Saints' lack of depth exposed (From Daily Echo)

Bit waffly. No more excuses, buy 2-3 real quality players in January to show you mean business. Don't assume everyone will be available assume worst case senario - injuries, suspensions, lack of form - and build a squad to deal with it. It's as simple as that.

Ok Nige, you saw what went wrong, deal with it and let's not have another performance like that.
Clean slate, and a good win at Walsall.

Least said, soonest mended. Let's just pretend that never happened and move on.

With so many of the top sides losing on Saturday and by all accounts not playing well it got me thinking that imo the fitness program of certain sides was geared to the Xmas fixtures i.e. 4 games in 9 days.
Anyone who has done something like a marathon will tell you that you train very hard in the period 4-2 weeks and then easy off and you will see the benefits a few weeks later.
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On Saturday it appeared as if we were heavy legged and were second to most balls, add in Nige's comments about the training being hard in the 2 weeks since the last game, suggests to me that the physical training was NOT geared to Saturday's game against brentford but for the Xmas period. (? Whether Nigel agreed with those tactics or somebody behind the scenes set the fitness program is another question ?).
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If I am correct we were not the only side to be looking ahead, i.e. Carlisle (one of the better sides in this league) lost to D&R (one of the worst sides i've seen all season); Charlton lost to the bottom side; Yeovil held Colchester etc.
Whereas SheffWed (who had lost their previous 2 games) and can I say Brentford looked "physically tuned" for Saturdays games.
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Which set of tactics prove the correct ones over Xmas and the RECOVERY period into the games in the New Year only time will tell, i.e. the weather could cause a lot of games to be postponed and sides might only have to play say 2 games instead of 4 over Xmas.

(What I mean by "RECOVERY period" is, if you have not TRAINED for 4 games in 9 days the players might get though those games but will almost certainly suffer a reaction afterwards).

Said on ere few weeks ago RL off to Newc...i got some stick for it, but he was going there b4 CH got the sack,now i think its obvious to all.......what do you do with a striker that knows hes going?some try their best to leave the fans with good memories and some go into the can,RL has sadly chosen the latter and the sooner he goes the better,for team morale etc

theres a big fire-sale comming in Jan

The manager and players seemed to have put their hands up that this was a bad performance..plain and simple.
Seabourne Jaidi and Martin are a caple trio. Butters and Dan Harding are able cover for Richardson who really has only just started back. Spider and Capt Hammond are fine players.. Yes some more players will come in in the window but the loss was nothing to do with depth in my humble opinion.. Credit to the Bees. Those at the game supported the managers spanking of the culprits and that should be that.
Hopefully next time we'll go two up and we'll get to see Ryan Doble and our classy young cohorts come on and show their stuff.

Tank Johnson wrote:
Said on ere few weeks ago RL off to Newc...i got some stick for it, but he was going there b4 CH got the sack,now i think its obvious to all.......what do you do with a striker that knows hes going?some try their best to leave the fans with good memories and some go into the can,RL has sadly chosen the latter and the sooner he goes the better,for team morale etc theres a big fire-sale comming in Jan

Hmmm.
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*Skeptical face*

Tirau Dan wrote:
The manager and players seemed to have put their hands up that this was a bad performance..plain and simple. Seabourne Jaidi and Martin are a caple trio. Butters and Dan Harding are able cover for Richardson who really has only just started back. Spider and Capt Hammond are fine players.. Yes some more players will come in in the window but the loss was nothing to do with depth in my humble opinion.. Credit to the Bees. Those at the game supported the managers spanking of the culprits and that should be that. Hopefully next time we'll go two up and we'll get to see Ryan Doble and our classy young cohorts come on and show their stuff.

I agree, these players were all capable of doing the job, on this day nobody competed as they should or could have, but it is strange that so many of the other "better" clubs did the same thing so it was not as damaging as it might have. I did predict that when injuries and suspensions kicked in that some clubs would struggle, just did not expect us to be one of them!

Sorry folks It was all my fault Thats the third home game I have missed this season (Plymouth Rochdale and Brentford )and we have lost them all It gets worse. I can't go again until the Charlton game at the end of January
SW well-club I really hope so

shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him
fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts
on this
guys and gals
sw=mine-path

it sure wil be in jan

saintsayer wrote:
Sorry folks It was all my fault Thats the third home game I have missed this season (Plymouth Rochdale and Brentford )and we have lost them all It gets worse. I can't go again until the Charlton game at the end of January SW well-club I really hope so

I bloody well hope you're not Jose Fonte.

insane saint wrote:
shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals sw=mine-path it sure wil be in jan

L1 appears to be his comfort zone whereas we should be looking for players who will still be able to do a job in the Championship

There is going to be a few players leaving in January. If you read NC article on BBC site it all is very apparent all his 'but if we were' comments are in fact what is happening. No more money, club up for sale etc. We had our chance last year and Pardew blew it. The appointment of Nigel was with all this in mind as he is very good at working with not much money

insane saint wrote:
shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals sw=mine-path it sure wil be in jan

Are you insane?

