Adkins confirms extended Ramirez absence (From Daily Echo)

joelster wrote:
why do they always say "as previously reported"?

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying

It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Snebs wrote: So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying

It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying

It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

saintshorse101 wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

here we go again! no facts to back this statement up. do you really think you know more than the entire medical staff and physio trained manager?
he may well not play before december, but then it is only another 2 weeks added to the 4 weeks we have been told, so it dosent take a genius to make a bold statement like that.

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

Tirau Dan wrote:
Get well soonest Gaston..

Any word on Chun Lee?

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

Are you his doctor? Fair enough if that is the case it will be the equivalent of a brand new signing, something to look forward to, let's hope the rest of the side lift their game to make up for his absence.

you are a muppet... did you see his leg... he is not "Steve Austin" LOL... any idiot could see he is wiped out for 8 weeks..... still keep typing randomly..... it keeps you amused....

Saint 2701 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Snebs wrote:
So what the f*** were they doing in training to end up putting our best player out for 6 weeks? As if we didn't have enough issues with poor performances we put our best player ( by a million miles) out of action. A little bit of sense and care in traning please N. Still say NC will make the cut if we lose on Saturday...just saying

It must have been a mistimed tackle by Foxy or Guly, there can be no other explanation that will satisfy our mongs.

Pipe down happy clap.

Rockhopper wrote:
A serious injury like this should not have happened in training.
Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez.
If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

Rockhopper wrote:
A serious injury like this should not have happened in training.
Obviously a player wanted to make a point and kick Ramirez.
If there was any sign this was a deliberate or over-the-top challenge they should be disciplined/fined.

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

.... and mine.

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

If you have ever played football, you will know that sometimes pulling out of at tackle can cause as many problems as going through with it. It dosn't matter how much a player cost, he has to experience the rough and tumble of the Premier League, John Terry and co. aren't in the business of pulling out of tackles just because their opponent is on the expensive side.

training is not about "pulling out of tackles", you clearly have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Training is just that,,, training,,, oh no hang on a minute, I forgot you think they have to "learn" how to tackle in training.....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

.... and mine.

ever heard this quote "If you want to get on in this world you simply have to stand out from the crowd".... LOL....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

I don't think I have actually made an opinion about when he will be back, I haven't the slightest idea, if it went gangrenous he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, it's lucky we have modern medical facilities that can deal with sirtuations like this. I assumed your first estimate was based on the thread information that he would be out for six weeks, I looked at the Calendar and counted six weeks and it came up with December, easy wasn't it.

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

MGRA wrote:
or to put it another way,,,, its just gravity that works it magic.... If you Mr D throw an apple in the air, it will return to earth at its own pace, not the pace you would want it to , no matter how eager you are to eat that apple ! :0)

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

angus mc coatup wrote:
where would we be without google

wonderful tool!!

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

So we are all agreed then, under no circumstance should he return before December or we will all have egg on our faces. On a serious front I hope they don't try to rush him back before he is 100% ready, that could only worsten the problem.

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

Jesus 'H' Christ...

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

slugger wrote:

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

Jesus 'H' Christ...

exactly !

St Retford wrote:

slugger wrote:

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

Jesus 'H' Christ...

exactly !

I've never read anything on the Internet that has made me quite so certain its author is, 'shall we say', a grade A knobwand. Does anyone 'concur with my thoughts'?

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar

ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar

ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar


ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....

Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !

I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:
the best thing about the posters here who have their caps over their eyes is that there are clearly three or four occassional posters here who are obviously "close to the party" and who from time to time post stuff that most miss, they usally get slaughtered by the "true supporters" but I think I have worked out who one of them is and the other two dip out when it gets a bit heated but they are clearly knowledgable. The time the sturrock-trouser-dar



ning episode was mentioned, one poster was clearly there and was so obviously posting from 1st hand experience yet the Sherlocks on here missed it.....sort of like the masons, but more fun....

Can you name these three or four close to the party posters so that I can show them the respect that they deserve, I would hate to dis a genuine guy. Once again you come up inuendo but say nothing relevant.

