Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?
So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so?
In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack!
I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.
You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past.
If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship?
I actually think you would..
So you revert to name calling because I question your post.
You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him?
Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty.
In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.
Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ?
Id love us to be on 8 points, but we only have 4.. i dont want to shock you, and maths isnt my best subject but we are 9 games in with 29 left to play - the current run rate would see us getting 16 points..
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: Im gob smacked at people saying they would prefer to stay with NA and go down, than sack him for someone else. No one man is bigger than our club, I dont care how good they have been in the past. Something fundamental has to change, and the happy clappers are getting quieter by the day shouting down people who demand success. Im not saying that means Nigel has to go now, as I still believe he has a month or so to prove himself, but if we are sat in the middle of November with two more losses under our belt something will change - NC will ensure that. Would NC leave his money in shares that were dropping like a stone that once looked great, and not try to change his fortune?[/p][/quote]So how many managers would we get through in a season using your system of sacking him if he has a bad run of 7 in a 100 games or so? In a season of 40 odd games, no wins in 4ish means the sack! I'm gob smacked at such a stupid post.[/p][/quote]You idiot, where does it say in my post that I want to sick him? I stated that I would not stick with a Manager who took us down just because they had done a good job in the past. If Rickie didnt score for the whole season would you keep slapping him on the back and putting him up front because he was leading scorer in the Championship? I actually think you would..[/p][/quote]So you revert to name calling because I question your post. You clearly say in your post that he has a month or so to prove himself, that something fundamental has to change, where does it say in your post that you back him? Typical short sighted, I bet that if the team had started off with a dozen wins and a bigger club came calling and he jumped ship, you would be the fist to slag the bloke off for leaving, questioning his loyalty. In my view and this is what I'm hoping for, is that Saints are building for the future, long term future, not this season, not next season, but for the next 20 seasons, so how many points do you think we should have then oh wise one? if it's any more than 8 in total it's you thats the idiot.[/p][/quote]Building for the future is to improve not to get relegated to start all over again ?[/p][/quote]Id love us to be on 8 points, but we only have 4.. i dont want to shock you, and maths isnt my best subject but we are 9 games in with 29 left to play - the current run rate would see us getting 16 points.. SaintMax
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6:07pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Scarborosaint says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
Not one of the moaners or groaners am just grateful we are in the premiership but thought we might have 7 or 8 points but if we finish one point or one goal above 18th won't care how many points we get , think we are better than reading, qpr, Aston villa, Norwich , swansea and Wigan but proof is in the pudding
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know![/p][/quote]Not one of the moaners or groaners am just grateful we are in the premiership but thought we might have 7 or 8 points but if we finish one point or one goal above 18th won't care how many points we get , think we are better than reading, qpr, Aston villa, Norwich , swansea and Wigan but proof is in the pudding Scarborosaint
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6:12pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ? slugger
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6:26pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Nicole23 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Nicole23 wrote: At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!!
Agree.
But there are two problems here.... 1. You never sing 2. you never stay till the 90th minute. So how are you going to achieve these two things when you never do the two things you have mentioned dduuuhhhhh!!!!!!!PUP
Shut it you 6 fingered, matalan shell suit wearing,sister fiddling retard. WHAT SORT OF FANS SING A SONG WITH WORDS LIKE THIS

"Play up, Pompey,
Just one more goal;

Make tracks! What ho!

Hallo! Hallo!

Bong!"

In other words complete illiterate nonsense you muppet.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nicole23[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day who really cares, up or down, winning or losing. I would still rather be a Saint than a filthy, theiving, inbred skate any day. We have the best team and fans on the south coast lets just enjoy the ride and sing our hearts out until the 90th minute even if we are 10-0 down. There is plenty of time left, everyone needs to get behind the manager and the players. That's what support means!![/p][/quote]Agree.[/p][/quote]But there are two problems here.... 1. You never sing 2. you never stay till the 90th minute. So how are you going to achieve these two things when you never do the two things you have mentioned dduuuhhhhh!!!!!!!PUP[/p][/quote]Shut it you 6 fingered, matalan shell suit wearing,sister fiddling retard. WHAT SORT OF FANS SING A SONG WITH WORDS LIKE THIS "Play up, Pompey, Just one more goal; Make tracks! What ho! Hallo! Hallo! Bong!" In other words complete illiterate nonsense you muppet. Nicole23
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6:34pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saint phil says...

I can take getting beat but the first half was gutless, tell the players the game is 90 minutes long. Not just the 45 of their choice in the second half. We are just papering over the cracks of the first half.
I can take getting beat but the first half was gutless, tell the players the game is 90 minutes long. Not just the 45 of their choice in the second half. We are just papering over the cracks of the first half. saint phil
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6:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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6:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

There's nowt like fickle fans. We certainly seem to have picked a few up this season.
No guts for the challenge...shame on them.
As for the skates on here...a tough spell for us is the only straw they have left to cling on to.
I'm in it for the long term. COYR
There's nowt like fickle fans. We certainly seem to have picked a few up this season. No guts for the challenge...shame on them. As for the skates on here...a tough spell for us is the only straw they have left to cling on to. I'm in it for the long term. COYR Baddesley Bill
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6:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Nicole23 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Im sure Saville and Glitter were both skates.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Im sure Saville and Glitter were both skates. Nicole23
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6:44pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Ha Ha Ha.....Ha , The Stains are having a civil war ....luv it ....PUP
Ha Ha Ha.....Ha , The Stains are having a civil war ....luv it ....PUP Force14
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6:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.
Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”
I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.
Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.
Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.
Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.
You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion'

So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has.
So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.
Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement.

NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager.

So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.
You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc.

You are too short term in your thinking.
Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results
Yes but over what time period?

What if they had no say in the transfer policy?

What about LM, address that point.
I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager.

This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of.


Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation
The 1970's and the current Prem make no difference when discussing recruitment, motivation and training of your management team.

What if NC made the transfer decisions and not NA?
Its the money thats the problem, how many teams get relegated and go into freefall ( I fear in our case that future income has already been spent to buy the summers transfers).

For me the manager he is given a budget to operate within and then should identify the transfer targets. Someone else do the business of recruitment.

No manager should have players forced on him, by a higher authority who then wash their hands if it goes wrong.

If as you suggest in your earlier post the manager had little or no say, then that is wrong. NC is unlikely to sack himself because of those decisions.

May be thats the problem, after spending that £35m by the "board" we now find ourselves in the position we are in. I presume NA was happy with the situation in the summer.