Gossie., Tracey T's neighbour says...
9:00am Mon 13 Dec 10

insane saint wrote:
shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals
Personally I don't want to see Saints go backwards in it's signings. BWP never really did anything at Saints.
We do need to buy in January though. We have a good squad, but it's not a great squad. The players who I think are safe to stay are: Bart, Kelvin, although I do think it's time to swap them around. Harding, Richardson, Butterfield, Fonte, Martin, as he is the future, Chaplow, Lallana, Oxo and Lee Barnard.
Add to that all the promising youngsters coming through. The rest need to be gradually replaced with good Championship players.
I know people will disagree, but these are my thoughts.
In January I would put Morgan and Rickie up for sale, put the money together with other monies available to strengthen the squad. I don't know who I would bring in, but N.A must have some targets. Whatever happens, please no more League 1 team of the year players please.

insane saint wrote: shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals

Personally I don't want to see Saints go backwards in it's signings. BWP never really did anything at Saints. We do need to buy in January though. We have a good squad, but it's not a great squad. The players who I think are safe to stay are: Bart, Kelvin, although I do think it's time to swap them around. Harding, Richardson, Butterfield, Fonte, Martin, as he is the future, Chaplow, Lallana, Oxo and Lee Barnard. Add to that all the promising youngsters coming through. The rest need to be gradually replaced with good Championship players. I know people will disagree, but these are my thoughts. In January I would put Morgan and Rickie up for sale, put the money together with other monies available to strengthen the squad. I don't know who I would bring in, but N.A must have some targets. Whatever happens, please no more League 1 team of the year players please.

Tirau Dan wrote:
The manager and players seemed to have put their hands up that this was a bad performance..plain and simple. Seabourne Jaidi and Martin are a caple trio. Butters and Dan Harding are able cover for Richardson who really has only just started back. Spider and Capt Hammond are fine players.. Yes some more players will come in in the window but the loss was nothing to do with depth in my humble opinion.. Credit to the Bees. Those at the game supported the managers spanking of the culprits and that should be that. Hopefully next time we'll go two up and we'll get to see Ryan Doble and our classy young cohorts come on and show their stuff.

Dan, it was more than a bad performance. The players on the park were the ones that make the numbers up and do a reasonable job most weeks but none of them have that spark that can change a game. Whereas Fonte can keep it solid at the back and move the ball forward with purpose, Chappers can drive forward with energy and Barney can hustle and bustle all over the box - trust me our lack of depth showed. Also there were no "impact" subs on the bench. If he was brave he would have given Doble a run out in the second half, there was nothing to lose and possibly all to gain.

If we are serious about climbing the leagues this is the cheap bit. It wont take much investment to add 2-3 good players at this level whereas when it comes to getting out of the Championship or staying in the Prem it will take huge sums.

Everyone needs to see the club commit now, to put it's money where its mouth is, and by everyone I include the good youngsters like Adam and Oxo, they need to see the club is serious about going places which will help them decided to stay. The potential sponsors also need to see it as do the fans. This is now about momentum. January will tell us, one way or the other, what we all want to know.

sw vote-fine I hope so!

Tank Johnson wrote:
Said on ere few weeks ago RL off to Newc...i got some stick for it, but he was going there b4 CH got the sack,now i think its obvious to all.......what do you do with a striker that knows hes going?some try their best to leave the fans with good memories and some go into the can,RL has sadly chosen the latter and the sooner he goes the better,for team morale etc

theres a big fire-sale comming in Jan

Are you the same Tank that was on here last week stating unequivocally that you had the inside track on persistent rumours 'in the city' that Saints were about to be sold.........?

How does this look for a January shopping list?
Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers
Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly.
And play Lallana down the middle more often.
Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
How does this look for a January shopping list? Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly. And play Lallana down the middle more often. Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Sounds good to me, although I still hope that Rickie given competition for his place, can regain last seasons form.

