Gaston Ramirez facing another month on the sidelines, confirms Saints boss Nigel Adkins

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SAINTS manager Nigel Adkins has confirmed that club-record signing Gaston Ramirez faces another four weeks on the sidelines.

The 21-year-old required hospital treatment after sustaining a nasty leg injury in training two weeks ago, forcing him to miss the recent 2-2 draw with Fulham.

As the Daily Echo previously reported, Saints feared that Ramirez could miss up to six weeks as a result of what was described by Adkins as a dead leg that resulted in severe swelling in the player's thigh.

The Saints boss confirmed today that the Uruguay international is expected to be out for some time yet.

''I think six weeks is probably about right, but we'll see how he progresses through the rehab stages,'' Adkins said.

''If the time is from the medical department, it is from the date of original injury.

''He is showing good signs of recovery at this moment of time, but he won't be fit for the weekend.''

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4:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

Gutted for him and us.

Hoping the medical team can work some magic and get him sooner.
Gutted for him and us. Hoping the medical team can work some magic and get him sooner. Over the Edge

4:33pm Thu 18 Oct 12

joelster says...

why do they always say "as previously reported"?
why do they always say "as previously reported"? joelster

4:55pm Thu 18 Oct 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

joelster wrote:
why do they always say "as previously reported"?
Because it has been "previously reported" when he first done the injury.
Not too difficult really.
[quote][p][bold]joelster[/bold] wrote: why do they always say "as previously reported"?[/p][/quote]Because it has been "previously reported" when he first done the injury. Not too difficult really. SaintAsh1964

5:39pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

He won't play before December.
He won't play before December. MGRA

6:25pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Snebs says...

So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying Snebs

6:26pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence. OSPREYSAINT

6:34pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying[/p][/quote]It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs. OSPREYSAINT

6:47pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Velleity says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.
Could have been Fonte (the injury was before Fulham, the game where Fonte went from being one of the sources of all our ills to being perfect in every way)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying[/p][/quote]It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.[/p][/quote]Could have been Fonte (the injury was before Fulham, the game where Fonte went from being one of the sources of all our ills to being perfect in every way) Velleity

6:49pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Velleity says...

More seriously, I'm gutted, though I look forward to seeing his magic again before too long.

I was hoping the "six weeks" assessment might have been a bit of a smokescreen put up by NA but it sounds to be true, more's the pity.
More seriously, I'm gutted, though I look forward to seeing his magic again before too long. I was hoping the "six weeks" assessment might have been a bit of a smokescreen put up by NA but it sounds to be true, more's the pity. Velleity

6:50pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ! slugger

6:50pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Snebs says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Snebs wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.
wasn't aware that Guly actually made any tackles....fox must have been running back and tripped over him while looking to see where Lallana had got to
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying[/p][/quote]It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.[/p][/quote]wasn't aware that Guly actually made any tackles....fox must have been running back and tripped over him while looking to see where Lallana had got to Snebs

7:14pm Thu 18 Oct 12

saintshorse101 says...

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
here we go again! no facts to back this statement up. do you really think you know more than the entire medical staff and physio trained manager?
he may well not play before december, but then it is only another 2 weeks added to the 4 weeks we have been told, so it dosent take a genius to make a bold statement like that.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]here we go again! no facts to back this statement up. do you really think you know more than the entire medical staff and physio trained manager? he may well not play before december, but then it is only another 2 weeks added to the 4 weeks we have been told, so it dosent take a genius to make a bold statement like that. saintshorse101

7:14pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Rockhopper says...

A serious injury like this should not have happened in training.
Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez.
If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.
A serious injury like this should not have happened in training. Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez. If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined. Rockhopper

7:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Saint 2701 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.
Pipe down happy clap.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying[/p][/quote]It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.[/p][/quote]Pipe down happy clap. Saint 2701

7:24pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Block41row0sfc says...

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
Leave him alone he's just summing our luck up can't believe people get so shirty
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]Leave him alone he's just summing our luck up can't believe people get so shirty Block41row0sfc

8:26pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.
you are a muppet... did you see his leg... he is not "Steve Austin" LOL... any idiot could see he is wiped out for 8 weeks..... still keep typing randomly..... it keeps you amused....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.[/p][/quote]you are a muppet... did you see his leg... he is not "Steve Austin" LOL... any idiot could see he is wiped out for 8 weeks..... still keep typing randomly..... it keeps you amused.... MGRA

8:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we ) MGRA

8:33pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
here we go again! no facts to back this statement up. do you really think you know more than the entire medical staff and physio trained manager?
he may well not play before december, but then it is only another 2 weeks added to the 4 weeks we have been told, so it dosent take a genius to make a bold statement like that.
in the "news starved" world that is saints whereby nothing of detail ever gets media-spread.... everyone seems to think what they are drip fed is enough to form a complete opinion. If GR plays before December I will pay a consultancy firm to do a feasibility study on how you now buy a programme at Saints and donate an equal amount to charity.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]here we go again! no facts to back this statement up. do you really think you know more than the entire medical staff and physio trained manager? he may well not play before december, but then it is only another 2 weeks added to the 4 weeks we have been told, so it dosent take a genius to make a bold statement like that.[/p][/quote]in the "news starved" world that is saints whereby nothing of detail ever gets media-spread.... everyone seems to think what they are drip fed is enough to form a complete opinion. If GR plays before December I will pay a consultancy firm to do a feasibility study on how you now buy a programme at Saints and donate an equal amount to charity. MGRA

8:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Snebs says...

This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship. Snebs

8:44pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!? MGRA

8:51pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Velleity says...

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
Cripes, the cup's really half empty there.

Has there been any suggestion by anyone at all that it was intentional?

