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SOUTHAMPTON’S ambitious last minute bid to bring the World Cup football to the south looks to have ended.
The Football Association has told the Daily Echo there is “no chance” of the England 2018 bid team allowing the city to join the race.
After Portsmouth dramatically pulled out of the running last week, it was thought Southampton might be allowed to submit a late bid to plug a vast geographic gap between London, Bristol and Plymouth without a possible venue.
The leader of Portsmouth City Council, Gerald Vernon- Jackson, said he believed the FA would be keen to hear from Southampton, now his city was no longer in the running.
However, the England bid team – currently in Cape Town for today’s draw for the group stage of the 2010 World Cup – have now dashed that possibility.
A spokesman said the deadline had long since passed, and, despite Portsmouth pulling out, there was “no chance” of Southampton being allowed in.
He added that the tendering process had been long and competitive and to let the city in now would be impossible.
The news will come as a huge blow to the council, club and fans who were eager to see some of the globe’s best footballing talent playing at St Mary’s.
The deadline for expressing an interest in the possibility of being a host city was just two days after Markus Liebherr bought Saints, back in July.
Prior to that, the very existence of the club had been in doubt, meaning it was impossible for any bid to be launched by the council.
However, the council claimed they had never been invited to submit a bid by the South East England Development Agency (Seeda), who instead opted for Milton Keynes and Portsmouth.
In September, Nicola Cortese, the executive chairman of Southampton Football Club, said he would like St Mary’s to host World Cup football.
Seeda then lobbied the FA who told the club and council that there was no chance of them being allowed in – despite the deadline for submitting finalised bids not being until late November.
An Internet campaign, headed by Saints fan David Barrett, had collected more than 2,500 members in less than a week, with a view to showing the FA the level of support for a Southampton bid.
St Mary’s Stadium is bigger than six of the venues currently on the shortlist – some of which are still very much in the planning stages. It also meets the highest requirements as laid out by European football’s governing body UEFA.
Despite that, the final ten venues will be chosen on December 16, without Southampton being on the shortlist.
World football governing body FIFA will decide if England will host either the 2018 or 2022 World Cups in December next year.
Comments(59)
Sally Hamilton TT
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10:04am Fri 4 Dec 09
Jammy Donut
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10:04am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sally Hamilton TT
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10:04am Fri 4 Dec 09
Dorssaints
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10:08am Fri 4 Dec 09
slugger
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10:10am Fri 4 Dec 09
Dorssaints wrote:plymouth i think.
So who are the southern grounds, or is it only London in the South?
Sally Hamilton TT
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10:13am Fri 4 Dec 09
Andy Locks Heath
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10:13am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sainty saint saint
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10:17am Fri 4 Dec 09
Andy Locks Heath wrote:I agree with you... but I really can't work out why Saints can't bid (other than it being past deadline I'm guessing).
One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans. (Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.
Sally Hamilton TT
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10:18am Fri 4 Dec 09
normsted
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10:20am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sally Hamilton TT wrote:Yep you are the first to write a great post today.
What a surprise the football league have said that.. they dont like us plain and simple. I want us even more to get promoted to the championship now because that really will be 2 fingers up to the men that know nothing about football, and the feeling of pure passion you get watching your team play. See you all at Walsall! Am I 1st?
UTS
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10:43am Fri 4 Dec 09
St.David
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10:46am Fri 4 Dec 09
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
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10:50am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sulaiman Al Fahim
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10:55am Fri 4 Dec 09
UTS wrote:On the contrary, this is very much a news story.
"Huge blow" ???? Where This reeks of desperate sensationlist journalism. A total non story
AdrianSmith
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10:58am Fri 4 Dec 09
UTS wrote:What a gimp. Must be a bitter Pompey fan.
"Huge blow" ???? Where This reeks of desperate sensationlist journalism. A total non story
puppy saint
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11:12am Fri 4 Dec 09
Andy Locks Heath wrote:psychologically speaking......what does it mean if someone is obsessed with pies?
One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans. (Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.
Sainty saint saint
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11:13am Fri 4 Dec 09
St.David wrote:Different rules apply because the Football League and the Premier League are two distinct and separate businesses.
What is it with the football league?? It seemed at times during our nightmare in administration that they were happy we were in such trouble and were putting as many barriers in place to make an example of us. . . .Firmly believe if Marcus and his team had not stepped in we would be history now. . So a late bid to stage world cup games was a non starter. . And what is happening down the road?. . . Once again Pompey have become an amature club with their players playing for free!!. . Just seems like different rules apply!! Lets see them in the Championship next year!!! COYRs. .
The Moog
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11:18am Fri 4 Dec 09
St.David wrote:We missed the deadline and the FA have stuck by it - simple as that. I doubt there is any vendetta in there and certainly no reason for anyone to feel sorry for themselves or take it personally. Maybe if the FA had bent their own rules would all other clubs be chuntering 'bloody Saints, FA favourites'?