SaintL-Y, Cotswold Country says...
1:00pm Mon 13 Dec 10



theres a big fire-sale comming in Jan
Are you the same Tank that was on here last week stating unequivocally that you had the inside track on persistent rumours 'in the city' that Saints were about to be sold.........?
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Ive never said Saints would be sold or that i have any inside track Sir

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We need to put this behind us now and concentrate on winning at Walsall. I hope the players realise how sh*t they were and really go for it on Saturday! We need a good solid run of results and I think Xmas will define our season.

saintsayer wrote:

insane saint wrote:
shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals sw=mine-path it sure wil be in jan

L1 appears to be his comfort zone whereas we should be looking for players who will still be able to do a job in the Championship

Thank god someone answered him... It's about the fourth time the same comment has been posted...

Sack the board and bring back the duck murderer,,,,

January shopping list should include 1 x central midfielder (2, if you include Chaplow), 2 x wingers, 2 x strikers.

saintlippe wrote:
January shopping list should include 1 x central midfielder (2, if you include Chaplow), 2 x wingers, 2 x strikers.

All would be nice, but think a centre back is also needed and more urgent than a second winger or second centre mid.

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote: How does this look for a January shopping list? Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly. And play Lallana down the middle more often. Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Sounds good to me, although I still hope that Rickie given competition for his place, can regain last seasons form.

Replied earlier to you, Seedhouse, but it must have gone into cyberspace.
I agree, I hope Ricky improves but, from what I saw against B'muff and Carlisle, he has a hell of a lot to do. Maybe, as others have suggested, he (and others? Spiderman?) knows he's leaving in January and is playing 'mustn't-get-injured
-before-my-January-m
ove' football.
I gather you, Bill and Slugger had a bit of a bash at the w/e. Any idea how the hangovers coped with Monday morning?

Message to all SAINTS fans - get off Rickie's back. Last season was the first time for many seasons that SAINTS had a striker who was regularly hitting the net. I remember watching Worthington, Kerry Dixon, Colin Clarke all strikers who never scored as many goals as Rickie. OK he has not been the same player so far this season but he just needs abit of luck to turn things round and some players to weigh in with some goals like Papa and Antonio did - he hasn't become a bad player overnight he just needs the fans to stick with him.
It seems that everyone is having a go at him, but what about the other players in the side who are not playing particularly well either. I think it is somewhat ironic that the comments made on the threads over the weekend were that Rickie was not interested - I'm sorry but I didn't see one player on that pitch on Saturday who was interested - give the guy a break.
Do you really see Newcastle cashing in on Andy Carroll and replacing him with Rickie - I don't think so. I'm more concerned by AP coming in for Lallana.

it was a bad day at the office but luckily nearly every else apart from the Owls came unstuck also.

Walsall will probably get a good
thrashing :-)

As for Ricky give him a break---please

Saints4Eva wrote:
Message to all SAINTS fans - get off Rickie's back. Last season was the first time for many seasons that SAINTS had a striker who was regularly hitting the net. I remember watching Worthington, Kerry Dixon, Colin Clarke all strikers who never scored as many goals as Rickie. OK he has not been the same player so far this season but he just needs abit of luck to turn things round and some players to weigh in with some goals like Papa and Antonio did - he hasn't become a bad player overnight he just needs the fans to stick with him. It seems that everyone is having a go at him, but what about the other players in the side who are not playing particularly well either. I think it is somewhat ironic that the comments made on the threads over the weekend were that Rickie was not interested - I'm sorry but I didn't see one player on that pitch on Saturday who was interested - give the guy a break. Do you really see Newcastle cashing in on Andy Carroll and replacing him with Rickie - I don't think so. I'm more concerned by AP coming in for Lallana.

I'm not getting on Ricky's back. I hope he comes good.
Others have seen more of him than I have, but on the evidence of the two games I have seen this year and his woeful scoring record, the best he can expect is a place on the bench. Blame complacency, bad luck, lack of interest or a dip in form, he isn't performing well enough to warrant a start and he surely knows this. His place is only safe because others are injured, inexperienced or weren't signed in the summer. No one has an automatic right to a starting place just because of their past achievements. Matt Le Tiss was wonderful but I wouldn't offer him a contract today.
As for the other strikers mentioned above, they were playing in a higher league. It's not really a fair comparison.

There are 15 points at stake before we can possibly get any new players in. We are currently 8 points off the top. I reckon after 3rd Jan, we'll be 15 points off the top. We are really playing poorly. When we've won this season, we have had, for a change, a lot of luck. Can't rely on that for the second half of the season. It's difficult to pinpoint the problem, but we certainly need a captain who can inspire and command respect on the field - Oh! Graeme Murty, why did you have to get injured. For my money, he was captain-in-waiting. However, we need someone of stature who can get us functioning as a TEAM.