If that is NC's style then no credible manager would accept the position if it became available, which does not bode well short medium or long term
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: @ Storm Shadow There are often many opinions that are based on fact. These opinions are more than often subjective based on the individual perception of these facts. My opinion is based on facts surrounding the quality of opposition in our opening games and measuring the quality of opposition that the teams surrounding us in the league have faced in the same period. My conclusion (opinion) is that we have a team and a manager that are both very well equipped to survive in this great league. Ergo I cannot agree with you that we have a failing manager. I'm sorry if this is not the answer that you really want. I'm sure you want everyone to climb aboard with you and the Echo and join in with this continued short-sighted, deafeatist and pessimistic nonsense. I choose to remain positive, support my team, support my manager and look forward to Southampton Football Club achieving the plans set out by the Chairman when we were rescued from GENUINE trouble.[/p][/quote]Ted never for one minute did I expect you to agree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please inform me how you would quantify failure in a football league manager. and something I posted yesterday for you to mull over Storm Shadow says... 3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12 Saints chairman Nicola Cortese : "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division." .....16 April 2010”[/p][/quote]I think win % is a good barometer to quantify failure in a football manager. So here we are: Alex Ferguson 58% Arsene Wenger 57% Nigel Adkins 57% David Moyes 44% Harry Redknapp 40% Michael Appleton 26% Anyone of the top three will do me fine for managing our great and honest club.[/p][/quote]Interesting, now recalculate using only Premiership data and see if the results are the same.[/p][/quote]Only if you recalculate using Championship and League 1 data, see stupid it works both ways.[/p][/quote]Well as Wenger, Ferguson have never managed a team in the lower leagues, Moyes (hasnt since March 2002) Redknapp (since December 2005) what would be the point of using such data. It has no meaningful input into the of NA, but then again I guess your use to making meaningless comments on the basis of your last one. Just the same for NA using data collected from his time at Bagnor in the 1990's has no revelence at all. But if it makes you happy go ahead and calculate, I wait with with bated breath for your results.[/p][/quote]You were presented with a 'simple' answer to your question using definitive statistical fact. Alas, this 'simple' answer is not the one you wanted to hear, so you then start asking for a reformation of the facts in order to back up your 'opinion' So in real terms, you should agree that as a football manager Nigel Adkins, far from being a failure, is more likely one of the best this country has. So instead of clogging up a thread with your nonsense go and support your own club before you start having to go to away matches at Gang Warily.[/p][/quote]Prehaps if you collated the correct figures regarding win percentages you may have a valid point, but your calculations are incorrect much the same as your arguement. NA is failing, I know it you know it and the rest of board know it. It has to be turned around, I dont think he is capable of doing it and the longer we wait the more difficult the job for the next manager. So someone doesnt agree with you, they cant be a saints fan. That is a poor case for proving your point, which suggets you are runnings out of excuses.[/p][/quote]You haven't addressed the point made several times that our most successful manager, Lawrie Mac, took a team 5th in the top flight and relegated them. Only later did the success come starting in 76. If it was your decision it sounds like he would have been sacked and we would not have won the cup, had 5 England captains on the pitch, not gone to the league cup final, finished second in the league, had european tours etc. You are too short term in your thinking.[/p][/quote]Not a short term thinker, just a pragmatic realist who believes in judging managers by results[/p][/quote]Yes but over what time period? What if they had no say in the transfer policy? What about LM, address that point.[/p][/quote]I think after spendng £35m, 25% of the way through a season is long enough to make a reasonable decision on the position of the manager. This is Premier League, a very tough and unforegiving league. Difficult to get into and very easy to be kicked out of. Regards LM (isnt hindsight a wonderful gift) he would have been sacked and as its highly subjective whose to say his replacement would have achieved the same otr greatre success. If's, but's and may be's of the 1970's are not going help in this situation[/p][/quote]The 1970's and the current Prem make no difference when discussing recruitment, motivation and training of your management team. What if NC made the transfer decisions and not NA?[/p][/quote]Its the money thats the problem, how many teams get relegated and go into freefall ( I fear in our case that future income has already been spent to buy the summers transfers). For me the manager he is given a budget to operate within and then should identify the transfer targets. Someone else do the business of recruitment. No manager should have players forced on him, by a higher authority who then wash their hands if it goes wrong. If as you suggest in your earlier post the manager had little or no say, then that is wrong. NC is unlikely to sack himself because of those decisions. May be thats the problem, after spending that £35m by the "board" we now find ourselves in the position we are in. I presume NA was happy with the situation in the summer. If that is NC's style then no credible manager would accept the position if it became available, which does not bode well short medium or long term Storm Shadow
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6:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not Force14
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6:49pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Nicole23 says...

I do love bonfire night.


Build a bonfire,
Build a bonfire,
Stick Pompey on the top,
Tottenham Hotspur in the middle
And then burn the f***ing lot!!
I do love bonfire night. Build a bonfire, Build a bonfire, Stick Pompey on the top, Tottenham Hotspur in the middle And then burn the f***ing lot!! Nicole23
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6:54pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy.

If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what?
Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy. If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what? Storm Shadow
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6:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

kent141 wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
More than 4 .
again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers!
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know![/p][/quote]More than 4 .[/p][/quote]again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers! saintshorse101
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6:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP Force14
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6:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

John Gillham says...

Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million. John Gillham
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6:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy.

If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what?
Must recite poetry and have a comical suntan and keep saying " you have to win football matches "
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy. If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what?[/p][/quote]Must recite poetry and have a comical suntan and keep saying " you have to win football matches " Force14
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7:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Snebs says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Snebs wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.
We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.
why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning.
What if we have Strachan back but we still drop what then? Sack him and appoint Hoddle? What if he doesn't get us back up? Sack him? I think we've tried the management merry go round. Look at our history, our best years were when we had stable management and our worst were when we kept chopping and changing. Still, might as well make the mistakes of the past again eh?
The reason for Strachan would be his experience particularly getting teams to play above their levels. Had it not been for the Chairman at the time we would have kept Strachan and still enjoying unbroken Prem status. Hoddle kept us in the mix when he was our Manager using average players and going about each game tactically to win points. Yes we could still go down especially with the current squad, but do you think NA would be able to persuade players to join us if we dont improve quickly? I, like most fans here want us to win the November games and put all this behind us. Sadly I don't think we will but am very willing to be proved wrong. I have been a Saints fan through everything for 56 years and will be to my last dying breath. I hate to see my team humiliated and that is what is happening at the moment. I don't mind losing if we really tried our best but this is tragically not any where near good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: Thought the observations made by the echo were good and fair. The SFC is a business and when a business starts to fail then things need to change, simple as that. The team is not good enough for the EPL, that is very clear. Without the fan base and folks turning up for games then your business will also fail. To the fans that went all the way up to Leeds you should ask for compensation as the performance you watched was a disgrace. We need an experienced Manager with the right support to stop the flood of goals against and with enough influence and friends in the business to attract the type of players we need to survive and we all know who that is.[/p][/quote]We have already seen what droopy chops did t our club and then went straight back to the SKUNTS. Suggest you join them.[/p][/quote]why all these references to Pompy? get over it guys I was going to games at the dell and Fratton Park when most of you were'nt even an itch in your Dad's scrotums. Why does it matter? Pompy are in the same place as we were a few years ago. If they disapeared who would you curse out? not sure any of you would have the intellect to even consider finding an alternative. So Harry went to Pompy it was just another job, and frankly if he could come and rescue us from the drop I would welcome him with open arms. Same with Glenn Hoddle, now there is a very clever tactician who would ensure our safety. Yes NA has done us proud but the same as the players that didnt make the grade so it seems the Manager and coaching staff don't, so move on. As much as I don't support Pompey I would hate to see them disapear. One of the best Managers we ever had was Gordon Strachan and it would be great to see him back as well. So forget Pompy they won't be bothering us for a long while let's get out team sorted and back to winning.[/p][/quote]What if we have Strachan back but we still drop what then? Sack him and appoint Hoddle? What if he doesn't get us back up? Sack him? I think we've tried the management merry go round. Look at our history, our best years were when we had stable management and our worst were when we kept chopping and changing. Still, might as well make the mistakes of the past again eh?[/p][/quote]The reason for Strachan would be his experience particularly getting teams to play above their levels. Had it not been for the Chairman at the time we would have kept Strachan and still enjoying unbroken Prem status. Hoddle kept us in the mix when he was our Manager using average players and going about each game tactically to win points. Yes we could still go down especially with the current squad, but do you think NA would be able to persuade players to join us if we dont improve quickly? I, like most fans here want us to win the November games and put all this behind us. Sadly I don't think we will but am very willing to be proved wrong. I have been a Saints fan through everything for 56 years and will be to my last dying breath. I hate to see my team humiliated and that is what is happening at the moment. I don't mind losing if we really tried our best but this is tragically not any where near good enough. Snebs
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7:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Force14 wrote:
Ha Ha Ha.....Ha , The Stains are having a civil war ....luv it ....PUP
If you want to see civil war go to The News, there's been a civil war for a year now.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Ha Ha Ha.....Ha , The Stains are having a civil war ....luv it ....PUP[/p][/quote]If you want to see civil war go to The News, there's been a civil war for a year now. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
[quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough. Storm Shadow
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7:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ? slugger
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7:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy.