What is it with the football league?? It seemed at times during our nightmare in administration that they were happy we were in such trouble and were putting as many barriers in place to make an example of us. . . .Firmly believe if Marcus and his team had not stepped in we would be history now. . So a late bid to stage world cup games was a non starter. . And what is happening down the road?. . . Once again Pompey have become an amature club with their players playing for free!!. . Just seems like different rules apply!! Lets see them in the Championship next year!!! COYRs. .
Sainty saint saint
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11:19am Fri 4 Dec 09
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:I kind of see what you mean - but can these clubs afford to develop their infrastructure? If I was the FA I'd be worried about choosing a stadium that will require heavy investment by the club, which the club may not be able to afford - thus perpetuating the already fragile state of football finances in this country.
We already have the infrastructure in place. If a successful bid enables Plymouth or Bristol City to develop a similar infrastructure isn't that good for football? Just so long as our fishy friends do not benefit in any way I am very pleased.
Barney123
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11:21am Fri 4 Dec 09
StPete
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11:30am Fri 4 Dec 09
UTS wrote:Grumpy old git
"Huge blow" ???? Where
This reeks of desperate sensationlist journalism. A total non story
Ken Hutchinson
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11:31am Fri 4 Dec 09
southy
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11:44am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sally Hamilton TT wrote:its more off a case, even if southampton did make the dead line, it would still be very unlikely to be pick, has with plymouth and bristol there grounds are not just large enough, nore will would southampton even after they had extended the grounds.
What a surprise the football league have said that.. they dont like us plain and simple. I want us even more to get promoted to the championship now because that really will be 2 fingers up to the men that know nothing about football, and the feeling of pure passion you get watching your team play. See you all at Walsall! Am I 1st?
southy
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11:48am Fri 4 Dec 09
Sulaiman Al Fahim wrote:Sulaiman Al Fahim uts is one off the known edl supporters, and what it is, the echo will not say any thing good about that group. vendetta you be spot on. and he not the only one.
UTS wrote:On the contrary, this is very much a news story.
"Huge blow" ???? Where This reeks of desperate sensationlist journalism. A total non story
With due respect, it is clear you have a personal vendetta against the Southern Daily Echo, judging by your posts which only ever attack their stories - which most of us are perfectly satisfied with.
If you don't wish to discuss the matters at hand, then please do not comment just to launch unnecessary and pointless attacks.
St.David
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12:15pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Costa Baz
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12:16pm Fri 4 Dec 09
The Exiled Saint
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12:20pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allways the optimist
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12:23pm Fri 4 Dec 09
slugger wrote:WHAAAAAT! they let PLYMOUTH bid! and not Southampton! Plymouths stadium has 19,500 capacity.... only 2,000 more than the skates! we have a 32,000 seater, with the ability to upgrade to 40,000... they are prepared to allow a joint bid from plymouth and exeter (exeter have an 8,000 seater), in a remote part of the country, which is only famous because of AVIVA! and yet they dont let Southampton, home of the spitfire, a port, a city with one of the UK's most modern stadia, and where the titanic sailed from make a bid... this is a pathetic decision by the football league.. who's treatment of our club warrants a protest outside they're headquarters.
Dorssaints wrote: So who are the southern grounds, or is it only London in the South?plymouth i think.
Harleysaint
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12:27pm Fri 4 Dec 09
puppy saint wrote:Whilst not holding a degree in psychology myself I would hazard a Laymans guess that it stems back to your childhood!
Andy Locks Heath wrote: One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans. (Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.psychologically speaking......what does it mean if someone is obsessed with pies?
german bloodline rottweiler
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12:31pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allsaintsnocurves
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12:32pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allsaintsnocurves
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12:35pm Fri 4 Dec 09
german bloodline rottweiler wrote:Yeah I just imagine the meeting in the FA now...should we consider Southampton's bid? ...no the area it's in is skanky!! lol. hilarious!! Good one!
the thing is st marys itself is a nice modern stadium(a bit too similar to other grounds if you ask me)not much character.BUT the reason we didnt get it i think is because the area its in is skanky plain and simple.its a eye sore.i went to fc portos "dragao estadio" last month and i thought if st marys was in this kind of stting it would be awsome
puppy saint
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12:47pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Harleysaint wrote:I was born with a Fray Bentos in my mouth!
puppy saint wrote:Whilst not holding a degree in psychology myself I would hazard a Laymans guess that it stems back to your childhood! Were you perhaps not allowed them at birth?? Some well meaning parents back in the day were encouraged in the belief that Mothers milk was an adequate substitite. My own parents thankfully disregarded this, though well meaning,"Advice" and ensured that the whole family always had "PIES" on demand. As a result in my later life am able to walk past a Pie Shop on the odd occasion! Hope this helps Puppy!? SW: warm-long Could not eat one any other way!Andy Locks Heath wrote: One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans. (Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.psychologically speaking......what does it mean if someone is obsessed with pies?