Tony Robertson wrote:
There are 15 points at stake before we can possibly get any new players in. We are currently 8 points off the top. I reckon after 3rd Jan, we'll be 15 points off the top. We are really playing poorly. When we've won this season, we have had, for a change, a lot of luck. Can't rely on that for the second half of the season. It's difficult to pinpoint the problem, but we certainly need a captain who can inspire and command respect on the field - Oh! Graeme Murty, why did you have to get injured. For my money, he was captain-in-waiting. However, we need someone of stature who can get us functioning as a TEAM.

Totally agree, Tony. Would give armband to Fonte or Chaplow (if signed) from January. Hammond is useful back up but I've yet to see him really take up the Captain's role effectively.

Please stop this post-match waffling Nigel. We had enough of that under Pardew. Dont tell us where things went wrong after the match. Its your job to sort things out before. SFC was supposed to have the strongest squad in League one, Championship standard it was said. Now all we hear is about out "lack of depth" which was abuntantly clear to all on Saturday. Lets pray for some terrible weather until January so that our matches before then can be postphoned? Then get shot of the deadwood like Lambert and Connolly and some of the other bad buys, injury prones, etc. With the cash get in some real quality to try to rescue the situation this season. Not another year in league one please!

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote: How does this look for a January shopping list? Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly. And play Lallana down the middle more often. Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Sounds good to me, although I still hope that Rickie given competition for his place, can regain last seasons form.

Replied earlier to you, Seedhouse, but it must have gone into cyberspace. I agree, I hope Ricky improves but, from what I saw against B'muff and Carlisle, he has a hell of a lot to do. Maybe, as others have suggested, he (and others? Spiderman?) knows he's leaving in January and is playing 'mustn't-get-injured -before-my-January-m ove' football. I gather you, Bill and Slugger had a bit of a bash at the w/e. Any idea how the hangovers coped with Monday morning?

it was hell mate but someone had to do it,that corperate malarky is bad for ones liver !!
on reflection we missed an oppertutiny to close the gap on saturday but it's not a disaster,can't see us playing that badly again trhis season.....don't belive the doom mongers,we will be properly financed.....mark my words !!!!

Let's get real. We are supposed to have the best "squad" in L1. We don't. We have a few quality players, and the others just make up the numbers. This is almost the same side we had playing last season, only last season Lambert was scoring for fun, something he cannot manage two seasons on the trott. Nigel Adkins has made a huge mistake in letting players go out on loan when we brought no-one in. We cannot reply on Fonte, Lallana and errr... to get us promoted. Nigel is out of his depth at a club with big ambitions, he done a blinding job at Scunny but on a limited budget and they went between L1 and CCC on more than one occasion. NC obviously wants a "yes" man and in Adkins that's what he has. Ship out the dead wood and get some hungry players inn. End of rant!

slugger wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote: How does this look for a January shopping list? Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly. And play Lallana down the middle more often. Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Sounds good to me, although I still hope that Rickie given competition for his place, can regain last seasons form.

Replied earlier to you, Seedhouse, but it must have gone into cyberspace. I agree, I hope Ricky improves but, from what I saw against B'muff and Carlisle, he has a hell of a lot to do. Maybe, as others have suggested, he (and others? Spiderman?) knows he's leaving in January and is playing 'mustn't-get-injured -before-my-January-m ove' football. I gather you, Bill and Slugger had a bit of a bash at the w/e. Any idea how the hangovers coped with Monday morning?

it was hell mate but someone had to do it,that corperate malarky is bad for ones liver !! on reflection we missed an oppertutiny to close the gap on saturday but it's not a disaster,can't see us playing that badly again trhis season.....don't belive the doom mongers,we will be properly financed.....mark my words !!!!

I was fine....but then again...I do have this week off work! As for Saturday, yes we were bad...but once again, many on here are too quick to jump on the "clear them out" bandwagon. They need to get a grip and realise that it just doesn't work like that. For me, this is the first real set-back for Adkins since he has settled in....be interesting to see how he copes with it!

Re-read the above.

Adkins admitted: “We didn’t anticipate before the loan window would shut that Lee Holmes and Lee Barnard would be out.

NIGEL - YOU ARE THE MANAGER and you can't get away with statements like the above.

All the fans have told you that we wanted a pacey goalscoring midfielder and an extra Striker on the bench during the loan period.

The cupboard is bare - we have no-one. We have got rid of Punch on loan so no option have to play Oxy-C. We have no additional Striker so when Barney is injured (like his Red Card earlier in the season) - Saints are screwed.

More of the truth : I'm not that optimistic about the Weekend game vs Walsall (although I'm going) and don't think Saints will be firing on all cylinders until Barney is back.