If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what?
Must recite poetry and have a comical suntan and keep saying " you have to win football matches "
Sounds like Rusty the Dancing Chimp apart from the comical suntan....Give Sadkins a 10 year contract now...
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: Successful Pemiership managers have strong personalities with independant thought and control of the transfer policy. If as Seedhouse suggests NC would not want these qualities in a Saints manager, then what?[/p][/quote]Must recite poetry and have a comical suntan and keep saying " you have to win football matches "[/p][/quote]Sounds like Rusty the Dancing Chimp apart from the comical suntan....Give Sadkins a 10 year contract now... Force14
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7:06pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
way way off , nice try .
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]way way off , nice try . slugger
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7:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

Only Man Utd and Chelsea spent more than us.
Only Man Utd and Chelsea spent more than us. Storm Shadow
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7:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Storm Shadow says...

slugger wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
way way off , nice try .
http://www.transferm
arkt.co.uk/en/statis
tiken/wettbewerbe/tr
ansfers.html
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]way way off , nice try .[/p][/quote]http://www.transferm arkt.co.uk/en/statis tiken/wettbewerbe/tr ansfers.html Storm Shadow
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7:09pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
What a waste of money....not one player who could get in Pompeys team on ability, all Div 2 players....luv it.
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]What a waste of money....not one player who could get in Pompeys team on ability, all Div 2 players....luv it. Force14
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7:10pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:14pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

Storm Shadow wrote:
slugger wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
way way off , nice try .
http://www.transferm

arkt.co.uk/en/statis

tiken/wettbewerbe/tr

ansfers.html
stand corrected , although i dont't think yoshida , gazaniga or clyne were that much ...... they were mainly undisclosed as i remember .
[quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]way way off , nice try .[/p][/quote]http://www.transferm arkt.co.uk/en/statis tiken/wettbewerbe/tr ansfers.html[/p][/quote]stand corrected , although i dont't think yoshida , gazaniga or clyne were that much ...... they were mainly undisclosed as i remember . slugger
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7:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself.... Force14
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7:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself.... Force14
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7:17pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
kent141 wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
More than 4 .
again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers!
Man U game should have been at least drawn, we were caught cold by Wigan, at least a draw there so and if we had not played so poorly in the first half v spurs, again we could have drawn. I'd take 7 points, and be three places higher.
Simple, even for you.. Though you are simply happy just clapping and slapping everyone on the back right?
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know![/p][/quote]More than 4 .[/p][/quote]again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers![/p][/quote]Man U game should have been at least drawn, we were caught cold by Wigan, at least a draw there so and if we had not played so poorly in the first half v spurs, again we could have drawn. I'd take 7 points, and be three places higher. Simple, even for you.. Though you are simply happy just clapping and slapping everyone on the back right? SaintMax
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7:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....[/p][/quote]You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?[/p][/quote]slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado up saints
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7:20pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Force14 wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
What a waste of money....not one player who could get in Pompeys team on ability, all Div 2 players....luv it.
Ramirez could clean the Fratton end bogs if he was fit i suppose....
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]What a waste of money....not one player who could get in Pompeys team on ability, all Div 2 players....luv it.[/p][/quote]Ramirez could clean the Fratton end bogs if he was fit i suppose.... Force14
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7:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado
it's history , can't be bothered .
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?[/p][/quote]slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado[/p][/quote]it's history , can't be bothered . slugger
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7:24pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

slugger wrote:
up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado
it's history , can't be bothered .
at least you replied
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?[/p][/quote]slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado[/p][/quote]it's history , can't be bothered .[/p][/quote]at least you replied up saints
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7:28pm Thu 1 Nov 12

More Glory says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh More Glory
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7:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
[quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed .... Force14
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7:33pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado
it's history , can't be bothered .
at least you replied
couldn't resist so i had a peek ......... iv'e no problem with genuine disgruntled saints fans (i know a few) , it's the wums that i'm after .
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?[/p][/quote]slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado[/p][/quote]it's history , can't be bothered .[/p][/quote]at least you replied[/p][/quote]couldn't resist so i had a peek ......... iv'e no problem with genuine disgruntled saints fans (i know a few) , it's the wums that i'm after . slugger
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7:35pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.
You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....[/p][/quote]You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.[/p][/quote]You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........ Force14
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7:36pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though. slugger
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7:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

up saints says...

slugger wrote:
up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
up saints wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?
Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP
the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?
slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado
it's history , can't be bothered .
at least you replied
couldn't resist so i had a peek ......... iv'e no problem with genuine disgruntled saints fans (i know a few) , it's the wums that i'm after .
thankyou think most agree here 3 points monday would help the mood
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: that stench is still here then ........... since when was a supporter a "happy clapper" ?[/p][/quote]Only if your a Stain.....Plastic happy clapping for 65 minutes then head for the exits moaning about Sadkins....PUP[/p][/quote]the stench is getting stronger , how do you live with yourself ?[/p][/quote]slugger read my post under adkins back under pressure posted at 10.46 am wednesday just for you and dado[/p][/quote]it's history , can't be bothered .[/p][/quote]at least you replied[/p][/quote]couldn't resist so i had a peek ......... iv'e no problem with genuine disgruntled saints fans (i know a few) , it's the wums that i'm after .[/p][/quote]thankyou think most agree here 3 points monday would help the mood up saints
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7:40pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt. Force14
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7:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
mummy check that one for you ?
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]mummy check that one for you ? slugger
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7:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here. angus mc coatup
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7:51pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles.... Force14
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7:53pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.
You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........
I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o)
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....[/p][/quote]You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.[/p][/quote]You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........[/p][/quote]I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o) Baddesley Bill
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7:55pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

ta ta girls .........PUP
ta ta girls .........PUP Force14
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7:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

bedtime already 14 ?
bedtime already 14 ? slugger
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7:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP Force14
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8:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