allways the optimist
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12:47pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy
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1:00pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allsaintsnocurves wrote:have you look at what plans the other football clubs have got. at the moment st mary's is number 18 on the largest capacity grounds. even when they do the extension to 40,000 even that will not be enough, because of what other clubs are doing. many are looking at the 50,000 mark or more, and it will those grounds that the FA will look at first, and by the time these other clubs have done what they are doing it will push st marys down to number 25 and thats after st marys has increase its ground to 40.000. 40000 will not be enough, the FA will be looking how to get the max amount off money back to off set the cost of running it.
whatever Plymouth or Bristol do to make up the capacity for the worldcup it will only be by use of temporary seats! There is no way they will have a 40,000 seater stadium and keep it after the worldcup! So why is that going to be good for football infrastructure?
It would be better to use stadiums in the country that can sustain their position and actually benefit from it in the long term.
Southampton Heart
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1:05pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Saint Pete II
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2:07pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy wrote:St Mary's has been built to allow it to be extended to 55,000 - 40,000 is just a number given by the FA as minimum capacity for hosting world cup matches.
allsaintsnocurves wrote:have you look at what plans the other football clubs have got. at the moment st mary's is number 18 on the largest capacity grounds. even when they do the extension to 40,000 even that will not be enough, because of what other clubs are doing. many are looking at the 50,000 mark or more, and it will those grounds that the FA will look at first, and by the time these other clubs have done what they are doing it will push st marys down to number 25 and thats after st marys has increase its ground to 40.000. 40000 will not be enough, the FA will be looking how to get the max amount off money back to off set the cost of running it.
whatever Plymouth or Bristol do to make up the capacity for the worldcup it will only be by use of temporary seats! There is no way they will have a 40,000 seater stadium and keep it after the worldcup! So why is that going to be good for football infrastructure?
It would be better to use stadiums in the country that can sustain their position and actually benefit from it in the long term.
ray the turk
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2:10pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy
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2:29pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Saint Pete II wrote:though some one said extension would make it around the 43000 mark, then you also got to take into account its not just subject to football grounds it will also include any stadium that could a large capacity off people and fir a football pitch in it.
southy wrote:St Mary's has been built to allow it to be extended to 55,000 - 40,000 is just a number given by the FA as minimum capacity for hosting world cup matches.
allsaintsnocurves wrote:have you look at what plans the other football clubs have got. at the moment st mary's is number 18 on the largest capacity grounds. even when they do the extension to 40,000 even that will not be enough, because of what other clubs are doing. many are looking at the 50,000 mark or more, and it will those grounds that the FA will look at first, and by the time these other clubs have done what they are doing it will push st marys down to number 25 and thats after st marys has increase its ground to 40.000. 40000 will not be enough, the FA will be looking how to get the max amount off money back to off set the cost of running it.
whatever Plymouth or Bristol do to make up the capacity for the worldcup it will only be by use of temporary seats! There is no way they will have a 40,000 seater stadium and keep it after the worldcup! So why is that going to be good for football infrastructure?
It would be better to use stadiums in the country that can sustain their position and actually benefit from it in the long term.
The FA has not rejected the bid because of our stadium, infrastructure, state of the city, or personal dislike to us. Quite simply its because they do not ever bend the rules. We were past the deadline cos of administration and therefore cannot be allowed in.
Personally i think its ridiculous that the FA won't allow us to enter the race, but when have they ever gone back on their rules?
german bloodline rottweiler
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2:39pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allsaintsnocurves wrote:totally agree,bristol is a complete sh@@hole also.i do think though if sms was in a nice area we would of stood a better chance.come on.......would you like to go there if you were from foreign fields?(retorical question)
german bloodline rottweiler wrote:Yeah I just imagine the meeting in the FA now...should we consider Southampton's bid? ...no the area it's in is skanky!! lol. hilarious!! Good one!
the thing is st marys itself is a nice modern stadium(a bit too similar to other grounds if you ask me)not much character.BUT the reason we didnt get it i think is because the area its in is skanky plain and simple.its a eye sore.i went to fc portos "dragao estadio" last month and i thought if st marys was in this kind of stting it would be awsome
Okay firstly...the bid cities will have years to develop the surrounding areas before the worldcup actually arrives and have you ever been to Bristol??
Jesus_02
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2:41pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Andy Locks Heath wrote:smug git.
One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans.
(Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.
southy
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2:49pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Jesus_02 wrote:oh my another one who thinks he can walk on water.
Andy Locks Heath wrote:smug git.
One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans.
(Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.