I hope we have the sense to play our best players this Saturday and have options on the bench. The reality is that there are no Option Subs any more.

Nigel has been too tight with the purse strings and has loaned out players and the squad has been pruned so we have no-one.

I don't wanna hear that Managers did not anticipate - NIGEL the fans have told you that you need to have different options and surplus manpower for the "what-if" scenarios.

I hope the Chairman reads this and gives you a "right kick up the arse"

The fans demand that Saints WIN 3-0 on Saturday... nothing else will do.

Finally in the secret society we now have at Saints where no-one tells us anything about injuries or whether Barney has had a Hernia Op - What's the fuc*ing point ??

By concealing our injuries -We don't conceal our tactics from the opposition - we frustrate our fans - and we pitch up on a Saturday at 3pm with the B Team or C Team and then we lose.

Get a grip and WIN Saturday.

Red Army. COYR

P.S. Don't like what I've gotta say then don't read it - simple.

Saints4Eva wrote:
Message to all SAINTS fans - get off Rickie's back. Last season was the first time for many seasons that SAINTS had a striker who was regularly hitting the net. I remember watching Worthington, Kerry Dixon, Colin Clarke all strikers who never scored as many goals as Rickie. OK he has not been the same player so far this season but he just needs abit of luck to turn things round and some players to weigh in with some goals like Papa and Antonio did - he hasn't become a bad player overnight he just needs the fans to stick with him.
It seems that everyone is having a go at him, but what about the other players in the side who are not playing particularly well either. I think it is somewhat ironic that the comments made on the threads over the weekend were that Rickie was not interested - I'm sorry but I didn't see one player on that pitch on Saturday who was interested - give the guy a break.
Do you really see Newcastle cashing in on Andy Carroll and replacing him with Rickie - I don't think so. I'm more concerned by AP coming in for Lallana.

Lambert's turned a bad player over-night...

number7 wrote:

Saints4Eva wrote:
Message to all SAINTS fans - get off Rickie's back. Last season was the first time for many seasons that SAINTS had a striker who was regularly hitting the net. I remember watching Worthington, Kerry Dixon, Colin Clarke all strikers who never scored as many goals as Rickie. OK he has not been the same player so far this season but he just needs abit of luck to turn things round and some players to weigh in with some goals like Papa and Antonio did - he hasn't become a bad player overnight he just needs the fans to stick with him.
It seems that everyone is having a go at him, but what about the other players in the side who are not playing particularly well either. I think it is somewhat ironic that the comments made on the threads over the weekend were that Rickie was not interested - I'm sorry but I didn't see one player on that pitch on Saturday who was interested - give the guy a break.
Do you really see Newcastle cashing in on Andy Carroll and replacing him with Rickie - I don't think so. I'm more concerned by AP coming in for Lallana.

Lambert's turned a bad player over-night...

I like Rickie but what has happened ???

Nigel has changed the system with lots of elaborate passing but it doesn't suit Rickie's style of play.

Watched him Saturday and instead of striding on and getting in that shot on the goal - he passed it sideways.

This whole style of play is affecting his confidence.

We need to pass the ball as we move the ball up the field but can't the club meet Rickie half way and let him play to style and way of playing ?

COYR

Basically teams have sussed us out,all they need to do is double up on Lallana and Chamberlaine and we are screwed.The spine of our team offers no real attacking threat.Schneiderlin is just neat and tidy at best,Hammond is fine as a better version of Paul Wotton,but very limited.Lambert`s lack of pace and movement mean he`s easily snuffed out and Guly is fine only against poor quality teams.Which only leaves Barnard as a genuine goal threat,hence Fonte stepping up to the plate and bagging more goals from open play than Ricardo.We are clearly to fragile and inconsistent to make the auto spots so i reckon we should settle for the play offs now.We blew it with the Pardew sacking make no mistake about it,he had the players onside.

Red Army please explain how I can decide if I don't like what you say if I havn't read it
I think you are a tad deluded if you think any manager is going to take notice of a bunch of would be managers masquerading as fans.
An average gate of 20k this year would produce about 15k solutions to any single problem
My thoughts
1 Change the keeper
2 Sign a goal scoring mid -field player
3 Sign Chaplow and sell either Hamond or Spiderman
4 Release Connely and Guly
5 Sign the 2 best strikers we can afford

Baddesley Bill wrote:

slugger wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote: How does this look for a January shopping list? Sign 1) centre back, 2) Chaplow 3) left winger 4) two new strikers Squad that will take us through to May(from defence to attack): KD&BB, FR&DB, RD&DH, JF&AM (plus RJ or DS & new centre back), AL, AO-C, MS, RC, DH, OG, HDean (plus new left winger), LB, RD (plus 2 new strikers). OUT: one centre back, Punch, Pulis, Wotton, Guly, Ricky, Connolly. And play Lallana down the middle more often. Any idea who could be those signings? Austin?