SaintMax wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
kent141 wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know!
More than 4 .
again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers!
Man U game should have been at least drawn, we were caught cold by Wigan, at least a draw there so and if we had not played so poorly in the first half v spurs, again we could have drawn. I'd take 7 points, and be three places higher. Simple, even for you.. Though you are simply happy just clapping and slapping everyone on the back right?
so 3pts from where you thought we should be? to be fair i would have said 3-4pts more than now, different games though. i never for 1 min thought preseason that we would get anything from the manure or spuds games, though during the games i did think we might just get a result. again wigan i thought should have been a draw as with hoof away and fulham. the problem i have is that for being 3-4pts away, from what most would accept as a good tally from the games played, some want NA out. we have played poorly in some games but have been great in others. NA is an excellent manager and if we lose him because of a tough start to a prem season then we will regret it! as others have said, if we finished 8th last year and were in 10th in the championship this year people would not be calling for his head!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: can all you moaners and groaners tell me where you thought we would be in the league at this point, and how many points you thought we would have? i really would love to know![/p][/quote]More than 4 .[/p][/quote]again 141 you are unable to answer a simple question! so i ask again. if "more than 4" how many? and which games would we have got the points from? simple questions, simple answers![/p][/quote]Man U game should have been at least drawn, we were caught cold by Wigan, at least a draw there so and if we had not played so poorly in the first half v spurs, again we could have drawn. I'd take 7 points, and be three places higher. Simple, even for you.. Though you are simply happy just clapping and slapping everyone on the back right?[/p][/quote]so 3pts from where you thought we should be? to be fair i would have said 3-4pts more than now, different games though. i never for 1 min thought preseason that we would get anything from the manure or spuds games, though during the games i did think we might just get a result. again wigan i thought should have been a draw as with hoof away and fulham. the problem i have is that for being 3-4pts away, from what most would accept as a good tally from the games played, some want NA out. we have played poorly in some games but have been great in others. NA is an excellent manager and if we lose him because of a tough start to a prem season then we will regret it! as others have said, if we finished 8th last year and were in 10th in the championship this year people would not be calling for his head! saintshorse101
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8:07pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Force14 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.
You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........
I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o)
Ha ha Ha .......reel it in ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....[/p][/quote]You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.[/p][/quote]You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........[/p][/quote]I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o)[/p][/quote]Ha ha Ha .......reel it in ;0) Force14
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8:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Skating on thin ice says...

What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said.
What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said. Skating on thin ice
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8:12pm Thu 1 Nov 12

ghk230473 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said.
Fcuk off to the news site, it's got nowt to do with you
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said.[/p][/quote]Fcuk off to the news site, it's got nowt to do with you ghk230473
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8:16pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up !
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up ! kent141
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8:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up !
and he doesn't have a beard !
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up ![/p][/quote]and he doesn't have a beard ! slugger
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8:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said.
hows life in the relegation zone of L1 then? you lot must have sore necks looking all the way up the leagues at us! jealousy is such an ugly trait and an ugly emotion!
what really makes me laugh is the fact that you care about us! i dont care who you have played and lossed to. i do care though that you bestest best best bestest best fans in the world (tm) cant raise the money needed to save your club, even with a loan from the council, and TB knows it!
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: What really makes me laugh is the people on here who say that it doesn't matter that you are stuck in the relegation zone at this stage of the season because so many of your defeats have been against teams at the top of the league. Aren't you muddling cause and effect here? One of the reasons these teams are in the top half of the table in this early stage is that they have all had an easy game against you with 3 points gifted. Look at it the other way round. Who are the only team you have beaten so far? Aston Villa, and they are a team who are suffering their worst start to a season in 25 years. Enough said.[/p][/quote]hows life in the relegation zone of L1 then? you lot must have sore necks looking all the way up the leagues at us! jealousy is such an ugly trait and an ugly emotion! what really makes me laugh is the fact that you care about us! i dont care who you have played and lossed to. i do care though that you bestest best best bestest best fans in the world (tm) cant raise the money needed to save your club, even with a loan from the council, and TB knows it! saintshorse101
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8:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Force14 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not
I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that.

Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away.

You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.
Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....
You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.
You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........
I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o)
Ha ha Ha .......reel it in ;0)
Dont let a wum wind you up and make you look silly Bill , let him have it mate
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Cant sell your West Brom tickets then, thats a surprise........not[/p][/quote]I love away games but I pick the ones that aren't televised. I know as a thick skunt you won't get the logic of that. Silly to try and argue over number of away fans, we trounce you home and away. You will now give it oh our fans are more passionate than yours. Both clubs have a hard core passionate support BUT we also have the families, corporate, jcl's etc which is why our club is financially viable and yours isn't. Your thugs create the passion but keep decent people away which is why you've had so many dodgy owners, they knew the fans had no morals and wouldn't care they were thieves and gun runners. That's why your demise IS the fault of the fans.[/p][/quote]Total guff from a total idiot, but keep saying it and even you will believe it yourself....[/p][/quote]You and I both know it's the truth. It's the fundamental difference between our two clubs. Decency.[/p][/quote]You do try hard but lets face it...you are a total pratt who has spent about 50000 hours boring everyone rigid on the news site........[/p][/quote]I'd say you've got one on there Seed...reel it in! :o)[/p][/quote]Ha ha Ha .......reel it in ;0)[/p][/quote]Dont let a wum wind you up and make you look silly Bill , let him have it mate kent141
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8:22pm Thu 1 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up !
fcuk me that's rich, you telling someone else to grow up.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up ![/p][/quote]fcuk me that's rich, you telling someone else to grow up. angus mc coatup
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8:22pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up !
141, anytime you want to answer my question!
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]If he has a weight problem its nothing to laugh at, grow up ![/p][/quote]141, anytime you want to answer my question! saintshorse101
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8:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Bingo from Sholing says...

SaintJD wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.
Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.
Was that nob with a "k"?
What cracks me up about people on here is that many clearly haven't read the article. If you read it you will see that the Echo is, if anything, suggesting that calls for NA's head are way off the mark. The report is far from stirring things - it is a positive, balanced report based on statistics and facts.

Out of interest Bingo, while slagging Simon Carter's sporting background in relation to his position, ironically you are forgetting that our manager was a physio and Jose Mourinho was an interpreter. This proves you don't have to have great prowess playing the game to manage, have a valid opinion or indeed write about football.

Good balanced reporting Echo, well done, certainly puts things into perspective nicely.
I cannot agree that Simon Carter's article is balanced. The Echo has chosen to compare the present time with times in Saints' history which were extremely troubled. A more positive article would have compared Saints predicament to the many times in or history when we have successfully overcome problems. The Echo's constant negativity towards SFC is undeniable and gratuitous. Moreover, Carter's article centres on the personnel aspect of the problem as he sees it. It fails to address the technical aspects of the game, as indeed you do too. The article gives no indication that Carter has ever played any game let alone football. Just for your interest Adkins of course was a competent and enthusiastic goalkeeper. Jose Mourinho was a player too. Both men may have had other skills as well but I do not think that mentioning the fact adds to your point. The Echo reporting of SFC matters, and Carter's slant in particular reminds me of 3rd form debating, full of irrelevance and an inability to appreciate the futility of drab communications. Your subsequent contribution this evening is clearly based on sympathy, plain and simple.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Simon Carter calls himself a sports editor. So rather than involving himself with personnel matters, why doesn't he impress us all with his knowledge of playing the game by telling us where he thinks Saints are going wrong technically. Alternatively, should he have alternative ambitions as a business editor, perhaps he would like to give his thoughts on why the Echo's readership is in decline. Please let Nigel Atkins and SFC to get on with developing the team without writing childish rubbish in the Echo. Atkins is a man of proven achievement and he is here to stay, so once again Simon Carter has no story.[/p][/quote]Thats the 3rd post today calling Adkins Atkins, 3 fans who dont even know his name or the same person using 3 ids like hedge end nob does.[/p][/quote]Was that nob with a "k"?[/p][/quote]What cracks me up about people on here is that many clearly haven't read the article. If you read it you will see that the Echo is, if anything, suggesting that calls for NA's head are way off the mark. The report is far from stirring things - it is a positive, balanced report based on statistics and facts. Out of interest Bingo, while slagging Simon Carter's sporting background in relation to his position, ironically you are forgetting that our manager was a physio and Jose Mourinho was an interpreter. This proves you don't have to have great prowess playing the game to manage, have a valid opinion or indeed write about football. Good balanced reporting Echo, well done, certainly puts things into perspective nicely.[/p][/quote]I cannot agree that Simon Carter's article is balanced. The Echo has chosen to compare the present time with times in Saints' history which were extremely troubled. A more positive article would have compared Saints predicament to the many times in or history when we have successfully overcome problems. The Echo's constant negativity towards SFC is undeniable and gratuitous. Moreover, Carter's article centres on the personnel aspect of the problem as he sees it. It fails to address the technical aspects of the game, as indeed you do too. The article gives no indication that Carter has ever played any game let alone football. Just for your interest Adkins of course was a competent and enthusiastic goalkeeper. Jose Mourinho was a player too. Both men may have had other skills as well but I do not think that mentioning the fact adds to your point. The Echo reporting of SFC matters, and Carter's slant in particular reminds me of 3rd form debating, full of irrelevance and an inability to appreciate the futility of drab communications. Your subsequent contribution this evening is clearly based on sympathy, plain and simple. Bingo from Sholing
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8:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force...... kent141
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8:38pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots.
Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots. scooter75
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8:42pm Thu 1 Nov 12