If they are talking about a few weeks, where does "career ending" come from?

When have the management team EVER talked accurately about injuries? The opposition would love to know his exact return date.

You're expecting a return to the championship on the back of this?

One (very good) player is out of the team for a few weeks and you've extrapolated it to deliberate damage causing the possible end of his career and leading to relegation.
Seriously, you need to calm down, have a pint and stop catastrophising.
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]Cripes, the cup's really half empty there. Has there been any suggestion by anyone at all that it was intentional? If they are talking about a few weeks, where does "career ending" come from? When have the management team EVER talked accurately about injuries? The opposition would love to know his exact return date. You're expecting a return to the championship on the back of this? One (very good) player is out of the team for a few weeks and you've extrapolated it to deliberate damage causing the possible end of his career and leading to relegation. Seriously, you need to calm down, have a pint and stop catastrophising. Velleity

8:53pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info. Velleity

9:00pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Tirau Dan says...

Get well soonest Gaston..

Any word on Chun Lee?
Get well soonest Gaston.. Any word on Chun Lee? Tirau Dan

9:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"... MGRA

9:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12

dadofmy3sons says...

MGRA when you examined his injury did you point out to the culprit that you hold him completely responsible for the end of civilisation as we know it?
Or are you just taking a stab in the dark?
Snebs, when you take the players training do you tell them to avoid kicking each other or do you wrap cotton wool round the important ones and hope that when they play a real game they will realise that the opposition are actually allowed to take the ball away?
Or are you just a miserable doomngloom ?
MGRA when you examined his injury did you point out to the culprit that you hold him completely responsible for the end of civilisation as we know it? Or are you just taking a stab in the dark? Snebs, when you take the players training do you tell them to avoid kicking each other or do you wrap cotton wool round the important ones and hope that when they play a real game they will realise that the opposition are actually allowed to take the ball away? Or are you just a miserable doomngloom ? dadofmy3sons

9:13pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
Get well soonest Gaston..

Any word on Chun Lee?
May play at Leeds it was said unless Doc MGRA knows differently.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: Get well soonest Gaston.. Any word on Chun Lee?[/p][/quote]May play at Leeds it was said unless Doc MGRA knows differently. OSPREYSAINT

9:15pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.
you are a muppet... did you see his leg... he is not "Steve Austin" LOL... any idiot could see he is wiped out for 8 weeks..... still keep typing randomly..... it keeps you amused....
any idiot? That includes you I presume?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.[/p][/quote]you are a muppet... did you see his leg... he is not "Steve Austin" LOL... any idiot could see he is wiped out for 8 weeks..... still keep typing randomly..... it keeps you amused....[/p][/quote]any idiot? That includes you I presume? OSPREYSAINT

9:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying
It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.
Pipe down happy clap.
No chance of that happening!
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying[/p][/quote]It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.[/p][/quote]Pipe down happy clap.[/p][/quote]No chance of that happening! OSPREYSAINT

9:20pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rockhopper wrote:
A serious injury like this should not have happened in training.
Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez.
If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.
Judgemental without a scintila of information, he might have tripped over sprinkler for all we know or are ever likely to find out.
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: A serious injury like this should not have happened in training. Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez. If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.[/p][/quote]Judgemental without a scintila of information, he might have tripped over sprinkler for all we know or are ever likely to find out. OSPREYSAINT

9:24pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Players have been injured in the pre match kick about, you can never tell when misfortune is going to strike, some people are coming on here and are spouting complete dross, you can speculate all that you want but it is unlikely that you will ever find out unless the Club decide to clear the air, so stop wasting time and space, it is pointless.
Players have been injured in the pre match kick about, you can never tell when misfortune is going to strike, some people are coming on here and are spouting complete dross, you can speculate all that you want but it is unlikely that you will ever find out unless the Club decide to clear the air, so stop wasting time and space, it is pointless. OSPREYSAINT

9:27pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ? slugger

9:27pm Thu 18 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Rockhopper wrote:
A serious injury like this should not have happened in training.
Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez.
If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.
Yes, obviously...
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: A serious injury like this should not have happened in training. Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez. If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.[/p][/quote]Yes, obviously... St Retford

9:32pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side. OSPREYSAINT

9:33pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist. MGRA

9:35pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.
training is not about "pulling out of tackles", you clearly have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Training is just that,,, training,,, oh no hang on a minute, I forgot you think they have to "learn" how to tackle in training.....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.[/p][/quote]training is not about "pulling out of tackles", you clearly have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Training is just that,,, training,,, oh no hang on a minute, I forgot you think they have to "learn" how to tackle in training..... MGRA

9:36pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind . slugger

9:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
.... and mine.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote].... and mine. OSPREYSAINT

9:42pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies.... MGRA

9:43pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
.... and mine.
ever heard this quote "If you want to get on in this world you simply have to stand out from the crowd".... LOL....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote].... and mine.[/p][/quote]ever heard this quote "If you want to get on in this world you simply have to stand out from the crowd".... LOL.... MGRA

9:45pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.
training is not about "pulling out of tackles", you clearly have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Training is just that,,, training,,, oh no hang on a minute, I forgot you think they have to "learn" how to tackle in training.....
I have never said "they have to learn how to tackle in training",where did you get that from? It would be better if they learned how to avoid being tackled don't you, less chance of contact then.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.[/p][/quote]training is not about "pulling out of tackles", you clearly have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Training is just that,,, training,,, oh no hang on a minute, I forgot you think they have to "learn" how to tackle in training.....[/p][/quote]I have never said "they have to learn how to tackle in training",where did you get that from? It would be better if they learned how to avoid being tackled don't you, less chance of contact then. OSPREYSAINT