Jesus_02
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2:56pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Southampton Heart
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2:56pm Fri 4 Dec 09
robhythe
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3:07pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Jesus_02
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3:11pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy wrote:In what way was my comment dishonest?
Jesus_02 wrote:oh my another one who thinks he can walk on water.
Andy Locks Heath wrote:smug git.
One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans.
(Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.
smug it might be, but its honest
Saintbob
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4:37pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy
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4:45pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Folkestone Saint
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4:54pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Linesman
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4:59pm Fri 4 Dec 09
allways the optimist wrote:Two points to make on this is that
Is there some hidden top class training facilities in Bristol then? they even let PORTSMOUTH bid, who's training ground is rented, and is on the outskirts of eastleigh! not to mention its stadium! the next time im in london, i will take 3 lots of Toblerone, with ''red and white forever'' written on them... and THROW them at the Football league offices!!
puppy saint
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5:29pm Fri 4 Dec 09
ray the turk wrote:Pieomania is a terrible affliction! And I need help with my addiction! It started off with a Fray Bentos but where it will end, I'm at a loss! That Plested shop in the old bus station was always a source of much frustration! Dinner money spent and far from home...those racks of pies made this young Pup groan! Those St. Anne's girls would giggle and pout but I didn't notice them about! Come to Piccolos for a latte? You can even have the one that looks quite tarty! But I was focused on a different tart... a meat filled beauty to warm the heart! Nose against glass with customers quein'...I realised then they would be my ruin! Those days are past and that shop has gone but my predicament carries on! 20 a day and I'm not stopping....no wonder my buttons just keep on popping! My tale of woe is not over yet and yes I do have some regrets! But on I go with my fixation...is there a pie shop at Bescot station? COYR!
Psychologically speaking, and I'm not too sure, Pieomania has no cure. The Plested variety is bit hazy, But recovery is achieved by adding gravy. Walls and Gingster, the upper crust.. is OK if you aren't too fussed. To cure oneself of this awful blight.. is to eat hot dogs every night. The rash will soon disappear, But the slop on your shirt front won't I fear.
Linesman
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6:01pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Sally Hamilton TT wrote:I am sorry if it upset someone to read that Pompey have, in fact, paid their players wages IN FULL, but that is the situation!
DONT YOU JUST LOVE READING THE HEADLINE..."POMPEY FAIL TO PAY THE PLAYERS WAGES FOR A SECOND TIME!"
Harleysaint
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7:36pm Fri 4 Dec 09
puppy saint wrote:So does not make you a bad man!!!
Harleysaint wrote:I was born with a Fray Bentos in my mouth!puppy saint wrote:Whilst not holding a degree in psychology myself I would hazard a Laymans guess that it stems back to your childhood! Were you perhaps not allowed them at birth?? Some well meaning parents back in the day were encouraged in the belief that Mothers milk was an adequate substitite. My own parents thankfully disregarded this, though well meaning,"Advice" and ensured that the whole family always had "PIES" on demand. As a result in my later life am able to walk past a Pie Shop on the odd occasion! Hope this helps Puppy!? SW: warm-long Could not eat one any other way!Andy Locks Heath wrote: One of the amusing things about about football fans is they are all convinced nobody else likes them. (Probably quite an astute observation when I come to think of it). But when it even extends to paranoia over the pen pushing administrators of League 1 who for some bizarre fanciful reason "hate" Southampton and contrive and plot to stop them hosting World Cup games you have to wonder at the mental health of some fans. (Actually the psychology behind this is that by convincing yourself you are a "victim" of some unspecified wrong it gives you the "victim" carte blanche to behave in any way you feel like without having to accept any guilt). But that's for another day.psychologically speaking......what does it mean if someone is obsessed with pies?
EvM
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8:05pm Fri 4 Dec 09
southy
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8:05pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Linesman wrote:humbug
Sally Hamilton TT wrote:I am sorry if it upset someone to read that Pompey have, in fact, paid their players wages IN FULL, but that is the situation!
DONT YOU JUST LOVE READING THE HEADLINE..."POMPEY FAIL TO PAY THE PLAYERS WAGES FOR A SECOND TIME!"
At this season of Peace and Goodwill to all men, I would have thought that it would have included these 'Glad tidings!'
joenice
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9:40pm Fri 4 Dec 09
Shareholder
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9:51am Sat 5 Dec 09
Linesman
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8:07pm Sat 5 Dec 09
southy wrote:Humbug?
Linesman wrote:humbugSally Hamilton TT wrote: DONT YOU JUST LOVE READING THE HEADLINE..."POMPEY FAIL TO PAY THE PLAYERS WAGES FOR A SECOND TIME!"I am sorry if it upset someone to read that Pompey have, in fact, paid their players wages IN FULL, but that is the situation! At this season of Peace and Goodwill to all men, I would have thought that it would have included these 'Glad tidings!'
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The Moog says...
10:03am Fri 4 Dec 09