Let me see now, TEBOURBA is missing tonight, Snebs?, Doubting Thomas?, he is on another thread, not to mention GHK, I can't think of any others that match the description can you?

slugger wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !

I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.

you wont be playing til december ..... FACT !

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

they're training in cars ? ........ shocking !

I tried Morris Dancing once, dangerous, I fell off the bonnet and got a dead leg.

you wont be playing til december ..... FACT !

That's a lame excuse.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

It's a nice pint I believe?

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

quality.... must call it a night..... you know I am legit and you know I can't tell more....and you know I know stuff... until next time... adios mi amigo...

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

It's a nice pint I believe?

MGRA wrote:
then the sad little gang of sherlocks could maybe investigate SFA directors past and present.... and then maybe they could investigate UK employment laws and EU directives on discrimination. Then maybe they could investigate the regulations on m******** *e*** and why football clubs are not excempt from these regulations and then maybe have a chat with Matty.... LOL....

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

MGRA wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:
He won't play before December.

stunning observation ....... you really do know everything !

come on , you have played footy I presume,,, you have seen the injury I presume,,, there is no way he will start a game before December..... "dead leg" my ar5e.... major muscle trauma cause by some idiot more like it.... ( we have been here before haven't we )

i'm a plumber and i'm an expert on plumbing ............ what are you ?

I am someone who know 5 plumbers....2 of whom are experts, only 1 of which I would use. I am an expert in being able to deduce the obvious from the obvious evidence in front of me. Anyone, even Osprey, should be able to work out that GR will kick a ball in anger again no sooner than December.... It was obvious from the minute his muscle trauma was "diluted" to the generic "dead leg".... I am not a pesimist, just a realist.

i think you're just full of carp , just my opinion mind .

your opinion based on nothing really... my opinion based on someone who accurately described his injury to me. So there in a nutshell we have it. I said it 2 weeks ago on this forum and I repeated it today and it will be the case. He will not be fit before December. 8 weeks for those injuries. Its as simple as that. Every hobby player I have every known with that injury has been out for 12 weeks, pros with the right support cut that down to 8 but anyone who though 4-6 for a major upper leg heamorage was away with the fairies....

you've claimed to be an expert in just about every topic i can think of ......... jack of all trades and master of none ?

I must be poor then If I am a master of none ?
Here is an idiots guide ( no offence ) to the slow process of reabsorption of hematomas.

They allow the broken down blood cells and hemoglobin pigment to move in the connective tissue with Gravity as the main determinant of this process.
Hematomas can reduce mobility of a member and present roughly the same symptoms as a fracture.
Slow movement allows disolving back into bloodstream.
The term "dead leg" does not really apply as an accurate diagnosis...

do me a favor , i got google too , along with everyone else .

google !! LOL !!!!! no this is basic stuff. Its all about bruising.... GCSE biology.... you dont need to google this.... Gravity and the human body from memory is year 10 stuff.

and you remembered that word for word

well done!

Ah...... to reference is to sin eh !?!? strange...... yes it was crafted from a GCSE source material..... back to the adult world, a customer of mine who I saw earlier tonight who shall we say is not alien to football punditry in the UK media concurs with my thoughts.... we both said "december" in unison.... oh and he told me a story about Lampard's Champions league final shirt that you would not believe....so.... I won't bother ;0) and I know you think I make all this up,, but the beauty of it all is that I am not and you really know that which is why you can't help yourself !! ;-)

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Snebs wrote:
This injury will define our season and if the tackle was intentional the player needs to be disciplined. Make no mistake this type of injury with possible muscle damage can easily be career ending. Not sure the management team are being totally honest abd are managing our expectations. The real concern is we put all our money and future into this player who, in the games played up till now, really did make us look a whole lot better. We cannot afford to be without him. I fear the worst from the next four games, which may well cement our return to the Championship.

it was not probably intentional but it shows how naive and 20th century Saints are in training... Our season will be defined by many things. Many posters here think its fine and "one of those things" for GR to have been crippled for 2 months by his own player who was "learning" how to tackle !?!?