Sounds good to me, although I still hope that Rickie given competition for his place, can regain last seasons form.

Replied earlier to you, Seedhouse, but it must have gone into cyberspace. I agree, I hope Ricky improves but, from what I saw against B'muff and Carlisle, he has a hell of a lot to do. Maybe, as others have suggested, he (and others? Spiderman?) knows he's leaving in January and is playing 'mustn't-get-injured -before-my-January-m ove' football. I gather you, Bill and Slugger had a bit of a bash at the w/e. Any idea how the hangovers coped with Monday morning?

it was hell mate but someone had to do it,that corperate malarky is bad for ones liver !! on reflection we missed an oppertutiny to close the gap on saturday but it's not a disaster,can't see us playing that badly again trhis season.....don't belive the doom mongers,we will be properly financed.....mark my words !!!!

I was fine....but then again...I do have this week off work! As for Saturday, yes we were bad...but once again, many on here are too quick to jump on the "clear them out" bandwagon. They need to get a grip and realise that it just doesn't work like that. For me, this is the first real set-back for Adkins since he has settled in....be interesting to see how he copes with it!

Yo Bill!....Look at you and slugger going all corporate on your own arses!
(Jealousy is a terrible thing)....Loved NC's interview on the BEEB....If "The Longterm Plan" is for real I find myself assured and reassured...Downside remains...Why were we so poor....?

Just completed the Christmas Tree and put up 3 Saints baubles for the 3 goals Saints are going to score on Saturday.

Problem is that there is no Barney - so who is going to score the goals - maybe Lallana - Guly and Fonte ?

COYR

saintsayer wrote:
Red Army please explain how I can decide if I don't like what you say if I havn't read it
I think you are a tad deluded if you think any manager is going to take notice of a bunch of would be managers masquerading as fans.
An average gate of 20k this year would produce about 15k solutions to any single problem
My thoughts
1 Change the keeper
2 Sign a goal scoring mid -field player
3 Sign Chaplow and sell either Hamond or Spiderman
4 Release Connely and Guly
5 Sign the 2 best strikers we can afford

Your solution would work 1-5 because releasing Connolly - getting one or more Strikers - Signing Chaplow - Putting Bart between the sticks would mean a big improvement to what we are faced with now.

Not even tad deluded about the reality of the situation. If the general consensus of posts say the same thing then probably the fans are right on the money regarding the way ahead and solutions to current problems and if that is reflected in the Echo as well then we are on to a winner.

Nigel can't ignore the current reality and what is obvious to most fans.

On top of that the Daily echo publishes a cross section of the posts that fans contribute and that has a wide circulation - so in my view the more fans contribute so much the better.

Regarding my post tonight -if you have read previous ones and do not agree or rather not read cos you know what's coming up - then ignore my post and read about something more interesting like PinkScarf putting up the Xmas baubles.

Red Army. COYR

What will happen in April when the club goes bust?
Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games?

And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

Atpost wrote:
What will happen in April when the club goes bust? Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games? And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

yawn

Atpost wrote:
What will happen in April when the club goes bust? Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games? And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

Sorry which team/club are you talking about?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Atpost wrote: What will happen in April when the club goes bust? Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games? And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

Sorry which team/club are you talking about?

the st Mary's Fairies of course
The mafia money is on the move already. Announcement of withdrawal is scheduled for easter friday

sign that hoskins geezer from bristol rovers he looks the mutts nuts.swap him for lambo !

Watch your language boys and girls or Atpost Mincer Head might think you're trying to act tough and your posts are not as important as his/hers repetitive and boring comment about us going bust in April.

M27-W wrote:
Watch your language boys and girls or Atpost Mincer Head might think you're trying to act tough and your posts are not as important as his/hers repetitive and boring comment about us going bust in April.

Well said.
Your immature torrent of abuse at the weekend was not nice. People who swear with such frequency need to find redemption

Atpost wrote:

M27-W wrote:
Watch your language boys and girls or Atpost Mincer Head might think you're trying to act tough and your posts are not as important as his/hers repetitive and boring comment about us going bust in April.

Well said.
Your immature torrent of abuse at the weekend was not nice. People who swear with such frequency need to find redemption

Atpost - what you don't realise is that M27-W is a nice person to chat about football and loves cider before the Saints Game - nothing wrong with that !