ghk230473 says...

scooter75 wrote:
Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots.
Well you can thank the 3 monkies for that, they went on the news site, now ours had been turned into a fish farm.

Bill, slug, seedless take your mates back to the news site to continue your flirting!
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots.[/p][/quote]Well you can thank the 3 monkies for that, they went on the news site, now ours had been turned into a fish farm. Bill, slug, seedless take your mates back to the news site to continue your flirting! ghk230473
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8:46pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

ghk230473 wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots.
Well you can thank the 3 monkies for that, they went on the news site, now ours had been turned into a fish farm.

Bill, slug, seedless take your mates back to the news site to continue your flirting!
haven't been on the news site for over 2 months , but then you'd know that wouldn't you .
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Is this still a football forum tonight or has it been taken over by idiots.[/p][/quote]Well you can thank the 3 monkies for that, they went on the news site, now ours had been turned into a fish farm. Bill, slug, seedless take your mates back to the news site to continue your flirting![/p][/quote]haven't been on the news site for over 2 months , but then you'd know that wouldn't you . slugger
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8:47pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o) Baddesley Bill
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8:51pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
come on 141 why wont you answer a simple question? i am not calling you names and am not trying to wind you up! you said "more than 4 pts", i just want to know how many points and from which games?
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]come on 141 why wont you answer a simple question? i am not calling you names and am not trying to wind you up! you said "more than 4 pts", i just want to know how many points and from which games? saintshorse101
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9:05pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really. scooter75
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9:21pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

scooter75 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
What exactly is a "top boy"...is this a poopey term for the guy with the smallest brain vs knuckle size comparison?.
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.[/p][/quote]What exactly is a "top boy"...is this a poopey term for the guy with the smallest brain vs knuckle size comparison?. Baddesley Bill
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9:28pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

scooter75 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.[/p][/quote]could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me . slugger
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9:39pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

slugger wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .
No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke .
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.[/p][/quote]could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .[/p][/quote]No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke . scooter75
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9:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

scooter75 wrote:
slugger wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .
No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke .
i used to have a ferret called roger ............ that's true that is .
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.[/p][/quote]could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .[/p][/quote]No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke .[/p][/quote]i used to have a ferret called roger ............ that's true that is . slugger
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9:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

scooter75 wrote:
slugger wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
Force14 wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Force14 wrote:
slugger wrote:
Force14 wrote:
More Glory wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.
Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh
Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....
he can spell though.
Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.
says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.
let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....
Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP
Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......
Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)
I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.
could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .
No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke .
i used to have a ferret called roger ............ that's true that is .
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Glory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Was Jimmy Savile a skate? He wore a shell suit. And he fiddled. And he lied. Had to be.[/p][/quote]Well. You want to be taken seriously, and then you come up with stuff like this. mmh[/p][/quote]Seed isent too bright if you hadent noticed ....[/p][/quote]he can spell though.[/p][/quote]Says another pratt who bores everyone on the news.....But has got a amusing name at least which matches his face no doubt.[/p][/quote]says the bell end thats boring the sh!t out of everyone on here.[/p][/quote]let me guess you you are on the news site.....hmmmmmm, nope no one that stupid. Wheel out baddersly bill, but fat bearded lump who drinks rel ale and gets stuck in turnstiles....[/p][/quote]Oh look.....i was right ....Luv it...PUP[/p][/quote]Leave old chunky Bill alone you thug, he has some tough mates, slugger and the top boy Northam Norman so watch your step Force......[/p][/quote]Firstly, who's Norman. Secondly, how did i suddenly become a real ale addict...and thirdly...wtf did i get a beard from so sudden. Ffs, I.ll be labelled as overweight next. I blame this on Echo reporting!!! :o)[/p][/quote]I think he may be talking about the old top boy Norman, had a beer with him a few weeks ago and to be honest he has lost the plot and given up football and his only interest is his ferrets now..sad really.[/p][/quote]could be the same fella , northam norman comes from millbrook , he told me .[/p][/quote]No wrong bloke, although his brother lives in millbrook, i know Norms cousin Kev who has a ferett as well,nice bloke .[/p][/quote]i used to have a ferret called roger ............ that's true that is . slugger
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9:51pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.
Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now. scooter75
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

scooter75 wrote:
Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.
i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird !
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.[/p][/quote]i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird ! slugger
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10:03pm Thu 1 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

slugger wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.
i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird !
Your lucky , Doorman Normans bird is a he/she from Bangkok but we dont laugh at him...only behind his back of course. Small world, im off for a few pints now !!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.[/p][/quote]i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird ![/p][/quote]Your lucky , Doorman Normans bird is a he/she from Bangkok but we dont laugh at him...only behind his back of course. Small world, im off for a few pints now !! scooter75
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10:06pm Thu 1 Nov 12

TEBOURBA says...