9:46pm Thu 18 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
I'm no doctor but I thought a dead leg was muscle trauma, one and the same thing.caused by impacting the muscle against the bone.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]I'm no doctor but I thought a dead leg was muscle trauma, one and the same thing.caused by impacting the muscle against the bone. angus mc coatup

9:47pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
.... and mine.
ever heard this quote "If you want to get on in this world you simply have to stand out from the crowd".... LOL....
I just blend, you never see what hit you.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote].... and mine.[/p][/quote]ever heard this quote "If you want to get on in this world you simply have to stand out from the crowd".... LOL....[/p][/quote]I just blend, you never see what hit you. OSPREYSAINT

9:48pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ? slugger

9:52pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
I don't think I have actually made an opinion about when he will be back, I haven't the slightest idea, if it went gangrenous he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, it's lucky we have modern medical facilities that can deal with sirtuations like this. I assumed your first estimate was based on the thread information that he would be out for six weeks, I looked at the Calendar and counted six weeks and it came up with December, easy wasn't it.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]I don't think I have actually made an opinion about when he will be back, I haven't the slightest idea, if it went gangrenous he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, it's lucky we have modern medical facilities that can deal with sirtuations like this. I assumed your first estimate was based on the thread information that he would be out for six weeks, I looked at the Calendar and counted six weeks and it came up with December, easy wasn't it. OSPREYSAINT

9:55pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis... MGRA

9:59pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

or to put it another way,,,, its just gravity that works it magic.... If you Mr D throw an apple in the air, it will return to earth at its own pace, not the pace you would want it to , no matter how eager you are to eat that apple ! :0)
or to put it another way,,,, its just gravity that works it magic.... If you Mr D throw an apple in the air, it will return to earth at its own pace, not the pace you would want it to , no matter how eager you are to eat that apple ! :0) MGRA

10:02pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else . slugger

10:02pm Thu 18 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

where would we be without google

wonderful tool!!
where would we be without google wonderful tool!! angus mc coatup

10:03pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
I don't think I have actually made an opinion about when he will be back, I haven't the slightest idea, if it went gangrenous he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, it's lucky we have modern medical facilities that can deal with sirtuations like this. I assumed your first estimate was based on the thread information that he would be out for six weeks, I looked at the Calendar and counted six weeks and it came up with December, easy wasn't it.
it ain't rocket science is it !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]I don't think I have actually made an opinion about when he will be back, I haven't the slightest idea, if it went gangrenous he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, it's lucky we have modern medical facilities that can deal with sirtuations like this. I assumed your first estimate was based on the thread information that he would be out for six weeks, I looked at the Calendar and counted six weeks and it came up with December, easy wasn't it.[/p][/quote]it ain't rocket science is it ! slugger

10:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff. MGRA

10:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
or to put it another way,,,, its just gravity that works it magic.... If you Mr D throw an apple in the air, it will return to earth at its own pace, not the pace you would want it to , no matter how eager you are to eat that apple ! :0)
Newton told us that years ago, Einstein.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: or to put it another way,,,, its just gravity that works it magic.... If you Mr D throw an apple in the air, it will return to earth at its own pace, not the pace you would want it to , no matter how eager you are to eat that apple ! :0)[/p][/quote]Newton told us that years ago, Einstein. OSPREYSAINT

10:08pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
yeah yeah ......... tell it to a mug .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]yeah yeah ......... tell it to a mug . slugger

10:09pm Thu 18 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done! angus mc coatup

10:11pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
Stop it, I am squeamish. GCSE eh? That is heady stuff I thought from your posts that you were at least FRCPS qualified.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]Stop it, I am squeamish. GCSE eh? That is heady stuff I thought from your posts that you were at least FRCPS qualified. OSPREYSAINT

10:12pm Thu 18 Oct 12

franiow says...

Why are people reading so much into how Ramirez got his injury? Absolutely sure it was an accident. The person who did it is probably gutted and has not been 'punished' in any way.
Why are people reading so much into how Ramirez got his injury? Absolutely sure it was an accident. The person who did it is probably gutted and has not been 'punished' in any way. franiow

10:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Snebs says...

wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something? Snebs

10:20pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
... wrong again Clyne picked his dead leg up at Everton not in training, please keep up.
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]... wrong again Clyne picked his dead leg up at Everton not in training, please keep up. OSPREYSAINT

10:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-) MGRA

10:23pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
where would we be without google

wonderful tool!!
Except that it keeps leading us to Wiki and we all know how accurate that can be?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: where would we be without google wonderful tool!![/p][/quote]Except that it keeps leading us to Wiki and we all know how accurate that can be? OSPREYSAINT

10:23pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

so , in my own mind i've established that mgra won't say what he(or she) does for a living but is well informed about litterally everything saints , is extreemly good with google and then claims that degree type medical knowhow should be common knowledge for a pupil in year 10 ! .......... this is fun.
so , in my own mind i've established that mgra won't say what he(or she) does for a living but is well informed about litterally everything saints , is extreemly good with google and then claims that degree type medical knowhow should be common knowledge for a pupil in year 10 ! .......... this is fun. slugger

10:25pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
So we are all agreed then, under no circumstance should he return before December or we will all have egg on our faces. On a serious front I hope they don't try to rush him back before he is 100% ready, that could only worsten the problem.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]So we are all agreed then, under no circumstance should he return before December or we will all have egg on our faces. On a serious front I hope they don't try to rush him back before he is 100% ready, that could only worsten the problem. OSPREYSAINT

10:26pm Thu 18 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
have you just overdosed!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]have you just overdosed! angus mc coatup

10:29pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
So we are all agreed then, under no circumstance should he return before December or we will all have egg on our faces. On a serious front I hope they don't try to rush him back before he is 100% ready, that could only worsten the problem.
Oh and by the way, I have no interest in Lampards shirt so thank you for keeping it to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]So we are all agreed then, under no circumstance should he return before December or we will all have egg on our faces. On a serious front I hope they don't try to rush him back before he is 100% ready, that could only worsten the problem.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way, I have no interest in Lampards shirt so thank you for keeping it to yourself. OSPREYSAINT

10:32pm Thu 18 Oct 12

St Retford says...

MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
Jesus 'H' Christ...
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Jesus 'H' Christ... St Retford

10:33pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
Jesus 'H' Christ...
exactly !
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Jesus 'H' Christ...[/p][/quote]exactly ! slugger

10:35pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing? Velleity

10:44pm Thu 18 Oct 12

St Retford says...

slugger wrote:
St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
Jesus 'H' Christ...
exactly !
I've never read anything on the Internet that has made me quite so certain its author is, 'shall we say', a grade A knobwand. Does anyone 'concur with my thoughts'?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Jesus 'H' Christ...[/p][/quote]exactly ![/p][/quote]I've never read anything on the Internet that has made me quite so certain its author is, 'shall we say', a grade A knobwand. Does anyone 'concur with my thoughts'? St Retford

10:50pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

st retford ...... oh yes !
st retford ...... oh yes ! slugger

10:57pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar
ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun.... MGRA

10:57pm Thu 18 Oct 12

angus mc coatup says...

St Retford wrote:
slugger wrote:
St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
Jesus 'H' Christ...
exactly !
I've never read anything on the Internet that has made me quite so certain its author is, 'shall we say', a grade A knobwand. Does anyone 'concur with my thoughts'?
well there's a certain amount of concurring from here.but I take issue with your use of the word "knobwand" I think he's a bigger pr!ck than that.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Jesus 'H' Christ...[/p][/quote]exactly ![/p][/quote]I've never read anything on the Internet that has made me quite so certain its author is, 'shall we say', a grade A knobwand. Does anyone 'concur with my thoughts'?[/p][/quote]well there's a certain amount of concurring from here.but I take issue with your use of the word "knobwand" I think he's a bigger pr!ck than that. angus mc coatup

11:02pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through..... MGRA

11:05pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar

ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....
you're not as clever as you think you are , i'm a plumber remember ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....[/p][/quote]you're not as clever as you think you are , i'm a plumber remember ? slugger

11:07pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ! slugger

11:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12

St Retford says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
Innit. No wonder we can't park the bus.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ![/p][/quote]Innit. No wonder we can't park the bus. St Retford

11:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar

ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....
Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....[/p][/quote]Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant. OSPREYSAINT

11:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends . slugger

11:18pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ![/p][/quote]I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg. OSPREYSAINT

11:22pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar


ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....
Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.
Let me see now, TEBOURBA is missing tonight, Snebs?, Doubting Thomas?, he is on another thread, not to mention GHK, I can't think of any others that match the description can you?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....[/p][/quote]Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.[/p][/quote]Let me see now, TEBOURBA is missing tonight, Snebs?, Doubting Thomas?, he is on another thread, not to mention GHK, I can't think of any others that match the description can you? OSPREYSAINT

11:23pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.
you wont be playing til december ..... FACT !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ![/p][/quote]I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.[/p][/quote]you wont be playing til december ..... FACT ! slugger

11:24pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course.... MGRA

11:27pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar



ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....
Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.
Let me see now, TEBOURBA is missing tonight, Snebs?, Doubting Thomas?, he is on another thread, not to mention GHK, I can't think of any others that match the description can you?
tebourba is my favorite ........ you heard it here first !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....[/p][/quote]Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.[/p][/quote]Let me see now, TEBOURBA is missing tonight, Snebs?, Doubting Thomas?, he is on another thread, not to mention GHK, I can't think of any others that match the description can you?[/p][/quote]tebourba is my favorite ........ you heard it here first ! slugger

11:27pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.
you wont be playing til december ..... FACT !
That's a lame excuse.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ![/p][/quote]I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.[/p][/quote]you wont be playing til december ..... FACT ![/p][/quote]That's a lame excuse. OSPREYSAINT

11:30pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !
I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.
you wont be playing til december ..... FACT !
That's a lame excuse.
It was a Minor problem.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]they're training in cars ? ........ shocking ![/p][/quote]I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.[/p][/quote]you wont be playing til december ..... FACT ![/p][/quote]That's a lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It was a Minor problem. OSPREYSAINT

11:31pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win . slugger

11:32pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

then the sad little gang of sherlocks could maybe investigate SFA directors past and present.... and then maybe they could investigate UK employment laws and EU directives on discrimination. Then maybe they could investigate the regulations on m******** *e*** and why football clubs are not excempt from these regulations and then maybe have a chat with Matty.... LOL....
then the sad little gang of sherlocks could maybe investigate SFA directors past and present.... and then maybe they could investigate UK employment laws and EU directives on discrimination. Then maybe they could investigate the regulations on m******** *e*** and why football clubs are not excempt from these regulations and then maybe have a chat with Matty.... LOL.... MGRA

11:34pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors.... MGRA

11:37pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ? slugger

11:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
It's a nice pint I believe?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]It's a nice pint I believe? OSPREYSAINT

11:41pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
quality.... must call it a night..... you know I am legit and you know I can't tell more....and you know I know stuff... until next time... adios mi amigo...
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]quality.... must call it a night..... you know I am legit and you know I can't tell more....and you know I know stuff...[ just research recent female directors and why they left ] until next time... adios mi amigo... MGRA

11:41pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
It's a nice pint I believe?
Darn it slug you beat me to it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]It's a nice pint I believe?[/p][/quote]Darn it slug you beat me to it. OSPREYSAINT