Red Army COYR

RedArmy1 wrote:

saintsayer wrote:
Red Army please explain how I can decide if I don't like what you say if I havn't read it
I think you are a tad deluded if you think any manager is going to take notice of a bunch of would be managers masquerading as fans.
An average gate of 20k this year would produce about 15k solutions to any single problem
My thoughts
1 Change the keeper
2 Sign a goal scoring mid -field player
3 Sign Chaplow and sell either Hamond or Spiderman
4 Release Connely and Guly
5 Sign the 2 best strikers we can afford

Your solution would work 1-5 because releasing Connolly - getting one or more Strikers - Signing Chaplow - Putting Bart between the sticks would mean a big improvement to what we are faced with now.

Not even tad deluded about the reality of the situation. If the general consensus of posts say the same thing then probably the fans are right on the money regarding the way ahead and solutions to current problems and if that is reflected in the Echo as well then we are on to a winner.

Nigel can't ignore the current reality and what is obvious to most fans.

On top of that the Daily echo publishes a cross section of the posts that fans contribute and that has a wide circulation - so in my view the more fans contribute so much the better.

Regarding my post tonight -if you have read previous ones and do not agree or rather not read cos you know what's coming up - then ignore my post and read about something more interesting like PinkScarf putting up the Xmas baubles.

Red Army. COYR

Agree with most of what your saying but i think Davis is still our no1 Keeper,i really hope Bart gets his chance at some point and he stays patient but i feel people are to quick to criticise Davis who admittedly had a right stinker Saturday but it`s good to remember he earned us a point against Brighton and saved 2 points with the brilliant last minute save against Oldham.Yes we definitely need another Striker,and get rid of either Connolly or Guly but when you consider last season we had Papa,Antonio,Lallana
,Holmes,Puncheon and Mills to play out wide and now we have only Lallana left out of them with a brilliant but young Oxo under pressure to perform every week and that aint right.Plus if Chaplow isnt fit i`d give Gobern a go in the middle with Hammond..cant be worse than sideways Spiderman

PinkScarf wrote:
Just completed the Christmas Tree and put up 3 Saints baubles for the 3 goals Saints are going to score on Saturday. Problem is that there is no Barney - so who is going to score the goals - maybe Lallana - Guly and Fonte ? COYR

Nice to get back to some positive thoughts. It was one game...the team doesn't suddenly become terrible. They played badly and met a team on a good run. Good win on Saturday and everyone will be cheery again, but the team will not have changed fundamentally. We'll still need new players in. I'll go for 1.0 (in off RL's behind) but 3.0 will be nice.

RedArmy1 wrote:

Atpost wrote:

M27-W wrote: Watch your language boys and girls or Atpost Mincer Head might think you're trying to act tough and your posts are not as important as his/hers repetitive and boring comment about us going bust in April.

Well said. Your immature torrent of abuse at the weekend was not nice. People who swear with such frequency need to find redemption

Atpost - what you don't realise is that M27-W is a nice person to chat about football and loves cider before the Saints Game - nothing wrong with that ! Red Army COYR

Red Army1.
I've got a slight touch of tourettes and I'm well hard as well!

Still think Nigel Adkin needed to do more than he did with what he had available on Sat. Switching Gully and Chamberlain at half time was worth trying, but after 60 mins he needed to show everyone including Brentford that we had more to offer. I would have taken off Gully or Lambert, switched Lallana into the middle and put on Harding to link up in front of Dickson on the left to provide crosses. To freeze like Adkins did was not acceptable, and to leave it until 82 mins before using a sub was not acceptable. We have alot more options than the 11 on the pitch, even without Barnard, Fonte, Holmes and Chaplow, as well as the four players Nigel has chosen to send out on loan. Nigel, please don't ever do that to us again.

Why doesn't NA start with Connelly and see if we can get a couple of early goals and then replace him instead of relying on an out of form RL and Guly when we're short.
It could be worth a go and we might be able to do what everyone else seems to do with Saints.
Get an early goal and draw the other team out so we can hit them on the break with Oxo and Lalla etc.
Oh I nearly forgot to act tough...SH*T.
Aah that's better.

M27-W wrote:
Why doesn't NA start with Connelly and see if we can get a couple of early goals and then replace him instead of relying on an out of form RL and Guly when we're short. It could be worth a go and we might be able to do what everyone else seems to do with Saints. Get an early goal and draw the other team out so we can hit them on the break with Oxo and Lalla etc. Oh I nearly forgot to act tough...SH*T. Aah that's better.

Well that proves it for me.
tgotton man finds the magnitude of the current flowing in a path depends on the path's voltage and impedance.
Therefore, he wears a leather jacket to conceal the indiscretions of immorality.
INSTRUCTIONS
No more posting on this subject, or I will have to call the issues into the arena of truth.
Point taken?