At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. TEBOURBA
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10:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

scooter75 wrote:
slugger wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.
i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird !
Your lucky , Doorman Normans bird is a he/she from Bangkok but we dont laugh at him...only behind his back of course. Small world, im off for a few pints now !!
different doorman methinks , nobody would laugh at the one i'm talking about (even behind his back) ............ enjoy .
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Norms cousin Kev called his ferett big bird after Norms girlfriend bigbird, got confusing when i went to a party at kevs and he said give bigbird a stroke which i did for a hour or so and it went pearshaped when his brother Norman the boxer who gets confused with Norman the doorman came in and went mental and put me in hospital. But we all laugh about it now.[/p][/quote]i also know norman the doorman , i fitted his boiler but never dared feel his bird ![/p][/quote]Your lucky , Doorman Normans bird is a he/she from Bangkok but we dont laugh at him...only behind his back of course. Small world, im off for a few pints now !![/p][/quote]different doorman methinks , nobody would laugh at the one i'm talking about (even behind his back) ............ enjoy . slugger
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10:16pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
fact 5 and cure 5 are a bit odd , are you saying "to do nothing til jan is not an option" , followed by "fully review the squad in jan" ............. so what option do we have but to wait til jan ?
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]fact 5 and cure 5 are a bit odd , are you saying "to do nothing til jan is not an option" , followed by "fully review the squad in jan" ............. so what option do we have but to wait til jan ? slugger
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10:16pm Thu 1 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
poopeysh!tfuckskunt
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]poopeysh!tfuckskunt angus mc coatup
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10:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

St Retford says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Cool. We'll see to it that all of that gets actioned. Leave it with us.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]Cool. We'll see to it that all of that gets actioned. Leave it with us. St Retford
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10:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
poopeysh!tfuckskunt
oh ! I forgot.

you read It here first.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]poopeysh!tfuckskunt[/p][/quote]oh ! I forgot. you read It here first. angus mc coatup
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10:22pm Thu 1 Nov 12

slugger says...

slugger wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
fact 5 and cure 5 are a bit odd , are you saying "to do nothing til jan is not an option" , followed by "fully review the squad in jan" ............. so what option do we have but to wait til jan ?
i'm obviously talking about the second "fact 5" not the first "fact 5" ......... these superior intellects are difficult to understand unless you're a pleb like me .
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]fact 5 and cure 5 are a bit odd , are you saying "to do nothing til jan is not an option" , followed by "fully review the squad in jan" ............. so what option do we have but to wait til jan ?[/p][/quote]i'm obviously talking about the second "fact 5" not the first "fact 5" ......... these superior intellects are difficult to understand unless you're a pleb like me . slugger
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10:23pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
That's a lot of words for a post with no point
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]That's a lot of words for a post with no point Baddesley Bill
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10:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12

brighton saint says...

I've been disappointed with the start to the season we have had but we must not forget who got us to the Prem...I am annoyed by some of the decisions NA has made this season...some of them have mystified me BUT the decisions he has made over the last 2 seasons have had me jumping for joy...I am quite sure you don't go from being a fantastic manager to a dud over night...NA needs more time and the support of the players and the fans especially when times are hard. We need to continue to get behind NA and the boys at every game ....I personally don't want a supposed big name manager to come in...NA is awesome in my eyes and I hope he continues as Saints manager as we need him...his record speaks for itself thus there is no need for us all to panic...back the manager and the boys 100% ...Hang 10
I've been disappointed with the start to the season we have had but we must not forget who got us to the Prem...I am annoyed by some of the decisions NA has made this season...some of them have mystified me BUT the decisions he has made over the last 2 seasons have had me jumping for joy...I am quite sure you don't go from being a fantastic manager to a dud over night...NA needs more time and the support of the players and the fans especially when times are hard. We need to continue to get behind NA and the boys at every game ....I personally don't want a supposed big name manager to come in...NA is awesome in my eyes and I hope he continues as Saints manager as we need him...his record speaks for itself thus there is no need for us all to panic...back the manager and the boys 100% ...Hang 10 brighton saint
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10:44pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintkenny says...

Force14 wrote:
Todays latest new manager odds.

4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp
3/1 Glen Hoddle
4/1 Rafa Benitez
8/1 Coco the Clown
12/1 Michael Appleton
14/1 Dave Jones
16/1 Harry Redknapp
100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson
rusty is out of the reckoning due to the fact he is already employed at shatton park
[quote][p][bold]Force14[/bold] wrote: Todays latest new manager odds. 4/6 Rusty the dancing Chimp 3/1 Glen Hoddle 4/1 Rafa Benitez 8/1 Coco the Clown 12/1 Michael Appleton 14/1 Dave Jones 16/1 Harry Redknapp 100/1 Sir Alex Ferguson[/p][/quote]rusty is out of the reckoning due to the fact he is already employed at shatton park saintkenny
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11:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

saintkenny says...

slugger wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
slugger wrote:
Storm Shadow wrote:
John Gillham wrote:
Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.
We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ).

Not quiet £35m but near enough.
way way off , nice try .
http://www.transferm


arkt.co.uk/en/statis


tiken/wettbewerbe/tr


ansfers.html
stand corrected , although i dont't think yoshida , gazaniga or clyne were that much ...... they were mainly undisclosed as i remember .
you should also remember 12 million came in for chamberlain the pompey lad ,cheers skunts .by the way my fellow saints fans .dont take to much notice of the skunts 2 of them have lived on here since there start of administration with various logins pompeyphil and his boyfriend who lives in warsash ,they have used many logins but they always come out with the stuff .its pretty easy to work out .2 very sad individuals
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storm Shadow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Gillham[/bold] wrote: Can someone give me a breakdown of this £35 million that is getting put about for this year's expenditure? I can only get it to just over £20 million.[/p][/quote]We spent £33.4m in the last transfer window ( Nathaniel Clyne Crystal Palace 2.816.000 - Paulo Gazzaniga Gillingham 2.772.000 - Steven Davis Rangers 880.000 - Jay Rodriguez Burnley 7.612.000 - Gastón Ramírez FC Bologna 13.376.000 - Emmanuel Mayuka Young Boys Bern 3.520.000 - Maya Yoshida VVV-Venlo 2.464.000 ). Not quiet £35m but near enough.[/p][/quote]way way off , nice try .[/p][/quote]http://www.transferm arkt.co.uk/en/statis tiken/wettbewerbe/tr ansfers.html[/p][/quote]stand corrected , although i dont't think yoshida , gazaniga or clyne were that much ...... they were mainly undisclosed as i remember .[/p][/quote]you should also remember 12 million came in for chamberlain the pompey lad ,cheers skunts .by the way my fellow saints fans .dont take to much notice of the skunts 2 of them have lived on here since there start of administration with various logins pompeyphil and his boyfriend who lives in warsash ,they have used many logins but they always come out with the stuff .its pretty easy to work out .2 very sad individuals saintkenny
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11:10pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Tirau Dan says...

I agree with Teboura... it would be folly to sack Nigel at the moment and it would bring about a downward spiral as a new man came in made changes.

There is no-one out there that has significantly improved a premiership club in the last decade. We do not want any of the recent has beens.

What we do want is for Nigel and board in the window to sell the surplus players who have proved they just will not step up to the mark and get a couple of decent premier league players - full back and defensive Midfielder, we need this as Jack Cork has been sadly missed thus far. Spider I think is getting better and better. I'd trust and leave it to Nigel to sort the for sale list but imho it is apparent unfortunately that on the list would be Butters, Chappers, Stevie, Punch and for me Guly who has had more chances than any. Nigel has to be given the opportunity to see this through.. I enjoyed the logic of Simons appraisals. The best is yet to come from Saints.. lots of football to come.. I loved the spurs game and both Manc games; we did not deserve to come away with nothing but do believe we have some pride and spirit left. The Club is in good hands and now more than ever Saints fans should get on the bus or join the march in behind our beloved SFC.
COYR
I agree with Teboura... it would be folly to sack Nigel at the moment and it would bring about a downward spiral as a new man came in made changes. There is no-one out there that has significantly improved a premiership club in the last decade. We do not want any of the recent has beens. What we do want is for Nigel and board in the window to sell the surplus players who have proved they just will not step up to the mark and get a couple of decent premier league players - full back and defensive Midfielder, we need this as Jack Cork has been sadly missed thus far. Spider I think is getting better and better. I'd trust and leave it to Nigel to sort the for sale list but imho it is apparent unfortunately that on the list would be Butters, Chappers, Stevie, Punch and for me Guly who has had more chances than any. Nigel has to be given the opportunity to see this through.. I enjoyed the logic of Simons appraisals. The best is yet to come from Saints.. lots of football to come.. I loved the spurs game and both Manc games; we did not deserve to come away with nothing but do believe we have some pride and spirit left. The Club is in good hands and now more than ever Saints fans should get on the bus or join the march in behind our beloved SFC. COYR Tirau Dan
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11:12pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Tirau Dan says...

ps and Jos on the list to go too.
ps and Jos on the list to go too. Tirau Dan
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11:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

justaSaintsfan says...