MGRA - can you tell us exactly how the injury was caused, please? Sounds like you have some inside info.

yes it was caused by players feeling the need to give tackles 100% in training. Anyone that knows anything about football knows how odd that is.... that said, some "badged" poster here the other week thought it was ok to risk a 10 million player with "open season" training... anyway, thats by-the-by, the reality is that with an injury like that, he will not kick a ball in the Prem before December and anyone who thinks otherwise is an optimist... and I applaud that. But reality is reality.... human tissue heals in its own time and gimicks like O-tanks etc etc just "help"...

So your inside information is "that players felt the need to give tackes 100% in training"

Who did that come from? Someone who was there? Did no-one from Saints coaching staff know that this had happened?

You sound like you have an inside man - what *exactly* happened? Was it a "100%" tackle that caused the injury?



















Or are you just guessing?

no my "inside" information was not "inside" information,,, it was simply the information about what actually happened to GR... and is was not a "dead leg" in the common use of the word... regards what "actually happened", he got the same injury in training as someone gets in a car accident.... you think that through.....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

hedge end bob wrote:

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

hedge end bob wrote:

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???

I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

hedge end bob wrote:

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???

I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.

...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin.

Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was.

Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is ..........

........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger.

And me? I'm just confused - FACT!

Remember, you heard it here first!

Saintcosser wrote:
A dead leg doesn't necessarily come from a bad challenge, it can be sustained innoxiously and I speak from experience. When it happened to me I was simply shielding the ball from a teammate who slipped when trying to take the ball off me from behind. His knee hit the back of my standing leg around the thigh area and the impact created a bruise that ran from the top of my leg down to my ankle. Fortunately when I went to the hospital I didn’t require an operation, but I didn’t play footy again for over a month.

Tirau Dan wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

hedge end bob wrote:

Snebs wrote:
wow did i stirr up a lot of comments, good stuff too, way to go people. The truth of the matter is yes when you invest your whole season in one player, which effectively we have, then you do need to protect them. How you train where you play them and work with them to keep them away. as much as you can, from the hackers in the game. During the week of his injury we lost two players to dead legs in training one more serious than the other. So back to my point we were obviously running a drill that resulted in these injuries. Not good management by any standards. We need to survive this season, shipping goals like we are we definately will not survive. I dont see anything being done to reverse these results. Just saying guys or am I missing something?

First time i have seen your name on here, smells fishy to me???

I think a good pal of TEBOURBA if you know what I mean.

...... but whatever happened to Monticristo? I guess he went the same way as Bodin.

Although, maybe not. I have first-hand, very reliable, inside knowledge that Thomasupton is Bodmin the sequel, just as Tebourba is/was Monticristo and MGRA isn't Snebs but wishes he was.

Oh, and Osprey is St Halo and Angus is one and the same as Horse101, Confucious is Seedhouse who is also Aunt Elpeth, HedgeEndBob is also IOWFran, Velleity is Randre, Dadofmy3sons is Alice'sCat, Yorkie is Bill or Puppy (not sure which), Retford could be both, RedArmy1 is really REDARMY1NOSURRENDER and Slugger is ..........

........... well, he doesn't have time to be anyone else but Slugger.

And me? I'm just confused - FACT!

Remember, you heard it here first!

and Stras is... on the beer ;p

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.

Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.

MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.

MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.

keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.

Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!

Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Lucky fellow, that's a gem to keep in his album, as our expert MGRA has said there may be some nerve damage which needs to settle down, trying to get back too early would only cause more problems, but we are renowned for having the best medical facilities and in them we trust.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
truth is that mgra knows as little as the rest of us ........ if he was the knowall he pretends to be he'd back it up with a fact or two (that can't be googled) ....... he can't do that and we all know why ! ................. it ain't rocket science friends .

or he would fall foul of that fact this is a public forum and the echo have to consider what is reasonable to be posted here. You can find as a matter of public record who have been directors of SFC and then play "yes" or "no" questions if you like..... you won't of course....

that can be googled ......... do you want a google contest ? .......... i suggest that you'd win .

go for it then,,, ask about directors....

nice pint , what's the abv ?

oh and maybe research female directors and why they left....