11:43pm Thu 18 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
quality.... must call it a night..... you know I am legit and you know I can't tell more....and you know I know stuff... until next time... adios mi amigo...
None of the above.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]quality.... must call it a night..... you know I am legit and you know I can't tell more....and you know I know stuff...[ just research recent female directors and why they left ] until next time... adios mi amigo...[/p][/quote]None of the above. OSPREYSAINT

11:43pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left.... MGRA

11:51pm Thu 18 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
i don't care really , saints have gone from nearly bottom of L1 to the prem in 3 years ......... so far so good imo .... i love him to bits as it happens .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]i don't care really , saints have gone from nearly bottom of L1 to the prem in 3 years ......... so far so good imo .... i love him to bits as it happens . slugger

12:51am Fri 19 Oct 12

randre says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
It's a nice pint I believe?
I used to like directors, but I had a bad pint of it about 8 years ago and can't stomach it now. Strictly Saints ale from now on..... Or any other ale / bitter available from all good outlets.... Please drink sensibly.....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]It's a nice pint I believe?[/p][/quote]I used to like directors, but I had a bad pint of it about 8 years ago and can't stomach it now. Strictly Saints ale from now on..... Or any other ale / bitter available from all good outlets.... Please drink sensibly..... randre

1:12am Fri 19 Oct 12

saintshorse101 says...

MGRA wrote:
then the sad little gang of sherlocks could maybe investigate SFA directors past and present.... and then maybe they could investigate UK employment laws and EU directives on discrimination. Then maybe they could investigate the regulations on m******** *e*** and why football clubs are not excempt from these regulations and then maybe have a chat with Matty.... LOL....
so from what you have told us i am to presume that you are a croos between sherlock holmes, dr watson/doogie howser with a `man on the inside`, and who knows football broadcasters oh i forgot you are a uefa top class coach who is able to know how a team train without watching them train!
have i missed anything?
oh yes thats it you are able to diagnose a players injury and give an accurate rehab time without ever seeing the player or the injury! you are able to second guess the entire medical team at sfc including a fully qualified doctor, and physio`s oh and the managers a physio! all of those are highly trained and qualified and are working `hands on` with the player and have had 2 weeks to **** the injury and have seen how his rehab is progressing, yet you who have watched/read an interview know better? you must be worth a fortune with special powers like that! please please use your powers as a bad guy, we need a super hero and you could be the villain! i can see it now the story for the second avengers movie, iron man and co vs googlebull****man!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: then the sad little gang of sherlocks could maybe investigate SFA directors past and present.... and then maybe they could investigate UK employment laws and EU directives on discrimination. Then maybe they could investigate the regulations on m******** *e*** and why football clubs are not excempt from these regulations and then maybe have a chat with Matty.... LOL....[/p][/quote]so from what you have told us i am to presume that you are a croos between sherlock holmes, dr watson/doogie howser with a `man on the inside`, and who knows football broadcasters oh i forgot you are a uefa top class coach who is able to know how a team train without watching them train! have i missed anything? oh yes thats it you are able to diagnose a players injury and give an accurate rehab time without ever seeing the player or the injury! you are able to second guess the entire medical team at sfc including a fully qualified doctor, and physio`s oh and the managers a physio! all of those are highly trained and qualified and are working `hands on` with the player and have had 2 weeks to **** the injury and have seen how his rehab is progressing, yet you who have watched/read an interview know better? you must be worth a fortune with special powers like that! please please use your powers as a bad guy, we need a super hero and you could be the villain! i can see it now the story for the second avengers movie, iron man and co vs googlebull****man! saintshorse101

2:02am Fri 19 Oct 12

hedge end bob says...

MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
Your a paper boy for the ECHO !!!! or else a tw@t.
Empty vesels make most sound comes to mind.
Fran loved your post ,SENSIBLE.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Your a paper boy for the ECHO !!!! or else a tw@t. Empty vesels make most sound comes to mind. Fran loved your post ,SENSIBLE. hedge end bob

2:05am Fri 19 Oct 12

hedge end bob says...

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???
[quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me??? hedge end bob

2:32am Fri 19 Oct 12

st1halo says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
As you are the expert in biology, please explain to me how the human body can become so full of faeces that it pours out of the brain, down the fingertips and through the internet onto this forum in the guise of your posts

STID
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]As you are the expert in biology, please explain to me how the human body can become so full of faeces that it pours out of the brain, down the fingertips and through the internet onto this forum in the guise of your posts STID st1halo

2:38am Fri 19 Oct 12

st1halo says...

MGRA wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.
stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !
come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )
i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?
I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.
i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .
your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....
you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?
I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...
do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .
google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.
and you remembered that word for word

well done!
Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)
I dont understand why we as taxpayers should be subsidising a broadband supply at the local psychiatric ward. Surely the government has better things to spend our money on !

STID
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: He won't play before December.[/p][/quote]stunning observation ....... you really do know everything ![/p][/quote]come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )[/p][/quote]i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?[/p][/quote]I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.[/p][/quote]i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .[/p][/quote]your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....[/p][/quote]you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?[/p][/quote]I must be poor then If I am a master of none ? Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas. They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process. Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture. Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream. The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...[/p][/quote]do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .[/p][/quote]google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.[/p][/quote]and you remembered that word for word well done![/p][/quote]Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)[/p][/quote]I dont understand why we as taxpayers should be subsidising a broadband supply at the local psychiatric ward. Surely the government has better things to spend our money on ! STID st1halo

6:33am Fri 19 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.
it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?
MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.
yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...
So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?
no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....
I've asked you several times in this thread to tell us what exactly happened to Ramirez, yet you seem unable or unwilling to answer the question.