All this is nothing new! I have seen all three Saints promotions into the top tier of English football and each time the club, its coaches and players had to learn how to handle it. What is needed this season is for everyone at the club and we fans to all pull together. ALL of the players need all of our support because they represent our club and we fans are all part of it. 78% for the manager and 22% against is not good enough! Nigel Adkins is our club's manager and we should support our manager and players 100% all the time they are at Saints. Support from the fans can and does help players, so we should support each and every player who wears a Saints shirt. Remember that we are supporting the shirt and everything it represents, not just the individual player. We are back in the big time only three years into the club's five year plan and, thanks to Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese, we have been on a remarkable three year "rollercoaster ride," which has had more ups than downs! These are still exciting times. The club has broken its transfer record not once, but twice recently and things will definitely get better. The biggest low on our "rollercoaster ride" was the very sad and far, far too early loss of Markus Liebherr, but the great man saw to it through his trusted aide, Nicola Cortese, that our club's future remains secure. Without Markus's money and continuing support, our club would possibly be history, so it is up to us fans to show that we can match Markus's commitment to our club 100%, by supporting every player wearing a Saints shirt. We don't have to like them as individual players, but we do have to support them very loudly throughout every game. Come on you Saints!
All this is nothing new! I have seen all three Saints promotions into the top tier of English football and each time the club, its coaches and players had to learn how to handle it. What is needed this season is for everyone at the club and we fans to all pull together. ALL of the players need all of our support because they represent our club and we fans are all part of it. 78% for the manager and 22% against is not good enough! Nigel Adkins is our club's manager and we should support our manager and players 100% all the time they are at Saints. Support from the fans can and does help players, so we should support each and every player who wears a Saints shirt. Remember that we are supporting the shirt and everything it represents, not just the individual player. We are back in the big time only three years into the club's five year plan and, thanks to Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese, we have been on a remarkable three year "rollercoaster ride," which has had more ups than downs! These are still exciting times. The club has broken its transfer record not once, but twice recently and things will definitely get better. The biggest low on our "rollercoaster ride" was the very sad and far, far too early loss of Markus Liebherr, but the great man saw to it through his trusted aide, Nicola Cortese, that our club's future remains secure. Without Markus's money and continuing support, our club would possibly be history, so it is up to us fans to show that we can match Markus's commitment to our club 100%, by supporting every player wearing a Saints shirt. We don't have to like them as individual players, but we do have to support them very loudly throughout every game. Come on you Saints! justaSaintsfan
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12:09am Fri 2 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

come on moaners tell us, how many points would you have expected by now when you first saw the fixtures list? its not a hard question, and i wont call you any names! saintmax has answered and called me a `happy clapper` and all i did was to answer his responce to my question. so can we have an honest debate on this? points total and game they were gained from? come on do the decent thing without the insults and abuse.
come on moaners tell us, how many points would you have expected by now when you first saw the fixtures list? its not a hard question, and i wont call you any names! saintmax has answered and called me a `happy clapper` and all i did was to answer his responce to my question. so can we have an honest debate on this? points total and game they were gained from? come on do the decent thing without the insults and abuse. saintshorse101
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12:57am Fri 2 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

we have all read some `experts` on here over the last few weeks with their `inside info` and `someone who knows someone`. can we all agree that most if not all of those comments are rubbish. as are most of the `predictions` about NA`s future. 2 that came up after the leeds game sum this up perfectly.
LeTissiersEarLobe says...
10:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12

On the way back, everyone's talking mick McCarthy could be on the way in .......”
techsture says...
10:36am Wed 31 Oct 12

I'm hearing he is due to leave today, press conference being scheduled for 10am tomorrow”
well how did those predictions with `inside knowledge` get you guys?
i`ll give you a clue
booring McCarthy is at ipswich and NA hasnt gone yet and it wasnt announced at a press conference this morning!
we have all read some `experts` on here over the last few weeks with their `inside info` and `someone who knows someone`. can we all agree that most if not all of those comments are rubbish. as are most of the `predictions` about NA`s future. 2 that came up after the leeds game sum this up perfectly. LeTissiersEarLobe says... 10:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12 On the way back, everyone's talking mick McCarthy could be on the way in .......” techsture says... 10:36am Wed 31 Oct 12 I'm hearing he is due to leave today, press conference being scheduled for 10am tomorrow” well how did those predictions with `inside knowledge` get you guys? i`ll give you a clue booring McCarthy is at ipswich and NA hasnt gone yet and it wasnt announced at a press conference this morning! saintshorse101
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1:15am Fri 2 Nov 12

saintsupnorth says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
we have all read some `experts` on here over the last few weeks with their `inside info` and `someone who knows someone`. can we all agree that most if not all of those comments are rubbish. as are most of the `predictions` about NA`s future. 2 that came up after the leeds game sum this up perfectly.
LeTissiersEarLobe says...
10:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12

On the way back, everyone's talking mick McCarthy could be on the way in .......”
techsture says...
10:36am Wed 31 Oct 12

I'm hearing he is due to leave today, press conference being scheduled for 10am tomorrow”
well how did those predictions with `inside knowledge` get you guys?
i`ll give you a clue
booring McCarthy is at ipswich and NA hasnt gone yet and it wasnt announced at a press conference this morning!
I consider myself to be a managerial genius, like the rest i logged loads of hours on Fifa 13 to make me qualified!. Shame they think the same logic applies in the real world!. This is the same world where Pompey have transfer funds.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: we have all read some `experts` on here over the last few weeks with their `inside info` and `someone who knows someone`. can we all agree that most if not all of those comments are rubbish. as are most of the `predictions` about NA`s future. 2 that came up after the leeds game sum this up perfectly. LeTissiersEarLobe says... 10:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12 On the way back, everyone's talking mick McCarthy could be on the way in .......” techsture says... 10:36am Wed 31 Oct 12 I'm hearing he is due to leave today, press conference being scheduled for 10am tomorrow” well how did those predictions with `inside knowledge` get you guys? i`ll give you a clue booring McCarthy is at ipswich and NA hasnt gone yet and it wasnt announced at a press conference this morning![/p][/quote]I consider myself to be a managerial genius, like the rest i logged loads of hours on Fifa 13 to make me qualified!. Shame they think the same logic applies in the real world!. This is the same world where Pompey have transfer funds. saintsupnorth
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2:55am Fri 2 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.
Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans. hedge end bob
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7:31am Fri 2 Nov 12