To save us the bother of researching why don't you just tell us straight out, inuendo is no use without proof.

MGRA, I couldn't wait for your response,I did some research on Female Directors at the Club, only found one, Lindsay Hyde who was in Human Resources and left in February 2011, but couldn't find anything untoward about the departure, we don't have any Directors as such at the moment, just heads of departments, and all seems to be in order. MGRA I guess your mischief post was insinuating some sort of sexist reason for her departure? If indeed this is the person you are referring to, there is no evidence of any accusation as far as I can see. As usual, if there is anything less than savoury, it has all been kept in house. Every institution of any kind will have skeletons in their cupboards and no doubt in years to come, some truths may come out. If you have something to say, give out the full details not just snide hints which you may have come by in hearsay. The Sun would pay you a lot of money if you can dig the dirt, but it must be credible, as you seem determined to undermine everything that NC stands for, there is your chance, but be very careful about what you say, it could come back and bite you, your attempt at inuendo is not clever and not funny, if you cannot back it up I suggest you keep it to yourself. Just for once I am being serious.

keep going sherlock... you may have taken a wrong turn ( or several )... but you have illustrated one thing, its not hard to find out facts... my post was not insinuating anything. I did not say "female directors of saints", I said "female directors". I mean't in general in football clubs nationally....

So just mischief then, if it is nothing to do with Saints it has no place on this thread.

st1halo wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

I think the debate is going on because you come across as straight out of the playground

Here are some clues (to be spoken in a girlie but pompous voice)

I know someting about Frank Lampards shirt but Im not telling youuu!
Dont you know its level 10 gcse biology
I know lots of secret things but cant tell!
You all know Im the smartest person ever but dont want to admit it!

and finally, your post on the England thread the other day...Why would anyone pay to watch a 3rd rate football team anyway, I just dont get it!!


Really? I think you are a WUM

STID

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.

I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.

I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....

MGRA wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
My nipper had his photo taken with GR last weekend, not a limp, crutch or wheelchair in sight, so maybe he's not as bad as we all fear.

Clyne is hopefully back tomorrow anyway.... some cheery news. Regards all the debate on why people think I am a d1ckhead for stating I think GR will be out until December, a mate of mine who works on professional sportsmen rehabilitation summed it up pretty well. "minor nerve damage is the thing that takes the longest time to heal and until that process is complete, competition is risking further injury, particularly to groin and knee"

It's not your claim about December (that's in the article, if you hadn't noticed), it's more your claim to know what's going on at the club that makes people think there's less to you than meets the eye.

I only know what I know based on what I see and am told. I only believe what I am told if I can verify it to be true. I know somethings that I can not print here but I don't get why that is so "playground". Any idiot knows you can not say what you like on a public forum.... but it is possible to lay breadcrumbs to the gingerbread house now and then..... So what if I have some contacts in football ?? whats the big deal ?? Some things I can print , others I can not. For example I know 100% that a certain candidate who is on the media and bookies shortlist for a currently vacant managers job will NOT take the job. yet odds are still being offered on him being the next manager.....how do I know this ? pretty simple really, I know him ! Why would it not be appropriate to post details here ? because he has not yet made a public statement. Its all about what you should and should not say but its no big deal....

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Now then Strassie you know I have only had two post names OSPREYSAINT and Saintdon13 when the Ospreysaint name was compromised by a troll. Any other references to other posts are simply not me. I may be a tease but a WUM / Troll I definitely am not.

Morning, Osprey. You were busy last night, stellar work!

In fact, that copycat troll was on my mind when I wrote that post. To be fair, someone did the same to GHK and it all got very confusing.

I'm sure there are some WUMs on here who post as two different people to back up their arguments. However, I have absolutely NO evidence to back that arguement up - FACT!

Absolutely Strassie, only they know, and only they know why they do what they do, it is sad that some genuine ones get blasted because of the antics of the wrong'uns and don't come back, when it should be an open Forum where everyone can air their views, as soon as a poster resorts to personal abuse I disregard anything they say.

What do think is MGRA up to? Is it genuinenly subversive or just a mischief maker?