You say you have "the information about what actually happened to GR" so why not share it?

Was the injury sustained in a tackle? A tackle carried out by whom? Is your information from the mouth of someone who saw it happen?

If, for some reason you don't want to let us in on the answers, it seems reasonable to ask why.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.[/p][/quote]it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?[/p][/quote]MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.[/p][/quote]yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...[/p][/quote]So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training" Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened? You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury? Or are you just guessing?[/p][/quote]no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....[/p][/quote]I've asked you several times in this thread to tell us what exactly happened to Ramirez, yet you seem unable or unwilling to answer the question. You say you have "the information about what actually happened to GR" so why not share it? Was the injury sustained in a tackle? A tackle carried out by whom? Is your information from the mouth of someone who saw it happen? If, for some reason you don't want to let us in on the answers, it seems reasonable to ask why. Velleity

8:32am Fri 19 Oct 12

Taking le Tiss says...

I suspect if truth be known that the training sessions have been made more competitive to try and sort out the shipping of goals and this is unfortunately one of the consequences.
I suspect if truth be known that the training sessions have been made more competitive to try and sort out the shipping of goals and this is unfortunately one of the consequences. Taking le Tiss

8:37am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof. OSPREYSAINT

8:38am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???
I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???[/p][/quote]I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean. OSPREYSAINT

9:07am Fri 19 Oct 12

Saintcosser says...

A dead leg doesn't necessarily come from a bad challenge, it can be sustained innoxiously and I speak from experience. When it happened to me I was simply shielding the ball from a teammate who slipped when trying to take the ball off me from behind. His knee hit the back of my standing leg around the thigh area and the impact created a bruise that ran from the top of my leg down to my ankle. Fortunately when I went to the hospital I didn’t require an operation, but I didn’t play footy again for over a month.
A dead leg doesn't necessarily come from a bad challenge, it can be sustained innoxiously and I speak from experience. When it happened to me I was simply shielding the ball from a teammate who slipped when trying to take the ball off me from behind. His knee hit the back of my standing leg around the thigh area and the impact created a bruise that ran from the top of my leg down to my ankle. Fortunately when I went to the hospital I didn’t require an operation, but I didn’t play footy again for over a month. Saintcosser

9:08am Fri 19 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???
I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.
...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin.

Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was.

Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is ..........

........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger.

And me? I'm just confused - FACT!

Remember, you heard it here first!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???[/p][/quote]I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin. Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was. Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is .......... ........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger. And me? I'm just confused - FACT! Remember, you heard it here first! Strasbourg Saint

9:12am Fri 19 Oct 12

Tirau Dan says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???
I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.
...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin.

Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was.

Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is ..........

........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger.

And me? I'm just confused - FACT!

Remember, you heard it here first!
and Stras is... on the beer ;p
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???[/p][/quote]I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin. Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was. Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is .......... ........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger. And me? I'm just confused - FACT! Remember, you heard it here first![/p][/quote]and Stras is... on the beer ;p Tirau Dan

9:13am Fri 19 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Saintcosser wrote:
A dead leg doesn't necessarily come from a bad challenge, it can be sustained innoxiously and I speak from experience. When it happened to me I was simply shielding the ball from a teammate who slipped when trying to take the ball off me from behind. His knee hit the back of my standing leg around the thigh area and the impact created a bruise that ran from the top of my leg down to my ankle. Fortunately when I went to the hospital I didn’t require an operation, but I didn’t play footy again for over a month.
Now that's a lesson in how to post 'knowledgably' from factual first-hand experience. Thank you Cosser.

Those who seem to 'know' something but seem unable to back it up, please read and take note.
[quote][p][bold]Saintcosser[/bold] wrote: A dead leg doesn't necessarily come from a bad challenge, it can be sustained innoxiously and I speak from experience. When it happened to me I was simply shielding the ball from a teammate who slipped when trying to take the ball off me from behind. His knee hit the back of my standing leg around the thigh area and the impact created a bruise that ran from the top of my leg down to my ankle. Fortunately when I went to the hospital I didn’t require an operation, but I didn’t play footy again for over a month.[/p][/quote]Now that's a lesson in how to post 'knowledgably' from factual first-hand experience. Thank you Cosser. Those who seem to 'know' something but seem unable to back it up, please read and take note. Strasbourg Saint

9:15am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not. OSPREYSAINT

9:18am Fri 19 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?
First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???
I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.
...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin.

Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was.

Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is ..........

........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger.

And me? I'm just confused - FACT!

Remember, you heard it here first!
and Stras is... on the beer ;p
Ha! Here in Alsace, the beer drinking comes a bit later in the day. However, if you go north, what we here call 'petit déjeuner', they call 'Stella Artois'.

btw, you've been sussed .......



.................... welcome home Rob! :)
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snebs[/bold] wrote: wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???[/p][/quote]I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin. Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was. Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is .......... ........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger. And me? I'm just confused - FACT! Remember, you heard it here first![/p][/quote]and Stras is... on the beer ;p[/p][/quote]Ha! Here in Alsace, the beer drinking comes a bit later in the day. However, if you go north, what we here call 'petit déjeuner', they call 'Stella Artois'. btw, you've been sussed ....... .................... welcome home Rob! :) Strasbourg Saint

9:22am Fri 19 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.
Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.[/p][/quote]Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work! In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing. I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT! Strasbourg Saint

9:36am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.
MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.[/p][/quote]MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious. OSPREYSAINT

9:40am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.
Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!
Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.[/p][/quote]Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work! In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing. I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT![/p][/quote]Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say. OSPREYSAINT

10:27am Fri 19 Oct 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear. SaintAsh1964