Atpost wrote:

M27-W wrote: Why doesn't NA start with Connelly and see if we can get a couple of early goals and then replace him instead of relying on an out of form RL and Guly when we're short. It could be worth a go and we might be able to do what everyone else seems to do with Saints. Get an early goal and draw the other team out so we can hit them on the break with Oxo and Lalla etc. Oh I nearly forgot to act tough...SH*T. Aah that's better.

Well that proves it for me. tgotton man finds the magnitude of the current flowing in a path depends on the path's voltage and impedance. Therefore, he wears a leather jacket to conceal the indiscretions of immorality. INSTRUCTIONS No more posting on this subject, or I will have to call the issues into the arena of truth. Point taken?

yawn

Wired up or what......zzzzzzzzzz

Ar*e!

Atpost wrote:

M27-W wrote:
Why doesn't NA start with Connelly and see if we can get a couple of early goals and then replace him instead of relying on an out of form RL and Guly when we're short. It could be worth a go and we might be able to do what everyone else seems to do with Saints. Get an early goal and draw the other team out so we can hit them on the break with Oxo and Lalla etc. Oh I nearly forgot to act tough...SH*T. Aah that's better.

Well that proves it for me.
tgotton man finds the magnitude of the current flowing in a path depends on the path's voltage and impedance.
Therefore, he wears a leather jacket to conceal the indiscretions of immorality.
INSTRUCTIONS
No more posting on this subject, or I will have to call the issues into the arena of truth.
Point taken?

And I think I talk b%ll%cks?

I only speak English so am having trouble with some posts on here...on 2nd thoughts I don't want to understand some of them.

Good post "keegans perm". I get the feeling that everyone on here is more than worried, and we have every right to be.
I remember a game against Brentford in the mid-fifties at the Dell one lovely summery evening - it cost 2 shillings to get into the East stand! - when we lost 0-6, but we all went home happy because Saints fought tooth and nail for 90 minutes. It's the apparent lack of fight now which is so upsetting. My 450 mile drive home is through a vale of tears.

Atpost wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Atpost wrote: What will happen in April when the club goes bust? Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games? And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

Sorry which team/club are you talking about?

the st Mary's Fairies of course The mafia money is on the move already. Announcement of withdrawal is scheduled for easter friday

Why do you say that?

Atpost wrote:

M27-W wrote: Why doesn't NA start with Connelly and see if we can get a couple of early goals and then replace him instead of relying on an out of form RL and Guly when we're short. It could be worth a go and we might be able to do what everyone else seems to do with Saints. Get an early goal and draw the other team out so we can hit them on the break with Oxo and Lalla etc. Oh I nearly forgot to act tough...SH*T. Aah that's better.

Well that proves it for me. tgotton man finds the magnitude of the current flowing in a path depends on the path's voltage and impedance. Therefore, he wears a leather jacket to conceal the indiscretions of immorality. INSTRUCTIONS No more posting on this subject, or I will have to call the issues into the arena of truth. Point taken?

What makes you say that?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Atpost wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Atpost wrote: What will happen in April when the club goes bust? Will the league allow us to continue, or is it sunday morning pub games? And if it is - will we beat the Anchor Garglers from totton?

Sorry which team/club are you talking about?

the st Mary's Fairies of course The mafia money is on the move already. Announcement of withdrawal is scheduled for easter friday

Why do you say that?

Ignore. SW is mind-half...just about sums it up

Supporters of Southampton who knew something really worrying would give us the information and facts to back them up. Similarly, if our enemies knew something bad they would rush on here and give us facts and figures and enjoy telling us. Anyone who hints and talks a load of codswallop is a WUM who really needs to get a life.

franiow wrote:
Supporters of Southampton who knew something really worrying would give us the information and facts to back them up. Similarly, if our enemies knew something bad they would rush on here and give us facts and figures and enjoy telling us. Anyone who hints and talks a load of codswallop is a WUM who really needs to get a life.

Or do us all a favour and hold their breath for at least 30 minutes.

below par my foot, just was not good enough,last season they were fear, this season lambs, going up no no.

~~EASTER FRIDAY~~

I bet you!

Atpost wrote:
~~EASTER FRIDAY~~

I bet you!

What?

Well if Bart's not the answer then we need to sign a new keeper unless we wont get promoted SIMPLE AS THAT Nigel!
Super Kelv as we know him is a great shot stopper but unfortunately it ends there and its high time it was sorted as we need someone to organise the defence and claim crosses as well as shot stop!
Nige was a keeper so hopefully he will see this and make it a priority?