Tirau Dan says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.
we will fight them in the Northam and fight them in Itchen, in the Chapel and in the Kingsland we will blow raspberries at those who boo at those who strive to stab the back of our leader Nigel.. Hoorah.. Fight the good fight. Come on I say Come on you Reds...where ever you are get out from under the bed, get down to the ground support the team and fight. We shall never surrender.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.[/p][/quote]we will fight them in the Northam and fight them in Itchen, in the Chapel and in the Kingsland we will blow raspberries at those who boo at those who strive to stab the back of our leader Nigel.. Hoorah.. Fight the good fight. Come on I say Come on you Reds...where ever you are get out from under the bed, get down to the ground support the team and fight. We shall never surrender. Tirau Dan
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7:41am Fri 2 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here.
I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes.
Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground.
Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club.
Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against
Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience
Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting
Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD
Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation
Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall.
Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club
Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL
Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans
Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players
Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation.
These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting.
There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]I agree. SaintMax
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8:19am Fri 2 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.
Two new threads up now, one a positive slant on WBA upon getting their best players fit again, the other a negative about Saints players and their disciplinary record!
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.[/p][/quote]Two new threads up now, one a positive slant on WBA upon getting their best players fit again, the other a negative about Saints players and their disciplinary record! SaintDon13
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9:34am Fri 2 Nov 12

kent141 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.
Zip it Gargoyle head.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.[/p][/quote]Zip it Gargoyle head. kent141
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9:57am Fri 2 Nov 12

BigD69 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.
I look forward to your relentless and never ending daily reminders after Monday night then...But if results dont turn???
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: What an utter bucket of rambling incoherent wandering babble. This is the most insubstantial piece of pseudo-journalism I have seen on this subject. You simply have nothing to say. Linking our current position to events that happened in 2004 is an exercise in rousing hysteria that is absolutley abysmal. We should be looking to encourage the team, support the manager. You might just as well look at the sequence of weather forecasts over the previous five days and see if we ever had bad results at the same time as a hurricane, coinciding with halloween and just before bonfire night..... Oh !! you metion bonfire night too, albeit misquoting the rhyme. This paper won't be happy until they can report a sacking. When the results turn, and they will, I will remind these threads every single day of the crud that was pumped out over the last month.[/p][/quote]I look forward to your relentless and never ending daily reminders after Monday night then...But if results dont turn??? BigD69
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10:06am Fri 2 Nov 12

BigD69 says...

Dickosfc wrote:
I'm going to hold my judgment and support the bloke through such an important month! . If we can pick up some wins then our predicament will look so much better. So let’s all keep calm and carry on supporting our great club as they need us know more than ever!!
Good shout Dicko..and this is the month he shall be judged.. he needs the support, not just from supporters but from his coaching staff.. are they up for the job??
[quote][p][bold]Dickosfc[/bold] wrote: I'm going to hold my judgment and support the bloke through such an important month! . If we can pick up some wins then our predicament will look so much better. So let’s all keep calm and carry on supporting our great club as they need us know more than ever!![/p][/quote]Good shout Dicko..and this is the month he shall be judged.. he needs the support, not just from supporters but from his coaching staff.. are they up for the job?? BigD69
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10:16am Fri 2 Nov 12

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Yawn...we all know the club does its business behind closed doors. The Echo will write pieces like this because it has nothing to go on an can only speculate and create a story when it has no real news. We all know the ambition of Cortese. I am sure things are happening behind the scenes. NA and his staff will be doing their best with the players we have. They will also be looking at bringing in others in the transfer window. Cortese will be working hard on this. January will show the true ambition of the club. I am saddened by the results so far, but the real test is January.
Yawn...we all know the club does its business behind closed doors. The Echo will write pieces like this because it has nothing to go on an can only speculate and create a story when it has no real news. We all know the ambition of Cortese. I am sure things are happening behind the scenes. NA and his staff will be doing their best with the players we have. They will also be looking at bringing in others in the transfer window. Cortese will be working hard on this. January will show the true ambition of the club. I am saddened by the results so far, but the real test is January. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
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11:47am Fri 2 Nov 12

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

kent141 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.
Zip it Gargoyle head.
This guy thinks he is superman. What a kn*b
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo , you got the result you set out for. War amongst the fans.[/p][/quote]Zip it Gargoyle head.[/p][/quote]This guy thinks he is superman. What a kn*b Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
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12:02pm Fri 2 Nov 12

lowe esteem says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Fact 1: You can't count?
Fact 5: There are no known cures for facts.
Fact 5: There are a lot of curious skunts on here that are close to making as much sense as you. We may promote them into your priveleged position of spell -checker in chief, you see they are very envious of our vast cosmopolitan and varied fanbase. Understand that they have a diminishing number of fans who all think the same owing to their muddled geneology, where ours come from many differing tribal roots like Happy Clappers and Do No Wrongs, Johnny Comelatelies and Premier Plastics, and of course, your good self- Big Chief No Smoke Without Fire.
Cure: All your problems are being addressed, quietly, inhouse, but do keep twittering, over to you Confuscious...
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: At times I think I should stop posting here. I can't bear my wise words to be criticised by mindless twits whose only words are skunts, poopey, sh*t, f*ck and alike who obviously do not have the brains to propose anything sensible and constructive to help change Saints' fortunes. Do not despair, I will keep posting in the sure and certain belief that my words of wisdom will fall on fertile ground. Fact 1 :- it would be folly to sack NA, to do so would result in tremendous disruption to the Club. Fact 2:- NA is struggling, not just my view, just look at the results and the goals against Fact 3:- There is no one at SMS with PL experience Fact 4:- Cortese has no skills in managing employees, customers and the media, the only skill he may have is bean counting Fact 5:- The £35m ,or whatever the figure, spent on transfers, was largely wasted, new players have failed to live up to their hype and are no better than what we already had on the books e.g. KD Fact 5:- To do nothing and wait for the Jan transfer window is not an option, if results from now up until the end of the year are the same as the results to date Saints won't have a snowball's chance in hell of avoiding relegation Fact 6 :- Happy Clappers who say it would be OK for Saints to be relegated with NA and come again are deluded, if Saints are relegated they could spend donkey's years in the wilderness and may even risk, like many other PL relegated teams, continuing in free fall. Cure 1 :- Don't sack NA, he has 78% support, instead give him a vote of confidence, extend his contract and end the speculation about his future which must be demoralising for everyone associated with the Club Cure 2&3 :- Immediately bring in an experienced PL coach to assist NA in finding his feet in the PL Cure 4 :- Cortese to end his war with the media, publicly support NA, risk coming out in the light of day and commence a dialogue with the media and fans Cure 5 :- Fully review the squad in January, learn from transfer errors, get rid of the dross and sign quality players Cure 6 :- For God's sake NC and NA should stop sitting on their hands and do something positive -- to avoid the drop --- to do nothing is accepting the status quo and will end in relegation. These are the constructive views of a true Saints supporter, others may disagree and trust in the power of prayer, prayer may very occasionally work, but I, probably along with millions of others have prayed for a lottery win for the past 20+ years and am still waiting. There is no such thing as luck, people make their own luck, by their own actions, Saints can only improve their own lot by taking positive action now. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.[/p][/quote]Fact 1: You can't count? Fact 5: There are no known cures for facts. Fact 5: There are a lot of curious skunts on here that are close to making as much sense as you. We may promote them into your priveleged position of spell -checker in chief, you see they are very envious of our vast cosmopolitan and varied fanbase. Understand that they have a diminishing number of fans who all think the same owing to their muddled geneology, where ours come from many differing tribal roots like Happy Clappers and Do No Wrongs, Johnny Comelatelies and Premier Plastics, and of course, your good self- Big Chief No Smoke Without Fire. Cure: All your problems