10:34am Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.
MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.
keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.[/p][/quote]MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.[/p][/quote]keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally.... MGRA

10:38am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.
MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.
keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....
So just mischief then, if it is nothing to do with Saints it has no place on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.[/p][/quote]MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.[/p][/quote]keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....[/p][/quote]So just mischief then, if it is nothing to do with Saints it has no place on this thread. OSPREYSAINT

10:39am Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee" MGRA

10:41am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.
Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!
Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.
What do think is MGRA up to? Is it genuinenly subversive or just a mischief maker?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.[/p][/quote]Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work! In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing. I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT![/p][/quote]Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.[/p][/quote]What do think is MGRA up to? Is it genuinenly subversive or just a mischief maker? OSPREYSAINT

10:45am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
I don't recall anyone disputing what you said, as it only echoed what was said in the thread, it was the way you said it as if you were some kind of expert. I doubt you are d1ckhead, but you don't always engage your brain before posting and that is what is getting you the grief.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]I don't recall anyone disputing what you said, as it only echoed what was said in the thread, it was the way you said it as if you were some kind of expert. I doubt you are d1ckhead, but you don't always engage your brain before posting and that is what is getting you the grief. OSPREYSAINT

10:52am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Lucky fellow, that's a gem to keep in his album, as our expert MGRA has said there may be some nerve damage which needs to settle down, trying to get back too early would only cause more problems, but we are renowned for having the best medical facilities and in them we trust.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Lucky fellow, that's a gem to keep in his album, as our expert MGRA has said there may be some nerve damage which needs to settle down, trying to get back too early would only cause more problems, but we are renowned for having the best medical facilities and in them we trust. OSPREYSAINT

11:05am Fri 19 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye. Velleity

11:57am Fri 19 Oct 12

Forest Saint says...

What a blow for us all! GR has sublime skills as displayed against Aston Villa. Get fit asap Gaston!
What a blow for us all! GR has sublime skills as displayed against Aston Villa. Get fit asap Gaston! Forest Saint

11:59am Fri 19 Oct 12

st1halo says...

MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
I think the debate is going on because you come across as straight out of the playground

Here are some clues (to be spoken in a girlie but pompous voice)

I know someting about Frank Lampards shirt but Im not telling youuu!
Dont you know its level 10 gcse biology
I know lots of secret things but cant tell!
You all know Im the smartest person ever but dont want to admit it!

and finally, your post on the England thread the other day...Why would anyone pay to watch a 3rd rate football team anyway, I just dont get it!!


Really? I think you are a WUM

STID
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]I think the debate is going on because you come across as straight out of the playground Here are some clues (to be spoken in a girlie but pompous voice) I know someting about Frank Lampards shirt but Im not telling youuu! Dont you know its level 10 gcse biology I know lots of secret things but cant tell! You all know Im the smartest person ever but dont want to admit it! and finally, your post on the England thread the other day...Why would anyone pay to watch a 3rd rate football team anyway, I just dont get it!! Really? I think you are a WUM STID st1halo

12:06pm Fri 19 Oct 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Lucky fellow, that's a gem to keep in his album, as our expert MGRA has said there may be some nerve damage which needs to settle down, trying to get back too early would only cause more problems, but we are renowned for having the best medical facilities and in them we trust.
True Osprey, thing is he was following him around the store building up courage to ask him for a photo!
Lets hope when he's back he'll take the League by storm.
UTS
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Lucky fellow, that's a gem to keep in his album, as our expert MGRA has said there may be some nerve damage which needs to settle down, trying to get back too early would only cause more problems, but we are renowned for having the best medical facilities and in them we trust.[/p][/quote]True Osprey, thing is he was following him around the store building up courage to ask him for a photo! Lets hope when he's back he'll take the League by storm. UTS SaintAsh1964

12:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .
or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....
that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .
go for it then,,, ask about directors....
nice pint , what's the abv ?
oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....
To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.
MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.
keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....
So just mischief then, if it is nothing to do with Saints it has no place on this thread.
on the contrary... if you are able to put 2 and 2 together you may be able to make 4... you may not have the capacity to understand this but some things are not able to be printed here...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .[/p][/quote]or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....[/p][/quote]that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .[/p][/quote]go for it then,,, ask about directors....[/p][/quote]nice pint , what's the abv ?[/p][/quote]oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....[/p][/quote]To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.[/p][/quote]MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.[/p][/quote]keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....[/p][/quote]So just mischief then, if it is nothing to do with Saints it has no place on this thread.[/p][/quote]on the contrary... if you are able to put 2 and 2 together you may be able to make 4... you may not have the capacity to understand this but some things are not able to be printed here... MGRA

12:45pm Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

st1halo wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
I think the debate is going on because you come across as straight out of the playground

Here are some clues (to be spoken in a girlie but pompous voice)

I know someting about Frank Lampards shirt but Im not telling youuu!
Dont you know its level 10 gcse biology
I know lots of secret things but cant tell!
You all know Im the smartest person ever but dont want to admit it!

and finally, your post on the England thread the other day...Why would anyone pay to watch a 3rd rate football team anyway, I just dont get it!!


Really? I think you are a WUM

STID
you are thinking so thats good,,, can't be anything other than beneficial. See if you can find out what happened to Lampards shirt ! That will take lots of thinking.... so take it easy..... You can probably see it from live feeds taken on the night but see if you can work out who it was that got it !! If you do find out then thats 5 of us ! LOL !!! I would lay this challenge down to Sherlock Osprey but he is probably worn out....
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]I think the debate is going on because you come across as straight out of the playground Here are some clues (to be spoken in a girlie but pompous voice) I know someting about Frank Lampards shirt but Im not telling youuu! Dont you know its level 10 gcse biology I know lots of secret things but cant tell! You all know Im the smartest person ever but dont want to admit it! and finally, your post on the England thread the other day...Why would anyone pay to watch a 3rd rate football team anyway, I just dont get it!! Really? I think you are a WUM STID[/p][/quote]you are thinking so thats good,,, can't be anything other than beneficial. See if you can find out what happened to Lampards shirt ! That will take lots of thinking.... so take it easy..... You can probably see it from live feeds taken on the night but see if you can work out who it was that got it !! If you do find out then thats 5 of us ! LOL !!! I would lay this challenge down to Sherlock Osprey but he is probably worn out.... MGRA

1:21pm Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.
I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.[/p][/quote]I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal.... MGRA

2:18pm Fri 19 Oct 12

st1halo says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.
I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....
Sussed it. You're a politician!!
Lots of talk but in reality saying nothing at all and jibing straight out of the school playground

STID
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.[/p][/quote]I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....[/p][/quote]Sussed it. You're a politician!! Lots of talk but in reality saying nothing at all and jibing straight out of the school playground STID st1halo

2:24pm Fri 19 Oct 12

st1halo says...

P.S I don't have the slightest interest in Lampards shirt so your challenge is wasted
I have a large collection of signed shirts but frankly (excuse the pun) if I had his it would be hung up in the toilet for emergencies

STID
P.S I don't have the slightest interest in Lampards shirt so your challenge is wasted I have a large collection of signed shirts but frankly (excuse the pun) if I had his it would be hung up in the toilet for emergencies STID st1halo

3:05pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Rising_Son says...

Like MGRA, I know that a person on the bookies shortlist for a certain management position won't get it. In fact most or possibly all of them will miss out.
Like MGRA, I know that a person on the bookies shortlist for a certain management position won't get it. In fact most or possibly all of them will miss out. Rising_Son

3:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.
I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....
So you have skate connections and Appleton is not going to Burnley, right?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.[/p][/quote]I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....[/p][/quote]So you have skate connections and Appleton is not going to Burnley, right? OSPREYSAINT

4:47pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Velleity wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.
Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"
It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.
I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....
So, given that you know what you know "based on what you see and are told", tell us exactly how Ramirez (remember him, the point of the thread?) was injured. Was it definitely a tackle by someone giving it 100% (or whatever it was you said earlier)?. Who was it?

Neither of those facts could possibly cause any trouble to your informant.

I have asked you for that info three times now and you have avoided answering every time. I'm really hoping you do let us in on your inside info this time. There is no reason not to tell us.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.[/p][/quote]Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"[/p][/quote]It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.[/p][/quote]I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....[/p][/quote]So, given that you know what you know "based on what you see and are told", tell us exactly how Ramirez (remember him, the point of the thread?) was injured. Was it definitely a tackle by someone giving it 100% (or whatever it was you said earlier)?. Who was it? Neither of those facts could possibly cause any trouble to your informant. I have asked you for that info three times now and you have avoided answering every time. I'm really hoping you do let us in on your inside info this time. There is no reason not to tell us. Velleity

5:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

wellow saint says...

I have heard from three different sources that it was Guly who caused the injury. Must be something ironic in this given his pathetic efforts on the pitch this season.
I have heard from three different sources that it was Guly who caused the injury. Must be something ironic in this given his pathetic efforts on the pitch this season. wellow saint

6:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Velleity says...

So let's hand it over to the man who knows.

MRSA, was it Guly?
So let's hand it over to the man who knows. MRSA, was it Guly? Velleity

7:25pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Philooo White says...

We should beat west ham anyway..bunch of long ball hoofers nowadays. Football really suffers when people like allardyce are around.
We should beat west ham anyway..bunch of long ball hoofers nowadays. Football really suffers when people like allardyce are around. Philooo White

7:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Philooo White says...

PS am really working hard on making my wife a saints fan, trouble is she did face a bit of racist nonsense from a saints fan at waterloo station a few years back, but she's forgiving. she now asks "who are saints playing against this weekend?" rather than "who are hey playing with" so i count that as progress
PS am really working hard on making my wife a saints fan, trouble is she did face a bit of racist nonsense from a saints fan at waterloo station a few years back, but she's forgiving. she now asks "who are saints playing against this weekend?" rather than "who are hey playing with" so i count that as progress Philooo White

10:50am Sat 20 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.
Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!
Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.
What do think is MGRA up to? Is it genuinenly subversive or just a mischief maker?
I think he has his view and is entitled to it, like GHK et al. However, there are two things which I generally don't like; one is when someone resorts to abuse without having received any, the other is when someone posts as though they know the facts but base their view on rumour and what has popped into their mind. Nothing wrong with saying 'I think that ......' or, 'maybe ....' we all like to second guess. However, most of the time we DON'T know, yet those who act as though they do have to expect others to take a pop at them. So, in the end, by default, they become mischief makers.

As for Ramirez, we'll see. I think we all agree the sooner he's fit, the better.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.[/p][/quote]Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work! In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing. I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT![/p][/quote]Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.[/p][/quote]What do think is MGRA up to? Is it genuinenly subversive or just a mischief maker?[/p][/quote]I think he has his view and is entitled to it, like GHK et al. However, there are two things which I generally don't like; one is when someone resorts to abuse without having received any, the other is when someone posts as though they know the facts but base their view on rumour and what has popped into their mind. Nothing wrong with saying 'I think that ......' or, 'maybe ....' we all like to second guess. However, most of the time we DON'T know, yet those who act as though they do have to expect others to take a pop at them. So, in the end, by default, they become mischief makers. As for Ramirez, we'll see. I think we all agree the sooner he's fit, the better. Strasbourg Saint

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